Customer States "Check Engine Light" (Binding Lift Kit) Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 V8
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Is it just me or is Ray getting fired from his last place the best thing that has happened for ALL of us? Especially Ray and his family and new family Dave
Did he get fired, or did he choose to leave? I think I remember that they had a disagreement so he left.
@@kevinorr6880 He got fired due to the disagreement
I believe he was heading in this direction anyways and the disagreement with his last employer just accelerated his plans.
Not just you
@@Gizmettidisagreement with what may i ask?
Those cv shafts have a horrendous angle on them. That lift kit should be removed. In my opinion.
Lift kits should be removed. In my opinion.
If you're gonna get a lift kit it better be a proper job.
If you remove the kit he won't be able to keep the howling tires.
Replacing the bad ground straps wouldn't hurt also
Don't forget the jeep was in the air and the suspension was at full drop when he was looking at them. Didn't really get to see a good shot of it on the ground but the axles definitely do not have enough clearance. Cheap, poorly designed lift kit for sure. problem now is if they remove the kit, will the wheel and tire combo still fit without rubbing? They may need a new combo or a better quality lift installed.
This video is a good case for vehicle pre-inspection before purchase. This customer just bought somebody else's headache.
They bought a butchered lifted Jeep what kind of person do you think the owner is?? Just saying 😂😂
I wonder if he purchased his house too 😂
Looks like another "Project Jeep" on the horizon.
Troy..... Shhhhh.... hahah
''Dave'' the silent worker/hero
Dave is silent because he can't get a word in edgewise....
True. Dave is doing a majority of the work
A $5K car with $5K in repairs...
Diy
Wrong, a $5k car with $8k in repairs , with $5k being essential for safety of the vehicle.
Thats a dodge,crysler,jeep thing.
Why don't salantice sell the Jeep brand to GM, Ford, or Toyota.
@@bobbg9041 Toyota does not want it, ford has competing products so will kill it, and GM will make it worse......
Ouch !
It needs the sunroof drains unclogged. The seal is more of a wind noise seal, not necessarily a water tight seal. Water always leaks past the seal. That's why there are drains...and they clog with dirt.
I think I would replace the grounding cables before doing any diagnostics on the electrical side,then look at your scan tool.
This. It has caused so many ‘strange’ faults on Fiat Ducato’s (Europe, a lot of campervan are on the Ducato basis, a lot had faults, which were faulty ground cables)
It will be fun to figure out where the two grounds that are tied together originally went.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Is that information located in the wiring diagram? I can see it in the Volvo and BMW diagram I am using.
@@stephanechabot1175 Not being a mechanic, I can only assume it should be.
@@MonkeyJedi99I had to replace 6 grounds on my 2000 Grand Cherokee 4.7, I'm pretty sure one of those tied grounds @RainmanRaysRepairs found does go to the transmission like he guessed.
Customer States - I have Jeep .... Enough said ...
No one has a Jeep. The Jeep has them.
Same with any vehicle that one modifies and/or don't maintain.
Why do people take a perfectly functional well-designed vehicle modify it and ruin it. I can get over my differences on the aesthetics of this lift kit, but the fact that it just messes up all the suspension parts is stupid.
Because they can.
'Lifting' in particular I feel is one of the weirder modern day trends. I mean look at those wheels... a poodle's paws has more dirt on them. This thing is a pavement princess. Having a higher center of gravity means they can tip over easy, and as shown, wreck everything else in the process.
One could argue that Jeeps are NOT well designed, at all!
@@kevinorr6880 I agree. Maintenance requirements on average are all you need to look at. That sensor module in the front wheel well is a classic nonsense idea. It was probably whacked by a flying stone. The nutty wiring routing through heat-generating and moving regions is also plain stupid. Disintegration of otherwise durable plastic protective trunking over the wire looms is plain evidence of this.
Because people do what they want with their stuff. Life's boring with no mods
Wow! That is a massive amount of diagnosing!! That is a heck of a list to get through.
For me, I've been working on vehicles for over 40 years, but I'm hooked on watching Ray!
Ray, I was immediately able to diagnose the problem, it's a Jeep... 😐🤣🤣
Tell me you drive a prius without telling me you drive a prius.
@@sweezyjackson4935 LOL, someone is triggered.
@@mrgunn2726 Yeah, you since you made the original comment.
@@mrgunn2726 And its you. The Prius thing is true Im 100% sure now.
@sweezyjackson4935 my, could you tell me what I drive too? You sound like an expert so I'll give you a chance to guess. But I'll agree the problem is it's a Jeep and a Chrysler Jeep at that.
For the sunroof water leak - Check the drain tube before looking at the seal. Those get clogged from dirt debris often. You may just have to clean them out or make sure the tube isn't pinched.
Yes all sun roofs leak, you are correct. But this Jeep is a pile of 💩💩💩💩
@@bigdaddymak1439 lol. No doubt.
I only mentioned it because he mentioned checking the sunroof seal, but if the drain is clogged, the seal isn't going to help. :)
@@JohnD-JohnD yeah a lot of people don't know the sunroof seal just keeps out a large portion of the water. That's why they put a trough around them with a drain as you know.
Why do I just know that the sunroof drain tubes will have been pinched by the dodgy lift kit? After all, it's borked just about everything else.
dammit, beat me to it lol
Ray that saying "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand!" is so true I own a 2002 Jeep Liberty 4x4 3.7. She can be as temperamental as an old goat sometimes. Sometimes things just pop up on her without warning, other times she tells me it hurts here, but lies to me. lol but she has a lot of family memories attached to this old girl, I have taken her up 45-degree slopes on rocky mountain roads passing other full blown 4x4's and she has never let me down, my 38-year-old daughter is really attached to her she calls her old RED. lol
Ray is the Dr. House of the automotive world!
Yeah, Dr House was a smart diagnostician, but he was also mean and rude. Wouldn't call Ray mean or rude.
@@desotosky1372 I meant rays brilliance at diagnosing the trouble with cars!
I had to laugh at the washer issue as it reminded me of the shower my daughter got while we drove through a rain storm. Upon returning home i found the drain hole for the moon roof was clogged. Since i had plenty of trimmer line i just threaded it through the hole until it came out under the car. No more showers. 😊😊
Been watching you for about 18 months, gotta say you are not only a diagnostic genius but also a comedic one. Lee Iacocca (PBUH) would be proud to father your children.
A comedic diagnostician?
In this case code reading diagnostics only added more to the confusion, switching a couple of relays and a visual inspection is what led Ray to " Getting Jiggy With It". The fix is what men do to make old Christmas tree lights come on. I wouldn't go so far as to call him genius level but the guy is no doubt savvy. He is both competent and confident. He'll be the first to admit when he's delving in areas of uncertainty, this is where his honesty shines.
It would be fair to say even without the code reader, Ray would have eyeballed the missing wire loom and suspected wire chafing that was causing the Gremlins.
If you take in the whole picture, wrong wheel tire package , incompatible lift geometry and suspension , rattling heat shield, damaged case on the wheel speed sensor, missing wire looms, torn rubber boots, you can almost deduce that the problems with this Cherokee were self inflicted.
I presume Ray would not be very happy about Lee Iacocca fathering Ray's children. I don't think that's even biologically possible.
Full steam captain -
Where too-
The scrap yard 😮
😢
YIKE
Basket case comes to mind
"Jeep" = "Basket Case" in several languages.
Right it's a Jeep.
Ray, you may not be getting true codes if the grounding straps are corroded or broken. Fix them before doing any other diagnostics. Thanks for the video.
3 non-functioning ground straps...
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Dude saw the lift, wheels and tires and decided he just HAD to have it.
As they often say in 'Just Rolled In'..."Customer declined all repairs and drove away."
The amount of spray foam repairs I see on there is astounding. Never knew the product was so versatile! 😂
This video is testimony for having Ray inspect your selection BEFORE YOU PURCHASE the vehicle!
Nice diagnostic video.
Another customer who’d have benefited greatly from a pre-purchase inspection.
Every time a Jeep comes to Ray, it has the chance to become a new Project Jeep. 😂
Exhaust ground, right side underbody at rear end of 'Y' pipe.
This is a double-strap eyelet with flat ground straps with a bolt connection to the body. One of the straps attaches to the closest stud on the exhaust clamp under the nut. The other strap from body connects to the exhaust hanger bracket lower bolt/nut which is connected to the rear of the transmission.
@RainmanRaysRepairs
Jeeps are notorious for their grounds rotting away, EricO checks those first before diving deeper into his diagnosis.
Jack up the paint and put a Jeep under it. That thing is going to cost more to repair than what it’s worth.
Amen!!!
I wish my garage would do a vlog when inspecting my car nice one Ray 👍
Take a GoPro with you and have them show you. Do NOT give them your phone... or give them an old phone.
I always insist at looking at "the problem" before they "fix" it. And they hate it, especially since I'm a woman. (Worked in auto industry over 25 yrs)
They always say "no customers in the shop" I tell them I got steel toes on. If they don't let me see, I say put it back together, I'm leaving... Yeah, they have a sign, big deal.
The shop I go to now is very accommodating. Also, since I can tell them what the issue is, they know I know things.
They're amazed at the condition of my 15 yo SUV @144k. (Cause I don't let clowns work on it.) 🤡
A friend had the same issue with her GC, check engine light and a million codes. I casually suggested check the ground strap on the transmission and of course it had rotted out. Fixed that and no more codes. Funny enough it wasn't long after the Jeep got replaced with a Landcruiser.
Ray is back in his element and area of expertise. Ray the engine builder is out of his league. Ray the general mechanic and diagnostic expert is outstanding. This is where he shines.😎
I watched the entire series. Obviously most would have done the rings and all the machine work that was needed but I still think he did a great job
@@ChadMcgowen
Unless you are a mechanic/engine builder/machinist, you might think that.
@shakerman55 just a gm tech wtf would I know. Other than the engine is in the car running fine.
@@ChadMcgowen
Except for the longevity busting “clatter” that lasted 5 minutes plus. If you’re a real GM mechanic that knows what he’s doing, then you would know that there is an oil galley plug on the lower left side. Real engine builders remove that plug and screw in an adapter. They then attach a pressure vessel filled with oil and pressurize the oil system to remove the air. This doesn’t take long and it eliminates the clatter of metal parts and lifters starving for oil. Yea, the engine ran, but it will last about a third of what it would have. You must be the GM mechanic that gives the dealership a bad name from lazy service.
Yes, he cut a few corners. The worst one was not pressurizing the oiling system before engine installation. Turning the engine over before cranking does not accomplish this, as we heard from all of the clatter that took so long to get quiet. Hopefully so called GM mechanics will learn their trade well enough to know this and not neglect their due diligence. Especially when they are charging a customer to perform a professional job.
Other than that, I agree that Ray is a great general mechanic and is really good at diagnostics. And I hope his shop continues to do well.
Blinker fluid : good!
Yean, this vehicle just screamed electrical problems right from the start. It's amazing how useful a full and detailed visual inspection can be for electrical issues.
Ray I've been watching your videos since before you got your own shop. I really appreciate your wire trouble shooting methods. If you were in Ohio I'd bring my rusted 2000 Astro to you for work. :) But the reason I'm writing this is about the lift Kit. Most that install these lift kits don't understand that they need to either lengthen the sway bar linkage the same lift height or lower the sway bar mounting brackets or the sway bar will hold the suspension up putting great stress on the sway bar ends. Thanks for all your work and super camera skills.
That was an interesting one, things are not always what they seem. One thing I have learned from watching Ray and others is to check the grounds!!
Maybe a helpful note on the water in the passenger footwell. I had a 2002 Grand Cherokee flooding in that area and finally found that the collector behind the passenger carpet needed a longer drip tube. Added 8 inches of tubing and fixed...
Love your ability to look deeper and find the real issues, I think a not so diligent service centres would go crazy replacing as much as possible and giving the owner a huge invoice replacing parts and added labour just to make a score from a unsuspecting vehicle owner.
Nice job troubleshooting and not being overwhelmed with fault codes (as I would be). Your understanding of the complete system on these various vehicles is very impressive. That spacer lift on the front takes away suspension down travel by at least the amount of the spacer and probably more due to suspension geometry. I know on my 4Runner that any front spacer lift reduces front suspension down travel by the spacer thickness times 1.5. The overall suspension travel remains the same, the up travel increases by the amount the down travel decreases. And as you noticed the outer boots are rubbing on the lower control arm.
Castor Troy bringing you more Jeeps 😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
That's what I said! 😂
it’s funny how you went through and explained most of the stuff… i remember asking a mobile mechanic what it would cost to diagnose my check engine light and s not him the codes he said “that’s a lot of codes” it was like maybe twelve but most were repeats so🤷🏿♂️😂😂😂😂😂
Ahhh back to Rainman and coffee mornings 😎
5:49 Chrysler logic "hey let's place a module in a path of a tire"! SMH
Location is not the issue. Whomever installed the lift kit removed the wheel well liners which would have protected the TPMS modules.
Yea. Let’s put a plastic TPMS module in the wheel well of an “off road” vehicle, as there is no problem with rocks hitting it. The plastic liner is rock proof.
Wow! Teriffic problems with this one.! Thanks ray! Great video
Thank you for sharing your video , and you have yourself an awesome day filled with new unused parts that cause your productivity to fall .
Sadly we all will pay for the parts theft there’s no free lunch .
Thanks again
It looks like a "shade tree mechanic" special 😮
Damn thats a lot of wheel weights 😯
Hi Ray!
My wife and I enjoy your show!
The ground strap under the Jeep attaches to the exhaust flange down there.
You will find the connector there.
Thank you for all you do!
Notice the nice and shiny steering stops. 😂🤣
Driving offroad usually means extra repairs - a low priced lift kit that doesn't fit well is normal extra repairs -
Still love your Diagnosing action
I hope we get to see this jeep restored to its former glory.
This is a Jeep that has been neglected for a long time in many ways and so it will take a lot on costs to repair it properly. It's well worth it though. This generation Jeep was excellent.
Never fails that any jeep that comes in the shop is a complete basket case
Ask them about the rekey, some of us like two keys for the vehicle. Remember when it was one for the door and a second for the ignition? I miss those days
Those days were kinda bad also. Those era cars were some of the least reliable ever.
@@nissan300ztt In the days before computer control became a thing on cars/trucks/vans, 90% could be fixed with minimal equipment, just a bag of spanners, a jack, and a good service manual, I'm no mechanic, but on pre 80s cars I often fixed a fault on my own, with just a circuit tester/light and a few spanners and a trusty Haynes workshop manual. I don't stand a chance with modern cars, as I couldn't justify the expense of the diagnostic equipment needed just to locate a fault, I maybe old but I remember pre computer days when they were just coming into our lives, that our teacher told us " these computers are going to make your lives so much easier" how wrong could someone with a higher education be lol, I mean come on, get a power out and the world comes to a standstill !!!!
@@nemesismcc
You can get a code scanner for $100.
Autozone has them, they will scan your car for you and give you the codes.
Out of the pan and into the fire with the land rover.
@@peterwill3699 Again another good old Car ruined by modern technology, right up to the series 3 and some of the earlier discovery's the Land Rover was the king of the off roaders, simple mechanics that worked well, then Landrover went through several changes of ownership and things went down hill fast, Ford being the biggest problem Land-Rover had.
I see a series a foot. My automobile fix it channels has me staying clear of most auto brands these days. Ray and SMA are my two favorite YT channels.
Ground straps 1st
Got yourself a real Florida truck there. I mean except that it runs.
At the start of the video, Ray says that this vehicle was recently purchased. Sounds like they didn't do a pre-purchase inspection, which wold have pointed out all these issues, and making their decision to not buy it pretty easy.
Sun roof leak... the drains are most likely plugged. Water weeping in past the seals should drain and no impact the interior. A few pipe cleaners with dawn dish soap, then some compressed air, followed by nice warm soapy water washing/rinsing out the tubes... We have to do ours every year.
Those ground wires alone could be causing all the electrical issues. I'd start there and see what happens with the codes. Good luck trying to sell them on new parts to fix that lift though lol
RAY I would not touch this thing with even one of your 10 foot poles!
The sunroof leak, check the drain ports on the front corners that are routed down inside the two "a" roof column. My f-350',s had both drained clogged by Dirt Dobber wasp. They cemented tube for almost six inches of nest mud casings. Had to take off fender liners to access the drain outlets
that had to look up Ford shop manual to find the drains. Florida has these wasps so you know how they do to find nestspots.
I bought a 2010 GMC Sierra 2 WD that the previous owner had installed a spindle lift kit on. I put it all back to stock, put stock wheels and tires on it. Upgraded brakes and rotors, removed the Chinese LED lights, repaired a bunch of hacked wires and installed wheel liners that were MIA. Spent some time and $, but I know what I have now. Still chasing an intermittent parasitic draw. Saved thousands by doing it myself. My ex moved to New York, and just got a $1050 bill for an alternator and a battery… She’s learning how much we saved by me “playing “ with our vehicles….. That would have been $500-600 DIY…..
2 words GROUND STRAPS. have yourself an awsome day my friend
Having many jeeps, this thing could have a engine ground issue or the trans could have a few broken springs in the accumulator in the trans. If they fail, the accumulators won't return and drag clutch packs and cause excessive heat in the trans.
Ray will fix it fix it do not panic 😁have fun everybody
Great video Ray, as usual. Whenever you do a "post purchase inspection" I know that a haunted house situation is coming up. Used car dealers always try to pass off Check Engine Light as a simple fix. If it's so simple why not fix it yourself. I have gone with friends to check out cars, and as soon as I hear something like that, I know the dealer is a crook. Even worse are dealers who try to sell REALLY bad cars out of their house, as a private sale. Run away!!!
For the axles in the front, check out RCV axles
RCV discontinued their axel kits that would fit these model year Jeeps, for the 2005-2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK1) model years as well as those for the equivalent 2006-2010 Jeep Commander (XK) model years; however, one might have some luck trying to convince RCV to custom build a set of CV axels. Outside of this, you'd have to find a used pair and rebuild them to be like-new.
Hope the customer goes ahead love to see the follow videos
Money Pit !
Ray I have the perfect tool for this Jeep. U.S. Army issued M67. Several of them.
In my diagnostics skills, I found 80 percent is cable management cables can loose their 100 percent connection even though they are connected. Just my thoughts.... thanks Ray for another great video
Something is very wrong here, weve got a 2006 jeep Cherokee...... NUFF SAID lmao. OK, I'm at 22:55 and my hunch is when you moved those wires to check the condition you may have alleviated the short hence the MIL is off 37:00 my hunch plays right into your hunch as well I love it when my brain makes sense with other mechanic brains. Great vid cant wait to see if this hunch plays out in a hopefully, decently, easy way. thanks for sharing this and you guys are awesome have another great day!!
-The lift kit needs to be removed
-Wheel tire too big, which crushed that module on the wheel well. You can see where the previous owner modified the wheel well for fitment
-Those ground ribbons tied together and the one you broke needs to be replaced with actual cable. Will clear most of the codes
-Rear trailing arm bushings replace
-Ball joint replacement
-Cv axle and/or boot replacement
The Service 4W drive message is because of the ABS sensor fault. Just had this happen on my RAM 2500.
Awesome whole car troubleshooting.
I thought i needed a starter. Then I fixed my ground cable. Now i don't need a new starter.
Lowering kit, always the answer.
for the leaking sun roof , there are 4 drain hoses in the 4 corners of sun roof that are probably pluged up , either blow out with compress air or some how clean out 4 drain hoses
It's a Jeep doing Jeep Thing's 😂
Awesome lift kit! 😆Those grounds would be my first plan of action here.
My 88 Mustang GT was speed density controlled also. I converted it to carburetor.
thanks Ray
Sun Roof drain goes through grab handle and good luck with starter.
Was able to unbolt and disconnect from under left side. Removed through and over front axle. Video in profile 4.7 Jeep Commander
Great video, Ray!
Gonna see this jeep in a few videos to come.. I'm ready! Jeep thing
Focus ray loved that you are the man😂
Super Dave!
Great video Ray Man very interesting 👍 👌
Thank you.
1 ECM, 1 TCM, 1 BCM all interlinked, with several items passing through each control module, triggering multiple codes, causing customer palpitations and consternation, and giving the Mechanic a nightmare, all in the name of progress ! there are more cars hit the scrap yard these days because of " expensive repair bills" than there were 30 or 40 years ago, can you imagine a car of today still being around and drivable in 50 or 60 years, I mean look at some of the "old timer" cars, they've been on the road and covered more miles per breakdown, than any modern car can hope to achieve today
I get so many customers who have suspension issues that always trace back to a lift kit improperly installed. Lifts can and do cause many other parts to fail. I've seen wiring issues like this after a engine and/or transmission has been out or replaced. Somehow many technicians forget? Neglect? To properly route the wiring and loom .
Thanks, Mercedes and Fiat and Stellantis, and how many other companies that bought out Chrysler and ruined the Jeep. The lift kit didn't do the suspension any favors. In- proper grounding can cause many engine codes.
Diamler....
@@jilbertb I stand corrected.
@@jilbertbDaimler-Benz formed in 1926. Mercedes is Diamler and has been for 100 years.
Electrical issues is almost certainly a true diagnosis
But fix the ground-straps first! Bad grounds are a different kind of electrical issue - and much easier
hi Ray, you need longer shocks for the rear because of the 3'' spacers on top of coil . Good job !!!
I sure hope the new owner was planning on the monumental things wrong with this Jeep and they got an amazing deal on it! Drivability and electrical repairs can add up quickly.
Welcoming back!
Hey Ray I think I figured out what's wrong with it. 🤔
IT'S A JEEP!!!😂😂😂
Remember to replace that auto shut down module in fuse box… you switch modules with the A/C