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Demonstrated by Steve "Frog" Forgey
Filmed, Edited and Produced by Michael Erlewine
Absolutely the best video on setting up a pedalboard. Clear, concise, and not trying to sell a specific product. Sounds pretty damn good too!
Finally, a straight-forward, graphic explanation without a lot of blaring guitar riffs. THANK YOU.
Pedal chains are always a hot topic. Thanks for making sense of it. You've helped me understand the chain better.
Thank you for your plain language, common-sense suggestions for pedal order. Thank you also for not having blaring guitar licks every 30 seconds. I've come away with a lot of useful advice.
+Jim Baritone I totally agree
Graphic at 3:42 - Simple, effective, great stuff.
For all those asking about Noise gate placement in the chain - that is tricky - there isn't just one place it could/should go.
The short answer is “after the point where there’s noise.” But it’s often more complicated, because noise can occur at many points in a signal chain. That’s why some noise gates includes both a main input/output section to plug into an amp and an insert for connecting your noisy effects into a separate loop for reduction at multiple points in your signal chain.
If you are not using a delay or a reverb, go for the end of the chain. If you are, place the noise gate before these effects, otherwise it will interfere with their performance. Some also like to put their noise gate after their high gain pedals such as overdrives or distortions. That way the pedal kicks in to deal with the noise produced by these effects when a lot of gain is pushed into the signal.
In general, if you’re not sure where to best position your noise gate, listen to your signal at different points in the chain; listen to just the pickups on your guitar through a clean amp, then to your amp with no effects, then with one effect at a time, and so on, to determine where the noise is worst. Placing a noise gate after that point is a good bet. And if you find that there’s so much noise that you’re clamping down to the point that it degrades your signal, try using multiple noise gates on mild settings at several points in the chain to tamp down the noise, before it is amplified by other processors and circuits.
Remember in all cases to place any noise reduction processing before delay or reverb effects, as the noise reduction will have a tendency to clamp down on reverb tails and softer echo effects.
You explained the signal chain really clearly. Good job and also your tone is nice. You seem to be a BOSS fan. I also have three BOSSES on my board.
Your first 3:59 are hands down the clearest and most logical presentation of conventional pedal board wisdom I've ever seen--and there are plenty of exemplary presentations in print and on CZcams. And nobody did the sequential presentation of visuals like you did--there is a difference between the more abstract, categorical nature of the gradual building of the diagram and the concrete, literal, and specific information given by someone talking about their pedal board which can be seen in its entirety. I find your style reinforces the verbal information much more than the usual point and talk style in, say, another superb video, "Perfect Pedal Order with Steve Vai," which is another brilliant take on conventional pedal wisdom, his personal board, and then, of course, a blend of a plug for the new Waza craft pedals as an update of Vai's board which uses older BOSS pedals. But your first 3:39 are more concise and informative than Vai's 10 minutes or more. And there's no fumbling with real time settings, adjustments, etc. Ba-bim, ba-bam, ba-boom!
Ive had a line 6 amp and mk2 shortboard fbv pedal, very lazy i know but im self taught and have no clue about setting up. Ive taken the plunge and am now wanting to experiment with indivdual pedals, so ive bought 9 pedals, psu and pedal board.
To cut a long story short, this video has really helped me out, great video, easy to understand, so massive thankyou dude,
Shot uk 👊
Excellent presentation. You didn’t focus on it but did demonstrate light overdrive => heavier overdrive => distortion. Fantastic starting point BUT I suggest keeping an open mind and playing around with order and stacking pedals. I’ve found some really cool sounds accidentally leaving a pedal on and adding another that I thought was “incompatible”.
One of the best , easiest , clear and enjoybable videos about this topic. Great Job ! ( many of the other youtube videos on this subject simply ramble on too much and dont offer too much clarity )
Thank you for this information.... truly the best pedal chain demonstration I have seen thus far.... all the best from Texas.
No... All the best from Illinois.
Great Rundown! Got a lot of clear info in 12 minutes! Thanks for not wasting my time!
Love that purple vox ac15! Gives me a late 80s-90s vibe. Awesome!
Totally great review. I love your gear/set-up. Thanks a million. I feel I learned quite a bit. presentation AAA+. Thank you Shawn S. The best and most comprehensive demo ever.
Great tutorial, sharp and common sense. Thanks
This is the tutorial that i was looking for...thnx sir🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙏🙏🙏🙏
Very helpful. Hows and whys explained in a very clear and easily understood way. I thank you, sir!
Great Demonstration Steve.
Exellent video, love the diagram as well 👍
Thanks for the information. This instructional video makes sense. Well done.
Great video, thanks!. Actually I would say this is the best video explaining this matter.
I agree fully. Great wisdom with minimal (if any) arrogance.
Is there a noise gate pedal that you would recommend, and where in the signal chain would you recommend putting the noise gate? In an effects loop or in front of the amp?
I think most people will find a phaser, among other types, before dirt sounds best, because of how it cycles. A boost depends on how you wanna use it; if you want your dirt tone louder, put it after, if you wanna stack or push your dirt harder, place it before. A comp should go after your distortions, because they themselves are compressing, so hitting those already compressed, kills your dynamics. Just my two cents.
you also have another new subscriber, you explain this really well thank you
Great video. If you use a multi fx board like the boss GT 100 etc, would you use the same structure / setup?
great presentation, you is the man learned alot dedicated to truth thanks my ninja
Your own board and explanation perfectly exemplify what you said in the first 3:59. Impeccable bartender's logic for your cocktail. Nice sound bytes on the buddy guy wah. never heard it before.
A question I keep forgetting: Many, many writers or video makers insist that a) the tuner should go first because that way it gets the cleanest signal and will be more accurate; b) the wah should go first because it absolutely has to interact directly with your guitar signal; c) a Fuzz Face should go first because, to get classic fuzz tones, nothing can come between it and your guitar signal.
How would you sort these out?
Another question: Wahs often sound, well, execrable after a fuzz face and a wah directly into a fuzz face is a pretty wild ride (the inevitable Jimi Hendrix mention notwithstanding; we don't know what was stock or what was tweaked by Roger Mayer, plus Jimi was playing into triple Marshall stacks that were allegedly dimed). There are many sites and demos devoted to the vexing wah-Fuzz Face interaction. What are your thoughts? Some suggest a buffer between the two.
Of course, follow your ears, but my ears told me to watch your video and ask you these questions. Thanks again!
"this one happens to be.. PURPLE!"
Great Job Frog!
Thank you. I needed that info. Very nice.
Lonnie Mack? Played bass on Roadhouse Blues and influenced SRV wrote Wham! Lonnie Mack? Too cool, good video
How about an amp with an effects loop?
Wonderful explanation, learning a lot. A question, in this chain of signal that you exposed in which you have the modeling pedals phaser, chorus, flanger, tremolo, where would a vibrato effect be better among this chain of pedals?
Fantastic job. Thanks so much!
where should i put a looper in the chain?
Try to separate the vol and wha from the loop. It keeps (my) wha and natural tones bright and crisp.
Vol Ped > Wha > Front of amp All other parts of your chain in the FX loop
I have EMGs with heavy distortion should I put the compressor after the distortion pedal?
Any suggestions as to where to place a synth pedal? I guess in the coloring section?
I Have the same two Boss pedals.... Flange and Chorus.....Question is, I want to loop them through the Boss NS2. and fx loop on amp head. Have all the other pedals...aka DIST.....EQ....COMP And OD. and Wah. ...should the Wah also go into loop. Please Help.
PURPLE!!!
The effect of a booster changes depending where it is in the chain. After distortion and fuzz boosts volume. Before boosts gain.
In cases where you would use a Buffer, where would you put it? and how about the octaver pedals like POG?
Perhaps the most important pedal missed. Where to put the looper?
Great demo!!!…Just bought a Boss Octave pedal and the Boss Harmonist pedal that I have yet to play with..Thinking the Octave down pedal first in the chain and than Harmony after my boost / dirt pedals?…Gotta sit down and experiment I guess?
Great instructor 👍🏼
if your running a wha and a old type fuzz face pedal put the boss tuner between them. The boss tuner has an active buffer in it thats on even when the pedal is off, kills the oscillation.
Is Line 6 FM4 an equalizer or some sort of phase pedal please? Not sure where to put it in my chain. Any ideas?
Very nice video and your tone is amazing. I have a question. Where should a univibe be placed in the chain. I have just about all your pedals on my board, but trying to place the univibe in my chain also. What’s the best or logical place in the chain to place it? Thank you
Nice explanation, thank you.
Good Setting I like it
Thank you for sharing! I am thinking of buying a DigiTech FreqOut Natural Feedback Creator pedal, where would I put that in the chain diagram you have in this video? Thank you =)
hi i use a boss me50 all in one im just a rhythm player i go through the pa no guitar amp i was thinking of eq pedal just to change the tone of the guitar what way should i wire it up thanks nice vid thanks.
Many thanks!
Thanks
what would your logical order be for these pedals..i play bass but regardless of guitars, there would be a logical sequence...so plz help me out here
1) Bass to Darkglass B7K to
2) Boss ODB3 Overdrive to
3) Ibanez Bass Tubescreamer TS9B to
4) Boss Metalzsone MT2 to
5) US Metal 21 to
6) amp
thanx in advance
1) turn up your volume and save 100$ on a booster 😂
Where would you put amp simulator pedals. I know they are made to go into the effect send jack but if you were using them on this pedal board.
What if you have multi effects pedal board and then single pedals does that matter what order? I have boss me80 but then I have old boss phasers, delays, chorus, tc delays and strymon big sky....
"These fuckin guys and their electric gizmos don't know what the hell they're doing"
You also appreciate the late, great Lonnie Mack!
Where should you put an acoustic simulator in the signal chain?
Good question.
Before amp dud
Will York Music you dont
I've heard people that say they use 2 compressor pedals, 1st one early in the chain, and the 2nd one at the tail.... any thoughts ? ( I have 2 compressor peals from different manufacturers, each with different tones )
are phase 90 considered compressors? also I have a smart gate pedal where would that go? towards the end or front of the chain?
Tuner should be the firts in line right?
Here’s my order of BOSS pedals. What do you think?
Guitar
Tuner TU-3
Wah PW-3
Super OverDrive SD-1
Blues Driver BD-2
Turbo Distortion FS-2
Fuzz FZ-5
Super Octave OC-3
Digital Delay DD-3
Flanger BF-3
Vibrato VB-2w
Reverb RV-6
Tremolo TR-2
Loop Station RC-1
Amplifier
Where would you put a envelope filter?
wah wah outside the box. i agree. mine is george lynch dragon wah
Where do you put a noise gate?
Hello, I am new to the Pedal World and was wondering if the following chain makes sense? I realize that there isn't a "set" or "correct" method, but I would like to make sure that I am not destroying my signal or tonal integrity. My chain is as follows: Guitar --> tuner --> whammy --> wah --> noise gate input --> noise gate send --> compressor --> heavy metal --> tube screamer --> boost --> EQ --> flanger --> noise gate return --> noise gate output --> amp. Thank you so much for the help.
+Joshua Whittemore Hi Joshua, thanks for the comment! If you have questions for Frog, it's best to email him directly here: frog@elderly.com
Need to jam 5 more noise gates in there. HA!
You have a collection of gates. What are you powering your pedals with? May want a Voodoo power supply or some kind of filtered power. ( I know this gear cost a few bucks! ) Also you may want to get a Hum X for your power out of the wall. Maybe that will control the noise instead of the compressor or gate. I'd try 1 gate/compressor at the end of the chain. May not squish and kill your tones as much.
Are all of the pedals going straight through into the amp or do you have any going into the effects loop?
Thanks a ton!!!
I find that putting the booster at the end of the chain sounds a lot nicer in tones. I tried it before my distortion and it sounded like crap.
Hello Mr. Frog
My name is Tony I love both rhythm and lead and want to do both.
I have currently 8 pedals and was wondering based on them which would order/ones would service my dual function?
I have currently a
1)Ernie Ball Jr. 250 volume pedal
2)DigiTech Whammy IV
3)MXR Micro Amp
4)MXR Smart Gate
5)MXR Phase 90
6)MXR Analog Chorus
7)Boss Distortion DS-1
8)Ibanez Tube Screamer/TSDX
where can i put my Passive Volume Pedal and a Shure Glxd16 Wireless System?,,,,,
Can I use a MXR Comp pedal with my digital pedals?
Thankyou.
where would you place aby box
where to place harmonist pedal?
Where would u put a loop pedal
ThankYou
do you run these through the effects loop or from the guitar to the amp?
got a serious question for you.. logic would say.. put the tuner 1st. I have one of the boss tuners. ok. I also have a small red germanium fuzz face pedal.. now, someone said that the fuzz face, for some reason, MUST come 1st, before anything.. is that true? I also have a cry baby classic wah pedal.. what is the right order for these pedals? i also have the same compressor, a fat boost, I have a chorus, phaser, harmonist, and I have an analog delay, and digital delay pedals set up last.. I have reverb in the amp, so I do not need a reverb pedal.. I do NOT have an eq, noise gate or a tremolo pedal, can not afford it yet.. I also have them all in a chain going into the front of the amp..I do not really understand the part about some effects going into the front, and some going into the effects loop in back.. my amp is a Marshall JCM 2000 40 watt combo amp, made in England, not one of the Vietnam specials.. it has great gain, I do not really need any distortion pedals, really, I had a big muff pedal but it was way too big to put on my pedal board.. so I took it off. the only problem is, this amp has good gain, but no thickness, no bass, even if I turn the bass all the way up. and leave the mid and treble like 1/2 way up.. can you help me out here? What is the correct order to put this stuff in, and dos the fuzz face have to go absolutely 1st in the order? I would think that would mess up the tuner..also which goes 1st, fuzz or wah? I have fairly good gear, but cant seem to maximize the potential of it.. I play an American made Fender Stratocaster 2006 year model, stock pickups..so what to do, can you help me out here? thanks!!
+Michael Craig Hi Michael, thanks for the comment! If you have questions for Frog, it's best to email him directly here: frog@elderly.com
Hi , I have just purchased this pedal as my first pedal ever. I am a beginner been playing around 6 month and am looking to achieve a John Mayer tone. Obviously the joyo is a price friendly pedal and seems to be getting great reviews. Can you tell me some more joyo pedals to buy and add to my collection so I can try to achieve that John Mayer tone. I think a clean glass would be good for a clean boost. Please advise what you would buy for the John Mayer tone. Hope to hear from you soon Liam
Liam James Kent don't just stick with one brand!
hi guys.i have one reverb pedal,one delay pedal,one multi and a looper in a behringer pb600 pedalboard.how can I connect them to have different effect on every layout?for example,i want to put distortion on solo,delay on chords and reverb on vocals.i saw a lot musicians adding a lot effects on every phrase they create with loopers and I don't know how they do it.i can't use specific effects on specific loop.if I use echo-for example-then,ALL my loops will have echo and I don't want this.please any help?
your looper has to be last on your board if u have it first ur not recording the effects just the clean guitar
Say my chain is for synths where would I put a filter effect ?
Personally I have my priceless EP3 boost last in chain as it rolls off the high end and thickens the sound. A compressor will thicken and fatten the sound without need to pre boost. Less is more w compression. Everything else is dead on.
i like this video.
great were's the noise suppressor? no one answers.
I like to take all the modulation , time based ect and put them in the fx loop. To me that is a lot to crash into the front of an amp.
what about Octave and Harmonising pedals
Hey hi, uh I have a question...and it's this, I agree with the order that you present in this video but my question is this... from my guitar I go into the tuner... and then the colouring devices... and right after the colouring devices before the motion devices... I put my boost because if I put my boost before the colouring devices it just adds more compression rather than boosting the signal and if I put the boost after the colouring devices than it really gives me more dbs, it boosts the signal rather than simply compresing it...what's your view on this? I'm just curious because I see a lot of guitarists putting the boost before the colouring devices. Thanks. Mike.
+Purple Haze If you have questions on how to set up your pedal chain, you can contact Frog directly: frog@elderly.com
ElderlyInstruments Okay hey thanks a lot, take care Mike.
thanks,man
Hi !! How about Volume pedal?
Noise gate?
what about a noise gate?
There is no Noise gate?where should i put my NG?
Cotton Candy I put mine first. I’m no expert though
where does a suppressor to plz help thx
How do you remove static, or unwanted noise? That is the mystery some people have, and go to effect boards.
+Jeff Ragencobra It's best to contact Frog directly: frog@elderly.com
Shoot him an email and he'll get back to you with personalized advice.
+Jeff Ragencobra Great question.... what I did (because I usually play a G&L Legacy with single coils)... is purchase and use a Boss NS-1.... one can dial up the noise suppression level to clip above the buzz, hum and static... then will decay gradually as the sound decreases.... very helpful if used properly.
Did he mention Jeff Lang at around 8:30???
no he said 'JET PLANE' referring to the Boss Flanger
can you show how to connect the wiring