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  • @And-rc9yy
    @And-rc9yy Před 28 dny +274

    SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE THE STAGE RESULTS AT THE END

  • @tommyrq180
    @tommyrq180 Před 28 dny +57

    I love rewatching sprint finish video to isolate on various riders. You really learn about how to teach sprint tactics. In my younger days I was a lead out man for a team in SoCal who did battle with teams like 7-Eleven, so I have my scars and stories! In this case, it’s easy to isolate Milan-he’s huge and wears the Ciclamino. He does a great job to navigate to the front solo (he chooses the rail) but better to watch earlier how he LOST his lead out. But isolate Merlier and you’ll see some extraordinary work-he has a white helmet with black stripe down the middle. He pushes a HUGE gear in the finale and stays sheltered until he makes his move up his right, just nipping a closing Milan. Timing is everything, but navigating the final kilometer and the last straight is so hectic and filled with power, speed, and drama for each rider. Pick ANY rider in the top five and isolate on him. Crazy way to make a living! Hat’s off to those guys. 😅

    • @smithzk
      @smithzk Před 28 dny +2

      Nice breakdown. Merlier had great timing.

    • @murzyn_official
      @murzyn_official Před 28 dny +1

      How do you feel about Aniolkowski’s work this Giro, he never has a leadout but always manages to find himself in a good position with 4 top 10 finishes, someone to watch in future races?

    • @lloydhlavac6807
      @lloydhlavac6807 Před 28 dny +3

      I especially like seeing the helicopter view of the sprint from above. It makes it so much easier to see who is where, and how it all unfolds. Yes, Milan drifted back after that left-hander, then was a bit boxed in until after the final right turn. The fact he still ended up in a very close 2nd place goes to show how strong he is.

    • @tommyrq180
      @tommyrq180 Před 28 dny +2

      @@lloydhlavac6807 In my experience, the absolute master of navigating those final kilos was Peter Sagan. Watch some of those helicopter views and see how an absolute magician does his thing. Especially the 2017 World Championship road race in Norway. How he stayed with that bunch in the final very difficult kilometers and prevailed to win was to me, something special. Again, isolating just on him provides a unique perspective. Just my two cents. 😉

    • @tommyrq180
      @tommyrq180 Před 28 dny

      @@murzyn_official Very perceptive! I commented on his performance when he took second recently on stage 13, listing it as a masterful job of solo navigation through sprint mayhem. And Stanislaw’s not a big guy, I think he goes 150 pounds (68 kilos) and just under 6’ (1.81m). Today he ended up 5th in that very, very fast, chaotic sprint with, best I can tell, very little Cofidis help. He scored UCI points in 5 stages already. I’ll take another look at his navigation of the final surge and see how he did it. Thanks for the vector!

  • @a.campos891
    @a.campos891 Před 28 dny +16

    Could you include a photofinish please?

  • @tonypapas9854
    @tonypapas9854 Před 28 dny +39

    Milan is a BEAST! After a poorly-coordinated lead out and getting squeezed back, he was thatclose to a win.

    • @louiehan4309
      @louiehan4309 Před 28 dny +2

      Nah it was his lack of experience. He will gain from it.

    • @thierrynolevaux9268
      @thierrynolevaux9268 Před 28 dny +1

      Correct...more experience required to keep up with the belgians. 👏🇧🇪🍻

    • @jamesbondisamonkey
      @jamesbondisamonkey Před 28 dny +1

      ya he was by far the fastest rider there...positioning is not always easy

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

      Merlier was my main pick for ths Giro. I expect another win from him in Rome as well. WATCH!!!
      Everyone has counted Merlier out. They have been talking Milan this and Milan that and yes Milan has done well. Hes been fast BUT Merlier is a better sprinter. You need more than JUST speed to be a great sprinter. Milan is known for picking the wrong position and he finds himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what it takes to be a great sprinter. Speed isn't everything in thw sprints!!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      Damn!! Look at that! My prediction was correct down to the very last detail. If anyone wants help with predictions don't be afraid to ask😉
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @timnicodemus8651
    @timnicodemus8651 Před 28 dny +3

    That commentary is incredible! Wow!

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973 Před 28 dny +4

    Rarely have I been more curious to see a photo finish replay 🤦‍♂️

  • @Real_Shawn
    @Real_Shawn Před 28 dny +1

    Wow! What a close finish !!!

  • @cesarortegaescamilla1782
    @cesarortegaescamilla1782 Před 28 dny +7

    People complain about "boredom" due to the superiority of Pogačar. It is not his fault that the other teams have other figures who have planned to take care of them so that they participate in the Tour. I prefer the spectacle of the Slovenian to the Sleepy Giros of Roglič-Geraint, Hindley-Carapaz and Bernal-Caruso where the spectacular route overwhelmed the cyclists. The best has always been the hobby and the landscapes. That is undebatable.
    In the 1914 Giro, Alfonso Calzolari surpassed Pierino, both Italians, by 1h 57'26", we are not going to ask that of Pogačar because the sport has become professional. But he has two stages left to surpass Ivan Basso's record in this century ( CSC) of 2006 when he surpassed the Spanish José Henrique Gutiérrez (Phonak) by 9'18" and Gilberto Simoni (2 Giros and a stage in the Tour and Vuelta) with 11'59".
    If we think that this does not happen in the Tour de France, last year we saw how Vingegaard surpassed Pogačar by 7'29" and Adam Yates by 10'56". Becoming the second largest difference of the century. Only surpassed by Vincenzo Nibali's triumph in 2014 where he surpassed Jean Christophe Péraud by 7'37" and Thibaut Pinot by 8'15".
    Many quickly forget that the Tour had 4 stages left over when the Dane finished it off. And in the 2023 Vuelta a España itself at Angliru, thanks to social networks, the press and fans who have never seen cycling, they put an end to the competition when, through a statement from Visma, they gave the victory to Sepp Kuss. Again 4 stages that were left over.
    To enjoy the superiority, the landscapes and the fans...there is no other choice. Cycling lovers there will continue to watch the sprint stages, see if the breakaways arrive or with the hope that something epic will happen like the 2018 Giro where Froome, Domoulin, Pinot (abandoned in the last stage due to a knee injury), Miguel Ángel López and Simón Yates gave us a great show. Also those of Nibali-Chávez or Nairo-Urán that are fresh in memory. Nor are the few differences synonymous with spectacle, the 2023 Giro where Roglič defeated Geraint by 14" is the eighth smallest difference in the history of the GV and no one remembers it as epic. I remember the Slovenian fans as the best of the time trial final climb. The smallest difference in the Giro has been between Florenzo Magni and Ezio Cecchi in 1948 with 11". Many mention the 1989 Tour where Greg LeMond defeated Fignon by 8". But GV's record is in the 1984 Vuelta a España where Èric Caritoux beat the Spaniard Alberto Fernández by 6"

    • @crazeemunkee
      @crazeemunkee Před 28 dny +2

      I did not read your comment. Due to the opening sentence and it's length I assumed it would be a waste of my time. Have a nice day.

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 Před 28 dny

      @@crazeemunkee ... its* length (it's = it is). Otherwise completely agreed.

  • @James-J-J-J
    @James-J-J-J Před 28 dny +1

    Wow. Some finish that.

  • @tomfirmin3132
    @tomfirmin3132 Před 28 dny +4

    Not allowing Lanterne Rouge access to the footage is one thing, but why serve up trash for highlights instead?
    At least the bike racing is good

    • @cvn6555
      @cvn6555 Před 28 dny +1

      Yes. LR should be hired by the race promoters to be the official voice for recaps. Wayyyy better.

  • @davidgonzalezpuebla5388
    @davidgonzalezpuebla5388 Před 28 dny +2

    Go go go!

  • @ohnezuckerohnefett
    @ohnezuckerohnefett Před 28 dny +13

    WHO THE FOCK came up with these barriers in the end? They are banned for racing, let alone a Grand Tour.

    • @thierrynolevaux9268
      @thierrynolevaux9268 Před 28 dny +2

      It's Italy...wat do u expect?

    • @lucadotto8073
      @lucadotto8073 Před 28 dny +1

      In the last 400m the barriers were pretty much safe, that’s not the case for the rest of the run in

    • @brunospasta
      @brunospasta Před 28 dny

      Looking to me like the standard barriers. What you on about?

    • @ohnezuckerohnefett
      @ohnezuckerohnefett Před 28 dny

      @@brunospasta see above, last km with the feet sticking out.

    • @BlazPerus
      @BlazPerus Před 28 dny +1

      haha UCI is a joke part 925

  • @andyz3925
    @andyz3925 Před 28 dny +2

    Where's our guy!? 4 or 5 back? Nope, more like 20 wheels back!

  • @jeronerGaming
    @jeronerGaming Před 28 dny +4

    What.. who cut this too short??

  • @user-xy6pe5pd8z
    @user-xy6pe5pd8z Před 27 dny

    Nice of Lidl Trek to lead the bunch out.

  • @SRPien
    @SRPien Před 28 dny

    Brilliant commentator!

  • @kennykaniff
    @kennykaniff Před 27 dny +1

    Merlier was my main pick for ths Giro. I expect another win from him in Rome as well. WATCH!!!
    Everyone has counted Merlier out. They have been talking Milan this and Milan that and yes Milan has done well. Hes been fast BUT Merlier is a better sprinter. You need more than JUST speed to be a great sprinter. Milan is known for picking the wrong position and he finds himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what it takes to be a great sprinter. Speed isn't everything in thw sprints!!!
    🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      And look who won in Rome!! I should be playing the predictions game with the commentators. The only person that picked Merlier I think was Dan and he only picked him cos he didn't have first pick. All the other commentators in the international commentators picks ALL picked Milan. If you guys want any help with the predictions for the TDF don't be afraid to ask😉
      My other prediction is that Pogi is on "the program". Either doping or motor doping and don't say motor doping is absurd!! There are some interesting things being learned about the reality of motor doping in the pro peloton. How long till we find out??? I doubt the testing will ever catch him to be honest!!! They've got the testing system beat that's for sure!! But there's no way what Pogi is doing is because of better nutrition, improved science, new technology and expensive fabric😂
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @LeonardoFinkler-br5cm
    @LeonardoFinkler-br5cm Před 28 dny +1

    My oh my

  • @qrounding5147
    @qrounding5147 Před 28 dny

    This Milan was lost in the forest till he gets the fire to pull the whole dam thing in pieces,.... what is het having a spirit to win😆💫💙💙💯🙏

  • @docicafe9273
    @docicafe9273 Před 28 dny

    Milan.... mago! Genio, forticimo fisica y mentalmente.

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny +2

      Milan didn't even win😂 and he is definitely NOT a "genius"😂. He's known for picking the wrong position and he finds himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's why Merlier is a better sprinter. You need more than JUST speed to be a great sprinter
      Merlier will win in Rome also. WATCH!!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      Look at that! Merlier won in Rome and was caught out in the wind just like I said. Milan is DEFINITELY NOT A "GENIUS"😂 He's got A LOT to learn!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @user-rj4kh7dm4u
    @user-rj4kh7dm4u Před 28 dny

    Dainese wow...thats a big gear😅⚡

  • @skoromoh_
    @skoromoh_ Před 28 dny +1

    Congratulations 🎈 Tim🎉
    .
    So strong and smart tactic
    .
    23524

  • @gideonmthembu8693
    @gideonmthembu8693 Před 28 dny +3

    Wow, Merlier from no team lead out except for wheeling other people...smart sprinting. Poor Caleb missed it again.

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny +1

      Absolutely!!! Merlier was my pick for this Giro and everyone counted him out. Yes Milan is fast but Merlier is a better tactician. Milan finds himself out in the wind way too often and has a habit of picking the wrong position time after time. You need more than JUST speed to be a GREAT sprinter and Milan just counts on his size to produce massive watts but that won't make him GREAT. Merlier will win on Rome as well. WATCH!!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

      You're actually the ONLY person that has pointed out what I keep saying in my comment above. Everyone is saying Milan this and Milan that and they've counted Merlier out but Merlier is a tactician and that's why he's a GREAT sprinter. Better than Milan BECAUSE of his technical approach to the sprints. Milan is going to have to learn. Milan just counts on his size and ability to put out massive watts. That's just not enough if you want to one of the GREATS!!! I won't say that he's not fast tho. The watts he can pump out is remarkable but as far as a tactician, he's not got much of a technical approach to the sprints
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @jubeman
    @jubeman Před 28 dny

    Great highlights, just need a few slomos of the finish. Lazy stuff video editor

  • @tysonkampbjj
    @tysonkampbjj Před 28 dny

    52-58 kph for the last 5 km, my legs hurt thinking about it.

  • @kennykaniff
    @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

    And look who won in Rome!! I should be playing the predictions game with the commentators. The only person that picked Merlier I think was Dan and he only picked him cos he didn't have first pick. All the other commentators in the international commentators picks ALL picked Milan. If you guys want any help with the predictions for the TDF don't be afraid to ask😉
    My other prediction is that Pogi is on "the program". Either doping or motor doping and don't say motor doping is absurd!! There are some interesting things being learned about the reality of motor doping in the pro peloton. How long till we find out??? I doubt the testing will ever catch him to be honest!!! They've got the testing system beat that's for sure!! But there's no way what Pogi is doing is because of better nutrition, improved science, new technology and expensive fabric😂
    🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @ptbot3294
    @ptbot3294 Před 27 dny

    I wonder how does Melier know he won? I doubt hes looking across while throwing his bike. Its so close too. Does the team get immediate notification and radio melier?

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      As a sprinter you just know!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @milododd
    @milododd Před 28 dny

    What a brilliant finish! You can see Milan lose touch with his lead out at around 4:45. Maybe he didn't want to spend the energy to push up, but well played to the other teams edging him out of that sprint. He would have had it tied up otherwise! ❤ the Giro!

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

      Milan is known for picking the wrong position and finding himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what makes him a GREAT sprinter. It takes more than JUST speed to be a GREAT sprinter
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @winstonprimo5736
    @winstonprimo5736 Před 28 dny +16

    Spoiler blocker! 😊

  • @melaniamonicacraciun9900

    Very exciting race😮😮😮 let's remind that another water bomb was just behind the riders😮😮😮 yesterday few miles nearby, there were heavy rains and ice storms...today the nasty clouds were on mountain peaks. .. lucky riders, this time. Pogacar with no competitor is not much fun...he had to slow down and give a reason the other riders try to compete😢😢😢well, who knows, maybe tomorrow.. another day

  • @Hubertus-ko6yl
    @Hubertus-ko6yl Před 28 dny

    bad luck Milan wasn't behind the two trek runner-ups

  • @bernardo9202
    @bernardo9202 Před 28 dny

    I forgot Merlier was at the giro tbh

  • @tonilauge5786
    @tonilauge5786 Před 28 dny

    Milan sleeping VC away 🙄crickey
    Stuyen not happy this evening!

  • @fortesfortunajuvat6782
    @fortesfortunajuvat6782 Před 28 dny +1

    What is with the looking around when you're in the lead? Doing so slows you down and does nothing to help you win.

    • @decascador
      @decascador Před 27 dny +1

      Those are not the main sprinters, but their team mates, who are already exhausted from pulling. Looks very weird, but they would not stand a chance to win even if they were currently leading. But, granted, that was quite a funny and messy finish.

  • @davidvonslingshot
    @davidvonslingshot Před 28 dny

    jezus h, you guys keep willing Ewan to win. he’s yesterdays news. DRINK

  • @SignatureServices-uz2df

    No overhead replay, no results??????

  • @kennykaniff
    @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

    FINALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT POGI TODAY!!!! THANK GOD!!!
    MERLIER WILL WIN IN ROME AS WELL. WATCH!!!
    🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      And my prediction came true!! Damn I'm good!!
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @cesarortegaescamilla1782
    @cesarortegaescamilla1782 Před 28 dny +1

    What a revelation I just had with Tim Merlier's statements. I naively thought that if in a sprint stage a runner jumped ahead it was to surprise the sprinters or make other teams go to the expense of chasing and this had been discussed but when not even the Belgian understands what Alaphilippe wanted to do, I discover that not even good communication between teammates exist.

    • @NicolaDiMarco
      @NicolaDiMarco Před 28 dny

      Wtf can you stop commenting the same lame thing in every video?

  • @javi_park
    @javi_park Před 28 dny

    please post the winners! wtf

  • @emf6621
    @emf6621 Před 28 dny +1

    POGACAR WINS ANOTHER STAGE, NOW THE WORLD'S #1 SPRINTER

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      Not sure if you watched the stage but Pogi was nowhere to be seen on this stage BUT he is the world's greatest doper😂
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @thisishowthetruthdies684
    @thisishowthetruthdies684 Před 28 dny +1

    Merlier may have won but we all know who the fastest man is at this Giro.

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

      Milan is known for picking the wrong position and finding himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what makes him a GREAT sprinter. It takes more than JUST speed to be a GREAT sprinter. Maybe Milan will learn this one day
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @Joshua-dx7zn
    @Joshua-dx7zn Před 28 dny

    Just imagine if Milan had a better placement in that last 1k. He was so far back and shot up to the front and almost took the race.

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny +1

      Milan is known for picking the wrong position and finding himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what makes him a GREAT sprinter. It takes more than JUST speed to be a GREAT sprinter. Maybe Milan will start to learn
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @soulripper31
      @soulripper31 Před 21 dnem +1

      Milan literally started his sprint right next to Merlier lol. Watch from above and you'll see.

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny +1

      @@soulripper31 💯 absolutely correct!! Merlier was my main pick for this Giro. Everyone was and is saying "Milan is a better sprinter than Merlier" but that's just not true if you ask me. First of all Merlier has more wins than ANY OTHER RIDER so far this season (Pogi actually is tied with him now). Secondly, Merlier won 3 sprints and Milan won 3 sprints so how can you even say Milan was the better sprinter at this Giro? Only because he won the points classification is why everyone seems to think Milan is better but that's a bit ridiculous to me. Take the points out of the equation and they both won the same amount of stages. Milan MAY be faster (right now) but he's not better. He is tactically deficient!! He relies on his ability to put out these massive numbers in a sprint but doesn't have the skills needed to be a tactician which is what makes a GREAT sprinter! It takes more than just speed to be GREAT. So at the end of the day it's just crazy to say Milan is the better sprinter. On paper Merlier has more wins this season and if you look just at this Giro they both have same amount of wins so I don't understand people's logic. They can't be logical about it and most are just biased cos Milan is their favourite sprinter. I also have a favourite sprinter (not Merlier) but I have the common sense to admit that he just doesn't have what it takes anymore unfortunately
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @user-ln2pq4ey6v
    @user-ln2pq4ey6v Před 28 dny

    spoiler blocker

  • @Higgo64
    @Higgo64 Před 28 dny +2

    I hate Robbie McEwen's as a commentator, wish he would just give it away, would make watching cycling so much better if he did. They sacked him in Australia why the hell did Eurosport bring him in???????

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny +1

      I don't disagree with you but what's worse is when you watch the pre show "THE BREAKAWAY" he has this weird look on his face when he is done talking. He has his mouth open and shows his front teeth then looks at the others like a little cheeky chipmunk looking for something to eat😂😂 If you've not seen that you'll see it now that I've said that😂😂
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @el_carbonara
      @el_carbonara Před 26 dny

      I like him, any reason you don't?

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      ​​@@el_carbonara for me personally I just don't like the way he looks😂 did you read my other comment above??
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @el_carbonara
      @el_carbonara Před 20 dny

      @@kennykaniff the comment wasn't there when I wrote it

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      @@el_carbonara that's quite strange cos you can clearly see it was there a day before you left yours. I left it 7 days ago and you left your comment 6 days ago
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @rickiovine2170
    @rickiovine2170 Před 27 dny

    I find these commentators to be awful. Sorry. Except for the final call in a bunch sprint finish, which is excellent, the other 3-4 hours is change the channel time. Sean Kelly just drones on and on saying something in 500 words that can be expressed in 50. Please give me Phil Liggett, Bob Roll, and Christian Vande Velde!

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 20 dny

      Oh God no!! Phil Liggett is a legend but the past 4 years he makes more mistakes than should be allowed. I'm surprised they are still letting him commentate. Bob and Christian are entertaining but they don't have the insight these guys do. I'm pissed that I can't watch the TDF on MAX and I'm forced to watch it on our American network (every time I say the name my comment gets removed)
      🤘🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @andressuescun2263
    @andressuescun2263 Před 28 dny

    Gaviria si es mucha g*ueva, como no va a seguir la rueda del lanzador, un tipo asi que no confia en sus compañeros le queda muy dificil ganar, es una decepción no porque no haya ganado, sino porque no hizo lo que tenia que hacer que era seguir la rueda de su lanzador e intentar ganar con mas posibilidades, lamentable, siempre la misma historia, nunca sigue la rueda, lastima!🎉

  • @danielmacdonald721
    @danielmacdonald721 Před 28 dny

    Milan would’ve won if his position was good for sure

    • @kennykaniff
      @kennykaniff Před 27 dny

      Milan is known for picking the wrong position and finding himself out in the wind A LOT. Merlier is a better tactician and that's what makes him a GREAT sprinter. It takes more than JUST speed to be a GREAT sprinter. Maybe Milan will start to learn
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