Which therapist is making your OCD worse?
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Which therapist is providing the correct treatment for OCD? ➡ Blue Shirt or Black Shirt
Black Shirt Nathan
I would have said the black shirt until the comment on not discussing core fears. I've read a few really helpful ocd workbooks that suggest there is great value in understanding where our fears come from and it really helped me personally to recover. It seems like it's a little unfashionable in the therapy world to even look at this now though even though it was a game-changer for me and a lot of other fellow sufferers.
Black
Honestly the thing about black shirt is that I feel like he is one of the hundreds of people who dismissed me and is partially why I have no skills or talents and can't handle the workforce. Like no one has ever tried to mentor me and honestly if I'm going to my therapist saying I think I have no skills and they say "don't think about it or worry about it" that's cool but I would ask how this will help me because again, this seems to already be the cycle for me "don't worry about it" has destroyed my own life tbb
@@Bob-fj7lr try to go for some books the self help ones, refer to yt maybe therr are many others like Nathan out there...just know everything will be okay and you will make it okay💜 u will make it happen
Black shirt is the correct way to go about it, as I have happily learned from you 🙏
Sir yes sir
Guess I was right
This is why it's SO essential to get someone that specializes in OCD.
I used to have a therapist who thinks I have anxiety not OCD. He made everything worse
Actually both have good intentions and want to help but the second one is the way to go.
Yes! You got it!
Bless my last therapist's heart... she reassured me twice a week in session and hundreds more times via text for the last year and a half... no wonder im not better yet 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's what we're taught to do in school. It just doesn't apply to OCD 😉
@@ocdandanxiety that makes sense! She is a wonderful therapist, if i didn't have ocd i would still be seeing her for sure and I'd probably be much better already!
My therapist did the same thing. Now I'm starting to wonder if that's why I started feeling alittle better after I stopped seeing her. 😅
What's weird is that she mentioned erp therapy a couple times. But she was a very nice therapist overall.
Nathan what’s your take on inference based therapy and mega cognitive, effectively showing that thoughts don’t just lead to actions etc.
I definitely think that it requires more than just thoughts are thoughts etc, especially with certain themes, understanding thought action fusion, faulty beliefs etc
@@matthewdavy293 my therapist also talked to me about ICBT and im wondering
Can you do icbt and erp at the same time? Idk how it works but I really want to take my life back
After struggling with religious OCD for 2 and a half years, I’m ready to try the method you share : welcoming the thought with a smile on my face and making my anxiety decrease. It’s scary but to go through but I think it’s necessary to take the leap of faith
Did it work?
So interesting because this is very accurate. My last therapist made it worse and I knew it but felt that it was wrong for me to think that because she was a professional. At the end of the day, she's a great therapist, definitely recommend her for certain things. She just wasn't a specialist in OCD. When I discovered this channel and took the course my OCD became so much more manageable. And now, I genuinely don't care about my OCD anymore. It's there but who cares. It comes. It goes. I move. Life is good.
Thanks for sharing! You’re so awesome!
Aw! That's great! Sounds like you know you're stuff and that you've come a long way!!! (just trying to give compliments and not trying to give reassurance here😉)
Blue shirt is, trying to figure out why is the WORST WAY to handle negative thoughts if you stew to long or hide from them your only going to make the intrusive thoughts worse... I know how my anxiety spikes when I think that my thoughts are not me and not welcome... but then I got talking to someone and I learned my nasty thoughts are something everyone has and just because I have them doesn’t mean that I’m going to Persue them... it’s ok to be scared of your thoughts... what’s not ok is to hide or push them away there like fearful aggressive dogs (I’m a dog trainer) if you are scared of what they can do then you give them power over you... you need to tell your thoughts “you don’t bother me” and eventually your thoughts will just be that... thoughts ... blue has good intentions but he’s missing the key detail... he’s making you think there is something wrong with you... but in truth there isn’t any sane person in the world there is no “right way” to be a person so therefore there is no wrong way either
The one in blue! Though their intentions may be from a good place, there's so much available reassurance going on. In addition, you can't think your way out of OCD and OCD likes when you try!
Perfect!
The blue polo one is totally sus. 😄 Well done Nate, your creativity is great!
Sus! haha
actually it’s all of them. as someone with ocd i personally know talk therapy gives a huge temporary relief. talk therapy isn’t actually the best way to go about ocd at all.
Yep Erp
The blue shirt is almost exactly like my last therapist 😂but she was genuinely trying to help
Scared to death to finally go to therapy and getting a bad therapist
I hope that you can find a therapist who is right for you!
Def read their reviews
Thats a big part of it
If they say how do you feel and why do you think you feel that way?!? I personally would immediately get up and walk out. That’s a therapist I don’t want.
I have OCD and i "enjoy" it. It has been around 9 years with OCD that i just accepted it as part of myself, i don't care anymore about what people say anymore. It's me, if i can't let them go away join them.
Same here. I have OCD since 12 years.
From someone who has gone through treatment for OCD, the black shirt is the correct therapist!!
This is why I go to cognitive behaviour therapy as someone with OCD and ADHD. The blue shirt would not help me, it would make it worse. That ”smile on your face” is such a great tip, I often like to pretend my intrusive thoughts are annoying teenagers trying to taunt me and that makes me laugh and not take them seriously.
Thank you the video. I think it really highlights how different therapists can be and how that makes real impacts on peoples lives.
Omg thank you. I’m having a lot of trouble lately. My therapist keeps looking for deeper meanings to all my problems. I trusted her and started trying to dig deeper and my ocd spiralled. I feel bad leaving her but I don’t think it’s useful and even worse I think might have caused more harm than good.
Its not their issue its yours to handle trust yourself
@@keeno1839thanks I needed to hear that myself today!
My therapist pushed me to divorce my husband and not only retired and left me hanging, going through a divorce on my own but I feel like she made me feel like he was a bad person and abusive and he truly wasn’t. I mean everyone has their own quirks, but he wasn’t beating me. So there’s that.
You are awesome at what you are doing. You are helping tons of folks out there who are struggling with OCD & Anxiety. I was one of them and following you since long time. You made my life easy & joyful again, i hope you will continue helping folks with these issues..! ❤️ #Respect
I don’t agree with most of what the blue shirt said, but I don’t think it’s totally correct that figuring out the reasons for the thoughts is useless or unhelpful.
black shirt, exactly what my therapist does! it has helped tremendously
Blue shirt is the traditional therapist not trained in OCD treatment. Digging into the past and why we have these thoughts makes us obsess more about them and sends us down a road that my be impossible for some to recover from.
Wait a minute! trick question! both therapists are Nate!
You caught me! 😉
I get where this is going, however it is a very crucial mistake to underestimate the role of trauma in OCD.
I had really terrible symptoms from complex BPD as I had a range of symptoms stemming from depression, anxiety, substance abuse disorder, and depersonalization. It helped reduce my explosive behaviors in the short-term, but all the back and forth about my story from then on made my OCD worse.
Just recently quit doing DBT for that same reason.
I feel this !! My therapist is trying to identify where these thoughts are coming from and use evidence to show me why they aren’t real and I’m like sir I’ve always done that and it never helps !!! I just need to let the thoughts be and not engage them !!
Just hearing the right one started to make me feel better 😅.
It is nice to talk about family stuff though. Because other stresses make it worse.
This is SO good!
Thanks Natasha! 💜
Natasha!!! Hi I'm in your therapy group for teens your awesome 😀😀
@@amaliaamalia6974 thanks 😊
I swear as soon as this started I immediately said to myself “oh my good that blue guy”
I don't think the second one is that bad. While knowing the cause of your thoughts is likely not going to help in treating the OCD, I think there *is* value in it from a trauma perspective.
Exactly, it is huge value from trauma perspective
It was definitely the first one. I didn’t think I was going to get it that easily but it was definitely the first one.
all the therapists i’ve had have been the blue shirt! and i just got diagnosed ! so gonna send this to my current school one so she hopefully can help me more😊
Blue shirt is the culprit 😂😟
I'm not sure if either are functional. Black shirt might be better but if my goal was to also improve my self esteem, I'd keep looking
i get this. i have ocd where im obsessed with organizing things to the point where i spend hours simply putting away laundry because im very specific about it. people always tell me “you just like to be organized” or “thats not ocd” and it is just like hoarding things is. there a many types if ocd and its not all the same
my therapist has no idea what to do with OCD, I can't even get diagnosed. When I'm having obsessive thoughts she wants me to listen to guided meditation. I meditate on my own for creativity, but I always thought meditating your anxiety away is just a temporary distraction.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ❤️❤️❤️
I remember after years of ruminating and trying to figure out the why and what specifically caused me to be so anxiety ridden, I came to the conclusion that it didn't matter. It wasn't helping me heal and was only keeping me stuck in a place obsessing over the negatives rather than realizing how much I've overcome and how much I have to look forward to. I've had a strange sense of peace since then, and while I still struggle with anxiety and OCD, it doesn't have the same choke hold over my life that it did in the past. I think this is something everone will learn at their own pace in their own time, it won't happen overnight.
trying to ‘’push the thoughts away’’ is a really bad way to handle it. If you tell yourself to stop thinking about it you’re just gonna think about it more, so the more you follow that advice, the more your compulsions and delusions develop.
But what if I do want to talk about where it came from and how to deal with it at the same time?
So actually bringing up my past, my counselor asked me one question that has had me spiraling for 5 years. I’ve done ERP for it but it keeps coming up. I literally attack it daily with maybe maybe not and who cares etc etc. and it’s still there.
I know I need a new therapist, but I'm 4 years deep and I don't have the heart to tell her I want to find a new tgerapist
you have to do what’s right for you. if you don’t feel your current one is helping, then it is best to leave it at that! all your therapist wants is to help you - so if they can’t provide that; they will support your decision to move to someone new. don’t worry!
I was doing very well for like 6 years in row, I had a little relapsed and decided to go to therapy, bad luck the new therapist is the one on blue shirt.
Blue shirt might have a point on seeing where these thoughts originated from. Black shirt is right on everything else.
I remember my therapist tried giving me pointers on dealing with addiction when I told him I was having “dark thoughts”. Things avoidance behavior techniques and replacing bad thoughts with good thoughts. It made me much worse off and triggered over a year of dark intrusive thoughts. Thankfully I was able to learn about OCD, intrusive thoughts, and start some ERP treatment recently.
Last one, done self therapy and learned to accept bad and good thoughts with a smile
The first one idk what it is but I hate talking about family and how amazing I am like no
My therapist is like the blue shirt and she never helped my ocd in anyway
trick question: therapist 2 is making my OCD scream at the tops of it's lungs and making it worse, while therapist one is calming the anxious voice. but it's okay if therapist 2 makes my OCD worse. I LOVE being a bad person and all of these things anyway. It's great! thank you for the video!
Great thoughts! I like the way you think!
My thoughts were from hypothyroidism so the cause was pretty important.
Literally the blue shirt is my worst nightmare lol
The blue shirt person is driving making the patient feel uneasy and wanting to scream.
THE BLUE ONEEEE!
My first therapist was a blue shirt therapist. They made my situation so much worse, that it's activelly hindering my recovery process with my new therapist, which is a black shirt therapist.
Blue one badd
My first therapist was literally the blue shirt guy in this video. Which is why I changed therapists 😉
I'm seeing a therapist and I'm lost....I might need a new therapist bcuz she bringing up other ppl Idk in our session and made their mind up that I'm them
Thank you Nathan! ❤ Your videos are really helpful! I have extreme anxiety at the moment and I don't know what to do anymore 😖 Nothing seems to help right now. The war in Ukraine is making my OCD symptoms extreme 😫
I am so glad I can help you! Hang in there.
@@ocdandanxiety Thank you Nathan! Everything feels so unreal... First the pandemic and then a war in Europe. When will this all come to an end...
“Make sure we push them away”😂😂
Outstanding!
Thank you kindly!
Blue shirt not an ERP therapist. Not helpful.
I think my therapist is a mixture of the pair of them
mine cuts me off in mid-sentence: "Nope. We're not gonna discuss it..." whenever I bring up the possibility of having OCD. Or autism. Or any other possible explanation for my behavior besides "You just want to put yourself down...."
The sad thing is most therapists that I’ve had, and I’m talking many, state that they are OCD focused/specialise in OCD but then do they exact things the therapist in the blue shirt does.
It’s really frustrating and tiresome, and I’m wasting so much money and not getting better at all :/ I have yet to find a good OCD therapist but have no idea where to start as the places I’ve been recommended thus far have been so deflating
I went to a therapist who knew I had OCD and literally said I must say stop to the negative thoughts and replace them with positive thoughts, it was a disaster 😂🥲
Black shirt is the good one, you should not fight with your thoughts, anxiety goes up if you do and you have more of them. If you prove you just don't care they go
This was tough cause I liked both and disliked both. But you got a follow from me so I can learn.
Blue shirt is incorrect!
You got it!
Ugh my former counselor didn’t recognize that I had ocd and I didn’t know it either and dug into my past then asked me a question that sent me into an ocd spiral for over 4 years and I am still recovering and plowing through certain aspects of it. In some ways it was beneficial and in other ways harmful.
My old therapist was the only one that could help me out of all of them and then she had to leave and I couldn’t get myself to get a new one because she was the only one that could help me
Would it be okay to explore the beliefs behind the obsessions as a way to challenge and change irrational beliefs? Would this be work of cbt in addition to erp?
Blue shirt! In OCD treatment you should NEVER be reassured or anything along those lines!
The one who says push your bad thoughts away
I saw so many videos on this channel that my immediate reaction to blue shirt therapist was a horrified "evil! evil!!!" as if he were a disney villain haha
I can’t even get a therapist right now. They’re too expensive. I’d take any therapist over handling alone and being a burden
I think it's the blue one that's making it worse because it's giving reassurance to your ocd thanks for making great videos do you have ocd?
it took me so much effort and courage to go to a therapist only to end up with the one that sounds like the blue shirt one
i freaking paid 60 euros for it...
All of them
I think black shirt for the same reason as everyone else but it also blues collar and shirt aren’t centered
My therapist was a university student and trainee and made my OCD so much worse to the point that I might have to drop out of university.
Black shirt for sure
Mine said to stay with thoughts without so any compulsions after asking me about my past, he wants to know better about me.
the one before last.
Searching symptoms
My therapist said to me that our goal is not to get rid of my compulsions even though they bother me every moment of the day (even when doing basic things like showering, eating and going to bed) and instead she said that our goal is that I’ll do the compulsions with less anxiety😅 idk if I should stay or find a new one
My therapist is like the blue shirt one... So I guess I've wasted a lot of money for nothing
Therapists job isn't solely to solve OCD though. I had a therapist like the first one and my OCD was fine for years. It got worse when I had to drop her because her caseload was so high.
The blue shirt one
The "let's look at your backround" and even asking "Well where and why do you think these thoughts are coming from"... UMM... HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW?! :''' D, is so familiar for me :'D...
Can help me cure my anxiety and emetophobia please. It changed my life and changes where I go and where I fell comfortable
To be honest, you make my ocd worse😢
How did it become worse? (If you don’t mind me asking)
I really would prefer a therapist that doesn't sugar coat everything One that is direct would help me. Because I need someone to tell it like it is. If I have someone that is patronizing patronizing i'm not motivated and I can't face reality
BLUE SHIRT!!!
They both have great intentions but the black shirt is more help than the other.
Mine was like first one😢
Mr. Black Shirt is right!
What kind of therapist is therapist B trained in? Lol
They all do this smh 🤦🏻♂️ sadly
I have pretty bad ocd, and I feel like black shirt may have had ocd and got over it somehow, where as blue shirt kinda understands ocd but then again is kinda being stereotypical..
I'm so confused. Lol🤨
The last one