Who are The Risen?
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I'm new to the lion as a character but I'm enjoying the arc that he's going through. Really seems like a man who's exhausted but still knows he's got a job to do.
He recognizes that he was a bit of prick to his sons and is trying to redeem himself to them. I think that’s why he been in the shadows since his return and only coming out when the need is dire. His sons come first then the imperium.
I mean, not really, your description would fit Guilliman better, or even more so, Dante. Lion literally just woke up from a 10000 years slumber, and of course, by no means it was a good slumber, but it was certainly more rest than what Guilliman and certainly, Dante has had.
The old guard returning to clean up the mess the young ones have made like a exhausted parent picking up the kids toys for the millionth time lol
Does anyone question why the lion got the shield and robute got the sword like I thought it be the other way around unless the emporers gear have some special traits we don't know bout ? 🤔
@@dominictaylor8672Timing, mostly. Gman NEEDED that sword for the indomitus crusade.
The Risen and The Lion remind me of an estranged father meeting up with his equally estranged family, and now being older, wiser, and partly tired of being an asshole, wants to reconnect and do better than he had before. Most of his sons are still good, just not where they used to be, while some went wayward and can’t be helped. Overall, I like the Risen because deep down, despite reasons for being cruel, bitter, and unhelpful, the sons of the Lion still want to do good, fight evil, and make sure Mankind doesn’t get destroyed for the simple sin of existing within the same reality as everybody else.
Say you have daddy issues without saying you have daddy issues
@@mikesnyder3317 op put this beautifully. you're just being weird.
Iirc I think a Risen and Azrael fought alongside one another during the final Arks of Omen book. Azrael was literally quietly seething inside while the Risen laughed and patted him on the pauldron saying “Careful brother, we’re fighting together” or something on the lines of that. I know Azrael was just quietly thinking “must not kill Fallen, must respect fathers wishes”.
Yeah, Borz basically goes “He expects you to do your duty above all else, just as he reminded us to”, and Azrael was so conflicted that he nearly decks him in the face.
Its going to be intense in the sense like...So current day, dark angels are loony for hunting down the fallen (especially Asmodai) But then their gene father is like "no...the lot of these guys are good and you can learn from their experience." Then like, the Fresh primaris marines that are experienced that were put in stasis at the tail end of the heresy that heard what happened to Caliban but still don't know why only to be awakened in the indomitous crusade. Then, fresh in their minds, they get to actually see their primarch.
There's going to be very interesting conversations between the first born, the primaris, and the risen, with the lion having to deal with sorting his boys out, haha.
I think Azreal will grumble and whine a bit, but ultimately accept it, Belial might accept without too much complaint. Asmodai though, oooh boy, asmodai is gonna need some sense beaten into his skull, or the Lion is gonna have to give him the old Nemiel treatment.
Asmodai ranting about the fallen.
The Lion: Do you know the story of Nemiel the chaplain?
@@sajadhoxhaj6603Asmodai (visibly confused): "Nem.. Nemiel the Chaplain?"
The Lion - "(Point to a small dent in the command deck of the Invincible Reason) See that dent, son? That's where his head landed when arguing with me."
Son of the forest was such a great book can’t wait till his next one.
I can't get that book till next year in my country 😭
I started it the day it came out on audiobook and finished it in a weekend while working out. Fantastic. But I've heard some people complain that it makes the Lion look weak by making him old and second guessing his previous actions. Those people don't understand what character development is.
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I really liked it as well, bought it and read it during useless/boring classes. I want more already, they are taking way too long to gives a Lion trilogy of trying to get to Terra and meet his bro
I loved the book. Gave the same atmosphere as the old Robin of Sherwood TV show with it's mystic forests and old English style mythical heroic archetypes. Infact I'd recommend listening to the music of Clannad who did the RoS theme music while reading. Perfectly fits the tone.
The Rizzen are by far my favorite faction introduced in recent years. A collection of hardened survivors with 10,000 years of experience being brought back into the fold to aid humanity in it's darkest hour. All while sporting the original colors of their legion. An army of black knights ready to shine light in this Dark Imperium
The "RIZZen"... I hate gen whatever I'm supposed to be.
@@bruv233 rizzen is based
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@@bruv233lmao seethe
@@Bread-nx9fo "CRINGIFY HIM ASMODAI!"
Imagine the Lion and lads just straight up teleporting aboard the vengeful spirit and game ending the warmaster lol
Russ very nearly did that with his spear
“Hey Grimdark Siri, play Tubthumping by Chumbawamba.”
- Zabriel maybe
I can't stop hearing "Rizzen"...
Help me.
It's over for you brother the rot in your briian spread too far for us to save you.
In the arks of omen book the lion, there’s a page which depicts the fallen characters from the lion son of forest book. Zabriel has a sick hooded look which I hope GW releases his model.
Galad is one of my favorite Risen, mostly due to the fact that he’s a Inner Circle Cenobium Knight (the hyper elite terminators of the 1st Legion).
what I think of the Risen? well.. I just finished to listen to the audiobook of "Lion, son of the forest"... for the sixth time... man I love that book... I would love to see many many more book like it, where the Lion goes on an introspective jurney while finding other Risen and, eventualy, getting rid of many corrupted enemies... I really love how Zabiel talks of what was life in the legion before the primarch, and how it was with him... I would also love to see more books on the now named character: Zabriel, obviously, but also Launciel and Galad.. obviously Lohoc... and Kai... damn I would love to see a book where Kai is out doing some bidding for the Lion and he stumble upon Lukas the Trickster... but probably we will never see anything beyond what we just got.. cause GW is the master in dropping good storyline...
One reason why I love Galad is that it means there’s now a Inner Circle Cenobium Knight in 40k. I also love how Kai boasted to be the best swordsman other than the Lion (which he is lucky that Corswain wasn’t there to beat some sense into him).
@@alexyoblick those exchnges are priceless, that book is really something special
A small point about Luther, it's very likely that Luther wouldn't have been turned had he not been on Caliban, he remained loyal for a while but then an old colleague of his from the order convinced him to read a tainted book which is what sent Luther on the path to becoming a Horus 2.0 of sorts.
I hope the risen grow considerably in number and lead to a revival of the 1st legion of sorts, helping re-establish all the wings and orders, knowledge, secrets and weapons that they've lost, finding old caches of weapons and secret knowledge and such.
You could have multiple series of books on the risen alone, one following the Lion, one following Zahariel as he finds and converts more fallen, maybe Bors could have a series where he leads a force of Risen and Dark Angels to find various Caches of weapons and knowledge hidden in old isolated 1st legion outposts that may have been home to unique orders of the 1st legion.
Like maybe they find the old fortress of the order of broken claws or the argent spire or something.
I remember there was one order mentioned to have a hollowed out asteroid for an outpost or a chain of them maybe.
Kinda like a treasure hunting Indiana jokes but with super soldier space knights.
I hope we see all the risen from son of the forest in more books with the Lion because every one of them was amazing, I love each of them, Zahariel, Lohoc, Kai, Bors, Aphkai, and so on.
Also I think it's worth noting that, the Lion definitely cared for and loved his sons in the heresy as well but when it came to Caliban, after going through the whole heresy to find his own home in open rebellion, it makes sense that he just wanted to rip and tear after everything he'd been through and what he should have been coming home too.
New Lion is very much "serve me or die" he does not allow Chaos marines to live
You gotta appreciate just how terrifying most any Primarch would be, if they’d tackle some of their faults/mistakes.
But the Lion especially.
When you get to the Blood Angels, PLEASE do the Flesh Tearers. They're absolutely my favorite chapter, and I'd love to see them get more exposure. Love your stuff!
Ooh boy, here I go listening again
Honestly I’ve found the risen to be so compelling that I’ve wanted to start an based on them with the lion and a bunch of DA forgeworld kits for quite some time now
I actually love this new chapter for The Dark Angels, i never really gave a shit about them or The Lion until this whole going around redeeming them creating The Risen thing, i think that was the best way to take them
The Lion is such a great character, he actually has growth and understands that his past self was an arrogant moron who killed his own soldiers out of anger. He's humble and ready to help the Imperium.
Honestly I've always liked the idea of rogue/renegade space marines that still fight for humanity just not the Imperium.
If you think about it they're honestly some of the most morally upstanding marines given at this point they're basically beholden to no one now. They could do literally whatever they want but despite that they still choose to fight for humanity because *they just think it's the right thing to do.*
Hey dude, I just wanted to let you know that I love your content and think you're doing a really great job! Its a super nice casual take to Warhammer lore.
Yeah keep it up!
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@@TheBoneZone40k anytime bro
If you think about it. In universe the book title is literally his name translated from Calibanite. Lion El Jonson in universe literally means "son of the forest. Reminds me of out of universe Corvus Corax the Raven.
I wasn't a Dark Angels fan until reading Son of the Forest. It was my first read into 40k, having only listened to CZcams lore makers before. I love the Risen. I love this new version of the Lion.
One thing with the risen that hasn't been addressed yet is the primaris question. Are they going to make them primaris now that they're joining the dark angels? I'm sure the lion will notice that the current dark angels are like a foot taller than the old ones.
Knowing the Lion, he won't turn down an advantage. Zabriel would definitely survive considering just how fucking old he is and all the history surrounding him and his creation.
@@starhammer5247Zabriel served with the emperor if I recall
@@cc-bk3tx He served with the Emperor and he was named by him. Being one of the Uncrowned Princes tends to give you a lot of seniority.
I made an entire Army of risen Dark Angels with a Homebrew lore that really connected well with the most recent events in the setting
No one ever talks about this but the Risen becoming a faction essentially changes the whole of the grim dark universe. You’re adding concepts like redemption and mercy to the story which is not something we’re used to seeing in a dark future where there is only war.
Risin are my favorite thing in 40k in years. Loyalist 30k marines in 40k is my jam
Dark Angels along with the Fist and Raven Guard are my favorite Legion. Since these 3 are the Legions who are loyal and are here to do their job, whether to exterminate, protect or be stealthy.
With all these Risen coming to join the Lion I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and make a guess. I hope/think/want Zahariel to return soooo badly. Whether it be as Cipher or just himself. My man NEEDS some repentance. He's probably my favorite character from the Horus Heresey so far.
I haven't consumed the source media, but from what I can tell the Risen is exactly what I was hoping for for the Dark Angels. I know it's the beginning of the end for established dynamics among 1st Legion successors, loyal or traitor, and I DO love the established Dark Angels schtick... but in my heart of hearts I was always rooting for all this stuff to start getting cleared up "in the future". Well, the future is here and on balance I'm kinda okay with it...
...doesn't make the introduction of Primaris Marines or Cawl or any of that other weirdness any less poorly-handled, but in this instance I'm more intrigued than repulsed by the development.
I'm on the same boat. But i've come to belive that the primaris should have been an Emperor's idea to correct the raptor stink-up, that he left to teenage unpaid intern Cawl because he was busy. Cawl would have to spend the whole 10k years working using Big E's seal to get away with it in secret and rising to archmagos in his own merit on the proyect. If the primaris were ready just in time to the gathering storm it would be a good reason for Cawl to try and heal Bob, and I belive that if they were as much of a surprise for Bob as they were for everyone else it would have been less jaring. You now, the Emperor's last delayed gift to the species he failed, maybe one last sword forged in defience of Fate on the fires of a Galaxy that has been burning for 10.000 years. (Sorry for the fanfiction).
I miss drowsy Arthur 😔
Also I really like the concept of the Risen, it feels like the dad that went to buy milk and then finally returned as an actual dad, both gives the lion more personality and gives the dark angels a change of air from the paranoid killers to something else now that they dont need to hunt them anymore.
Drowsy Arthur sounded like bro was baked asf but still decided that he wanted to record a video.
They'll still hunt them, but the Lion will be the one to judge and execute. Those like Zabriel would be given the option to be recruited or keep living life while those like Serafax will get murdered.
I miss drowsy Arthur too
What Chapter has the most pull with the ladies?
The RIZen.
Riz'em up
"Nah, we good" us my favourite part of Warhammer lore I've learned today
I have turned around on the Lyon and the Dark Angels because of this new lore. I never really paid much attention to them before and I always thought they were kinda lame, but I've been learning more about them and I like them alot. They are now in my top five chapters/legions.
Lyon?
I honestly like that humanity has less 'everyone is terrible' and allow for more sympathetic characters and factions. Honestly I wouldn't touch the Dark Angels with a 10 ft pole. But now, with The Lion learning from his mistakes and the Risen I am now intrigued by them.
So much of 40K issues can be chalked down to miscommunication between multiple parties.
your first video gave me an interest in these guys, but after this new stuff with the Lion... I think I love Dark Angels now... god dammit, now I have to buy another army! I have to save money to move in 8 months, what have you done to me?!
Didn't expect to find the Dark Angels interesting today.
The Dark Angels are my jam so I’m glad this is how you started Chapter 1A (because the Dark Angels are the first…nevermind). Your work just gets better and better and I look forward to every new release! And I only have one question.
WHEN CYPHER.
I know. I’m an asshole, lol.
Wait. It just dawned on me that you could in fact be Alpharius dropping misinformation on us all along. Not THE Alpharius but an Alpharius. Shit. Damnit W40K you’ve broken my brain.
“I could give misinformation” but doesn’t. Lion is proud.
Honestly the more i learn about these guys the more i think i might make a dark angels army
They had fallen, but now they can get up
I'm so excited for the dark angels to get the hell over the fallen. I think the dark angels are probably one of the biggest waist of a good concept for a chapter, with them starting as monster hunting knights sworn to protect the people to them being a traitor legon who would abandon any ally in the middle of a war because the warp sed something about the fallen being on the other side of the galaxy.
I always thought that the Lion was one of the less interesting primarchs before Son of the Forest was released, now I think he has more potential than any other character, each primarch that returns has less impact than the last, but unlike Rowboat Gorillaman the Lion can do other stuff besides run the imperium.
In my Chaos army, I have a unit of Chosen whom I have portrayed with Dark Angels models as Fallen.
I have also always said that they were attempting to infiltrate Chaos warbands to assassinate dangerous individuals.
With the Risen, this kind of plot line is actual canon.
Firstly, good video.
Secondly, you completely neglected the breaking of Caliban. The planet shattered and was sucked into a warp rift, dragging the fallen with it and scattering them across space and time, which is why Fallen are still just emerging from the warp up to the present setting and the Dark Angels only managed to catch a small percentage of them in 10,000 years.
Thirdly, it isn't teleportation. He folds space. A warp ship shortcuts between two points in realspace via the warp, which can be described as realspace bending or folding around the straight warp shortcut. The Lion enters a pocket dimension within the warp that folds the warp around it, folding realspace twice as sharply. Possibly exponentially harder, as he can walk faster than ships can warp jump.
When I first started playing back in the 90s The Fallen where just a thing the DA had a secret about. That became a meme. The Risen seem sort of cool. Almost like the DAs version of the Death Company.
I got an idea! Could you possibly make an episode on ogryn? I mean some of the genetically modified ones can go toe to toe with a space marine
Ging to be honest. I couldnt care less about the DA until I read the book and now the Lion and the DA are my fave SMs
Is the son of the forest that good?
@@mizublackriver7021very much so I'm reading it now and it's awesome
@@mizublackriver7021 Yeah the book is really good, well written, i've enjoyed the story and it made the Lion into a very likeable character. Really worth the read!
@@mizublackriver7021it is. I also disliked Dark Angels and the Lion. This book completely changed my mind. It is really good!
I don't need a new army-i don't need a new army-i GOOOOD DAMNIT
I think ya picked a good one to start with. The Fallen were pretty much the raison d'etre to the entirety of the old First Legion's unity, a unity that was comparable to the bonds of unity shared between the sons of Sanguinius. Their dark secret, their aching scar, and unifying foe.
Now that the Lion is back and protecting some of the "Risen" I'm curious how many of his sons will be okay with this. The Dark Angels successors spent their entire existences dedicated to hunting down the Fallen and now some are being shielded by their own father. Whether they accept his orders or history repeats I don't know.
As for Luther, he's an interesting character. The nuke ya mentioned, he nearly let it be detonated but it wasn't due to Chaos. It was due to jealousy. The Lion may have unified Caliban but he needed Luther to do the talking on account of The Lion's extreme aspberger's. Luther realized how petty he was and told the Lion. As for the reason of banishment, it sounded more like the Lion was ashamed that he didn't know his father as well as he did. Luther only started getting spikey around the Horus Heresy.
Combined with how Zahariel, the son who saved the Lion, was treated and turned to Chaos out of spite, yeah I can see how Lion is feeling some guilt. If he hadn't sent Zahariel and Luther back they might not have been corrupted by the Ouroboros. If he hadn't been so prideful maybe he could have read Luther's reports and seen what was going on with Caliban. He failed his sons and his father figure so I can see him taking it hard now.
As for the Fallen before hand, it was complicated. If memory serves there were like five factions of the Fallen before the destruction of Caliban:
1. The Jailed: Loyalists who were jailed after a failed attempt to sway them to Luther's side
2. The Order: Luther's team who wanted an independent Caliban and went on to conquer up to a sector
3. The Mystai: Zahariel's order who were closet chaos worshippers and probably formed the backbone of the more Chaosy Fallen
4. The First: A bunch of idiots who followed Astelan who said they were loyal to the Emperor but thought that the Lion was an awful leader and unfit to lead. (These are the most unreliable as Astelan himself is a liar and an idiot, since despite being one of the first 5,000 astartes it took him forever to reach any real rank in the Legion, and that was after the Lion took over. Now there's plenty who were loyalists but weren't partaking in the same crackpipe as Astelan)
The concept of “Grumpier Ol’ Men” reconquering the galaxy is just absolute Joy for me…
I'm loving the Risen story line. I'm hoping for more books based on them.
I’m so happy you’ve covered these guys just at the right time as I’ve bought the lion and starting my own Risen/redeemed force. I love your content and keep up the amazing videos!
I have wanted a redemption story for those thought lost for some time. It’s why I love chapters that might have traitor origins.
Good book. Now regarding the fallen/risen, I'd be sorely disappointed if Lion doesn't slav educative-slap(not the kind he used to knock that guy's head clean off his neck(level 5 of 4), but the "reset to factory default" kind instead) the collective dark angel successor chapter masters with something to the tune of "pull yourselves together, other legions had traitors too and don't hide that fact, you focus on fighting the emperor's enemies, I and risen will deal with the fallen situation".
I hope Daddy Deepstrike and the War Crime bois get more lore
I miss when the setting was allowed to have mysteries, and unanswered questions. But seeing as they already burnt the bridge by res-ing Roboute, they had to wake up more primarchs, and you couldn't wake up the lion without treading on the "Who was the real traitor?" debacle. Still, that's a lot of the appeal and mystique of the Dark Angels up in smoke now.
Lmao the series with the greatest amount of mysteries is now apparently not aloud to have them because they gave slightly more details about a couple of things. Star Wars fans and Warhammer fans truly have more in common than they realize…
couple of issues i have with the rises and the fallen:
1)95% of the fallen before Lion of the Forest: "Wow, CHAOS is great, CHAOS, CHAOS"
95% of the fallen after Lion of the forest "Boo to Chaos, Boo, I say"
Some consistency would be nice.
2) Cypher is still a wildcard, in the last book he is literally both Chaos and Order, he is both possibilities at the same time.
3) Luther will need to be adressed in this edition.
I’m excited to see you do the crimson fists FOR RYNNS WORLD FOR THE EMPEROR
Great video. The Risen are a unique chapter for sure. Very cool
MOAR BONES!
Being new to 40k I really appreciate the kind of choppy speech. Feels wholesome.
Remember that time Kharn was fighting Azreal and sad he was wearing a "Ridiculous helmet." I had a chuckle at that exchange
the rizzen joke will never not be a little funny to me. Its like amogus, it always keeps a small amount of funny at least
if a dark angel desires to start a family he must be rizzen
40k so rarely gives anyone a redemption arc that I have to love the idea of The Risen just because they’re being given a chance to make things right.
NEW SERIES BABE WAKE UP
if they can smooth talk their way back into the Dark Angels, they should be called the Rizzen
thanks mr bones for using my art featured at 4:30 love your lore videos btw
oh shit
I'm actually a big fan of your art!!!!
@@TheBoneZone40k thanks!
I started playing Warhammer 40K less than a year before the announcement of 10th edition and I made a custom chapter that was more or less the Risen but they just hadn’t been on Caliban during the Breaking. So I’ve got mixed feelings have kinda predicted the lore but also not sure what to do with the faction I just made 😅
I love me the rizzen 🥶
another video from the blessed Arthur let's fuckin go
always a good lore video
I love the Fallen and always have. I hate interrogator chaplains and the shittiness of the Dark Angels in their attempts to protect their 'honor'. Having the Fallen become the Risen is one of my favorite pieces of new lore.
I would like to see Asmodai's reaction to Risen.
He better be careful, otherwise we might have another Nemial case on our hands.
the Lion's new ability doesn't seem to be tied to the Fallen specifically.. just that he can travel to anywhere a member of the DA is. the fact he's finding Fallen is probably just because the fallen are the only members of the DA's that he knows, because they're all from the Heresy Era.. he doesn't know anyone from the M41 dark angels.
Probably until Dante tells him about them which is why he ends up facing Angron.
Lion convincing the Fallen to serve him again would make them the.. Rizzen.. no?
War of Secrets where the dark angels hire Kais to kill the AA fortress monastery is funny AF
The Risen are Rizzin
Its all the sons with enough rizz to be welcomed back to the legion
I can't wait till he meets up with the Dark Angels of the Rock.
Perfect excuse for a chaos space marine conversion
If there's one thing we all know about the Risen, it's that Asmodai is _not_ going to take the news about them well.
Damb, do i watch these now or way for a big competition video again 😆
The Risen more like the Rizzen.
The Rizzin'.
Best of luck to you. :)
OH YEAH!!!! "FOR THE ALGORITHM!!!!! AND THE RISEN, PRAISE THE LION!!!!
.....Sooooo,....when ya gonna talk about Cypher??!?
Imagine being one of the fallen that came out of the warp 5 years after caliban
having been in the 40k hobbie for 20 plus years a magority of the new lore is incredably good and some is well overdue like this
You could do like a speculation on Blood Ravens or like explain if they exist in the lore or just exist in the games, just a suggestion.
Great video. ;)
Hard disagree with your take on Luther. I can't remember a lot of The First of The Fallen but wasn't there just this vast Chaos orchestrated conspiracy to corrupt the DA, it halfway works and cut to a lot of misunderstandings and assumptions later and somehow Luther is made the face of the betrayal? I specifically remember a chunk of DAs being really unhappy with the direction the legion was going, more and more Caliban Knight traditions were being erased and they pretty much just announced "We follow Luther" and him going "What the barreling fuck are you talking about?"
These guys are goated
I want more risen lore, and plastic risen with great crusade era gear
u should make a supercut of the marine chapters
Interesting, ill sub 👍
Aw sweet. Twenty part series? Does this mean you’ll do a Flesh Tearers ep?
Cause I gotta say. If you absolutely, positively have to do a video on a blood angels successor, you can’t go wrong with them.
“But then, what authority do I hold over you, Zabriel of Terra?’ the Lion asked, apparently speaking to himself as much as to me.
‘The galaxy we were created for is long gone, as are the order and structures into which we fitted.
You are my son, and I am a son of the Emperor, but so was Perturabo, yet Barabas Dantioch betrayed him and ended up saving my life.’
I did not speak. I had no idea who Barabas Dantioch was, although this was a tale of which I was intrigued to hear more.”
I REALLY can’t wait to see the Lion meet Asmodai