Kalitta Boeing 747 Starts TAKEOFF ROLL WITHOUT CLEARANCE. REAL ATC
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- čas přidán 15. 10. 2023
- 11 August 2023.
An Kalitta Air Boeing 747 registration N707CK performing flight CKS690 from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky Intl Airport (KCVG) to Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport (PANC). Was instructed to line up and wait at runway 27 but the crew lined up and started takeoff roll without permission.
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Hey, guys!
I decided to create a channel with slightly better visualization. The first video is already on the channel. link below and in first comment. Leave your opinion in the comments under the video.
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I think the visualization on THIS channel is perfect.I do not like the other(new)channel because it uses flight simulator of some kind. At that moment fixtion and reality are mixed too close so it becomes less real.
The video and audio are not in sync. Perhaps you have deleted dead air in the audio? This did not happen over a 3min-ish time span. When you change the timeline like that, it alters the perception of what really happened.
I like Real ATC more because I can see the big picture all the time.
@@JannePaalijarviI have to second this one. As a visual learner, the Real ATC pov is such a bonus. ✈️💯
Very professionally handled by the tower.
How else do you think it should have been handled? You clearly are not a Pilot…
@@user-kb8gh5jv9t Eh, what do you mean?
Of course that's the way it should have been handled... but I've seen too many of these videos where it was not. So...
@@joedaltow8878 , if you can’t take some heat, get out of the kitchen, flying or discussions about it are not for the faint of heart, sometimes things have to be stated clearly and unequivocally! No reason to sugarcoat it.
No participation trophies allowed in aviation😉
@@user-kb8gh5jv9t The tower handled it as it should be handled. That's it.
The argue of who might have did wrong is in another place another time.
And it is also important to not start blaming the person. Too often it is the system that is at fault. No blame game as it is called.
I appreciate that she gave them the benefit of the doubt, foregoing any accusations and drama until they'd reviewed the audio logs.
There's no point to lecture the pilots on frequency anyways, and the controller knew that. Very professional by her.
I always hate it when you have an overworked controller handling too much, and extra conversation on frequency while planes are getting TCAS RAs. This controller did an excellent job of moving aircraft, with excellent situational awareness, but we still need more controllers and better working conditions so they can focus on their primary goal of keeping the blips from meeting.
There was also a possibility that she misphrased something. We've heard that right now, they all only remembered.
'Line up and WAIT'. Sounded clear to me.@@pawepluta4883
😅
@@hansbrugman
A real pro in the tower.
Great controller and she even recognized the B747 may need a brake cooling time. She handled that with grace, likely knowing full well the B747 pilots did not have a takeoff clearance.
What is a "brake cooling time". The time needed is to set up checklists for takeoff plus a takeoff briefing. The brakes are not hot from the rejected takeoff
@@johnhanson9245 "may need"
@@johnhanson9245brakes absolutely can get hot from a rejected take off.
@@johnhanson9245 "Brake cooling time" is a time needed to cool the brakes when they absorb the kinetic energy of a heavy loaded airplane they stop. That time may be quite long, but they didn't gain much speed yet so it was not the case.
@@pawepluta4883 brakes can overheat just from taxiing, especially from long taxiways.
ATC did a great job catching that. Everyone was very professional despite the issue.
That tower controller was the absolute best!
Excellent situational awareness from the CVG tower controller.
She's so apologetic to have to give the dreaded "phone number" 😅
Excellent ATC! That gal had her head on a swivel!
And she handled it way better than most! You could hear the empathy in her voice saying she has to report it and to copy a phone number.
Class A all the way!💕🇨🇦
Its a good thing controllers have been on top of it lately. A few years ago I had a controller clear me to land about 15 miles out and once we got to short final at about 1-2 miles they cleared an aircraft for takeoff from an intersecting runway. I think they forgot about us landing on the other runway. I queried the controller and they immediately cancelled the takeoff clearance for the other aircraft. Stuff happens. Be safe out there.
I guess you then get to give the tower a number to call! 😊
@@Slithey7433 Not if you have a boyfriend.
Great controller. Handled the situation professionally, kept radio traffic to a minimum distraction. People make mistakes and there is no need to grind them into the ground with snarky comments.
The pilot *knew* he'd made a mistake, and I'm sure he appreciated how gracefully the ATC handled the situation.
yep, that was as polite on both ends as it could possibly be.
She told him line up and wait. Those boys screwed up. Could have been a disaster. I'm surprised at how nice the tower was under the circumstances.
You ll eat your pop corn another day
Hey, it costs nothing to be polite, and I can't see that the controller missed anything that needed to be done in the aftermath. The important thing was first to keep everyone safe, and then to keep everyone moving.
Having a fight there would have achieved nothing. As a result of ATC's alertness and coolness under pressure they were repositioned promptly - along with the phone number!
What would being not nice achieve?
She is being nice because she knows that this crew needs to fly an airplane for the next several hours, and the worst you can do to have them in a bad mindset for this upcoming flight, is to give them a hard time. They probably debriefed the event themselves once they were in cruise, and got back on their game. And then got also debriefed on the phone after.
Wow! I can only speculate that the pilot absent mindedly did some routine things and the brain saw they're on the runway so he took off. But, what a potentially dangerous mistake! Great job by ATC!!!!
The other plane was never gonna cross his path, it already had gate instructions, he was in fact up next..however he did commit an error, all he had to do..but I’ve been on plenty of flights when the same happened. Does anyone know if the pilot gets “points” on his license for this or what happens?!
@@therealBocaStudiosthe company will look at it. There was not a points system in my flying days and I think that’s true today.
Wouldn't the FO question or challenge entering the active without clearance?
The tower was very polite in that incident
Oof. They read it back, so the controller’s instructions were obviously clear.
Yes, of course. But still, IMHO: "Bla, bla, bla... PERIOD - Line.Up.And.Wait PERIOD - bla, bla,bla..." for both sides: Why can't they just slow down and pronounce the most IMPORTANT stuff?? You really barely hear that from both sides! Why??
@@Greattk78pilots are trained and ingrained in their mind to know and understand what ATC says. Tower was being concise and clear and the reason she (and virtually every controller) has to say it fast is because there are other traffic who needs instructions. All the stuff she says is important. There’s no “unimportant” stuff.
This was just a case of the pilot misunderstanding/forgetting something. I mean he even read it back correctly.
@@WhenTheTucker I'm not convinced, honestly. "Line up and wait" is the key statement, as accidents on high speeds when landing/taking off are usually lethal. Of course they have to be fast speaking... but IMHO here they overdo it, it even sounds nonchalant. And this might have been the reason for the error here. And I am not asking for slow speaking either. But here it seems to me the pilot was repeating like a parrot being late, without grasping what he is saying.
@@Greattk78I don’t know what you’re talking about. Tower was clear in what they said. They didn’t overdo anything. I was able to understand her perfectly even without subtitles.
Whatever the reason the pilot decided to not follow ATC instructions, even when he read it back correctly, is completely on him and he is at fault.
Maybe his brain was on autopilot and he just decided to roll out. Maybe he didn’t understand the instructions. Maybe he was checked out and tired after flying long haul. Whatever the reason is, we can only speculate. Tower isn’t at fault here. The fault lies solely on the pilot.
@@WhenTheTucker Of course it is not the tower's fault. But besides correct and wrong there is actually also "precautious". I've heard lot's of operators who simply pronounce crucial things appropriately, instead of monotonous yada-yada. Might have helped here, and it is not about being guilty or not. Best would be to eliminate the human factor here, AI will do a better job in future eventually.
She was extrmely sympathetic and polite considering the B747 crew, despite acknowledging the clear instruction to line up and wait due to the landing aircraft on the intersecting runway, commenced the take-off roll without clearance. She even told Kalitta to "cancel take-off clearance" when she never gave them a clearance to begin with.
Reminds me of the Tenerife disaster. They actually read back the clearance on this one and still deviated from the ATC instruction. Amazing.
Teneriffe was caused SOLELY by an Arrogant " Popstar " Senior Pilot . 538 people died for his Ego .
@@johncunningham4820 It wasn't caused solely by the senior pilot of the KLM, saying that is just plain ignorant. Read some articles, watch some videos, inform yourself. Yes, that pilot made a big mistake but you can NOT forget ALL the other factors that played a huge role in that crash.
@@adriaanj . I watched a Full 1 hour break-down Documentary on the Incident .
Yes , there were some other factors .
The Diversions to Tenerife , the Weather conditions variability Etc . The FACT remains , the KLM pilot decided he was Taking Off NOW .
@@johncunningham4820 You literally just contradicted yourself.
@@adriaanj . Really ? HOW ?
The KLM Pilot disregarded Instructions from the Tower . THAT resulted in the Collision that killed SO many .
This is how catastrophes begin. The readback was correct, so why did the co-pilot not stop the captain when he started rolling?
damn good question
Retired F18 25 year CAF instructor/pilot also 5 year Boeing 737 Captain here. After all these years as I near 65, this video is an excellent reminder that complacency kills. Monitor the fuel. Look outside. Watch mother nature. No chit-chat during the sterile period. There are people back there, and I want to get home to my loved ones too. My nightmare has always been to be involved in one of these incidents but Ive never had to call the "number" lol
Thanks you for your expert comment and also thank you for your service!
Salute to this tower person.
How the hell do you mistake, "Line up and wait," for "Cleared for takeoff?"
Get-there-soon.
That's what it was. Very well handled by ATC, kudos to her.
Heard about this. There is a video I believe of this incident where you can see smoke roll off the brakes/tires I suppose he hit the brakes hard. I'm a truck driver and work at and around CVG everyday, but mostly Polar and Delta.
Hey! This is my town's airport! Very nice job by the controller. The pilot even repeated back the instruction to line up and wait. Can't believe they started their roll.
Bummer for the flight crew they made that mistake. Could have been a much bigger issue if that controller wasn’t on her game. Luckily she was.
Great Video Safety First I follow Kay she is outstanding to listen to ..Thanks again Peter ex Qantas
As a pilot, I can tell you when ATC says "copy this telephone number"......it ain't good.
Hope the both pilots filed a NASA report.
Report that they are dumbasses?
NASA report?
@@mannythelimodriver6003 This advisory circular (AC) provides guidance for the submission of reports under the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Aviation Safety Reporting Program (ASRP). The ASRP is a cooperative safety reporting program that invites pilots, controllers, flight attendants (F/A), maintenance personnel, dispatchers, and other users of the National Airspace System (NAS), or any other person, to report to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) actual or potential discrepancies and deficiencies in aviation safety. NASA serves as a third party to receive and process Aviation Safety Reports. Examples of operations covered by the program include departure, en route, approach, and landing operations and procedures; air traffic control (ATC) procedures and equipment; crew and ATC communications; aircraft cabin operations; aircraft movement on the airport; near midair collisions (NMAC); aircraft maintenance and record keeping; airport conditions or services; and unmanned aircraft operations. The effectiveness of this program in improving safety depends on the free, unrestricted flow of information from the users of the NAS. Based on information obtained from this program, the FAA will take corrective action as necessary to remedy defects or deficiencies in the NAS. The reports may also provide data for improving the current system and planning for a future system.
@mannythelimodriver6003 Yes, believe it or not.
They handle the Aviation Safety Reporting System.
@@mannythelimodriver6003NASA ASRS (Aircraft Safety Reporting System). Any pilot deviations, aircraft incidents can be reported. In most cases self reporting relieves aircrews of penalties for mistakes or misunderstandings. The FAA, NTSB, and NASA came up with this to promote safety. If pilots can freely admit to mistakes data can be gathered to help identify issues and promote a safer environment. As long as there is no damages or injuries the matter should be dropped. ATC has a similar program called the Air Traffic Safety Action Program (ATSAP).
Woah
Line up and wait, pretty clear to me!
Not only that, but they'd read it back clearly and unambiguously.
Question, what happens to the flight crew after this kind of mistake? Are they grounded for a while, re-training, fined? Just wondering.
Controller did amazing. Very professional. Controllers are great in CVG. I have taken off of this very runway many times.
Professional service like this is the majority every day in the USA where thousands of airport operators occur. The few instances of rude or non professional communications are the exception. Our ATC pros are the best in the world
uh oh, when ATC gives you their number it's like going to the principles office. But well done by ATC and Connie 690, very professional. Feel like what may have happened is Connie 690 was monitoring another channel where someone got take off clearance and mistook it for theirs.
Dang, Tenerife all over again!
Negative. The incoming flight was cleared to terminal and had a direct path to the terminal without crossing the outgoing runway. Yes, there COULD have been a problem if the incoming flight needed more room, but it didn't. NONE of this is to diminish the pilot's (and copilot's!) error. I'm only speaking to your Tenerife comparison.
The controller sure was nice about it. Kudos to her. If I were the pilots I'd be wanting her phone number not the one they got.
Nice! Most don't know the Connie reference!
@Stevonoles1 Doug, Scott (RIP), Ypsilanti, etc. (Conrad)
There seems to be a lot of unauthorized takeoff attempts since the phraseology was changed from "Taxi into position and hold." to "Line up and wait." Also, the controller, issuing instructions to "Cancel takeoff clearance" implies that the clearance was issued to begin with. A better phrase would have been "Abort takeoff!".... Former ATC controller at CVG.
I fail to see how "line up and wait" sounds anything like "cleared for takeoff." Nothing wrong with the phraseology.
@@Falcon-um7vo The phraseology "line up and wait" has no meaning when there are 15 planes, already lined up and waiting on the parallel taxiway for takeoff clearance. It's totally redundant, while "taxi into position and "hold" implies instructions to taxi onto the runway and wait for a clearance to takeoff.
1:43 'Do you need a minute before you're ready to go again?' Story of my life...
😂
Those 25 hr crew duty days catch up eventually.
I loved my time flying freight in the 747, but those duty days were the worst.
Superb performance by the ATC. This is how to handle these situations, just make sure situation is safe, complaints for later.
Wow. There was no excuse on that one. Thankfully ATC was attentive when the flight crew obviously was not.
He repeated back the "line up and wait" instruction. Definitely a pilot deviation!
"Line up and wait,do not take off,do not take off" I think will solve the confusion that happened many times already.
Ex-Connie 690 pilot is located now at window 2 of Popeye's. He is winging it there now as a hired hand.
"Connie, cancel takeoff clearance..."
"What clearance? We don't need no stinkin clearance."
What a calm controller, very professional and understanding. Seems like the 747 was in the wrong though...
Make that "definite pilot deviation".
She gave them a very polite benefit of the doubt. Not that she ever really had any.
The problem I note is that the tower told Connie to line-up and wait, then uses the Connie call sign to say "traffic holding", when she should have said Endeavour. But, no question, Connie should have queried it and stayed still.
Listen again to the audio, the call was to Endeavor 5117, the captions were wrong.
@@chrisschack9716 Was just about to say the same thing. The beginning of the call sign is a little cut off but even it's not Endeavor it's definitely not Connie either, and the number is definitely 5117 and not 690. The caption is off.
But even if there was confusion over the callsign, instructions for takeoff are very clear. You have to be told "cleared for takeoff." If you don't hear those words, you are not cleared. If you think an instruction was given to you and it was meant to give you permission to take off but you didn't hear those words, you should call the tower back and request that the instruction be repeated.
The 690-pilot replied Line up & WAIT.
She told Connie that traffic was holding on the intersecting runway followed by garbled transmission that immediately cut in. If the transmission was garbled for Connie, I can see where it gave the mistaken impression that cross traffic was holding and takeoff clearance was given. However Connie failed to call back that takeoff clearance was recognized, and simply rolled on a bad radio call.
"Line up and wait." And Connie read that back, exactly. There is nothing that even remotely sounds like a takeoff clearance. @@ialsoagree1634
I NEVER said possible pilot deviation. The last thing I wanted was a pilot distracted the entire flight worrying about losing his license. I just gave them our number and asked them to call when they landed. I also didn’t want to embarrass them on the frequency.
Then you maybe hamstringing the FSDO investigator from taking appropriate corrective actions by not giving a proper Brasher notification.
Mr. K " No Green Light = Foul"
I agree that the controller saw the Connie rolling on takeoff without a takeoff clearance. She handled the situation beautifully. I am confused as to why she cleared Connie to line up and wait, told him about the short final landing traffic, then told Connie there was an aircraft on the intersecting runway. She must have meant to tell the landing aircraft that.
0:25 The onscreen captions have the _incorrect callsign_ on the tower transmission that begins after Connie 690H's "Line up and wait" readback
SFO and JFK ATC? THAT'S a GOOD ATC!! Please learn something with her....
That’s kinda weird, the voice data recorded will run for the next flight so they won’t have the cockpit audio of the incident later?
0:25 "[inaudible] one-seventeen traffic..." She was speaking to someone other than the Connie 690 Heavy.
Tower can be real lovely, just like this lady, if they choose to.
That's a big ol' whoops there tower.
Line up and wait.
Pilot, quoting one of the great forefathers:
OH YES
Yep, that captain is the reason for that phrase. That, and "departure" instead of takeoff when used outside of specifically giving _takeoff_ clearance. The word takeoff was not uttered here, and still. Good catch from the controller. Fortunately the place wasn't fogged in like that other time.
It wsnt just line up and wait --- she said it was line up and wait because of landing traffic on the intersecting runway
Line up and wait is what I heard
The pilot read back "Line up and wait." Then started to roll. Ouch!
Again, two pilots missing a takeoff clearance. Unbelievable!
Not quite as bad had they missed it - but it was READ BACK correctly. Definite pilot error, good thing traffic was low and the controller caught their mistake.
Oscoda, Ypsilanti Represent, one on my Bro- in- Laws biggest Clients! Connie!
Great gal in the ATC center. She even gave the 747 an immediate solution to the problem. "Take the first left...you need more time to line up?" Or something like that. She restores a little bit of faith in humankind despite all the monsters out there.
Jets, particularly heavies like 747s, need brake cooling time after a rejected takeoff before they're safe to try another. That's why she offered them some waiting time.
@@JonGreen_UK Thanks, Jon 👍. Good to know.
This is not the first time issue rose in CVG. Last time, it was ATC who caused intersection collision issue.
Tower said hold, they read back hold, so where's the confusion ?
Funny, ATC audio is open frequencies; why blackout phone numbers?
She had no reason to assume that they started their takeoff roll. Unless they have some ground TCAS instrumentation, this was all done by observation. Good diligence and awareness.
Everybody in the business knows Kalitta. For a long time.
Oh yeah, Conrad Kalitta, I've been watching him Drag Race for years, Now a team owner, not driving anymore. I guess Kalitta Air supplies the mega funds to operate his multi car Drag Race team.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10Connie has said as much. He created the airline to pay for his love of drag racing. Though these days he probably makes enough with producing parts for racing and aircraft to run his teams
Looking forward to the robot pilots. I think it will run very well
So what happens when they call in?
Eff or possibly Eff ----> CREW's Fatigue or (over) Familiarization.
Seems as though two experienced pilots simultaneously had a brain fart. Don't let distractions cross that sterile cockpit barrier! All they can say now is "my bad."
Bad Connie- bad Connie!
That wasn’t a possible pilot deviation. That was a pilot deviation.
The entire flight crew failed here. ATC was excellent.
Curious if the word “wait”.....is used just as much as “hold”
"Taxi into position and HOLD" became "Taxi into position and WAIT" or "Line up and WAIT"
While we're talking about accuracy in ATC comms, wouldn't it be simpler to use airline names rather than Connie, Speedbird etc? \m/
He didn't start without clearance. He just cut the light too close and red-lighted. The other lane won.
There was nothing that could even remotely be construed as takeoff clearance. Call the number, and enjoy your suspension.
2 unemployed pilot.
Doubtful, but they will get a ticket to a carpet dance, the FAA will speak to them, it will be on their record, and some additional sim time will be scheduled.
No, will go on there record, was a good catch by ATC, flight crew will probably get a stern talking to, maybe a smack on the wrist, that's about it. Could've been much worse.
3 days ago air traffic controlled by accident erased my drone permit. They called and asked if I was still flying. Yes I am...... Then they called a few times more..... Likely another guy finished his flying and they noted it for me..... Crosswinds due to open windows or what?
Tower: “Cancel takeoff clearance”, implies they actually had clearance to take off, which they did not. Bad choice of words…
Perfect choice of words. It _worked._
"Cancel takeoff clearance" suggests that a takeoff clearance existed to begin with.
Well that can be checked.....so no biggie.
Them actually taking off, indicates they thought they had a takeoff clearance. The controller used appropriate, known phraseology they would immediately react to. Hearing that instruction on a takeoff roll, is known instantly, and they would know to immediately reject the takeoff. Using other, ambiguous or conversational phraseology during that phase, could delay their reaction and prolong their take off roll.
@@bradskis81 That is some good quality bilge.
@@bradskis81 Incorrect. Nowhere in the pilot/controller glossary of the FAR/AIM is the term "cancel takeoff clearance" found. The proper phraseology would have been "abort takeoff".
@@sacpilot”cancel takeoff clearance “ is standard controller phraseology . Any professional pilot knows how to respond
She was very nice considering Connie blew it big time. Iif that was Kennedy Steve oh boy....Tower was quite clear.
Don't they have at least two pilots? How can this happen?
Wait for what!?..maybe we can check tire pressure! Wash the windshield!
An obvious pilot mistake. No takeoff clearance, just line up and wait.
props to the controller....those pilots really f&cked up.
In his defense, he did line up and wait, for like two seconds.
0:28: "Connie etc. traffic holding in position on the intersecting runway" suggests that there is a different plane than Connie waiting to use the runway and so by implication Connie now is cleared to take off.
ATC should have addressed the "traffic holding in position" message to the INCOMING plane, shouldn't it ?
Was that the source of the misunderstanding ?
The onscreen captions are incorrect. The controller issues that call and advisory to inbound traffic, *Endeavor 5117.* Listen carefully and you'll hear that call does _not_ begin with "Connie 690H" as the captions erroneously claim
@@oubrioko I do not hear Endeavor being addressed, yet you are right that it was not Connie. smh
@@andy99ish If I didn't already _know_ it was EDV 5117 from later in the video, I wouldn't be able to tell either
Start at 0:22:
*CKS 690H:* _Line up and wait, runway two seven, Connie 690 Heavy_
*CVG Tower:* _[unintelligible]-deaver Fifty-one Seventeen, traffic holding in position on the intersecting runway_
@@oubrioko Same. Which leaves me wondering why ATC is not held to pronounce words clearly.
what are the consequences for the pilot here?
Tenerife 2.0 but with a much better outcome. (Taking off without a take off clearance).
She probably wouldn't be so nice if that inbound was closer... That's the kinda mistake that not only the pilot should never make, it's a complete breakdown of Cockpit Resource Management. That's the mindless stuff that gets people killed!
My house is on the flight path to this airport. I have planes rattling my windows everyday
You knew the house was near the airport prior to purchase.
@jimgandee2570 did I say I didnt?
@@seymourbutts2530 no you didn’t and I apologize if I jumped to the conclusion that you were complaining about the noise as so many do.
With flight crews like that.......WTF? Time to seek employment in the fast food industry!!!
Yea, then they in turn can tell impatient customers to "Line up and wait." Heehee!!!
Do you have any Chef openings at your Hardees?
Pilot did not line up and WAIT.
Technically, he did line up and wait, just not long enough to get the proper clearance to actually proceed with the departure.
Cancel takeoff clearance, what clearance was that?! I heard line up and wait - then the crew read it back in acknowledgement 😲
I would imagine that is a standard comment to get the pilots immediate attention rather than having a conversation that would not convey the urgency. I did think the same. Very calm ATC
Cancel takeoff clearance is standard phraseology, even if no takeoff clearance was issued
Ruh-Roh
The pilot sounds really sheepish. He knows he’s mucked up.