T Tallis, If Ye Love Me, Vox Luminis
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- Thomas Tallis
1505 (?) - 1585
If Ye Love Me
Vox Luminis
Zsuzsi Toth, Sara Jaeggi, Maria Valdmaa, Lieselot De Wilde
Alexander Chance, Jan Kullmann
David Munderloh, Vojtech Semerád, Philippe Froeliger, Olivier Berten
Robert Buckland, Tomas Král
Bart Vanderweghe, Pieter Stas, Lionel Meunier (artistic direction)
St John's College Chapel in Cambridge (UK)
12-5-2016
NOTE:
this is from a stage rehearsal right before the concert at the same church, which I also recorded. however, the picture material of that concert is not very good.
this was recorded with a Sony HDR-MV1 and I paired the sound with a recording I made with an iphone, therefore the syncronisation is unfortunately not perfect (imovie used to work much better - APPLE!!!)
a musical NOTE:
we sang this as an encore in the concert. In England the tradition would be to singing this song at the higher pitch, the second version thus, but we also wanted to "introduce" the original pitch, a version for men's voices only. that's why we sang both right after each other, omitting the repeats though.
ENJOY!
SO missing singing. I am 76 and started at 6 years old joining my first adult choir at 15... never stopped, until this awful year.
Hopefully you've been able to get back to singing Valerie!
Valerie I hope you are singing again. I am also 76 and we our singing this at Wye church tomorrow.
I hope you've rejoined the choir. That awful year was here exactly to scare, depress and disconnect us grom the others.
Has someone who has not the faintest about music, this sounds wonderful...
Mentre le voci salgono con le loro eco sulle verticali pareti della cattedrale, dalle volte gotiche discende in noi la Voce dello Spirito Santo. E' l'incontro con lo Sposo che si manifesta anche con la bellezza trasfigurata di chi canta. E' proprio vero, come diceva Dostoevskij: ''Sarà la Bellezza (l'Amore) a salvare il mondo.'' Grazie, bravissimi.
While the voices rise with their echoes on the vertical walls of the cathedral, the Voice of the Holy Spirit descends in us from the Gothic vaults. It is the encounter with the Bridegroom that is also manifested in the transfigured beauty of the one who sings. It is really true, as Dostoevskij said: '' It will be Beauty (Love) that will save the world. '' Thanks, very good.
Such a tremendous presentation, as well as such a wonderful performance as only the English seem so capable of...THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!!....
Wonderful - but they aren't English but Belgian and French!
Thank You..that now...I stand corrected....@@deborahvanderbeek4853
Very, very beautiful. Acoustics were off the chain, and this performance took me to the 16th century.
I'm listening to this on Maundy Thursday. Sadly my (former) parish has dwindled to a praise band. How I miss those days when I heard sublime music such as this. It reminds me that my present agnosticism may not be permanent.
I know. The same is happening to music ed generally.
Straordinari...Fantastici.
Song text:
If ye love me, keep my commandments,
and I will pray the Father,
and He shall give you another Comforter,
that He may abide with you forever,
even the spirit of truth. (John 14:15-17)
Wow thank you
Excellent performance. Really enjoyed it
Absolutely divine.
Wonderful. Thank you so much!
Hermoso!!!
Only 15 person but u guys have wonderful voices..well done
Wunderschön ❤
Incredible!!!
This is so beautiful,one of the best I've heard, love it. voices magical.
Amazing talent. A Capella performed gorgeously!
At 1-50 MAGICAL as is all of this beauty, thank you,
What a prayer!!!!
It's simply beautiful! Congratulations!
Stunning performance and am happy to hear it as it was originally intended.
Interesting arrangement! I love the lower version for attb (or similar) and then the standard satb. Turns it into a piece worth performing ain a concert whereas I always feel it a little short otherwise. As ever, Vox Luminis is just a sound and an interpretation to die for. Keep it up! You're inspiring the thinking amateurs.
I also love the lower version, which I'm fairly certain is the original pitch for this piece. I've always thought the more frequently heard version that is a 4th up lacked depth to match the text. A wonderful, wonderful, performance
I agree.
It also points out how impotent the countertenor part adds to the ensemble.
Sadly female voices are lost as tone is too similar to soprano. (virbrato-less CT, that is)
Well said,so beautiful.
This was originally scored for TTBB.
I love the Synergy brass quintet version, magical.
Wonderful!!!! Thank you
Simply outstanding!
I felt in a dream with this voices
Merci 😘😘😘
Absolutely beautiful!
Wonderful. I love singing this one too. Then English is well pronounced too for presumably non native speakers. Purcell, Handel and Bach are my favourites to sing ever.
So wunderfull. ...wish that my voice lessons would just help me going a little bit to that😟
Wonderful!
Excelente.
Grazia e grazie
The contrast between the two versions is wonderful. I think the first version demonstrates exclusiveness whereas the second is complementary.
I notice the women do not seem to sing, at all, in the first round. Hunch is, that this orchestration is intentional. For purely musical reasons? Was there a wider advocacy at work? Was a, male/female, a, sacred/secular [divide] under exploration? The women are out numbered here, 11 to 4. Hunch, again, this was written during a historical time when this would not? have been written for women singers? * I could be mistaken.
I think its a great sound and I applaud it. Thank you. I have a hunch that what we are hearing is either the actual recording from this session, after significant post production, or, is actually a studio recording, also, carefully, timed, and painstakingly re-mixed, which has been inserted, back into the video, to really great effect, a wonderful slight of hand in either case. I think something similar was done by "Chore Leoni Choir sings Spaseniye sodelal, by Pavel Chesnokov, in San Salvatore Church, in Venice."
Unless I'm mistaking you, your question is answered up above: Click "Show More" and then see the authors "A Musical Note", where they state that the first version was sung in the original pitch, for mens voices only.
Thank you so much. I did not see the notes under the "Show More" section. If the sound quality is only from the cited camera, plus supplemented with an iPhone, I am very impressed, because I think the sound is quite good. It does look like the two versions were, (two versions), for reasons, musical, more, than there was an attempt to explore, secular/sacred, gender, possible, human development questions. Thank you so much again..
No probs. This piece is one of my favs and I prefer the higher pitch version, though it's interesting to note that the lower version originated before it and to compare the two.
This great piece by Tallis should not sound like a funeral dirge.
I don’t think it does at all, I’ve heard some variations of it where it definitely does though like the one uploaded by tenebrae choir
Amazing !
Mi piace !
From this audience member's perspective, truth be known, a limited window, please do, with rehearsal clips like this one, include the audio of the incidental conversations, right afterwards. There is no real need to fade that out, and it really brings the reality of a most human endeavor, to a most understandable plain. To have left, in, that audio would have humanized this moment in time all the more I think.. Thank you....
It’s alright
Polyphony : didn't the Pope ban that.
I Googled it:-
Pope John XXII issued a ban on polyphonic melodies. His reasoning? “They
intoxicate the ear without satisfying it” and create “a sensuous and
indecent atmosphere” during the liturgy. This ban on “lascivious,
impure” polyphonic music stayed in place until the mid 1500s.
Britain is Anglican Prodestant, we don't answer to the Pope.
@@JohnMacbeth You are correct, but Pope John XXII was considerably before the founding of the Anglican Church. At the time, England was officially a Catholic nation, as were most European nations. The Protestant reformation did not occur until 1517(according to most historians, anyway), and the Anglican Church specifically was not founded until 1534. Pope John XXII was the Pope in the 1300s. This piece, however, was almost certainly written after the founding of the Anglican Church, England's conversion, and possibly after the end of the ban on polyphony in the Catholic church, anyway.
Why does it sound to me like Monteverdi's Lament of the Nymph?
My computer had a technical problem; it was playing Lament of the Nymph by Monteverdi but it was showing Tallis If Ye Love Me, Vox Luminis. That is what happened.
Is this song also available for purchase somewhere? You guys are by far, my favorite group to sing this.
Listen to the cambridge singers. These dudes have nothing on them. I have written it out and will email a copy if you want.
These guys are great, but I also love the Gesualdo Six version, slower and somehow warmer
John 14:15
Poor Tallis, obliged to conform to ghastly Cranmerian constraints.
gabrieli1612
“Cranmerian restraints?” Don’t you mean writing music for a new Protestant establishment?
Tallis was born and died a Catholic.
Cranmer: best chap ever to happen to Christendom and its liturgy.