Weird that this seems to be a trend among black conservatives lately. Bryson Grey, Jesse Peterson, Officer Tatum and Young Don all deny the divinity of Jesus yet claim to be Christian. Each person suprised me when i found out. Im glad Candace Owens bucked the trend by being Catholic 😂
Its just black protestants in general they skew towards either baptist/methodist/epsicopal or sda, jw, oneness pentecostal or some other wild anti trinitarian sect from the second great awakening.
There is no Christianity without Christ being God. This is basic understanding, and the foundation of Christianity. It is nonsense to claim he isn’t God.
Completely wrong, many denominations do no see him as God. What is the problem is jesus not being God? Why is it a necessity? Please do try to explain that.
@@stevied3400 ok, please don't assume we are all idiots. Go see why Unitarians do not accept your interpretation, you'll see that there is a good reason.
@@RudyCarrera Yes yes, only those who accept the basics I deem important qualify for whatever I believe is right. What is even the point of your comment? Are you going to represent any point those denominations make and explain logically why you disagree? Or you are just here to display your self righteousness
@@gabrielkovalov8966 It's because he denies Christ. There is no salvation without Christ. That's the most important thing. If it's a cult mentality, why be here and engage? Why even bother sending a message?
@@harvestcrops3983 because I am trying to be Christ like and show help and love by sharing the truth to you. The sentence there is no salvation without Christ is a general idea that is abused. Even jews believe there is no salvation without Christ, but ofc, not the same way you believe. What does it actually mean to you, there is no salvation without Christ, and what are the bible passages that support what you believe.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who is God, is the only way towards Salvation. Have you not read John, even more specifically John 5 and John 14. I don't even know what you're trying to say. Are you a protestant?
I do not understand how people saying that because you're using large, grandiose, or complex terms/verbiage, that that somehow means that your point is demeaned or invalidated. They're just admitting that they don't understand!
Bingo! I once heard someone rightly claim that the root of all theological error is confussing personhood and essence. How hard is it to understand that you do not pray to an essence (no one does), but to a Person?
It seems people can be deistic, theistic can understand psychological benefits or uses of religion. But the modern mind struggles to have a nuanced theology of God and struggles to see why that is so important for everything
Hey David thank you for this video. Those versus in John you were explaining hit me differently this time around. It's literally Jesus rejecting polytheism, in that he doesn't do separate actions as another God, but He is the same God as the father is God.
@@macedonian-bulgarianorthobro Yes, however I think there needs to be a second one in order to fully address the recent points and accusations made by Militant Thomist.
@@dimitridawydow5176 Honestly, since seeing the first one, I've always thought we needed a debate on the Essence-Energies Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity more than we do on the Filioque. Another Erhan-Wagner debate on that topic would be interesting, but I'm not exactly sure if either of them would want to do something like that.
Jesus said he and the Father are one and when you see him you see the Father. When Thomas said my lord and my God Jesus accepted his wworship not to mention he strictly reinforced monotheism when he preached.
The Arian heresy has been around a long time. But it denies the basic revelation that God has made of himself in scripture. The words we use >>Father, Word (Son), Breath (Spirit)>>have been given as sufficient for us human beings, but the reality is divine mystery, far beyond what our limited minds are capable of understanding. The simple revelation is straightforward. The Creator spun the universes into existence out of nothing by Word and Breath. He sustains the created realms moment by moment through the same. He communicates with his creatures through the same. And at the appropriate time, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Today, the divine Breath dwells with power inside those who will receive him and initiates a new creation.
Hi David, i have difficulty understanding the analogy to fire. Fire is a chemical reaction between matter and oxygen, producing heat and light, right? Which of these is the Father?
@@MrNickdino there are NO analogies that will equate to God the Father, the Son(Logos) & Holy Spirit. So many people try to describe an analogy of an infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent being using finite example limited time, space, and matter... all of which God is not limited by. Think of it like this... as a human "being" you are body, soul, spirit. That is a trinity or tri-unity. Those 3 make you 1 human being. You are a living 'soul' you animate your 'body' and God Breathed into your lungs the 'breath of life'/ruach/ Spirit. Body, soul, spirit, 3 in 1. Now it can be made analogous as the Father, Son Holy Spirit. God the Father would be as the 'Soul', Jesus, the Son ..the 'body' & the Holy Spirit, the 'Spirit'.. just as your 3..body, soul, spirit making you a human 'being'.... The Father, Son and Holy Spirit make the "being" of God. This is also called the "Godhead". Here's one you can look up in the bible... God the Father/Yahuah- God ABOVE US The Son/IMMANUEL - God WITH us Holy Spirit. - God IN us
If I shoot a gun and it hits the target, the gun gives me the ability to hit the target. That doesn’t mean I’m the gun or that I possess gun like abilities. If Jesus can’t do anything without the father, it seems that’s the reason he might think Jesus is not God. I’m an atheist but I’m trying to figure this stuff out.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
Interesting, but did you fall for a snare? _"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."_ - *Acts 2:38* Well, Jesus got baptized, right? What sins of His was he being baptized for to showcase that He had been forgiven? I would argue Jesus was sinless and I assume you would as well, right? Perhaps part of Jesus completing the prophecy correctly and leading by example fully, was to be a human man perfectly. This would include Him worshipping God, since man should worship God. So, in his humanhood, His God is God... but is man allowed to worship Himself? Well, this headache is avoided by directing worship towards the Father. Something to consider and just my personal perspective, ya know?
Good video. Never heard of this Jesse Lee Peterson fellow. Seems like one of those Neo-Arians today who say Christ was just a man or a lesser deity. They've been appearing everywhere for some reason.
Here's a detailed argument for Jesus being the Son of God, not God Himself: The Father-Son Relationship The Bible consistently portrays Jesus as the Son of God, not God Himself. This relationship is a fundamental aspect of Christian theology, and it's essential to understand the nuances of this relationship. In John 14:28, Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I." This statement is often overlooked or dismissed by those who argue for Jesus' divinity. However, it's a crucial verse that highlights the distinct relationship between Jesus and the Father. If Jesus is God, as some argue, then it's illogical for Him to say that the Father is greater than Him. God, by definition, is the supreme being, and there is no one greater than Him. Therefore, Jesus' statement implies that He is not God, but rather the Son of God. The Sonship of Jesus Throughout the Bible, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, 17:5; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22, 9:35; John 1:34, 1:49). This title emphasizes Jesus' unique relationship with the Father, distinguishing Him from other prophets and messengers. In Hebrews 1:1-3, the author writes, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power..." Here, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God, who has been appointed heir of all things. This verse highlights the Father-Son relationship and distinguishes Jesus from the Father. The Distinction between God and Jesus In 1 Corinthians 8:6, Paul writes, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." This verse is crucial in understanding the distinction between God (the Father) and Jesus Christ (the Son). Paul writes that there is only one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. This distinction is not just a matter of semantics; it's a fundamental aspect of Christian theology. The Human Nature of Jesus The Bible also emphasizes Jesus' human nature. In Hebrews 2:17-18, the author writes, "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted." Here, Jesus is described as being "made like unto his brethren," highlighting His human nature. This verse is significant, as it shows that Jesus, as the Son of God, was willing to take on human form and suffer temptation, making Him relatable to humanity. Jesus' Subordination to the Father In John 5:19, Jesus says, "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." This verse highlights Jesus' subordination to the Father. Jesus cannot act independently of the Father; He can only do what He sees the Father doing. This statement reinforces the idea that Jesus is not God, but rather the Son of God, who is dependent on the Father. The Role of the Holy Spirit In John 16:13-14, Jesus says, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." Here, Jesus speaks about the role of the Holy Spirit, who will guide the disciples into all truth. The Holy Spirit is not God, but rather a distinct entity that will glorify Jesus. This verse reinforces the idea that there is a clear distinction between God (the Father), Jesus (the Son), and the Holy Spirit. Conclusion In conclusion, the Bible consistently portrays Jesus as the Son of God, not God Himself. The Father-Son relationship is a fundamental aspect of Christian theology, and it's essential to understand the nuances of this relationship. The distinction between God (the Father) and Jesus Christ (the Son) is clear, and the Bible emphasizes Jesus' human nature. Jesus' subordination to the Father and the role of the Holy Spirit also reinforce the idea that Jesus is not God, but rather the Son of God. Therefore, I argue that Jesus is the Son of God, not God Himself. Additional References John 8:17-18: Jesus says, "I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." This verse highlights the distinct relationship between Jesus and the Father. Matthew 11:27: Jesus says, "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." This verse emphasizes the unique relationship between Jesus and the Father. Hebrews 5:8: The author writes, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." This verse highlights Jesus' human nature and His obedience to the Father.
@@sidewaysfcs0718 history repeats and most of today's heresies and philosophical missteps in general were "solved" centuries ago, people don't read anymore
The “heat of the fire is the fire itself?” - Really? This is an illogical and incoherent claim. Heat is produced by fire, and metaphysical causation or priority suggests that the Father actually causes the Son, irrespective of whether this is atemporal or not. This means that the Son lacks aseity though possessing eternality. Then, using “God” in equivocal ways in reference to the Trinity is philosophically plausible but biblically irreconcilable. If the essence is called “God”, and all three distinct divine persons possess the essence of ”fully”, this results in blatant tritheism, doesn’t it?
Reformed Presbyterian here. All the church fathers and obviously the bible clearly states the Trinity and that Jesus is fully God and Man. If you deny the Nicene creed you are a heritic and need to repent.
1:10 the praying to himself argument is intellectually false and dishonest, in Jeremiah 18, when a nation does Good God Repents of the Evil he would have purposed as a result of their sin, and when they’re stiffnecked he repents of the blessings he would have sent for their righteousness, so If God in his highest state will repent TO HIMSELF, than he in his Flesh form his MOST HUMBLE FORM will of course pray to himself as well. Literally had to log in to x scroll to this post and just put this out there because this argument makes no sense as soon as i saw it thanks to the Jeremiah verse, STAY IN YOUR BIBLE, it will give you a mouth to speak that nobody can gainsay or refute✝️=❤️
Maybe I am in the minority, but can you really blame anybody for getting confused about the Trinity, when abstract thinking is required to understand the concept?
Let’s see if any Trinitarian on here can answer the question that Sam Shamoun ran from when I asked him: Can you be something before you “become” that something? For example, was Adam “a living soul before he became “a living soul? If not then ask yourself; When did Jesus become “a life-giving spirit”?-1 Cor. 15:45 And if God is eternally spirit how is it that Christ had to “become” a spirit? Good luck! 😂
Dr Beau Branson is co-authoring a book with him on the logical problem of the Trinity. Should be good. I'd love to hear David and FrDcn Ananias address Dale's arguments.
Your analogy is so stupid, the heat and the light are not the fire. Heat is heat and light is light. There can be heat without light and light without heat (far away). They have completely different qualities.... While Trinity means that the light is the heat, because the father is the son and the son is also the spirit. If the son is not the father, then you have 3 different beings in the Trinity. Like you said, the light must be the fire. Also, the fire is a general term that holds inside it heat and light, but heat and light do not hold inside them fire. Clearly they are not the same. There is no perfect logical explanations for Trinity, that is why it is the mystery understood by faith alone. To assume you can understand it without faith by explanation is to go against the church fathers...
You make a mistake, light always involves heat, doesn't matter if you can't feel it because it isn't strong enough. But your conclusion seems plausible to me.
@@MrNickdino well if you consider any energy to be heat then you would be correct. But in human experience, there is light without heat (certain bugs at night). There is also energy without light, electrons moving inside wood. Ofc it is a matter of scale and perspective, since our scale is things like fire and our perspective is human, it is correct to say that some light does not have heat. A better analogy for trinity is - trinity = reality. Reality is 1. What we do not know - death 2. What we know - life 3. What can be changed - force of life (free will) These three things are basic components of our reality, and this God who is reality itself as his name Jehovah suggests. The father takes the role of the unknown - the distant, the less approachable. The son is God in reality itself, in the approachable, it is through approachable reality we connect to the unapproachable reality (higher realms, spiritual realm etc) The holy Spirit is the choice between living with meaning and obedience to God or without. And according to that a force is applied that shapes your life. Denying anyone of these 3 aspects about God is heresy. God will always have an unknown side. God will always be approachable through everything that we can know in reality itself God not only is approachable in reality, but actively can change it - that is the holy Spirit. The only problem with this idea of Trinity is that you are expected to see jesus as a representation of God on earth, not literal God. While scripture has no problem with that, mainstream interpretations will label you heretical. But let us ask something, how can we say that God is approachable through reality? -because it is created by him, through him and maintained by him, thus a tree is an example of his pure will in reality, and when you examine closely the will of God manifest, you will get to know God. Same thing when you meet a righteous man that has given everything to live for God. This man has truly surrendered and his will is only to serve God truly, thus, he is an example of the will of God, and through him one can see God.
The Father alone is God. Jesus is the suffering servant. Jesus is the man who would live holy promised in Genesis 3:15. Moses taught Jesus was a prophet like him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
No Trynity False teaching Its baylonian, And yes Yeshua Is not YHVH. the scriptures never teach the son is God , your just twisting the Words to your own Destruction. Truth
Jesus is not God. He’s the Son of God. Specifically the firstborn Son of the New Covenant. Jesus is the Lord (made Lord) and the anointed God, both terms meaning human leader. The Orthodoxy is illiterate to the fact that men were called Lords and Gods in antiquity. Jesus explains this in John 10:31-39 where He points out the Israelite council was called Gods in Psalms 82.
I stick with Gods word. Jesus is not the Most High God. Mk 5:7 ,Jesus is the son of the living God. Mt16:16 Only the Father is the Supreme Deity. I Cor8:6 Eph4:6 1Tim2:5 Jesus is subject to his God forever. 1Cor15:24,27
David I thank God that you are down to earth. No tinsel and bubbles!! God keep you One thing tho and it's seems to be common on orthodox CZcams apologists..... Ye don't pray at beginning....... Thats one of the main objectives of sound theology, surely...... No matter how good and skilled our sowing and watering, we are nothing and it is only God gives increase.
Matthew 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
When I'm in a "resurrecting 1700 year old heresies" competition and my opponent is an American protestant
Weird that this seems to be a trend among black conservatives lately. Bryson Grey, Jesse Peterson, Officer Tatum and Young Don all deny the divinity of Jesus yet claim to be Christian. Each person suprised me when i found out.
Im glad Candace Owens bucked the trend by being Catholic 😂
@@CanditoTrainingHQ I didn't realize Officer Tatum denied the trinity 😂 Wild
Johnny Candito road to Holy Orthodoxy when?
Surreal seeing this comment here. I didnt expect you to be into orthodox theology.
if candace had enough time to study she would have went EO not CC
Its just black protestants in general they skew towards either baptist/methodist/epsicopal or sda, jw, oneness pentecostal or some other wild anti trinitarian sect from the second great awakening.
I don't know who the hell Jesse Lee Peterson is, but I'll stick with the fathers of Nicea.
@@BrettSayles he is an apostle of the modern age
@@Norffcchippy No. No he's not.
@@BrettSayles reverend apostolic doctor would be more accurate for sure.
@@Norffcchippy Heretic would be more accurate.
@@BrettSayles thassamazin
Jesse Lee Peterson: He black!
Jesus Christ: He God!
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Jesus Christ is not God. NOBODY in Scripture believed or taught that God was born much less that God could die!!!
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There is no Christianity without Christ being God. This is basic understanding, and the foundation of Christianity. It is nonsense to claim he isn’t God.
Completely wrong, many denominations do no see him as God. What is the problem is jesus not being God? Why is it a necessity?
Please do try to explain that.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus himself refers to himself as the godhead in the Gospel
@@stevied3400 ok, please don't assume we are all idiots.
Go see why Unitarians do not accept your interpretation, you'll see that there is a good reason.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Those denominations are not Christian by definition. They can claim to be, but they reject the basics.
@@RudyCarrera Yes yes, only those who accept the basics I deem important qualify for whatever I believe is right.
What is even the point of your comment?
Are you going to represent any point those denominations make and explain logically why you disagree?
Or you are just here to display your self righteousness
we are so back, God bless you David
Finally someone is talking about this heretic
Thank you David God bless
He is not a heretic because he was never orthodox in first place
@@jonathanbravo6385 Is that how that works?
How can the Son also be the Father
@@bubbag8895 tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video 😭
We are so back
Oh wow, I didn't know that Jesse Lee Peterson denied Christ. Time to stop watching his stuff.
Yeah, if a person makes sense on many other things, but this one thing you don't like, then better just avoid him fully.
Such a cult mentality.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 It's because he denies Christ. There is no salvation without Christ. That's the most important thing. If it's a cult mentality, why be here and engage? Why even bother sending a message?
@@harvestcrops3983 because I am trying to be Christ like and show help and love by sharing the truth to you.
The sentence there is no salvation without Christ is a general idea that is abused.
Even jews believe there is no salvation without Christ, but ofc, not the same way you believe.
What does it actually mean to you, there is no salvation without Christ, and what are the bible passages that support what you believe.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who is God, is the only way towards Salvation. Have you not read John, even more specifically John 5 and John 14. I don't even know what you're trying to say. Are you a protestant?
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14: 6
I do not understand how people saying that because you're using large, grandiose, or complex terms/verbiage, that that somehow means that your point is demeaned or invalidated. They're just admitting that they don't understand!
I don't even think I was being "verbose". Pretty much everything I said in that tweet included words that are commonly used.
@@therealMedWhite Maybe it's the fact that logic was being applied, but I'll never know with people nowadays.
Love how bro disappeared for a month and then literally comes back for peak 🗿
With the fire pfp too🔥
Jesse is using exactly the same arguments Mahometans use. AMAZIN!!!
Why does every person who doesn't understand the Trinity always try to refute modalism? Been there, done that.
Also, nice ratio.
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Your channel is underrated
JLP always says crazy shit about Christianity
Glory to Jesus Christ! We are so back. Howdy, David.
God is three persons. Jesus is God and he didn’t pray to himself. He prayed to the Father
Bingo! I once heard someone rightly claim that the root of all theological error is confussing personhood and essence. How hard is it to understand that you do not pray to an essence (no one does), but to a Person?
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We all love Jesse but he needs to come to the Orthodox Church- that’d be truly AMAZIN’
I remember seeing a call in clip when he called the Church Fathers “dummies” - does anyone know where to find this?
They are dummies man get over it
@James-px6hp I also saw that it is a very ignorant thing to.
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It seems people can be deistic, theistic can understand psychological benefits or uses of religion. But the modern mind struggles to have a nuanced theology of God and struggles to see why that is so important for everything
Thank you for your work, David. God Bless 🙏
Jesse might as well become Muslim with these arguments lol
Yeayy!! I miss your Videos Mr. David!!
Great video David we appreciate the effort
Hey David thank you for this video. Those versus in John you were explaining hit me differently this time around. It's literally Jesus rejecting polytheism, in that he doesn't do separate actions as another God, but He is the same God as the father is God.
No way they don't understand what "The Son of God" means, this gotta be some kindergarden level of interpretation 💀
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: the Trinity, one in essence, and undivided.
Glad you’re back, thank you for this video.
JLP or chrysostom 🤔🤔🤔
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A Debate between Militant Thomist and David Erhan would be interesting to see. Does anybody agree?
Wasn't there already one?
@@macedonian-bulgarianorthobro Yes, however I think there needs to be a second one in order to fully address the recent points and accusations made by Militant Thomist.
@@dimitridawydow5176 Honestly, since seeing the first one, I've always thought we needed a debate on the Essence-Energies Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity more than we do on the Filioque. Another Erhan-Wagner debate on that topic would be interesting, but I'm not exactly sure if either of them would want to do something like that.
Jesus said he and the Father are one and when you see him you see the Father. When Thomas said my lord and my God Jesus accepted his wworship not to mention he strictly reinforced monotheism when he preached.
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The Arian heresy has been around a long time.
But it denies the basic revelation that God has made of himself in scripture. The words we use >>Father, Word (Son), Breath (Spirit)>>have been given as sufficient for us human beings, but the reality is divine mystery, far beyond what our limited minds are capable of understanding.
The simple revelation is straightforward. The Creator spun the universes into existence out of nothing by Word and Breath. He sustains the created realms moment by moment through the same. He communicates with his creatures through the same. And at the appropriate time, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Today, the divine Breath dwells with power inside those who will receive him and initiates a new creation.
Hi David, i have difficulty understanding the analogy to fire.
Fire is a chemical reaction between matter and oxygen, producing heat and light, right? Which of these is the Father?
@@MrNickdino there are NO analogies that will equate to God the Father, the Son(Logos) & Holy Spirit.
So many people try to describe an analogy of an infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent being using finite example limited time, space, and matter... all of which God is not limited by.
Think of it like this... as a human "being" you are body, soul, spirit. That is a trinity or tri-unity. Those 3 make you 1 human being.
You are a living 'soul' you animate your 'body' and God Breathed into your lungs the 'breath of life'/ruach/ Spirit. Body, soul, spirit, 3 in 1.
Now it can be made analogous as the Father, Son Holy Spirit.
God the Father would be as the 'Soul',
Jesus, the Son ..the 'body' & the Holy Spirit, the 'Spirit'.. just as your 3..body, soul, spirit making you a human 'being'....
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit make the "being" of God. This is also called the "Godhead".
Here's one you can look up in the bible...
God the Father/Yahuah- God ABOVE US
The Son/IMMANUEL - God WITH us
Holy Spirit. - God IN us
Hmm your typical "I'm a Christian!" While not believing anything Christianity actually entails.
Not that I ever cared for him but this was a surprise
Thanks for video brother
If I shoot a gun and it hits the target, the gun gives me the ability to hit the target. That doesn’t mean I’m the gun or that I possess gun like abilities.
If Jesus can’t do anything without the father, it seems that’s the reason he might think Jesus is not God.
I’m an atheist but I’m trying to figure this stuff out.
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John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
Interesting, but did you fall for a snare?
_"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."_ - *Acts 2:38*
Well, Jesus got baptized, right? What sins of His was he being baptized for to showcase that He had been forgiven? I would argue Jesus was sinless and I assume you would as well, right?
Perhaps part of Jesus completing the prophecy correctly and leading by example fully, was to be a human man perfectly. This would include Him worshipping God, since man should worship God. So, in his humanhood, His God is God... but is man allowed to worship Himself? Well, this headache is avoided by directing worship towards the Father.
Something to consider and just my personal perspective, ya know?
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Good video. Never heard of this Jesse Lee Peterson fellow. Seems like one of those Neo-Arians today who say Christ was just a man or a lesser deity. They've been appearing everywhere for some reason.
@14:20 a human begets human offspring, a deer begets deer offspring, God begets....?
Here's a detailed argument for Jesus being the Son of God, not God Himself:
The Father-Son Relationship
The Bible consistently portrays Jesus as the Son of God, not God Himself. This relationship is a fundamental aspect of Christian theology, and it's essential to understand the nuances of this relationship.
In John 14:28, Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I." This statement is often overlooked or dismissed by those who argue for Jesus' divinity. However, it's a crucial verse that highlights the distinct relationship between Jesus and the Father.
If Jesus is God, as some argue, then it's illogical for Him to say that the Father is greater than Him. God, by definition, is the supreme being, and there is no one greater than Him. Therefore, Jesus' statement implies that He is not God, but rather the Son of God.
The Sonship of Jesus
Throughout the Bible, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, 17:5; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22, 9:35; John 1:34, 1:49). This title emphasizes Jesus' unique relationship with the Father, distinguishing Him from other prophets and messengers.
In Hebrews 1:1-3, the author writes, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power..."
Here, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God, who has been appointed heir of all things. This verse highlights the Father-Son relationship and distinguishes Jesus from the Father.
The Distinction between God and Jesus
In 1 Corinthians 8:6, Paul writes, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
This verse is crucial in understanding the distinction between God (the Father) and Jesus Christ (the Son). Paul writes that there is only one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. This distinction is not just a matter of semantics; it's a fundamental aspect of Christian theology.
The Human Nature of Jesus
The Bible also emphasizes Jesus' human nature. In Hebrews 2:17-18, the author writes, "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
Here, Jesus is described as being "made like unto his brethren," highlighting His human nature. This verse is significant, as it shows that Jesus, as the Son of God, was willing to take on human form and suffer temptation, making Him relatable to humanity.
Jesus' Subordination to the Father
In John 5:19, Jesus says, "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise."
This verse highlights Jesus' subordination to the Father. Jesus cannot act independently of the Father; He can only do what He sees the Father doing. This statement reinforces the idea that Jesus is not God, but rather the Son of God, who is dependent on the Father.
The Role of the Holy Spirit
In John 16:13-14, Jesus says, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."
Here, Jesus speaks about the role of the Holy Spirit, who will guide the disciples into all truth. The Holy Spirit is not God, but rather a distinct entity that will glorify Jesus. This verse reinforces the idea that there is a clear distinction between God (the Father), Jesus (the Son), and the Holy Spirit.
Conclusion
In conclusion, the Bible consistently portrays Jesus as the Son of God, not God Himself. The Father-Son relationship is a fundamental aspect of Christian theology, and it's essential to understand the nuances of this relationship.
The distinction between God (the Father) and Jesus Christ (the Son) is clear, and the Bible emphasizes Jesus' human nature. Jesus' subordination to the Father and the role of the Holy Spirit also reinforce the idea that Jesus is not God, but rather the Son of God.
Therefore, I argue that Jesus is the Son of God, not God Himself.
Additional References
John 8:17-18: Jesus says, "I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." This verse highlights the distinct relationship between Jesus and the Father.
Matthew 11:27: Jesus says, "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." This verse emphasizes the unique relationship between Jesus and the Father.
Hebrews 5:8: The author writes, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." This verse highlights Jesus' human nature and His obedience to the Father.
Why would we waste time on a heresy we dealt with 1700 years ago?
@@sidewaysfcs0718 history repeats and most of today's heresies and philosophical missteps in general were "solved" centuries ago, people don't read anymore
Where you been man? Been too long.
TD Jakes is a modalist who also denies the Trinity.
The “heat of the fire is the fire itself?” - Really? This is an illogical and incoherent claim. Heat is produced by fire, and metaphysical causation or priority suggests that the Father actually causes the Son, irrespective of whether this is atemporal or not. This means that the Son lacks aseity though possessing eternality. Then, using “God” in equivocal ways in reference to the Trinity is philosophically plausible but biblically irreconcilable. If the essence is called “God”, and all three distinct divine persons possess the essence of ”fully”, this results in blatant tritheism, doesn’t it?
You should go to his show and have a nice friendly chat
Timezone difference, I don't think I'll be up on a random day when he is on.
@@therealMedWhite Well it's a real shame. That would be definitely a good talk.
Jesse is more of a entertainer like Sam Hyde. AMAZIN!!!
Greg Stafford on his channel CW Jah tube totally destroys the false teachings of the Trinity!!
How is the average Protestant pastor like this :/
Basically jesse limits gods' omniscience
bro how can i completely defeeat lust
Reformed Presbyterian here. All the church fathers and obviously the bible clearly states the Trinity and that Jesus is fully God and Man.
If you deny the Nicene creed you are a heritic and need to repent.
JLP is a great guy. Brother Augustine did a take down of Jesse’s theology a couple years ago.
1:10 the praying to himself argument is intellectually false and dishonest, in Jeremiah 18, when a nation does Good God Repents of the Evil he would have purposed as a result of their sin, and when they’re stiffnecked he repents of the blessings he would have sent for their righteousness, so If God in his highest state will repent TO HIMSELF, than he in his Flesh form his MOST HUMBLE FORM will of course pray to himself as well. Literally had to log in to x scroll to this post and just put this out there because this argument makes no sense as soon as i saw it thanks to the Jeremiah verse, STAY IN YOUR BIBLE, it will give you a mouth to speak that nobody can gainsay or refute✝️=❤️
AMAZING!
Thank you.
UHmaZIN
I pray for JLP conversion. But he has rejected the truth.
Son of God, simple
Gang finna slide on JLP 😤💥💥💯💯
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david
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JLP's back is going to look like whipped peat after after this video
Ole Uncle Jesse is stirring 'em up like Good Old Nattie.
Trinity is pagan
JLP is 😂, but he’s not a great Christian at all, he’s supper funny though
Maybe I am in the minority, but can you really blame anybody for getting confused about the Trinity, when abstract thinking is required to understand the concept?
Nobody is blaming people for being confused about it, rather blaming them being purposefully dense when denying it.
@@buddyduddyful JLP sure does talk a lot for being confused
Meh
Let’s see if any Trinitarian on here can answer the question that Sam Shamoun ran from when I asked him: Can you be something before you “become” that something? For example, was Adam “a living soul before he became “a living soul? If not then ask yourself; When did Jesus become “a life-giving spirit”?-1 Cor. 15:45 And if God is eternally spirit how is it that Christ had to “become” a spirit? Good luck! 😂
tackle dr Dale Tuggy
Dr Beau Branson is co-authoring a book with him on the logical problem of the Trinity. Should be good. I'd love to hear David and FrDcn Ananias address Dale's arguments.
He honestly makes the same arguments on Twitter.
@@dustins382 oh wow is this Dustin Smith himself personally?
@@cunjoz no idk who that is but it's not me.
Your analogy is so stupid, the heat and the light are not the fire.
Heat is heat and light is light.
There can be heat without light and light without heat (far away).
They have completely different qualities.... While Trinity means that the light is the heat, because the father is the son and the son is also the spirit.
If the son is not the father, then you have 3 different beings in the Trinity. Like you said, the light must be the fire.
Also, the fire is a general term that holds inside it heat and light, but heat and light do not hold inside them fire. Clearly they are not the same.
There is no perfect logical explanations for Trinity, that is why it is the mystery understood by faith alone. To assume you can understand it without faith by explanation is to go against the church fathers...
You make a mistake, light always involves heat, doesn't matter if you can't feel it because it isn't strong enough.
But your conclusion seems plausible to me.
@@MrNickdino well if you consider any energy to be heat then you would be correct.
But in human experience, there is light without heat (certain bugs at night). There is also energy without light, electrons moving inside wood.
Ofc it is a matter of scale and perspective, since our scale is things like fire and our perspective is human, it is correct to say that some light does not have heat.
A better analogy for trinity is - trinity = reality.
Reality is
1. What we do not know - death
2. What we know - life
3. What can be changed - force of life (free will)
These three things are basic components of our reality, and this God who is reality itself as his name Jehovah suggests.
The father takes the role of the unknown - the distant, the less approachable.
The son is God in reality itself, in the approachable, it is through approachable reality we connect to the unapproachable reality (higher realms, spiritual realm etc)
The holy Spirit is the choice between living with meaning and obedience to God or without. And according to that a force is applied that shapes your life.
Denying anyone of these 3 aspects about God is heresy.
God will always have an unknown side.
God will always be approachable through everything that we can know in reality itself
God not only is approachable in reality, but actively can change it - that is the holy Spirit.
The only problem with this idea of Trinity is that you are expected to see jesus as a representation of God on earth, not literal God. While scripture has no problem with that, mainstream interpretations will label you heretical.
But let us ask something, how can we say that God is approachable through reality?
-because it is created by him, through him and maintained by him, thus a tree is an example of his pure will in reality, and when you examine closely the will of God manifest, you will get to know God.
Same thing when you meet a righteous man that has given everything to live for God. This man has truly surrendered and his will is only to serve God truly, thus, he is an example of the will of God, and through him one can see God.
The New Testament is not scripture.
The Father alone is God. Jesus is the suffering servant. Jesus is the man who would live holy promised in Genesis 3:15. Moses taught Jesus was a prophet like him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
Jesse Lee Peterson is correct. Jesus is not God. Jesus has a God, you *cannot* be God when you have a God, period!
My dear christian jesus is not God .is father God name??whats jews God name??
No Trynity False teaching Its baylonian, And yes Yeshua Is not YHVH. the scriptures never teach the son is God , your just twisting the Words to your own Destruction. Truth
Jesus is not God. He’s the Son of God. Specifically the firstborn Son of the New Covenant. Jesus is the Lord (made Lord) and the anointed God, both terms meaning human leader. The Orthodoxy is illiterate to the fact that men were called Lords and Gods in antiquity. Jesus explains this in John 10:31-39 where He points out the Israelite council was called Gods in Psalms 82.
Jesse as usual spouting truths that people can't handle, be it woke people or brain washed Christians.
I stick with Gods word. Jesus is not the Most High God. Mk 5:7 ,Jesus is the son of the living God. Mt16:16 Only the Father is the Supreme Deity. I Cor8:6 Eph4:6 1Tim2:5 Jesus is subject to his God forever. 1Cor15:24,27
David I thank God that you are down to earth. No tinsel and bubbles!! God keep you
One thing tho and it's seems to be common on orthodox CZcams apologists..... Ye don't pray at beginning....... Thats one of the main objectives of sound theology, surely...... No matter how good and skilled our sowing and watering, we are nothing and it is only God gives increase.
Matthew 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
5 views in 2 minutes im sorry David I think you fell off
Jesus is not god jehovah is the true god and there is no trinity
Uhmazin!
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