Something that shouldn't be underestimated here is that the sannin are old team members who know how to fight together. The Kage do not have that synergy or familiarity.
Also this is FALSE because during the 4th great shinobi war against Obito and madara and against tailed beast they showed ALOT of teamwork. So 5 Kage vs 3 Sannin would lose.
Something to keep in mind, the Sanin are considered Hokage candidates without Sage Mode, One Thousand Healings and Hydra. Those are all unknown techniques and Tsunade was considered a Hokage candidate without it.
Alot of people don't mention this bt Orochimaru was also in a way holding back against Hiruzen because he was simply toying with him and the fact that he was underestimating Hiruzen led to his downfall....if he took Hiruzen seriously Orochimaru would have easily killed Hiruzen with his Edo Hokages
They do this in the manga too I meant the actual fight and not the marathon that is Hiruzen trying to take his soul 😂😂 that shit did feel like it took an eternity
Mei gets really underestimated in these versus battles. Are we just gonna ignore that she is the only character to melt the Susano? Her attack potency is no joke, screen time is the only factor holding her back.
Mei has no attack potency lmao, the steam is more of a hack rather than physical AP. Mei isn’t doing anything to Tsunade. She might fuck up Jiraiya tho
@@cj4ev3r26 There is not much I can say about it being a hack, other than it seemed op and was never used again. But, if we are to take it at face value like we took all the "lore" from early naruto, there is nothing Tsunade can do about it. It melted the susano ribcage, and Tsunade's body has nowhere near that level of endurance. We've seen susanos battling and even they can not break each other. You can say she can regenerate faster than the steam can melt, then fair point, but it does not last for that long.
@@johnmoshos2435 Unfortunately, the steam technique from Mei requires a narrow and closed area. In this area she has also to make sure there are no allies otherwise they get caught up as well into the acid steam. Otherwise in the open she is using more her lava style to shoot out lava layers on people. But this one never penetrated the Susanoo.
Sannin vs War arc eternal rivals minus DMS and 8th Gates is a pretty interesting topic. War arc Ino-Shika-Cho vs Sasuke-less Taka (personally I love this idea). Scaling the 5 kage bodyguards (seriously no one on youtube to my knowledge has scaling of kurotsuchi, chojuro, and darui). Making a team to beat the akatsuki using Jonin from different villages.
Also another thing to consider for Orochimaru's edo tensei is to resurrect his Sound 4 and/or Kimimaro. Infinite chakra and regen on those 5 or just Kimi definitely puts the match in sannin favor. And these are corpses Orochi definitely has on lock.
The Sanin win with low difficulty. You'd have to nerf the Sanin in order for the Kage to stand a chance. Sanin start with 3 way summoning, then Orichimaru edo summons the sound 4. Then Jiraya has time to go sage mode. What people miss about Jiraya is that the sage mode took long because he wanted to summon MA and PA, otherwise, it doesn't take as long as he did against Pain. There is also frog kumatie, which allows Jiraya to sense danger and can almost counter any attack. None of the Kage can tank odama rasengan except maybe the Raikage which Jiraya can just put in a frog mouth. Then there's Jiraya with genjutsu which is petty much game over for the Kage. PA and MA are an extra set of eyes, no way is the Raikage getting near him. They have healing via Katsuyu, and can share info via Katsuyu pieces. The Sanin know reverse summoning, Jiraya can take displace the kages with toad mouth reverse summoning. The Kage lose badly.
Jiraya needed Ma and Pa for the sage mode, it didn't just took time because he wanted to summon, it took time because he isn't very good at it. Summons would be useless, far too big and easy of a target for Onoki. Raikage would indeed get near him, Jiraya got blitzed by a mere pain path, who scales not even close to the Raikage. Sound genjutsu isn't all that useful, it worked really well in the Pain fight because he was in a very tight space, and his opponent couldn't see the jutsu being cast, in an open battle it would be easly avoidable as are immensly faster then sound. You are making far too big of a deal of Jiraya, he is nowhere near that good
@@ricardocorreia7962 go read the data books dude... Jiraya can enter sage mode without PA and MA. However it will be imperfect sage mode which he cannot maintain for too long, that's why PA and MA are there to help him maintain it for long and also be the 2 extra set of eyes. Jiraya didn't get blitzed by any path of Pain, unless you consider being caught off guard being blitzed, I mean dude stop making up stuff. I can also say the Raikage got blitzed by Jugo at the Kage summit. Summons will be useful because if Onoki has to use particle style on the toads, that includes Manda and Katsuyu, then he will exhaust his charka, and thus be useless. Gobread the data books and check prowess and power of reverse summons by Jiraya...
@@moeketsigeorge1932 You said there is no way the Raikage could get near Jiraya, that's why I gave the example of Jiraya being caught be the Pain path. If a Path Of Pain massively slower than the Raikage can be get to Jiraya it just proves his sensory abilities, reactions and speed would have, at the very least, serious trouble with the Raikage. The Raikage also seems to relative to the 8 Tails, which even Pain doesn't seem to match all that favorably, and all know what Pain did to Jiraya. Even in terms of pure scaling, there is little to suggest Jiraya is as strong or stronger than the Raikage, on the contrary in fact. And the Raikage himself is likely not even the strongest of the 5 kage, Onoki could very well be scaled above him. Jiraya isn't all that great
@@ricardocorreia7962 dude I said with frog kumitei and the song genjutsu, no way is the Raikage getting near Jiraya. How would the Raikage counter that genjutsu? He can out run visual genjutsu, but how would he outrun something that he doesn't even know is coming? 8 tails alone isn't a treat, unless you mean Bee with the 8 tails which was already stated to be stronger than the Raikage. Don't even try to suggest that the Raikage is stronger than Pain because I'm gonna laugh. How would the Raikage survive Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei? Add the Gedo statue soul ripper. What sensory skills does he have to track Pain with that invisible chameleon? Pain would hide in that just as Nagato did and then hit a surprise Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei of which it took KCM Naruto, Bee and Itachi to counter Chibaku Tensei, the same Naruto had speed blitzed the Raikage earlier on...
@@moeketsigeorge1932 You are confusing Nagato and Pain, Edo Tensei Nagato was clearly leagues above Pain. Considering how much Pain was getting pressed by 6 Tails Naruto it is more than fair to say the 8 Tails, and as such the Raikage, would fair pretty well against it. Things such as the chameleon is just really not relevant, it would get bodied whenever it attacked. The Soul Dragon Attack is strong, but then again, if Hanzo avoided it the Raikage would surely do it. Genjutsu is the only argument one could make for Jiraya, but as I said if the Raikage saw the toads emitting sound he would probably quickly come to the decision of getting away.
@@ThunderGodTG I'm kind of geeking out that you replied. I'm usually a Six or Swagkage viewer but you popped up in my timeline one day and I took a leap and I don't regret it. Your takes are unique and usually mad on point and your videos are fun and high quality. All in all you're an awesome creator and we need more like you in the community. keep it up!
Interesting versus, if I remember correctly I'm very sure either the databook or character profiles when all Sannin have been introduced (would be the 2nd databook which is the events between Konoha Crush and Naruto & the time skip including Kakashi Gaiden chapters) but it states the Sannin collective might rivals or surpasses the Gokage. It's unknown whether this Gokage included Hiruzen or Tsunade as the Hokage and like you said, it's arguable that the Gokage got stronger with Gaara being an obvious but considering part 1 Gokage has Yagura instead of Mei is even more interesting. Personally, I think if this is Shippuden era at full power (Orochimaru in war arc or 8 Headed Hydra) then the Sannin take it in a 4v3. The full power display of the Gokage against Madara can't be done here since Tsunade was giving Onoki 100 Healings chakra supply for that particle style which 100 Healings does give a physical and all-around chakra boost. Plus, I think the main win con is having 2 Sage Mode toad summons both capable of fighting in aid with Sannin level characters or higher and Pa being shown to outright beat Sage Naruto in kumite training.
Dude a lot of ninja would willing to give their life to protect what they believe in, a lot of fodder Shinobi attacked pain also a lot of fodder Shinobi attacked Madara and they know their far inferior to them,so Tsunade preparing to fighting the raikage doesn't mean she thinks she relative that's not a good argument although I do think she's relative but the argument u use to support that she's relative is not a good one
Orochimaru was Akastuki, but he can summon perfected edo tensei of kage that can body akatsuki members because they can fight at a level that scale to Juubito. Imagine of Orochimaru summoned all 4 kage and helped Sasuke attack the leaf village. Better yet, let him take Sasuke's body after he got EMS. Make him capable of fully manipulated all four kage using genjustsu and edo tensei hax. IJS, he would be a bigger threat than Kabuto, who couldnt control Madara or Itachi.
When he was in the Akatsuki he didn’t have the stronger edo summons, that didn’t come till kabuto made it better. And it wouldn’t matter cuz hashirama would break free and body Minato and tobirama
So i think this fight is a lot closer than you might think. I argued this with a friend and we came to the follow conclusion ( note we substituted tsunade for danzo since we felt that made sense but i think it only moderately changes the fight) 1. Ohnoki is the hardest counter to tsunade you could get. either the other two have to protect her which causes problems in its own right or this will quickly free up him to support one of the other bullet points below ( we settled on dealing with the summons or orochimaru) 2. Base jiraiya is one of the most effective long range fighters in the series and while many people will say he is staying back to summon sage mode i think its far more likely he is using his hair and fire style jutsu to support tsunade and force responses for his long range jutsu. this is where mei would come in as her lava style burns his hair and water style should at least mitigate the damage of his firestyle jutsu. His oil would only strengthen her attacks. If one of the others ( namely orchimaru since point 1) goes out of the way to remove her it leaves him open to attack from the raikage. ( will address sage mode later) 3. The raikage is fast and should be able to pressure orochimaru into minimal interference with other sannin fights. Even if you think that orichimmaru is significantly stronger then orchimaru as i do its not significant enough that it prevents any of the others from completing any of the other points. 4 Gaara can serve as a delaying faster for the summons. If you substitute tsunade for danzo you would give him this role as well as with his great wind style feats and big summon he should be able to help with the toad summons by buffing mei's attacks. But if you just have gaara he serves as a flex stopping interference form the summons before ohnoki can take out tsunade. With this in mind ohnoki would take out tsunade freeing gaara to support either mei or the raikage and allowing ohnoki to damage the summons. This would make it a 2v 4 and i think its very likely that gaara and mei would be enough to handle base jaraiya until ohnoki is done with the summons. Eventually it goes through a domino effect where tsunade, then jaraiya, then orochimaru fall. If you believe jaraiya is trying to do sage mode it only frees mei to go after the summons and garentees that tsunade is taken out by ohnoki. This leaves 3 kage to attack him and his summons. With that i think its unlikely that he can attain sage mode and falls in the domino order as before. The only way i can see jaraiya getting into sage mode is if orochimaru has prepared summons and goes right after mei in a way that doesn't result in him getting decked by the raikage. This would result in a 2 on 3 which may be winnable if he plays as annoying as possible to allow jaraiya to enter sage mode.
I honestly think it's a 5 kage stomp (obviously this is if you dont count the use of Edo Tensei). I'd argue the raikage and Ohnoki can take the sannin by themselves. I personally scale all 3 sannin below 5ks Sasuke physically so they're sitting ducks for particle style as in character Ohnoki tries to end fights quickly and he was essentially able to blitz sasuke. The 3 sannin are also all physically inferior to KCM Naruto who allegedly would have been 1shot by the Raikage had he connected a V2 punch with him. So both Ohnoki and the Raikage have 1shot capabilites on any of the 3 sannin fairly casually without any help from the other, let alone if Ohnoki uses the lightening jutsu on the Raikage. I don't think sage mode makes a difference for jiraiya, and I think 100 healing only saves tsunade from the raikage not Ohnoki. I do think Zetsu absorbed orochimaru is a difference maker since in part 1 he was already implied to be above the other sannin who are relative to the 5 kage when he had no hands, he now has his arms back with a much improved body. So with Zetsu absorbed he should be a tier above the kage maybe even into the edo hiruzen/tobirama tiers of strength, which supercedes the 5kage. Safe to say if you add Gaara, Mei, and Danzo the 5 kage have a fairly safe win.
I gave him immaculate praise, bros broken, I just feel like a lot of people do the = Hiruzen to slide him up a lot when I think it’s HIGHLY debatable at least at that point
@@ThunderGodTG I’m too biased I put sannin and Sarutobi high ball they have so many hacks loving the videos you are putting up ( more onoki and Danzo please ) ❤️
(Six paths of Pain) one scenario, (Edo Tensei Nagato)2nd fight VS killer bee & A, (Fourth Raikage) I think that would be a good match up, like if you agree.
Raikage and Tsuchikage are negging any of the Sannin individually due to Ay’s insanely superior stats that they can’t get around and Onoki’s speed, mobility and hax that they can’t get around considering even MS Sasuke and Madara’s Full Body Susanoo Wood Clones couldn’t get away
@@jocoolshow Raikage and Tsuchikage lack any real means to beat Orochimaru. Orochimarus one weakness is genjutsu. He outclasses literally everyone else in power, versatility, IQ and durability. Speed isn’t a factor here if Sasuke can hold his own with Aye then Orochimaru will have no trouble at all. Orochimaru > Hiruzen who was the most powerful Kage at the time of his reign which includes Aye and Ohnoki. Not to mention Deidara is equal to Ohnoki and Orochi is above Deidara
I believe the sanin got this like yea the combo of Aye and onoki is tough but even as a imperfect sage jiraiya dodging most of it and in a 3 v 4 the sanin will have the advantage if onoki is only boosting his stats instead of actually fighting( that’s the kages best chance)
I honestly don’t see Jiraiya running away long enough to do sage mode. I can’t realistically see all these characters who are much faster than him allowing it.
My main issue with your assessment is thinking jiraiya would just immediately go to sage mode. He didnt like it because it didnt look cool lol. He wouldnt do it until it became absolutely crystal clear that they were going to lose otherwise. And I'm just not sure that would happen before at least Mei was defeated. I don't think it would unless they determined that there was no other way to take down ohnoki.
@@PolarKaiju-ns8nv I agree with that completely. My only criticism was the thought that jiraiya would immediately go sage mode. I still think they'd win and that he might even go sage mode at some point. But in character jiraiya wouldn't use sage mode until he knew for a fact he needed to.
Bro onoki will particle style all 3 and instantly win. Why don’t you tell me what speed scaling any of the sanin have? Onoki has reaction speed equal to the raikage, and would also scale his particle style to this level
@@Sparkinator005 Ohnoki has reaction speed even faster than the Raikage, because he reacted to AMPED Raikage. As for Frog Song, a sound genjutsu: part 1 Temari reacted to sound and was able to swing her fan to blow it away when it was 1 cm away from her face. Enough said about that.
Ohnoki can fly 😭 and his partical style is way faster than the sanin since sasuke even with multiple amps and the MS couldn’t even move. Only obito scales to the move since he saved sasuke and obito is way stronger than the sanin bruh this fight is a slaughter
“Feared as the White Fang of the leaf, even the 3 legendary Sannin paled in comparison.” - Minato 👀 All I’m saying is if the 3 Sannin can beat the other Kage White Fang solo’s.
this was in there 20s. Tsunade did not have hundred healings, orchimaru did not have edo tensei. They might not even have had all thier summons during that period and jaraiya likely did not use sage mode. The white fang is likely busted tho.
@@insertname5371 They definitely had their Summons. They were shown known for it during the 2nd War. They didn’t have Edo Tensei,100 Sealings and we can only assume that Jiraiya got Stronger by the years since he kept up with Pain a guy who killed Hanzo. That’s how we know Jiraiya got Stronger since he was confident enough he had a good chance at Beating Pain 1on1 to the point he engaged him in battle. Despite learning that Pain Killed Hanzo. Those were Indications that Jiraiya got stronger as he got older. Which in turn, confirms that All 3 Sannin were stronger in their 50’s than during the War period.
If this was an rpg, the Kage have better stats, but the sanin have better spells and arsenal. That being said I think Ohnoki is just too much of a powerhouse. Gaara and Ohnoki being able to fly is very helpful. The numbers advantage is irrelevant and actually favors the Sanin because of their summons. Their summons are probably their biggest advantages because of what they can provide but the kage should be able to avoid them, but edo tensei would just result in an instant win for the Sanin. The Sanin have much more ways to defeat the Kage, but I have a hard time believing they could deal with Ohnoki especially if Gaara, A, and Mei focus on protecting and comboing with him.
Now that I actually watched you video, here are some facts to consider. Mei’s lava style stomps Orochimaru… what is he going to do? Keep popping out of endless bodies until he’s out of chakra? Lava would melt through anything he can do immediately. A big AOE Vapor style would be a perfect counter for Tsunade’s self regeneration. Onoki + Raikage speed blitz and endlessly bully all 3 at the same time. And GAARA is another one who just like Mei can control the entire battle field the whole fight. IF JIRAYA TAKES THE TIME TO RUN while the other two stall them that leaves a 2v1 situation for both Tsunade and Orochimaru. Amped Rikage + Onoki Combo > Tsunade. She can heal all she wants she’s going to end up with her head cut off after a clean buffed Lariet. And Gaara + Mei? No matter what summoning are on the field they’re getting grabbed and sealed in a prison of Sand and melted away by Mei’s Vapor or Lava. SAME FOR Orochimaru himself. If he gets caught in a Sand dome with nothing but lava and Vapor so hot it melted a Susanoo then he dies in there too…. BY THE TIME JIRAYA gets Sage mode out he’ll be in a 4v1 situation. He would be STOMPED. The Raikage + Onoki combo is arguably above Sage mode Jiraya.
How much of the gokage teamwork did you consider when making this? While I agree with you on the speed portion, it seemed like you didn’t consider that onoki amps ay’s speed and punches.
@@EssUchiha True. They just seem longer on panel and screen lol. Like how everyone rags on Frieza in DBZ for saying that the planets going to explode in 5 minutes but it takes 5 episodes to do it lol
@@EssUchiha I forget about that. Must've been a crazy 48 hours in universe lol. Random shinobi talking about it were like: "Dude that was crazy, so apparently God's exist?" "Mhm." "And like they literally just made us to harvest us?" "Yep." "And the tailed beasts are actually part of something called the 10-Tails which inevitably leads to some giant tree form to suck all the Chakra outta us like Lady Tsunade after a bad gambling night?" "Yeahuh." "Ok just making sure I wasn't in a genjutsu cast by that Madara or Obito guy...whoever they were." "Mmm."
Bruh lets be real. KCM1 Naruto vs Nagato flat out states he is way stronger than when he fought Pain. Sage Jiraiya is below Sage Naruto as stated by Pa. Raikage V2~KCM1 Naruto>Pain~Sage Naruto>Jiraiya. Tsunade is good. Orochimaru is super controversial because of his scaling to Hirizen like you said and also the Edo Tensei. We dont actually know if he can summon the Hokage at that state they were in, because those were Zetsu bodies not normal shinobi. Scaling wise he should be relative to Hiruzen even in Edo. Oro~Hiruzen>3 Kage
W Jiraiya is ass he gets smacked by pretty much any of the 5 Kage. Also oro shouldn’t be ~edo Hiruzen because Hiruzen seems to be way more powerful as an edo and also because the second oros Summons were gone Hiruzen started blitzing and smacking him around not to mention that Hiruzen was mentally nerfed in that fight. BUT oro does have a good war arc feats so he’s fine and also killed Rasa who showed he was relative to war arc gaara
@@cj4ev3r26 Oro should be relative to alive Hiruzen who ahould be >Edo Hiruzen. Dont forget Hiruzen was nerfed the first half of the Orochimaru fight, because he didn't want to fight Orochimaru at all. Then when he resolves himself Oro and him are relative.
@@SaberEBW when he resolved himself it was already too late and Hiruzen was weakened more with low stamina. Oro only fought a full trying Hiruzen that was already weakened
How is KCM1 Naruto>Pain? Yes Naruto was using the Nine-Tails power but he didn’t have a true mastery of it. Not to mention the only reason Sage Naruto did as well as he did against Pain was thanks to outside help from Ma, Pa and the Sage Toads and the fact that Pain used a massive amount of chakra shortly before to annihilate the Leaf Village. So really the scaling looks more like Pain>Sage Naruto Then further disproving KCM1 Naruto>Pain is when that Naruto fought Edo Nagato who’s~\< than Pain despite having help from Killer Bee he was losing and would have died without Edo Itachi’s intervention. While I still agree with your ultimate point of the Raikage being soundly superior to Sage Jiraiya the scaling is really more like Edo Nagato~Pain>4th Raikage~KCM1 Naruto>Sage Naruto>Sage Jiraya
It doesn't really mean anything. It was a title given so long ago for surviving a fight against Hanzo and unless you don't think they've gotten stronger since then it's a pretty bad way to describe them. Not to mention they're not equal in strength so that takes more away from it
Sanin slap the Gokage with base Jiraiya was strong enough to be considered Hokage level and him having Sage mode to boost his reaction speed and senses he could counter the Raikage's pure speed advantage, as well as how well the Sanin would work together Jiraiya's Arsenal of Jutsu he has shown is the perfect complement to both Orochimaru and Tsunade He has a lot of restraint Jutsu and Fire style to play off the Wind Jutsu we know Orochimaru has as well as sealing Jutsu entrapment Jutsu hell he can turn the Raikage into a frog if he wants to
A much much stronger KCM1 Naruto could barely keep up with V1 Ay. And War Arc KCM Naruto > Pain Arc Sage Naruto > Sage Jiraya Those senses didn’t help him against pain who’s far slower than Ay Ay and Onoki also scale to Madara’s Wood Clone Susanoo which is above anything the Sannin besides Tsunade solely in terms of offensive ability has shown, as she’s not durable enough to yank their attacks or fast enough to dodge them
Jairiya’s sense’s only work half the time due to having imperfect sage mode, example he got caught off guard by a pain from behind in imperfect sage mode
@@jocoolshowtbf speed isn’t the same as reaction time A Sage Naruto clone reacted to the 3rd Raikage easily. It’s plausible that Sage Jiraiya can react to the 4th
@@tomato2517 Jiraya has no lines of scaling that puts him at the 4th Raikage’s level. Jiraya is nowhere near even Pain arc Sage Naruto, let alone war arc Sage Naruto and KCM1 Naruto who the Raikage scale to
Madara in his three different states Vs Movie Villains as a group. Round 1 Edo. Round 2 Alive. Round 3 Full Powered Jubi Madara Movie Villains could at least get Toneri this round. Obviously this doesn't include Toneri and Boruto Characters.
the sannin win mid to high diff as i don’t see mei holding her own against the sannin as such with gaara being the next to go. mei can be easily delt with and orochimaru can take gaara as he already took down a similar person of power (4th kazekage) and then it’s just A and onoki….yeah sannin win
Kages take it . Gaara could overwhelm the Sannin by himself for a short period of time at least while they're in base, adding in the Raikage and Ohnoki into fold to capitalize is a massacre, throwing in Mei even more so. Tsunade greatest use would be in healing, cause she can't even really tag each of the other Kage given their mobility and speed.
@@yuan713 war arc Gaara still isn’t stronger than Orochimaru lmao war arc Orochimaru was able to stop the god tree from moving long enough for hiruzen yo chop some roots off of it. Also Orochimaru smacked up 4 tails Naruto
@@yuan713 Are you healthy in the head ? . Tsunade has the second best reaction speed feats besides raikage from the gokage team, and the best reaction speed feats from the sanins . Sage Jiraya and Orochimaru aren't even on par with her speed.
You should have let the kage replace Tsunade with war arc kakashi so that way the kage stand much more of a chance and it also has kakashi scaled to the kage and sannin without it going into Boruto territory or DMS kakashi which would basically solo most the verse lol war arc kakashi is the best to scale with and a sharingan would definitely help the kage team out
I think Gokage will win Tsunade takes on the Raikage and this is a battle that will be drawn out but will ultimately end with the Raikage winning, Simultaneously Ohnoki will be more than enough to handle Orochimaru........ Let's not underestimate the old geezer, War Arc Gaara is definitely stronger than base Jariya in fact I think he will be able to hold his own against sage mode jariya until that ma and Pa genjutsu, but I honestly don't believe that Gaara will give Jaraya the time to go into sage mode This leaves out Mei who can either join and one of her teammates to double tag their opponents There is no way Tsunade will survive a double tag of Mei and the Raikage or Orochimaru will be able to handle a double tag of Ohonoki and Mei or Jariya handle the double tag of Gaara and Mei So the numbers advantage of the Gokage is the major problem The only hope the Kage have is if Oro use Edo tensi ..... And we have to note that the strength of Oro Edo tensi is inferior to Kabuto Edo tensi and I still think Mei can handle the Edo tensi until either the Raikage defeats Tsunade or Gaara defeats base Jariya or maybe Ohnoki just defeats Orochimaru
if maddara ripping her in Half couldent kill her I dont see Fast Boy stabbing going to do a hell of alot. Hell only thing that could possibly kill her is beheading, and with the Slugs I dont see a Kill move from there. hell the Slugs healing all the rest to keep them mobile and strong is going to be a thing to kill the Kage, cause they will get tired and wounded and weaken, the Sannin will not. Ohnoki if he gets a full complete hit could kill someone? but getting that hit with the mobility of the Toads or Orochimaru dropping bodies and slithering around is a huge thing. Garra and Mei are tough but irregardless of who fights Ohnoki the other Sannin can kill them pretty casually.
@@SuperWindsageTsunade literally recovered (in the same breath) after being sliced in HALF. Also, her strength broke a Tsusano’s rib cage!!! This just tells us she’s powerful af. Imagine you put one of the other Kage in front of Tsunade’s kicks…. That’s a one shot k.o 💀😂 The other Kage stood shook once they saw Tsunade in action! They underestimated her up until the Madara fight, but she’s the strongest, both physically and mentally. But it makes sense because she’s from the Leaf 🍃. The “Will” is too powerful in that village.
Raikage scales to early KCM Naruto. SM Naruto(Pain arc) scales above the sannin and KCM should be above this Naruto, how raikage could even be relative to the sannin? I'm looking for explanation for a long time and it doesnt add up. Raikage with his V1 was keeping up with KCM Naruto, and when raikage goes full power Bee believed that he will kill Naruto, and he spend with him his entire training so he knows how strong both of them are. Raikage even lost arm some time before that xD what is happening? Help TG
SM Naruto is >~ SM Jiraya, V1 Raikage is not faster than KCM Naruto they’re speed testing each other Naruto never says he’s going max speed and notes he’s upping his speed during the fight after getting stopped. Naruto ever rarely goes Max Speed in the war, and def scales over V1 .Suigetsu also reacts to V1 Raikage alongside Base Sharingan Sasuke +!Tsunade thinks she can stop the Raikage after seeing him & Naruto so it’s very likely they’re in somewhat of a ballpark. All you would say is that they’re unquantifiably below but not to the point they wouldn’t be able to fight him. Raikage is only objectively faster than the Sannin imo when he’s going Max Speed + Body flicker as MS Sasuke can track V1/V2 Raikage with Oro also being directly compared to that Sasuke. Even Madara doesn’t say the Raikage is far faster than Tsunade, but just faster, so the speed game may not actually be that huge.
It seems for me like V2 Raikage is above the sannin and SM Naruto but maybe it makes more sense if we assume that SM Naruto is not massively above SM jiraiya but only a little. Then scaling Raikage>SM Naruto>SM Jiraiya still allows to assume that they could be relative, but V2 Raikage seems objectively above the SM jiraiya and Pain arc Naruto. Naruto is a series with abnormally complicated powerscaling sometimes so it's hard to avoid inconsistencies. It's still weird that Bee believed in Raikage being able to kill Naruto but maybe Naruto was holding back in front of Bee and only goes full power when blitzing Raikage. It still leaves some questions like Onoki being arguably above V2 Raikage do he should be around or above Jonin Minato level? Weird, anyway, thank you for your time man, take care :V waiting for new video's
Yeah the main thing is Body Flicker that puts Raikage as just faster his V2 state could be argued to be able to be combated for a lot of these guys. The Raikage was probably just gonna punch Naruto really hard lmao, it’s also not like KCM is just a whole tier above SM either which adds to this. The two forms are EXTREMELY comparable with SM being viable against KCM level opponents like the Third. It is a little funky ever rarely in Naruto does just being somewhat faster just mean you win the fight, I actually think a lot of speed gaps are a lot closer than what people believe. Appreciate the love on the channel✊🏻🔥
@@ThunderGodTG When did “Oro” become a thing lol? I heard it another one of your videos and was like “do people really use that?” I just thought that was funny. Very unrelated to everything else. I enjoy the videos, though.👍
Bruh sage mode Naruto lost to pain , he turned into 9 tails and plot armor restored his chakra and brought him back to grab the W. nagato could've killed him or konan but they bought into Narutos true peace and nagato sacrificed himself...
@@ThunderGodTG dude what jiraiya is the most versatile and most useful of them overall. Orochimaru at his absolute peak is better but his powerlevel fluctuates wildly. And tsunade gets low diffed by anyone with decent IQ and long range.
No they don't The first and second hokage that he summoned against hiruzen weren't too op and the first and 2nd hokage can get out of his control in the war arc
Bro they only didn't kill hiruzen because he used reaper death seal on everybody in that battle lol if the fight had dragged on he would've been killed and hiruzen would've been the strongest one there so the Edo tenseis would've still been powerful around 50-70% being the 2 top 5 Shinobi of all time. That's a 4v4 right there if tsunade backed out of it
@@akhandtripathipyz9888 Regardless of how strong they are, good luck sealing them. They may even be stronger than Gaara and Mei anyway so its a good 5v5. Also, if we use war arc Oro for the sannin team here, he could summon the much stronger 3rd and 4th hokage who he has no problem controlling.
One of them is literally a kage, the other two were strong enough to become hokages, one of them fought a kage before getting stronger and tsunade is literally around equal to a kage who she would be fighting with two teammates
@@dbl3323 if any of them get hit with particle style it’s gg, Orochimaru being really the only one I see weaseling out of it somehow. Pretty sure Raikage can speed blitz any of them and Onoki can make him even faster with lightweight jutsu. If Orochimaru wants to summon edos Gaara can seal them. They also have to worry about Gaara’s sand which isn’t even remotely easy. I think they kill Mei and that’s really about it.
Dawg Orochimaru fought 5 tails cloaked Naruto with no arms 💀💀 Jiraiya by himself killed multiple paths of pain with no information on them, Tsunade single handily kept the 5 Kage in the fight against Madara. Jiraiya summons 2 toads from Mount Myoboku and it’s literally over for the other Kage 😂😂
@@dejones803 that was the 4 tails and how does that help him in this fight? And she was fighting with both of them literally against Hanzo where they fucking lost. Matter of fact when Jiraiya heard pain killed Hanzo he almost shit himself. So I'm just assuming he didn't get too much stronger from the first time they fought. And how do they deal with particle style or Raikage speed? Onoki particle styled a group of Susano and as I mentioned before can also make Raikage faster. If you think they keep up with that and gaara backing them with the sand which he could help defend or attack you're trippin. I didn't even mention Mei but let's not forget she's there too.
@@Idontgetmoney I think you can make a good case Kages win, but i would still put my money on Sanin. Mei is dead in few minutes either way, gaara will be pure defense and only real issue will be Onoki and Raikage, but i think Tsunade and Oro can deal with Raikage, even lightened. I think as soon as they kill Mei, it will be pretty much equal, also, the summons are insane, so eventually it will be 3 sanin, Ma and Pa, 3 big summons, so a 8 vs 3, and i dont care how strong they are, unless onoki can erase them all in one particle style, they are losing hard
JIraiya is a genius. He's definitely smarter than every other Kage and will 100% find a way to enter Sage Mode. He lost to Pain without any intel. That doesn't reflect poorly on him at all.
Something that shouldn't be underestimated here is that the sannin are old team members who know how to fight together. The Kage do not have that synergy or familiarity.
It doesn’t matter. The Kages most likely know each other’s techniques and majority have mastery over 5 chakra natures and HIGH battle IQ.
Also this is FALSE because during the 4th great shinobi war against Obito and madara and against tailed beast they showed ALOT of teamwork. So 5 Kage vs 3 Sannin would lose.
@shyysteebleedem The Sanin have perfect chemistry. The kage have ok chemistry
Something to keep in mind, the Sanin are considered Hokage candidates without Sage Mode, One Thousand Healings and Hydra. Those are all unknown techniques and Tsunade was considered a Hokage candidate without it.
Bro woke up and chose to spit facts
Alot of people don't mention this bt Orochimaru was also in a way holding back against Hiruzen because he was simply toying with him and the fact that he was underestimating Hiruzen led to his downfall....if he took Hiruzen seriously Orochimaru would have easily killed Hiruzen with his Edo Hokages
Was Tsunade the strongest of the gokage that fought Madara ? I think so
Tbh the biggest feat of the sanin is teamwork. If you look in the data books they did sooooooo fcking many missions together
"a bit more"? orochimaru and hiruzen were grabbing eachother and grunting for like 3 episodes
They do this in the manga too I meant the actual fight and not the marathon that is Hiruzen trying to take his soul 😂😂 that shit did feel like it took an eternity
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Mei gets really underestimated in these versus battles. Are we just gonna ignore that she is the only character to melt the Susano? Her attack potency is no joke, screen time is the only factor holding her back.
Mei has no attack potency lmao, the steam is more of a hack rather than physical AP. Mei isn’t doing anything to Tsunade. She might fuck up Jiraiya tho
@@cj4ev3r26 There is not much I can say about it being a hack, other than it seemed op and was never used again. But, if we are to take it at face value like we took all the "lore" from early naruto, there is nothing Tsunade can do about it. It melted the susano ribcage, and Tsunade's body has nowhere near that level of endurance. We've seen susanos battling and even they can not break each other. You can say she can regenerate faster than the steam can melt, then fair point, but it does not last for that long.
@@johnmoshos2435 tsunade has 100 healings tho so hee insides would also heal from wounds
@@johnmoshos2435 Unfortunately, the steam technique from Mei requires a narrow and closed area.
In this area she has also to make sure there are no allies otherwise they get caught up as well into the acid steam.
Otherwise in the open she is using more her lava style to shoot out lava layers on people. But this one never penetrated the Susanoo.
@@fellowkrieger457 and even in an enclosed area with Tsuandes strength she could likely break out of whatever tight space she’s in
Sannin vs War arc eternal rivals minus DMS and 8th Gates is a pretty interesting topic. War arc Ino-Shika-Cho vs Sasuke-less Taka (personally I love this idea). Scaling the 5 kage bodyguards (seriously no one on youtube to my knowledge has scaling of kurotsuchi, chojuro, and darui). Making a team to beat the akatsuki using Jonin from different villages.
Also another thing to consider for Orochimaru's edo tensei is to resurrect his Sound 4 and/or Kimimaro. Infinite chakra and regen on those 5 or just Kimi definitely puts the match in sannin favor. And these are corpses Orochi definitely has on lock.
The Sanin win with low difficulty. You'd have to nerf the Sanin in order for the Kage to stand a chance. Sanin start with 3 way summoning, then Orichimaru edo summons the sound 4. Then Jiraya has time to go sage mode. What people miss about Jiraya is that the sage mode took long because he wanted to summon MA and PA, otherwise, it doesn't take as long as he did against Pain.
There is also frog kumatie, which allows Jiraya to sense danger and can almost counter any attack. None of the Kage can tank odama rasengan except maybe the Raikage which Jiraya can just put in a frog mouth. Then there's Jiraya with genjutsu which is petty much game over for the Kage. PA and MA are an extra set of eyes, no way is the Raikage getting near him. They have healing via Katsuyu, and can share info via Katsuyu pieces. The Sanin know reverse summoning, Jiraya can take displace the kages with toad mouth reverse summoning. The Kage lose badly.
Jiraya needed Ma and Pa for the sage mode, it didn't just took time because he wanted to summon, it took time because he isn't very good at it.
Summons would be useless, far too big and easy of a target for Onoki. Raikage would indeed get near him, Jiraya got blitzed by a mere pain path, who scales not even close to the Raikage. Sound genjutsu isn't all that useful, it worked really well in the Pain fight because he was in a very tight space, and his opponent couldn't see the jutsu being cast, in an open battle it would be easly avoidable as are immensly faster then sound. You are making far too big of a deal of Jiraya, he is nowhere near that good
@@ricardocorreia7962 go read the data books dude... Jiraya can enter sage mode without PA and MA. However it will be imperfect sage mode which he cannot maintain for too long, that's why PA and MA are there to help him maintain it for long and also be the 2 extra set of eyes.
Jiraya didn't get blitzed by any path of Pain, unless you consider being caught off guard being blitzed, I mean dude stop making up stuff. I can also say the Raikage got blitzed by Jugo at the Kage summit.
Summons will be useful because if Onoki has to use particle style on the toads, that includes Manda and Katsuyu, then he will exhaust his charka, and thus be useless.
Gobread the data books and check prowess and power of reverse summons by Jiraya...
@@moeketsigeorge1932 You said there is no way the Raikage could get near Jiraya, that's why I gave the example of Jiraya being caught be the Pain path. If a Path Of Pain massively slower than the Raikage can be get to Jiraya it just proves his sensory abilities, reactions and speed would have, at the very least, serious trouble with the Raikage. The Raikage also seems to relative to the 8 Tails, which even Pain doesn't seem to match all that favorably, and all know what Pain did to Jiraya. Even in terms of pure scaling, there is little to suggest Jiraya is as strong or stronger than the Raikage, on the contrary in fact. And the Raikage himself is likely not even the strongest of the 5 kage, Onoki could very well be scaled above him. Jiraya isn't all that great
@@ricardocorreia7962 dude I said with frog kumitei and the song genjutsu, no way is the Raikage getting near Jiraya. How would the Raikage counter that genjutsu? He can out run visual genjutsu, but how would he outrun something that he doesn't even know is coming?
8 tails alone isn't a treat, unless you mean Bee with the 8 tails which was already stated to be stronger than the Raikage. Don't even try to suggest that the Raikage is stronger than Pain because I'm gonna laugh. How would the Raikage survive Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei? Add the Gedo statue soul ripper. What sensory skills does he have to track Pain with that invisible chameleon? Pain would hide in that just as Nagato did and then hit a surprise Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei of which it took KCM Naruto, Bee and Itachi to counter Chibaku Tensei, the same Naruto had speed blitzed the Raikage earlier on...
@@moeketsigeorge1932 You are confusing Nagato and Pain, Edo Tensei Nagato was clearly leagues above Pain. Considering how much Pain was getting pressed by 6 Tails Naruto it is more than fair to say the 8 Tails, and as such the Raikage, would fair pretty well against it.
Things such as the chameleon is just really not relevant, it would get bodied whenever it attacked. The Soul Dragon Attack is strong, but then again, if Hanzo avoided it the Raikage would surely do it.
Genjutsu is the only argument one could make for Jiraya, but as I said if the Raikage saw the toads emitting sound he would probably quickly come to the decision of getting away.
Databook states they can a three times increase in skill when fighting together so they might just smack them up XD
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@@ThunderGodTG I'm kind of geeking out that you replied. I'm usually a Six or Swagkage viewer but you popped up in my timeline one day and I took a leap and I don't regret it. Your takes are unique and usually mad on point and your videos are fun and high quality. All in all you're an awesome creator and we need more like you in the community. keep it up!
@@isshinkurosaki252 this guy goes hard on the grind
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Sannin > Five Kage
Interesting versus, if I remember correctly I'm very sure either the databook or character profiles when all Sannin have been introduced (would be the 2nd databook which is the events between Konoha Crush and Naruto & the time skip including Kakashi Gaiden chapters) but it states the Sannin collective might rivals or surpasses the Gokage. It's unknown whether this Gokage included Hiruzen or Tsunade as the Hokage and like you said, it's arguable that the Gokage got stronger with Gaara being an obvious but considering part 1 Gokage has Yagura instead of Mei is even more interesting.
Personally, I think if this is Shippuden era at full power (Orochimaru in war arc or 8 Headed Hydra) then the Sannin take it in a 4v3. The full power display of the Gokage against Madara can't be done here since Tsunade was giving Onoki 100 Healings chakra supply for that particle style which 100 Healings does give a physical and all-around chakra boost. Plus, I think the main win con is having 2 Sage Mode toad summons both capable of fighting in aid with Sannin level characters or higher and Pa being shown to outright beat Sage Naruto in kumite training.
Dude a lot of ninja would willing to give their life to protect what they believe in, a lot of fodder Shinobi attacked pain also a lot of fodder Shinobi attacked Madara and they know their far inferior to them,so Tsunade preparing to fighting the raikage doesn't mean she thinks she relative that's not a good argument although I do think she's relative but the argument u use to support that she's relative is not a good one
Orochimaru was Akastuki, but he can summon perfected edo tensei of kage that can body akatsuki members because they can fight at a level that scale to Juubito.
Imagine of Orochimaru summoned all 4 kage and helped Sasuke attack the leaf village. Better yet, let him take Sasuke's body after he got EMS. Make him capable of fully manipulated all four kage using genjustsu and edo tensei hax.
IJS, he would be a bigger threat than Kabuto, who couldnt control Madara or Itachi.
When he was in the Akatsuki he didn’t have the stronger edo summons, that didn’t come till kabuto made it better. And it wouldn’t matter cuz hashirama would break free and body Minato and tobirama
I was totally about to quote Sasori to you before I saw the upload lol
If orochimaru summons all 4 kage GGs and plus orochimaru knows every Justu and Kekkei Genkai so he would know their abilities
Yeah War arc Oro with perfect Edos prepped clears by himself no diff and that's not even capping.
So i think this fight is a lot closer than you might think. I argued this with a friend and we came to the follow conclusion ( note we substituted tsunade for danzo since we felt that made sense but i think it only moderately changes the fight)
1. Ohnoki is the hardest counter to tsunade you could get. either the other two have to protect her which causes problems in its own right or this will quickly free up him to support one of the other bullet points below ( we settled on dealing with the summons or orochimaru)
2. Base jiraiya is one of the most effective long range fighters in the series and while many people will say he is staying back to summon sage mode i think its far more likely he is using his hair and fire style jutsu to support tsunade and force responses for his long range jutsu. this is where mei would come in as her lava style burns his hair and water style should at least mitigate the damage of his firestyle jutsu. His oil would only strengthen her attacks. If one of the others ( namely orchimaru since point 1) goes out of the way to remove her it leaves him open to attack from the raikage. ( will address sage mode later)
3. The raikage is fast and should be able to pressure orochimaru into minimal interference with other sannin fights. Even if you think that orichimmaru is significantly stronger then orchimaru as i do its not significant enough that it prevents any of the others from completing any of the other points.
4 Gaara can serve as a delaying faster for the summons. If you substitute tsunade for danzo you would give him this role as well as with his great wind style feats and big summon he should be able to help with the toad summons by buffing mei's attacks. But if you just have gaara he serves as a flex stopping interference form the summons before ohnoki can take out tsunade.
With this in mind ohnoki would take out tsunade freeing gaara to support either mei or the raikage and allowing ohnoki to damage the summons. This would make it a 2v 4 and i think its very likely that gaara and mei would be enough to handle base jaraiya until ohnoki is done with the summons. Eventually it goes through a domino effect where tsunade, then jaraiya, then orochimaru fall.
If you believe jaraiya is trying to do sage mode it only frees mei to go after the summons and garentees that tsunade is taken out by ohnoki. This leaves 3 kage to attack him and his summons. With that i think its unlikely that he can attain sage mode and falls in the domino order as before.
The only way i can see jaraiya getting into sage mode is if orochimaru has prepared summons and goes right after mei in a way that doesn't result in him getting decked by the raikage. This would result in a 2 on 3 which may be winnable if he plays as annoying as possible to allow jaraiya to enter sage mode.
I honestly think it's a 5 kage stomp (obviously this is if you dont count the use of Edo Tensei). I'd argue the raikage and Ohnoki can take the sannin by themselves. I personally scale all 3 sannin below 5ks Sasuke physically so they're sitting ducks for particle style as in character Ohnoki tries to end fights quickly and he was essentially able to blitz sasuke. The 3 sannin are also all physically inferior to KCM Naruto who allegedly would have been 1shot by the Raikage had he connected a V2 punch with him. So both Ohnoki and the Raikage have 1shot capabilites on any of the 3 sannin fairly casually without any help from the other, let alone if Ohnoki uses the lightening jutsu on the Raikage. I don't think sage mode makes a difference for jiraiya, and I think 100 healing only saves tsunade from the raikage not Ohnoki. I do think Zetsu absorbed orochimaru is a difference maker since in part 1 he was already implied to be above the other sannin who are relative to the 5 kage when he had no hands, he now has his arms back with a much improved body. So with Zetsu absorbed he should be a tier above the kage maybe even into the edo hiruzen/tobirama tiers of strength, which supercedes the 5kage. Safe to say if you add Gaara, Mei, and Danzo the 5 kage have a fairly safe win.
Also, the Hiruzen v Orochimaru literally lasted an hour.
You hate my boy orochimaru
I gave him immaculate praise, bros broken, I just feel like a lot of people do the = Hiruzen to slide him up a lot when I think it’s HIGHLY debatable at least at that point
@@ThunderGodTG I’m too biased I put sannin and Sarutobi high ball they have so many hacks loving the videos you are putting up ( more onoki and Danzo please ) ❤️
Hanzo was as powerful as a hokage at that time and he gave them the title Sannin. The Sannin could win because of 100 healing and sage mode.
He was kage of rain
w upload as always
Why you lying bro
(Six paths of Pain) one scenario, (Edo Tensei Nagato)2nd fight VS killer bee & A, (Fourth Raikage) I think that would be a good match up, like if you agree.
I think A and Bee vs another duo would be sick af
A and Bee Vs akatsuki duos?
Orochimaru could take on 2 Kages at once and win low diff. Tsunade vs Mei Tsunade wins high diff. Jiraiya beats Gaara high diff
Raikage and Tsuchikage are negging any of the Sannin individually due to Ay’s insanely superior stats that they can’t get around and Onoki’s speed, mobility and hax that they can’t get around considering even MS Sasuke and Madara’s Full Body Susanoo Wood Clones couldn’t get away
@@jocoolshow Madara was holding back so that isn't feat.
Ms Sasuke was doing fine against the kages until his eyes begun to hurt him
@@Rck-vert LMAO he was not doing good at all. Hop off his meat.
@@jocoolshow Raikage and Tsuchikage lack any real means to beat Orochimaru. Orochimarus one weakness is genjutsu. He outclasses literally everyone else in power, versatility, IQ and durability. Speed isn’t a factor here if Sasuke can hold his own with Aye then Orochimaru will have no trouble at all. Orochimaru > Hiruzen who was the most powerful Kage at the time of his reign which includes Aye and Ohnoki. Not to mention Deidara is equal to Ohnoki and Orochi is above Deidara
@@hokage8426 particle will erase orouchimaru tf
I believe the sanin got this like yea the combo of Aye and onoki is tough but even as a imperfect sage jiraiya dodging most of it and in a 3 v 4 the sanin will have the advantage if onoki is only boosting his stats instead of actually fighting( that’s the kages best chance)
I honestly don’t see Jiraiya running away long enough to do sage mode. I can’t realistically see all these characters who are much faster than him allowing it.
The Raikage wouldn't let him 🤣
Yagura and Gaara can jump Jiraiya killing him instantly
He can go inside the Frog Belly and do it. Although that would leave the other 2 Sanin in a pretty huge disadvantage
My main issue with your assessment is thinking jiraiya would just immediately go to sage mode. He didnt like it because it didnt look cool lol. He wouldnt do it until it became absolutely crystal clear that they were going to lose otherwise. And I'm just not sure that would happen before at least Mei was defeated. I don't think it would unless they determined that there was no other way to take down ohnoki.
The thing is the 3 sannin were a team for way longer and have more team chemistry and a healer which is why they win
@@PolarKaiju-ns8nv I agree with that completely. My only criticism was the thought that jiraiya would immediately go sage mode. I still think they'd win and that he might even go sage mode at some point. But in character jiraiya wouldn't use sage mode until he knew for a fact he needed to.
Power wise i see this as gokage-tsunade
Frog song gets everybody but the raikage. From there it's a 3v1 stomp
Bro onoki will particle style all 3 and instantly win. Why don’t you tell me what speed scaling any of the sanin have? Onoki has reaction speed equal to the raikage, and would also scale his particle style to this level
@@Sparkinator005 Ohnoki has reaction speed even faster than the Raikage, because he reacted to AMPED Raikage.
As for Frog Song, a sound genjutsu: part 1 Temari reacted to sound and was able to swing her fan to blow it away when it was 1 cm away from her face. Enough said about that.
Ohnoki can fly 😭 and his partical style is way faster than the sanin since sasuke even with multiple amps and the MS couldn’t even move. Only obito scales to the move since he saved sasuke and obito is way stronger than the sanin bruh this fight is a slaughter
Would the outcome have changed if Danzo was on the kage team?
Onoki 1 shot with particle style
He did it to all those susanoo's
Raikage speed blitz with lariat
Speed Blitz with a Chop.
he only managed to create a cube that size because tsunade passed chakra to him because he was not able to do it alone
@@papudincamaradeI dont know why people tend to forget about that. Tsunade was boosting his jutsu by giving her chakra
Any bleach vs Naruto debates anytime soon
Im going to be doing a lot of God of War when that drops, as I’ve been scaling the series for a minute and am a huge fan
“Feared as the White Fang of the leaf, even the 3 legendary Sannin paled in comparison.” - Minato 👀 All I’m saying is if the 3 Sannin can beat the other Kage White Fang solo’s.
this was in there 20s. Tsunade did not have hundred healings, orchimaru did not have edo tensei. They might not even have had all thier summons during that period and jaraiya likely did not use sage mode. The white fang is likely busted tho.
@@insertname5371 They definitely had their Summons. They were shown known for it during the 2nd War. They didn’t have Edo Tensei,100 Sealings and we can only assume that Jiraiya got Stronger by the years since he kept up with Pain a guy who killed Hanzo. That’s how we know Jiraiya got Stronger since he was confident enough he had a good chance at Beating Pain 1on1 to the point he engaged him in battle. Despite learning that Pain Killed Hanzo. Those were Indications that Jiraiya got stronger as he got older. Which in turn, confirms that All 3 Sannin were stronger in their 50’s than during the War period.
Cool vid.😺
Question how powerful is Tsunade in boruto is she stronger than her war arc self or does she have the same power as she did in the war arc.
Can anyone answer my question Did Tsunade get stronger or weaker between the time of the end of naruto and boruto?
@@kristopherdorsey8561 Tsunade would suffer from old age like Hiruzen did since now she is older than him in Boruto.
If this was an rpg, the Kage have better stats, but the sanin have better spells and arsenal. That being said I think Ohnoki is just too much of a powerhouse. Gaara and Ohnoki being able to fly is very helpful. The numbers advantage is irrelevant and actually favors the Sanin because of their summons. Their summons are probably their biggest advantages because of what they can provide but the kage should be able to avoid them, but edo tensei would just result in an instant win for the Sanin. The Sanin have much more ways to defeat the Kage, but I have a hard time believing they could deal with Ohnoki especially if Gaara, A, and Mei focus on protecting and comboing with him.
Sannin would slap the Kage who fought Madara lol
Hell no ay,onoki,and Gaara kill orochimaru and Jiraiya while it Mei and Tsunade vs one Tsunade
The gokage stomp
Now that I actually watched you video, here are some facts to consider. Mei’s lava style stomps Orochimaru… what is he going to do? Keep popping out of endless bodies until he’s out of chakra? Lava would melt through anything he can do immediately. A big AOE Vapor style would be a perfect counter for Tsunade’s self regeneration. Onoki + Raikage speed blitz and endlessly bully all 3 at the same time. And GAARA is another one who just like Mei can control the entire battle field the whole fight. IF JIRAYA TAKES THE TIME TO RUN while the other two stall them that leaves a 2v1 situation for both Tsunade and Orochimaru. Amped Rikage + Onoki Combo > Tsunade. She can heal all she wants she’s going to end up with her head cut off after a clean buffed Lariet. And Gaara + Mei? No matter what summoning are on the field they’re getting grabbed and sealed in a prison of Sand and melted away by Mei’s Vapor or Lava. SAME FOR Orochimaru himself. If he gets caught in a Sand dome with nothing but lava and Vapor so hot it melted a Susanoo then he dies in there too…. BY THE TIME JIRAYA gets Sage mode out he’ll be in a 4v1 situation. He would be STOMPED. The Raikage + Onoki combo is arguably above Sage mode Jiraya.
I liked this video
How much of the gokage teamwork did you consider when making this? While I agree with you on the speed portion, it seemed like you didn’t consider that onoki amps ay’s speed and punches.
I actually mention that as a win condition for the Gokage as that would more than likely be way too fast for them
I think ay has a good match up against jiraiya, but orochimaru has good match up for ay. The ginger kages are inconveniences, Onoki is a win con
You said short time but that fight lasted an hour in the verse…
Relatively short considering the 3rd Raikage fought 10,000 shinobi for 3 days.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago most fights in Naruto don’t last minutes let alone an hour the raikage is an exception
@@EssUchiha True. They just seem longer on panel and screen lol. Like how everyone rags on Frieza in DBZ for saying that the planets going to explode in 5 minutes but it takes 5 episodes to do it lol
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago it’s like how the war was only 2 days but it was almost 300 odd episodes
@@EssUchiha I forget about that. Must've been a crazy 48 hours in universe lol. Random shinobi talking about it were like: "Dude that was crazy, so apparently God's exist?" "Mhm." "And like they literally just made us to harvest us?" "Yep." "And the tailed beasts are actually part of something called the 10-Tails which inevitably leads to some giant tree form to suck all the Chakra outta us like Lady Tsunade after a bad gambling night?" "Yeahuh." "Ok just making sure I wasn't in a genjutsu cast by that Madara or Obito guy...whoever they were." "Mmm."
Bruh lets be real. KCM1 Naruto vs Nagato flat out states he is way stronger than when he fought Pain. Sage Jiraiya is below Sage Naruto as stated by Pa.
Raikage V2~KCM1 Naruto>Pain~Sage Naruto>Jiraiya.
Tsunade is good.
Orochimaru is super controversial because of his scaling to Hirizen like you said and also the Edo Tensei. We dont actually know if he can summon the Hokage at that state they were in, because those were Zetsu bodies not normal shinobi.
Scaling wise he should be relative to Hiruzen even in Edo.
Oro~Hiruzen>3 Kage
W Jiraiya is ass he gets smacked by pretty much any of the 5 Kage. Also oro shouldn’t be ~edo Hiruzen because Hiruzen seems to be way more powerful as an edo and also because the second oros Summons were gone Hiruzen started blitzing and smacking him around not to mention that Hiruzen was mentally nerfed in that fight. BUT oro does have a good war arc feats so he’s fine and also killed Rasa who showed he was relative to war arc gaara
@@cj4ev3r26 Oro should be relative to alive Hiruzen who ahould be >Edo Hiruzen. Dont forget Hiruzen was nerfed the first half of the Orochimaru fight, because he didn't want to fight Orochimaru at all. Then when he resolves himself Oro and him are relative.
@@SaberEBW when he resolved himself it was already too late and Hiruzen was weakened more with low stamina. Oro only fought a full trying Hiruzen that was already weakened
How is KCM1 Naruto>Pain? Yes Naruto was using the Nine-Tails power but he didn’t have a true mastery of it.
Not to mention the only reason Sage Naruto did as well as he did against Pain was thanks to outside help from Ma, Pa and the Sage Toads and the fact that Pain used a massive amount of chakra shortly before to annihilate the Leaf Village. So really the scaling looks more like Pain>Sage Naruto
Then further disproving KCM1 Naruto>Pain is when that Naruto fought Edo Nagato who’s~\< than Pain despite having help from Killer Bee he was losing and would have died without Edo Itachi’s intervention.
While I still agree with your ultimate point of the Raikage being soundly superior to Sage Jiraiya the scaling is really more like Edo Nagato~Pain>4th Raikage~KCM1 Naruto>Sage Naruto>Sage Jiraya
@@Resoulute77 Naruto states it.....literally when he is fighting Edo Nagato.
It could go either way but there would have to be two tsunade to analyse this fight fairly.
What does sannin level even mean
It doesn't really mean anything. It was a title given so long ago for surviving a fight against Hanzo and unless you don't think they've gotten stronger since then it's a pretty bad way to describe them. Not to mention they're not equal in strength so that takes more away from it
@@prodmoira exactly it doesn’t mean anything the power scaling in Naruto is AIDS
@@prodmoira Yep as cool as "The Legendary Sannin" sound
the moment the origin of this title was revealed it actually became more or less of a joke
Ummmm isn't it implied or stated that orochimaru wasn't trying his hardest through the entire fight?
it can be seen thi, hiruzen is so powerfullll
Sanin slap the Gokage with base Jiraiya was strong enough to be considered Hokage level and him having Sage mode to boost his reaction speed and senses he could counter the Raikage's pure speed advantage, as well as how well the Sanin would work together Jiraiya's Arsenal of Jutsu he has shown is the perfect complement to both Orochimaru and Tsunade He has a lot of restraint Jutsu and Fire style to play off the Wind Jutsu we know Orochimaru has as well as sealing Jutsu entrapment Jutsu hell he can turn the Raikage into a frog if he wants to
A much much stronger KCM1 Naruto could barely keep up with V1 Ay. And War Arc KCM Naruto > Pain Arc Sage Naruto > Sage Jiraya
Those senses didn’t help him against pain who’s far slower than Ay
Ay and Onoki also scale to Madara’s Wood Clone Susanoo which is above anything the Sannin besides Tsunade solely in terms of offensive ability has shown, as she’s not durable enough to yank their attacks or fast enough to dodge them
@@jocoolshow Thank you! I always love to see people understanding what they see on screen.
Jairiya’s sense’s only work half the time due to having imperfect sage mode, example he got caught off guard by a pain from behind in imperfect sage mode
@@jocoolshowtbf speed isn’t the same as reaction time
A Sage Naruto clone reacted to the 3rd Raikage easily. It’s plausible that Sage Jiraiya can react to the 4th
@@tomato2517 Jiraya has no lines of scaling that puts him at the 4th Raikage’s level. Jiraya is nowhere near even Pain arc Sage Naruto, let alone war arc Sage Naruto and KCM1 Naruto who the Raikage scale to
I honestly don't think the 4 can beat Orochimaru with Edos.
Hi
Madara in his three different states Vs Movie Villains as a group.
Round 1 Edo.
Round 2 Alive.
Round 3 Full Powered Jubi Madara Movie Villains could at least get Toneri this round.
Obviously this doesn't include Toneri and Boruto Characters.
the sannin win mid to high diff as i don’t see mei holding her own against the sannin as such with gaara being the next to go. mei can be easily delt with and orochimaru can take gaara as he already took down a similar person of power (4th kazekage) and then it’s just A and onoki….yeah sannin win
Mei has wind water earth vapor lava fire lightning which will melt sannin, she has 5 chakra natures and 2 gekkei gekkei.
Kages take it . Gaara could overwhelm the Sannin by himself for a short period of time at least while they're in base, adding in the Raikage and Ohnoki into fold to capitalize is a massacre, throwing in Mei even more so. Tsunade greatest use would be in healing, cause she can't even really tag each of the other Kage given their mobility and speed.
Orochimaru would kill Gaara lmao
@@dejones803 part 1 Gaara sure. But smoking if you referring to war arc Gaara
@@yuan713 war arc Gaara still isn’t stronger than Orochimaru lmao war arc Orochimaru was able to stop the god tree from moving long enough for hiruzen yo chop some roots off of it. Also Orochimaru smacked up 4 tails Naruto
@@yuan713 Are you healthy in the head ? . Tsunade has the second best reaction speed feats besides raikage from the gokage team, and the best reaction speed feats from the sanins .
Sage Jiraya and Orochimaru aren't even on par with her speed.
@@alex47775 Inferior to Ay, Gaara and Ohnoki
You should have let the kage replace Tsunade with war arc kakashi so that way the kage stand much more of a chance and it also has kakashi scaled to the kage and sannin without it going into Boruto territory or DMS kakashi which would basically solo most the verse lol war arc kakashi is the best to scale with and a sharingan would definitely help the kage team out
Hell no if you add Kakashi then they would just shit stomp. War arc Kakashi could probably solo. If anything add Danzo
@@cj4ev3r26 I like the Danzo choice. Gives them hax and good knowledge to level the playing field.
@@cj4ev3r26war arc Kakashi cannot solomthe sannin lmao
I think Gokage will win
Tsunade takes on the Raikage and this is a battle that will be drawn out but will ultimately end with the Raikage winning,
Simultaneously Ohnoki will be more than enough to handle Orochimaru........ Let's not underestimate the old geezer,
War Arc Gaara is definitely stronger than base Jariya in fact I think he will be able to hold his own against sage mode jariya until that ma and Pa genjutsu, but I honestly don't believe that Gaara will give Jaraya the time to go into sage mode
This leaves out Mei who can either join and one of her teammates to double tag their opponents
There is no way Tsunade will survive a double tag of Mei and the Raikage or Orochimaru will be able to handle a double tag of Ohonoki and Mei or Jariya handle the double tag of Gaara and Mei
So the numbers advantage of the Gokage is the major problem
The only hope the Kage have is if Oro use Edo tensi ..... And we have to note that the strength of Oro Edo tensi is inferior to Kabuto Edo tensi and I still think Mei can handle the Edo tensi until either the Raikage defeats Tsunade or Gaara defeats base Jariya or maybe Ohnoki just defeats Orochimaru
if maddara ripping her in Half couldent kill her I dont see Fast Boy stabbing going to do a hell of alot. Hell only thing that could possibly kill her is beheading, and with the Slugs I dont see a Kill move from there.
hell the Slugs healing all the rest to keep them mobile and strong is going to be a thing to kill the Kage, cause they will get tired and wounded and weaken, the Sannin will not.
Ohnoki if he gets a full complete hit could kill someone? but getting that hit with the mobility of the Toads or Orochimaru dropping bodies and slithering around is a huge thing.
Garra and Mei are tough but irregardless of who fights Ohnoki the other Sannin can kill them pretty casually.
@@SuperWindsage after Madara split her up. That was it. She was morbid
@@SuperWindsageTsunade literally recovered (in the same breath) after being sliced in HALF. Also, her strength broke a Tsusano’s rib cage!!! This just tells us she’s powerful af. Imagine you put one of the other Kage in front of Tsunade’s kicks…. That’s a one shot k.o 💀😂 The other Kage stood shook once they saw Tsunade in action! They underestimated her up until the Madara fight, but she’s the strongest, both physically and mentally. But it makes sense because she’s from the Leaf 🍃. The “Will” is too powerful in that village.
So replace Tsunade with Danzo for the Gokage
Gokage Stomp! Kindergarten Difficulty
Raikage scales to early KCM Naruto. SM Naruto(Pain arc) scales above the sannin and KCM should be above this Naruto, how raikage could even be relative to the sannin? I'm looking for explanation for a long time and it doesnt add up. Raikage with his V1 was keeping up with KCM Naruto, and when raikage goes full power Bee believed that he will kill Naruto, and he spend with him his entire training so he knows how strong both of them are. Raikage even lost arm some time before that xD what is happening? Help TG
SM Naruto is >~ SM Jiraya, V1 Raikage is not faster than KCM Naruto they’re speed testing each other Naruto never says he’s going max speed and notes he’s upping his speed during the fight after getting stopped. Naruto ever rarely goes Max Speed in the war, and def scales over V1 .Suigetsu also reacts to V1 Raikage alongside Base Sharingan Sasuke +!Tsunade thinks she can stop the Raikage after seeing him & Naruto so it’s very likely they’re in somewhat of a ballpark. All you would say is that they’re unquantifiably below but not to the point they wouldn’t be able to fight him.
Raikage is only objectively faster than the Sannin imo when he’s going Max Speed + Body flicker as MS Sasuke can track V1/V2 Raikage with Oro also being directly compared to that Sasuke. Even Madara doesn’t say the Raikage is far faster than Tsunade, but just faster, so the speed game may not actually be that huge.
It seems for me like V2 Raikage is above the sannin and SM Naruto but maybe it makes more sense if we assume that SM Naruto is not massively above SM jiraiya but only a little. Then scaling
Raikage>SM Naruto>SM Jiraiya still allows to assume that they could be relative, but V2 Raikage seems objectively above the SM jiraiya and Pain arc Naruto. Naruto is a series with abnormally complicated powerscaling sometimes so it's hard to avoid inconsistencies. It's still weird that Bee believed in Raikage being able to kill Naruto but maybe Naruto was holding back in front of Bee and only goes full power when blitzing Raikage. It still leaves some questions like Onoki being arguably above V2 Raikage do he should be around or above Jonin Minato level? Weird, anyway, thank you for your time man, take care :V waiting for new video's
Yeah the main thing is Body Flicker that puts Raikage as just faster his V2 state could be argued to be able to be combated for a lot of these guys.
The Raikage was probably just gonna punch Naruto really hard lmao, it’s also not like KCM is just a whole tier above SM either which adds to this. The two forms are EXTREMELY comparable with SM being viable against KCM level opponents like the Third.
It is a little funky ever rarely in Naruto does just being somewhat faster just mean you win the fight, I actually think a lot of speed gaps are a lot closer than what people believe. Appreciate the love on the channel✊🏻🔥
@@ThunderGodTG When did “Oro” become a thing lol? I heard it another one of your videos and was like “do people really use that?” I just thought that was funny. Very unrelated to everything else. I enjoy the videos, though.👍
Bruh sage mode Naruto lost to pain , he turned into 9 tails and plot armor restored his chakra and brought him back to grab the W. nagato could've killed him or konan but they bought into Narutos true peace and nagato sacrificed himself...
Why does everyone forget Jiraiya can turn invisible
When does he do that?
@@spit-fire pain arc and flashback
@@spit-fire also has toad art of shadow subjugation
@@spit-fire He never did because he can't.
@@Rck-vert He literally does it on screen. He also mentioned it during the bell test.
Meis AP and speed is hella underrated all she has to do is spit on jiriya
I agree with this Jiraya is just so much less impressive than the other Sannin
@@ThunderGodTG Orochimaru and Tsunade are dogs compared to him
@@ThunderGodTG dude what jiraiya is the most versatile and most useful of them overall.
Orochimaru at his absolute peak is better but his powerlevel fluctuates wildly.
And tsunade gets low diffed by anyone with decent IQ and long range.
@@virn333 madaras strongest attack didn’t kill tsunade while jiraiya while amped got his arm kicked off😐
Hella agree with this. She has reaction feats on par with ay
Tsunade faster than raikage A, proooobably not
but it has more resistance and stamina.
Second
The goakage slap lmao A speed blitzes and one shots all of them if you don’t use the Hiruzen statement which can be disputed also jiriya is fodder af
Stronger than all the Gokage
Cant hear a god damn thing in this video. Turn up rhe audio...
The audio is fine. The issue could be your phone, use headphones
@@QuasarKen009 No the sound on these videos is like half volume compared to any other video i watch
@@reptilian_geneticist I don't know what to tell you. I hear everything fine with my 🎧
@@QuasarKen009 yeah there's definitely something wrong with the audio its not loud enough
Crazy when someone isn’t screaming into there mic 🤣 that’s all your used to my guy
Orochimaru summons the first and second hokage and then they win lmfaoo
No they don't
The first and second hokage that he summoned against hiruzen weren't too op and the first and 2nd hokage can get out of his control in the war arc
Bro they only didn't kill hiruzen because he used reaper death seal on everybody in that battle lol if the fight had dragged on he would've been killed and hiruzen would've been the strongest one there so the Edo tenseis would've still been powerful around 50-70% being the 2 top 5 Shinobi of all time. That's a 4v4 right there if tsunade backed out of it
@@akhandtripathipyz9888 Regardless of how strong they are, good luck sealing them. They may even be stronger than Gaara and Mei anyway so its a good 5v5. Also, if we use war arc Oro for the sannin team here, he could summon the much stronger 3rd and 4th hokage who he has no problem controlling.
Kage slam
Kage win Mid Difficulty
Jaraiya turned down hokage position 3x and raised 3 Kages instead lol Minato(Hokage)
Nagato(Hidden Rain Kage)
Naruto(Hokage)
I completely forgot by onoki he just obliterates them if Garras light speed sand dosent blitz and crush tsuande and jiriya
Spitting, onoki 1v3s with 0 difficulty lmao
@@Sparkinator005tsunade speedblitz one shot him
Ay and Onoki alone beat any Sannin 1 v 1, and the 3rd one would get 2 v 1’d by Mei and Gaara
Aye is weaker, Ohnoki is weaker, Mei and Gaara are weaker.
@@jibrael5705 onoki and ay would rip Jiraiya and Tsunade apart orochimaru the only problem
Jiraiya is not strong
If they couldn’t triple team Hanzo what in the fuck would make you think they could fight the Kage
One of them is literally a kage, the other two were strong enough to become hokages, one of them fought a kage before getting stronger and tsunade is literally around equal to a kage who she would be fighting with two teammates
@@dbl3323 if any of them get hit with particle style it’s gg, Orochimaru being really the only one I see weaseling out of it somehow. Pretty sure Raikage can speed blitz any of them and Onoki can make him even faster with lightweight jutsu. If Orochimaru wants to summon edos Gaara can seal them. They also have to worry about Gaara’s sand which isn’t even remotely easy. I think they kill Mei and that’s really about it.
Dawg Orochimaru fought 5 tails cloaked Naruto with no arms 💀💀 Jiraiya by himself killed multiple paths of pain with no information on them, Tsunade single handily kept the 5 Kage in the fight against Madara. Jiraiya summons 2 toads from Mount Myoboku and it’s literally over for the other Kage 😂😂
@@dejones803 that was the 4 tails and how does that help him in this fight? And she was fighting with both of them literally against Hanzo where they fucking lost. Matter of fact when Jiraiya heard pain killed Hanzo he almost shit himself. So I'm just assuming he didn't get too much stronger from the first time they fought. And how do they deal with particle style or Raikage speed? Onoki particle styled a group of Susano and as I mentioned before can also make Raikage faster. If you think they keep up with that and gaara backing them with the sand which he could help defend or attack you're trippin. I didn't even mention Mei but let's not forget she's there too.
@@Idontgetmoney I think you can make a good case Kages win, but i would still put my money on Sanin. Mei is dead in few minutes either way, gaara will be pure defense and only real issue will be Onoki and Raikage, but i think Tsunade and Oro can deal with Raikage, even lightened. I think as soon as they kill Mei, it will be pretty much equal, also, the summons are insane, so eventually it will be 3 sanin, Ma and Pa, 3 big summons, so a 8 vs 3, and i dont care how strong they are, unless onoki can erase them all in one particle style, they are losing hard
Jiriya is the slowest person there he’s not landing frog song let alone getting into Sage mode before he dies
JIraiya is a genius. He's definitely smarter than every other Kage and will 100% find a way to enter Sage Mode. He lost to Pain without any intel. That doesn't reflect poorly on him at all.