What’s Up With Zoro in Egghead?
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- What’s Up With Zoro in Egghead?
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Cannot believe I have to make this video but a lot of you guys have been commenting not only on my past Zoro videos but I’ve also been seeing on twitter a lot that Zoro in egghead is weaker than Sanji and he’s not as strong as he was in Wano or was overhyped. Basically they always have something negative to say about him and say that bros a fraud. So today we will be analyzing if Zoro is indeed weak or a fraud and if you want more one piece content like this regarding egghead, like maybe a Sanji scaling video next, let me know down below. Now before I can talk about Zoro's scaling in egghead I would like to just talk briefly about how much of a monster he became in Wano, as not only did he tap into advanced armament but also advanced conquerors which those two alone, are things only accessible to relevant top tiers within the one piece world. And we see blatantly gain better control of Enma and now being able to use it pretty comfortably by the end of Wano. In this arc as we all know, he survives a combo attack from big mom and kaido along with outpacing and scarring round 1 hybrid kaido. And although Kaido wasn’t going all out and was nowhere near his peak which was near the end of Wano, Zoro would go on to gain mastery over Enma and even after all the damage he took in Wano, he still one shot King the moment he was fully becoming one with Enma. So you could only imagine how strong Zoro would be after recovering from his injuries and then sailing to another island, where as we know with each island the strawhats pass, they grow stronger. Yes this is mainly a factor in pre timeskip but post timeskip should not contradict this. Roronoa Zoro, also known as "Pirate Hunter" Zoro, is the combatant of the Straw Hat Pirates, one of their two swordsmen, one of the Senior Officers of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, and is publicly recognized as the right-hand man of his crew's captain Monkey D. Luffy. "Black Leg" Sanji, born as Vinsmoke Sanji, is the cook of the Straw Hat Pirates and one of the Senior Officers of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet. He is the fifth member of the crew and the fourth to join, doing so at the end of the Baratie Arc. Born as the third son and fourth child of the Vinsmoke Family (thus, making him a former prince of the Germa Kingdom), he disowned his family twice, once in his youth and again after reuniting with them as an adult. After fleeing the Vinsmokes as a child, he eventually entered the care of Zeff as the sous chef of the Baratie, where he would remain until he met Monkey D. Luffy, who convinced him to join his crew. His dream is to find the rumored chef's paradise, All Blue, which is where East Blue, West Blue, North Blue, and South Blue meet, along with their wildlife. He is one of the top three fighters of the Straw Hats, alongside Luffy and Zoro, who are referred to as the "Monster Trio". One Piece (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Eiichiro Oda. It has been serialized in Shueisha's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Jump since July 1997, with its individual chapters compiled into 104 tankōbon volumes as of November 2022. The story follows the adventures of Monkey D. Luffy, a boy whose body gained the properties of rubber after unintentionally eating a Devil Fruit. With his pirate crew, the Straw Hat Pirates, Luffy explores the Grand Line in search of the deceased King of the Pirates Gol D. Roger's ultimate treasure known as the "One Piece" in order to become the next King of the Pirates. The manga spawned a media franchise, having been adapted into a festival film produced by Production I.G, and an anime series produced by Toei Animation, which began broadcasting in 1999. Additionally, Toei has developed fourteen animated feature films, one original video animation, and thirteen television specials. Several companies have developed various types of merchandising and media, such as a trading card game and numerous video games. The manga series was licensed for an English language release in North America and the United Kingdom by Viz Media and in Australia by Madman Entertainment. The anime series was licensed by 4Kids Entertainment for an English-language release in North America in 2004 before the license was dropped and subsequently acquired by Funimation in 2007. One Piece has received praise for its storytelling, world-building, art, characterization, and humor. It has received many awards and is ranked by critics, reviewers, and readers as one of the best manga of all time. Several volumes of the manga have broken publishing records, including the highest initial print run of any book in Japan. In 2015 and 2022, One Piece set the Guinness World Record for "the most copies published for the same comic book series by a single author".
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Zoro is not a fraud, its just that people think lucci's weak when he really isnt
Yep
lucci's not weak but not on FP Zoro's level.
Lucci is weak.
@@selfimprovement5873 No, no he isn't
@@thehdtv7552zoro has never been on Luccis level in the entire story. You can't be watching one piece
Fans when Oda give Zoro spotlight: “ Sanji sucks he is just fighting stupid dinosaurs while Zoro is scarring Kaido”
Fans when Oda give Sanji spotlight: “Zoro sucks he is getting cooked by a ratty house cat while Sanji is deflecting light beams!”
Facts: Sanji always fights the strongest characters while Zoro is away from the crew…..😂😂😂😂
@joeycash9739 The only time they are fighting similar strength opponents was king and queen. But Zoro got ACOC and way better animation. Sandi animation was good but not to that level!
I know there are scenarios where they are fighting similar level opponents but still!
I personally think this arc made sanji look sooo bad like all this mf did was fight s shark and get beat up by kizaru and get vegapunk killed
@classifiedinformation960 Sanji has had some crazy speed feats this arc and at least he is involved in everything. Also story wise the scene with Sanji promising Bonney was cool (although it didn't go well).
@@leisharout6155 I’m just glad sanji hasn’t had any heart eyes or nosebleeds from Bonnie she is mf 12 😭 so at least that’s good but bro is still not in the clear like on wano he gets the invisibility from germa suit and first thing he does is go invisible and creep in the women’s bath 😭
The main thing I don't get is why people think current lucci is weak. Pre timeskip lucci gave Luffy absolute hell so you can imagine after 2 years of training getting promoted to CP0, learning haki and combining it with rokushiki and on top of all of that awakening his devil fruit I'd imagine him being very formidable, heck lucci took a beating from gear 5 and still said he doesn't recognize him as an emperor, which is probably jus him hating but it still implies that he is not that impressed by gear 5's power
People disregard the timeskip for lucci because of his age. He was 28 in enies lobby. He was trained since he was a child but didn't have obs. haki and his armament haki was limited to one move from the 6 powers. If he didn't learn that in the first 20ish years of training, then why would he in the last 2
@@Somerandom.dumbass i think that's a dumb reason because he clearly got stronger, he never showed any haki before only rokushiki which is different, but now he has haki and awakened so there's no doubt he is much stronger
"sanji vs kizaru is just beggining" 😭😭😭
it lasted 1 page 💀
LMAOAO listen I recorded this a lil too early
Let me show you the speed of love!
*Runs away*
sanji will get cooked if the battle begins 🤣🤣🤣
Sanji stocks never last long tbh
🤣🤣🤣 bruh@@vegetacultminorityhunter
Zoro isnt the problem. Its the fact no one cares about Rob Lucci. Everyone has forgotten the best fight in the series. Oda isnt bringing back Luffy’s most important villain just for Zoro to one shot
Facts
He shouldn't have brought him back for offscreen fighting against zoro. Luffy put him away easily, and now it's literally just stalling and keeping the two of them offscreen to not complicate the kizaru/bonney/saturn/kuma/luffy/vegapunk drama. People like lucci but his strength wasn't represented well (sneaked by Stucci, dunked on by g5, unclear haki level) and zoro/lucci gets no panel time.
Who is this imaginary everyone? You making up shit. Us real fans actually pay attention to the story. Zoro has never been on Lucci level
@@milzhereeasily? They literally fought and clashed.... I think you need to watch one piece again. Pay attention next time. Zoro has never been on Lucci level
@@Jaysolate huh???? Yeah they clashed, but luffy had his way with lucci. Watch the manga, yeah you're right I wasnt watching close enough, lmao.
Zoro is about to beat lucci. I assume you meant luffy, and yeah luffy is stronger but zoro is relative.
3 inhaler style king of asthma🙏
This is funny as fuck
SANTORYU: GASPING SLASH OF AIR
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Wait until u see bros 4 sword style he holds the 4th sword in his booty cheeks 😭
Zoro one shot Gucci 😂 all those “fraud” campaign guys just embarrassed themselves openly 😂😂😂😂
Fax, and Zoro is stronger than Luffy because Luffy used 4 attacks to defeat Lucci🥺 let us rejoice my fellow zorotard😂 let us proceed on not using our brain😂😂
Hello from chapter 1110😅 one shooted
Ohh please he didn't one shot Lucci he is even stand up after that attack 😂
@@cloverkingdom6341I think Lucci was just stubborn. He begged the gorosei to save Kaku. Unless I’m forgetting where Lucci was. He could just do it himself.
People just forget that the straw hats aren’t the only ones improving
Easy powerscaling that Oda has written into the story, Zoro is human with human limited strenght and he has tried to break that limitation through continuous training and haki, Rob is a fighting genius who has mastered six powers putting his physical human strenght close to Zoro due to Zoro performing a similar feat with his body like tekkai in wano when Killer speared him in the chest. With Rob being even more buffed by his hybrid Zoan strenght, Zoro cannot overpower him in close quarters that easy. Rob and Zoro are evenly matched as the fight is, they are both fighting at the same level. King demonstrated the same Zoan strenght that Zoro cannot handle, Zoro needs to increase his cutting power with haki or create space to charge a big attack which Rob is not letting him do. Zoro is pretty easy to power scale, his base is superhuman strenght + armament haki which he can use to take down guys yc2 or below. Zoro needs advanced conqueror haki to compete with guys at yc1 level because otherwise the fight will drag on and they will match his power. Ashura then tripples Zoro's physical power and allows him to surpass yc1 which is why when he was three times stronger in physical power he could start to match Kaido's physical power. This should show you the gap in power between Kaido and Zoro, he needed to be three times as strong and fast and then stack conqueror's haki to just start matching a relaxed Kaido. This is why Luffy could only put down Kaido using gigantified conqueror haki coated attacks. One piece is not that hard to power scale, people overcomplicate it.
Zoro hasn't beaten Lucci by now because Oda needed to keep Zoro away from the main group for plot progression.
It's the same reason why Luffy didn't try at all against Lucci or Kizaru. Oda just wanted to have fun drawing Gear 5th fights, and Luffy needed to be incapacitated for Saturn's big arrival.
It's strange seeing Zoro get Blueballsed by Plot because Sanji is usually designated that position. It seems especially strange because Sanji temporarily lost arbitrary Plot-Nerfs at the same time that Zoro gained them
Is it me or has zoro not seen luffy gear 5 yet?
@@mhussain8007 Pretty sure he did when he was fighting against Kizaru, iirc he was facing Luffy and asked him if he needed help.
Sanji is usually the one that fights the obvious stronger characters while Zoro disappears because the truth is Oda protects him from getting exposed. He wants to keep the fanbase guessing…
Saunji fought Doffy, Vergo at a time when Zoro and Saunji power wasn’t that different from each other. Now he had to fight Kizaru and an elder while Zoro yet again is nowhere to be seen..
Copium, he can't finish Lucci because he's relative to him in strength , that's all. Wdym for story progression🤣a 19 chapter fight is an extreme diff at the bare minimum😂both panting, both bleeding 😂
Stop the COPE😂
@@Kamuiwoods uhh... agreed? Zoro and Lucci are being portrayed as relative. I think Zoro is stronger than Lucci, but he clearly isn't having an easy time. Arguing otherwise would actually make Zoro look worse by saying he isn't taking it seriously. I also think Sanji is stronger than Lucci, Sanji looks at least as good as Zoro this arc.
19 chapters is bullshit though, chapters aren't a unit of time. If we were focusing on Zoro vs Lucci for 19 chapters, then you could use that to an extent.
I'm not saying Zoro is much stronger than Lucci, just that Zoro being away from everyone made the plot run smoother. If Zoro is needed, then he'll pull out a powerup that he should have used from the start, just like Luffy did against Kizaru with ACoC.
Sanji is in the dumps rn, zoro is up 💀💀
Why?
it did. Sanji just gets beaten up next chapter
@lordadz1615 that means it didn't age well cause sanji is in the dumps rn and zoro up, he's saying that zoro is a fraud
@@ashy_bash in the video he is saying the opposite. Watch properly he literally says zoro isn't a fraud and people slandering for no reason
Definitely didn't oneshot king, literally no reason to say he did since 3 shotting someone like king is still crazy lmfao
He used one attack and he died the second zoro got a grasp of acoc
@@Tylearned King took three acoc attacks directly flames off. He didn't get one shot. Stop it.
@@Tylearned what? Zoro literally used multiple ACOC attacks on king wdym? This dude a zorotard fr🤣
I bet you're the type of fan to say that Zoro is not taking Lucci seriously in their 18 chapter fight 🤣
@@KamuiwoodsZoro used 3 acoc attacks on king lol
And only 2 landed on king
@@Jesko. I see only one hit with advanced Conqueror's where are the other two you speak of?
One Piece fans:
Lucci is strong: ❌
Zoro fell of: ✅
I will never understand how people are downplaying him when all we have seen is lucci hasn't really done anything crazy to zoro in his awaken form besides talking shit with this being the same lucci that probably scales to the lower end of a gear 5 without advance haki so idk zoro haters are weird sometimes lol
Zolo glazers are weird too
@@ProphetLot big true
I want to ask, where tf did zoro go for the last few episodes on egg head Island
Zoro is just fed up by being on the brink of death after every battle and decided to test how much power he needs to defeat Lucci.
Or he doesn't want to be eye diffed and kicked around like Sanji, so Zoro is just slacking off.
spoiler: zoro one shotted lmao
people should use this logic with mihawk and vista
Great vid! People are ignoring the narrative significance of zoro evenly matching lucci. lucci was said to be a prodigy and zoro's growth rate is faster than him. So its proven zoro has made amazing progress.
Tylearned who you got in a vs battle. The big mom pirates or the stone village from Naruto. You could even make a series of faction vs faction if you want but I wanna hear your take on this
I think its a wider storytelling problem at work. Zoro and the rest of the Strawhats during this arc (with maybe the exception of Sanji and Franky) have been really sidelined for the sake of making Gear 5 Luffy look better.
Sandi speed blitz and one shots 🗿🗿🗿
Imagine if zoro spamed asura as luffy is doing gear 5 he do be unstoppable
I was on the ship of zoro stocks are dropping drastically but tyler changed my kind
Stop using the argument that each island the strawhats pass they get stronger, tell me the difference between fmi Zoro and act 1 Zoro i'm waiting
You don’t need to prove a difference to say the statement is invalid 😭 with each experience they grow. But if you’d like to know we do see zoro one tap killer who performs better against kaido then the initial luffy that fought him
Strawman argument. Luffy would've one tapped that brain dead Killer as well. Killer performance is 2 attacks with others helping him dealt shallow damage on Kaido what a great performance @@Tylearned
@@kingflame9361 ah nice you called strawman then jus gave an argument wit no evidence 😭😭😭 average King fan
No evidence when Oda says that Luffy is stronger than Zoro? Average powercreep scaler fan. Op ain't dragon ball @@Tylearned
He can go up against Base Lucci now
Maybe it's the beginning of the ark? Cuz I remember the same level of drama when Wano started too.
Zoro is objectively overhyped which makes him a fraud because he isn't as strong as those exaggerated claims make him out to be. Ever since Wano I've legitimately seen takes like "Zoro can defeat big mom in a 1v1" "Zoro oneshots Sanji" "Zoro oneshots Lucci/Zoro beats Lucci low diff" "Zoro oneshots Kid" "Zoro oneshots Law" "Zoro is only slightly behind Luffy" and the infamous "Zoro kills Kaido". Yall wanna wank him to the damn moon and back and are crying when its finally revealed that's hes infact not capable of oneshotting the entire verse. Is Zoro weak? No not at all, that's not what im saying. Hes strong and is at the peak of YC1. What Im saying is that people believe hes way stronger than he actually is and Egghead during its entirety as an arc has been trying to show us he's not with Zoro being put in check the entire arc. Most of the overhyped Zoro claims were straight up debunked in this arc.
He's overhyped because he's a powerful character who gets amazing feats that go beyond what a normal first mate is capable of (which only gives more hype to luffy as the captain), and people get excited talking about his ceiling. He's also overhated because people are jealous that their fav characters don't get that same treatment, or they don't like when the linear power scaling is challenged. Zoro is both weaker and stronger than everyone thinks he is at any given point.
@re As for overhyped i agree him getting good feats is the root cause but the fans being excited and talking about his ceiling is the full picture. Others get good feats but they dont hype it up forever like Zoro fans do (usually just for awhile and then it dissipates). Theres a certain pride that comes with Zoro as the badass fighter of the crew that many cant have even be remotely scuffed. Problem is that this doesn't lead into exaggerating his ceiling. It leads to them exaggerating his current state and making delusional claims which then leads into the other thing you mentioned aka Zoro being over hated due to those claims.
Zoro as a character is not the issue and most people infact like Zoro or at the very least think hes okay. Even the ones who criticize him like i do like him a lot (hes my #5 out of all characters). The reason people really start to hate or dislike him are because of his fans. Zoro has the largest number of toxic and very vocal individuals which ruin the perception people have of Zoro. I myself really like Zoro but id be lying if these hardcore Zoro fans dont be swaying my perception of him every now and again.
@@xdrago5602 sure, but plenty of sections of fans make wild claims, yonko, admirals, kidd and law fans, etc. Zoro fandom is just much bigger, so the loud minority of wild claims are heard more often.
No, zoro as a character isn't the issue, honestly I think it's the culture that created this weird toxic feuding. Some fans will make ZKK-type theories, some joking some not, but then others go over the top to take it seriously and mock/shame those people. Then, since they're passionate, they double down, and on and on it goes.
I don't think the stigma of zoro fans being specifically toxic is accurate, and I don't think the fans of a character should impact how you view that character.
@@milzhere Yea. Every character has these wild loud fans but Zoro has significantly more of them to the point where they're now known for it. I don't see Luffy fans saying super outta pocket stuff. I don't see Sanji fans who also have a super large fanbase say super outta pocket things. Neither Jinbe, Kaido nor Katakuri or whoever else. The only other character I can think of that gets glazed by their fans in the way Zoro does is Old Rayleigh but at least they're less loud and less toxic. They glaze but in a more respectful way.
Passion is a very mild way to put it. The hardcore Zoro fans go out of their way to insult and be toxic to anyone who ain't part of their agenda or goes against it in the slightest. Me saying Zoro can't oneshot Sanji which is a super cold common sense take should not magically spawn a horde of Zoro fans coming at me like I just hurt their family.
I agree. The fans should not impact somebody's thoughts of the character which is why Zoro is still my #5 to this day. Every time a Zoro fan says some wild things I just separate the fans from the character.
@@xdrago5602 you definitely do see luffy fans saying outta pocket shit, but 1. It happens less often because of his portrayal, and 2. He's the mc and the goat so there's less that fits into that box, especially now.
I 1000% disagree on the sanji fans point. I've seen just as many outta pocket sanji fans saying he's faster than luffy, or can beat zoro now, or was gonna beat kizaru this arc, etc etc.
What percentage? Just because you see one or two people be shitheads doesn't make all passionate fans exactly the same.
Good, I'm glad the fandom doesn't affect your enjoyment.
The Goroseis pet is cooking the swordman 🗣🗣🔥
😭😭😭
Kizaru is not a luffy victim. They barely fought and it ended in a draw. “Oh but kizaru didn’t knock out luffy, he just fainted.” Mf it really doesn’t matter. Oda literally made them fall unconscious simultaneously. The specific details of the fight matters a lot less than the more blatant implications of them being relative. During the fight they had both luffy and kizaru weren’t focused on actually fighting each other, sure. Kizaru just tried to kill vegapunk, and luffy wanted to stall kizaru to save vegapunk. But luffy benefits a lot more from defeating kizaru than kizaru would benefit from beating luffy. If luffy beat kizaru, vegapunk is safe. If kizaru beats luffy, he still has to kill Vegapunk. Sure luffy won’t be in his way anymore, but it’s ultimately mostly irrelevant to his mission. He was mad casual for the whole fight, and was shown faster than snake man luffy and gear 5th luffy. In the end as stupid as it may sound kizaru was still responsive after the fight, while luffy was pretty clocked out, only barely recollecting the events that happened in front of him while he was seemingly out cold. Who knows what would’ve happened if this was an actual fight kizaru was focused on fighting luffy rather than chasing vegapunk. What if luffy just cocks out mid fight and kizaru just kills him. I’m just saying, it’s not so cut and dry. Kizaru stumbles back up after like 2 chapters in canon time, while Luffy inexplicably gets a bunch of random food to recharge all his stamina. Luffy being an awakened zoan has recovery speed as one of his greatest strengths, so him getting a whole punch of random ass food out of nowhere is not a fair comparison to kizaru just standing back up after tanking luffy’s second strongest attack directly to the head. Then you show luffy holding this tired kizaru (as you mentioned only when it had to do with sanji) and Saturn for one panel and call him a kizaru victim? Marco did the same shit with king and queen, but he gets shit from everybody for being too weak.
Then you got the gall to compare sanji blocking kizaru’s laser to Rayleigh and Marco. Mf look at the reactions to each of these. Against Rayleigh, kizaru was barely trying the entire fight while Rayleigh was huffing and sweating. Against Marco, kizaru literally sarcastically called Marco strong to which Marco called him out for lying. Against sanji, kizaru shat his pants for a sec at the sight of sanji making his laser explode (according to the sound effects) by kicking it. We have literally never seen him of all people with a reaction on his face like that. Kizaru then kicks him in the face later, and sanji brushed it off. Oda didn’t even bother drawing a panel with sanji getting back up, so he prolly didn’t even fall over. Sure kizaru is likely weakened, but you literally said kaido was weakened and far from his full strength when he fought Zoro. Zoro didn’t have king of hell mode at the time, but he had conqueror’s coating. I didn’t see any ifrit jambe on sanji’s leg, but I saw his eyebrow switch sides, so he’s in his germa form. It’s just disingenuous to be like “omg zoro is literally my king, he swapped hands with a weakened far from peak kaido. He’s fighting a yonko tier opponent!” “Bruh sanji took on a weakened kizaru (who’s a yonko tier fighter), what a bum. He’s not even admiral level, this doesn’t mean anything.”
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Zoro is weaker than sanji. Lucci is definitely just stronger than people gave him credit for, so they rode Zoro’s meat a little too early for the fight. He definitely wasn’t just using “chicken nugget” amount of KOH though, he literally says he is in a rush. I have no idea why he’d waste time by not trying against lucci. This arc just seems to prove more so the point that they are equals. Zoro “negged” king once he settled his control of Enma and unlocked king of hell, but then sanji negged queen after settling his internal battle of self identity and unlocked ifrit jambe. I will never understand how people count the number of attacks that it took for sanji to knock out queen and compare that to how many attacks it took big mom to do the same. It’s pretty clear that sanji was prolonging the beat down on queen since queen disgusts him in essentially every way he can. He literally says as much when he tells Queen “your punishments not over yet.” Queen calls sanji by his fathers name, epitomizes everything he hates about his father and family, has all his family’s powers, uses sanji’s germa suit power as gross reflection of himself, and he’s a woman beater 💀. The only thing left to do is waste food. Sanji didn’t even use his strongest kick with ifrit jambe, the only named attack was a blue flame version of mutton shot from back in pre time skip 💀. The only aspect Zoro had in wano that sanji didn’t, was fighting alongside luffy against luffy’s enemy. And in egghead, sanji was literally fighting alongside luffy against luffy’s enemy. He even had his moments with Saturn. He got stun locked by his devil fruit power, deflected one of his legs, and oda drew him staring down Saturn like twice. Granted this is probably due to his thematic relevance with Saturn due to the whole science thing, but still. Even with the whole seraphim things it’s pretty telling. It’s really weird scaling the seraphim over each other because there’s no way to know if they scale off of their warlords’ dna directly. For all we know they’re all pretty much relative. Yes, sanji definitely did look better against the seraphim than zoro imo, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger than zoro either. It just definitely seems like it should be overbearingly obvious at this point that zoro and sanji are as “equal” as it can really get.
Good post man and completely agreed
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I respect the neutral stance
« Luffy holding this tired Kizaru… » Tired by what ? By two attacks from LUFFY 🤦🏽♂️ Is it so hard to understand ? Even if Kizaru was focused on Luffy, there is literaly nothing in the story that implies he could do more damage than he did on Egghead. We’ve litteraly seen that Kizaru couldn’t really damage Luffy while Luffy’s attack clearly had a massive effect on him. We also see that although Kizaru is faster, Gear 5 Luffy could keep up with him enough for them to be both huffin. Speed was litteraly the only thing Kizaru had in this fight
« Against Rayleigh, Kizaru was barely trying the entire fight while Rayleigh was huffing and sweating ». Yet, Kizaru literally said he couldn’t capture Rayleigh 🤷🏽♂️. Garp himself says (after the incident), that the « Marines » couldn’t handle WB and Rayleigh at the same time. He said that after Kizaru clashed with him on Sabaody. WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT IF KIZARU COULD TAKE CARE OF HIM ? Kizaru admitted he couldn’t capture him because he is not stupid. His observation is good enough to see the result of that fight. He wasn’t ordered to not fight Rayleigh, he decided on his own that he shouldn’t. Yes, Rayleigh was puffing and sweating but that’s he didn’t fight for more than a decade. Even like that, he was still able to successfully hold back Kizaru the whole time. Kizaru wasn’t able to skip him even once in that clash. Rayleigh just complained about not being able to beat Kizaru and help the SH at the same time.
@@nobody42071 aight the man tylearned himself calls kizaru weakened to lessen the sanji feat. If we say that it’s Kizaru isn’t weakened at all like you mentioned for when he got grabbed by luffy, then it’s even more impressive for kizaru. He’s clearly tired though.
Kizaru is tired because he was fighting luffy for a bit and took Luffy’s strongest gear 5 attack shown so far directly to the head. Kizaru definitely could have done a lot more damage to luffy than he actually did had he actual been trying to fight him. Kizaru’s literal clones were able to damage luffy. Kizaru himself would be able to cause serious damage to luffy if that were his goal. Kizaru never actually tries to attack gear 5 luffy once. Kizaru’s clones were literally just meant to distract him, and the laser from kizaru that luffy tanked was meant for Vegapunk (it also caused extreme pain in Luffy’s eyes. Kizaru’s speed was not the only thing going for him. He obviously was also shown to blatantly have much better stamina, and he was implied capable of damaging luffy had they truly fought based off what I said before. If it were a real fight, kizaru definitely could’ve damaged luffy, even though luffy could keep up with kizaru for the most part in the sense of it being a fight, kizaru still could’ve outsped luffy at points during the fight, and kizaru might’ve just outlasted luffy in the end and killed him. I think he could have beaten luffy, but I could potentially see luffy winning too. I think for a solid answer, the fact that they both fainted at the end of the fight with each other, simultaneously, no matter the circumstances is pretty telling as something for a writer to make the character’s do.
Kizaru definitely would’ve shit on Rayleigh. Yes Rayleigh was huffing and sweating against kizaru, but of course you’re also right that this is because he’s old and hasn’t fought someone on yonko tier like kizaru is forever. Peak Rayleigh would be a different discussion, but rn the kizaru we saw was clearly not trying against Rayleigh. In regard to what we see between them in physical strength, kizaru equating Rayleigh while visibly not trying as hard. With abilities, kizaru never pulled out any clones, laser beams, or laser showers, just the light sword. Kizaru saying he couldn’t Rayleigh is just the report he gives. He wasn’t trying like he usually isn’t, and because of that he couldn’t capture Rayleigh. I honest to god do not know why garp would say that shit though. He might just be stupid lol. Jk maybe it’s just a school of thought based around the notoriety prime dark king Rayleigh had. We see another example of Rayleigh being over estimated because how notoriously strong he was in his prime when he flexed his haki and black beard to scare him away even though he admitted afterwards that he’d lose to black beard. Even if we did say that he was trying against Rayleigh, clearly whatever sanji did was far more impressive based off kizaru’s camera.
You was right in the end
Hey you have to make a Luffy Vs Saturn and Kizaru video
No. No he didn't fall off. Zoro > Lucci, Zoro > Law, Zoro > Sanji. Copeeeeeeee kidddssssss :D
He said he was ' controlling the fight, and when Jimbei showed up he finished the fight ' ... He's just not getting any ' screen time ' ... Which pisses me off to no end ... But it's not a 'fall off' for sure ... Oda just wants his ACE to be used sparingly. That is all , for now.
Oda really decided to humble the Zoro glazers, man’s is out here struggling against an overgrown house cat Luffy could manhandle with ease 💀💀💀
Well Zoro isn't close to Luffy right now. Luffy gapped him severly with G5 and ACoC. They were probably relative at the start of Roofpiece. The gap is probably a bit smaller now than between Kid and Shanks. Not as Big I think Zoro is stronger than Kid and Luffy isn't as strong as Shanks yet, but I hope you get what I mean.
@@nikjovan4816the fact that zoro can even fight lucci means they're close. They both have acoc, they're still relative. The gap between kid and Shanks is at least double what it is between luffy and zoro, that's hella disrespectful to Shanks.
@@milzhere no it doesnt mean they are close, luffy beat lucci in half a chapter and zoro is STILL fighting him, how is that close ?
Lanji got speedblitzed in 1108 lol
Zoro gave better fight to kaido even before acoc than what sanji doing now
Cry harder because I said the truth you can't deny that
@@AdarshShetty-ux8kd Nobody was talking about Sanji bro, must’ve hit a nerve or something LMAO
All im gonna say is this, Oden wouldn't have let no base Lucci stall him for this long.
Chapter 1110
TBH .. there's an honor thing going on with Zoro and Lucci ... Zoro see's Lucci slowly turning ... He's going EZ on him but really , he gets no ' screen time ' in Egghead bc Oda says so ..
“Give me all your power Enma, this is BASE Lucci we’re up against”
I personally think narrative and author intent is the most important thing in powerscaling for anime. Narratively it’s always been the fact Zoro and Sanji be very close and it can go either way. I just think Zoro has better narrative portrayal of being the #2 of the crew.
Zoro is most definitely stronger than sanji and we all know this so every person trying to glaze zoro and say ohh he’s this and that just give it up ok
Why do people think Lucci just has no potential or ability to get stronger and keep up with the straw hats, I think it was stated he had the most potential ever in cipher pole, but I'm not sure what chapter.
Exactly
Its more like the power up Zoro got (mainly acoc) is stronger than any power up Lucci has shown. Like Sure he's awakened but acoc is the strongest version of haki. That durability boost ain't gonna do shit. Plus if we take some thing like 9 swords style Ashura should be able to split Lucci in 2 considering Zoro with more than a dozen broken bones managed to scar hybrid Kaido with it. And this was BEFORE Zoro had his understanding of Enma.
@@rand12389 All of that is on the basis that his broken bones weakened asura and that zoro wasn't using low level acoc in his asura which have not been confirmed.
I think zoro is fine.We haven't even seen a single fight of zoro to say that.
Downplaying Sanji and his feats doesn't make Zoro look better. If the shoe was on the other foot, Zoro fanboys would be clowning Sanji right now.
Nah, I'm a zoro fanboy, and I give sanji the props for that Durability... although he only lasted a panel against kizaru
People seem to think tha Lucci got stuck at ennies lobby
He's probably around gear 4th Luffy, calm down guys
When yall realize how fights work🤯ppl don’t spam their ultimates until the end😂doesn’t make it a one shot
Want if zoro opens his eye
This fandom is too selective.
People will try and say that Zoro hasn't been trying and will give the benefit of the doubt, since we don't see every second of the fight, despite us literally seeing him huffing and puffing.
I also see people defend Luffy by saying he fought Lucci and the Serpahin before Kizaru. But somehow this fandom conveniently leaves out the fact that the most tiered person on the entire island if Lucci. He got beaten by Luffy, then also fought the Serpahin and then engaged in a fight vs Zoro at the same time that Kizaru vs Luffy (phase 1) started. People conveniently leave this out though because this would affect the agendas.
And admiral fanboys like you also leave out the fact that Luffy isn't even using a portion of what he used against Kaido and only talk about Kizaru being nerfed as if Luffy's going all out.
Show your hypocrisy somewhere else. Everyone defends their agenda.
Lucci is a Zoan so of course he’s not the most tired person on the Island. Among the 4 who fought S-Hawk and S-Bear, Zoro is the only non Zoan. He fought the Seraphims too but doesn’t have the Zoan recovery. Lucci is in a better shape than Zoro would be after a fight with Gear 5 Luffy
@@nobody42071 yes except Zoro didn’t fight gear 5, Lucci did. Lucci has gone through the most on the island. Luffy has literally always been a zoan and we still see him get fatigued after fights. Zoro recovers quicker than King and Queen since they lost their fights. Lucci literally got hit with more damage than Queen (3 gear 5 attacks > Sanji’s attacks on Queen. 3 base big mum attacks knocked the man out for a second) and still went onto fight 2 more fights.
@@Dracule18 and you also leave out the fact that kizaru ain't even trying to fight Luffy, he's literally hunting vegapunk most of the fight.
And the only thing that Luffy didn't used in their fight is bjarang gun. White star gun is arguably his 2nd strongest attack, g5 plus muscle form, plus flames on plus adv haki lol. COPE.
@@Kamuiwoods
I never denied that he wasn't focusing on Luffy. My argument is that Luffy isn’t using anywhere as much power as he used against Kaido. Ya'll just say Kizaru is nerfed and act as if Luffy is going all out.
The only thing he didn’t use is Bajrang gun? LMFAO!
Advanced conquerors, advanced armament, future sight, DOZENS of named attacks, reality manipulation chilling under his bag still waiting to be used. Did you skip gear 5 vs Kaido?
You can't use the "he's trying to kill Vegapunk" excuse anymore. He's already done that and from now on, he'll be focusing on Luffy as he himself literally said he wants to take his head now. So whatever Luffy does to Kizaru From now on is legit. And it seems like you don't realize that Luffy is also one of their targets as Saturn expressed.
Zoro needs a power up. Either way he’s way to far from mihawk rn and not really showing that he’s yonko level which is something he needs to be if straw hats gonna reach their peaks
Honesty, it doesn’t not matter. The more slanders this community creates the better and the agenda is one of the reasons why I love it.
Zoro’s not a fraud, he’s just never been stronger than characters like Law, Kid, Sabo, etc
I can only imagine how powerful Zoro would be if he came in contact with Dionesium?🤔
Zoro and brook not there in egghead isand why
If oda didn't give lucci a frieza 4-month tier power up just to downplay luffy's peak as the form he constantly spams currently in the manga, this wouldn't even be an issue, but I digress.
Lucci at least has more justification for getting stronger over the past 2 years
Seems like sanji vs kiz didn’t happen 😕
Even if Zoro struggles against Lucci he still ain't a fraud😭 It just means that Lucci was stronger than most people originally thought
Lucci ain’t a sword man he have not to show him
How good he is
Bro why don't you saying Lucci ain't even using haki😂
luci is really strong I don’t think he is weak but I think it goes like this luci katakuri king luci is really op but I still think he got much weaker in egg head in wano he put a cut on kaido sadly still no feats as big in egg head still
We all know zoro would destroy lucci fp but if he really wanted to stall zoro should just knock him out
Zoro can't hang with Luffy, thats just how a Yonko crew works, you think King and Kaido are just able to go toe to toe? Lucci is strong in his own right he's just on the level of someone like a Zoro and maybe King idk how this makes Zoro a fraud😭😭
It’s not how a yonko crew works Rayleigh ben and kuzan are examples why they don’t kuzan himself is even stronger then his captain
Kuzan isn't the same. But Rayleigh/Benn is probably the best comparison. Though Zoro isn't at that level yet and he's pretty probably weaker than Beckman, definitely Rayleigh and kuzan@@ltsMotion
@@ltsMotionI don’t think it’s that consistent. Aokiji is a major exception and we don’t even know how strong Ben is.
Like look at BM and Katakuri, or like OP said king and kaido. Or WB and Marco
It’s a common misconception that YC are a group that’s power is set in stone. When that’s not nearly the case. They seem more like the warlords with how they fluctuate. Expecting Zoro to be close to Luffy isn’t wise
King>Lucci so zoro>>Lucci.
Bro zoro is someone who will be on Roger level u can't compare him with king
Zoro used KOH the whole fight. KOH is literally just him being in control of the conq haki flow of his swords, he lost the smoke as the fight progressed but since he’s gotten stronger since Wano he could still use acoc while fighting Lucci, it’s just now that he got a rival power boost from Sanji he suddenly went super saiyan like Luffy does sometimes.
Read again, King of hell is a sword style. Whenever e used King of hell attack, he called them "King Of hell". All you gotta do is, just read those chapters again.
@@Mambo-Italiano when we refer to KOH we’re talking the state he was in against King
@@JK_073 "we", that's my point. In manga Zoro used acoc coated attacks on King right after he learned it, but it was not King of Hell. King of hell attack are the only ones, he called King of hell.
Zoro is holding back we saw how Enma took a lot of stamina out of his body, I will say he did underestimate lucci's awakened form,Zoro is using 2 katanas most of the fight. Zoro is not a fraud,after sanji blocked Luffy's punching bag Kizaru's laser and right in the next chapter Kizaru knocked out sanji, Sanji glazers are WILD!
lol… zorofans down in the mud
Funny how Oda had Yall manz call Sanji #4 just for Oda to have Sanji out preform Him
Almost like he’s tryna tell yall Zoros full of himself… being a Glass Canon ain’t nun special 🤧🌝🤯
Oda loves protecting Zoro from getting exposed, while sanji fights stronger opponents. It’s a pattern for the first mate of the crew here, Sanji and Zoro stay bickering against each other.
While Zoro disappears from the crew and Sanji is forced to try and save the day. Didn’t against Doffy, Vergo, and now Kuzan and saint Jaygarcia Saturn. While this dude fights off Rob Lucci🤦🏾♂️
Because Oda didn’t want Kuzan to give Zoro that work..
Lucci not om zorros lvl look wat happen wen the saint with the swrd appeard bam death for lucci n where the bandana
Ok, I haven't looked that far yet. But if Zoro is really that weak now, I can figure it out too. In Wano he was the King of Hell at the end and now he's a weakling again? A pity. But thanks, I'll save myself having to look further :)
It's a shame, I can understand if other characters should get more focus, but then Oda would have had to solve it differently. AI mean after the "King of hell" moment he should now be a "standard fighter" again. But well, this is OnePiece like Dragonball. One character can become 3x as strong within 1 day of the series.
Still extremely disappointing.
Its just oda wants to keep zoro busy to let other characters shine so stop overreacting why are guys only talking about only zoro like brook and ussop literally did nothing and there is no prowerup for any strawhats in this arc i think next arc we will see a lot of powerup in strawhats especially ussop will definetley get an powerup in elbaf and franky may learn about new technology from vegapunk and upgrade himself or even upgrade sunny too brook also didn't get to shine alor in wano and now in egghead too so there is a high chance he will a powerup next arc zoro may get a new sword or we may see one of his mainly kitetsu get a devil fruit and nami may get an upgrade with her zeus by vegapunk,maybe sanji may learn more to control his germa ability's and robin will meet saul we will learn some infromation from the books of ohara,chopper may even awaken his devil fruit
Cuz lorotards
For me lucci is around 2nd commander lvl. I dont see why people call zoro fraud as if oda already confirmed that he really is struggling against a 2nd commander level opponent.
2nd commander?🤣he's literally pressing Zoro for 19 chapters, a Zoro that defeated king, a king that is stronger than kata, Marco and killer🤣wtf do you mean?🤣
@@Kamuiwoodsbro the only reason this fight is still going on is screen time also we don't know how much time has actually elapsed it only feels long because of all the breaks and the kuma flash backs, also zoro hasn't used acoc yet and doesn't even have his bandana on so he isn't even serious. Remember the steaks aren't that high for the strawhats they are a yonko crew now a little buster call is nothing. But reiterate the only reason they are still fighting is because the focus is not on them
@@Kamuiwoodszoro just now one shotted Lucci with a single named attack which proves two things:
1. Lucci isn't even 2nd commander level.
2. Zoro was literally kept away for the plot and he really wasn't serious as every zoro fan were telling.
@@obezy8705 there's literally plenty of fights happened while Zoro and Lucci were fighting, and you used a flashback??😂
Luffy vs Kizaru, bonney vs Saturn, kiza vs team vegapunk, Saturn vs Kuma, Giants vs vice admirals, Sanji vs kiza, Saturn vs Luffy, Saturn and kiza vs Luffy, Saturn summoned the other Gorosei, nasjuro vs pacifista😂 yeah "MINUTES"🤓
@@Kamuiwoods a lot of what you mentioned weren't even fights, bonney just stabbed saturn and later punched him with her psuedo gear 3 that's it, luffy almost immediately fought kizaru as he was facing the vegapunk and them so that's not a fight, vice admirals vs pacifista is mostly in the background and happening simultaneously with everything going on. Sanji never fought kizaru he just deflected 1 attack that's not a fight. Luffy takes out kizaru almost immediately and continues to fight saturn who then brings the other gorosei, also i want you to take into account vegapunk put a 10 minute timer. A whole chapter was only 3 minutes in the one piece time as he updates us that there's 7 minutes left. So let's say the time on egghead chapters is consistent lucci vs zoro started end of chapter 1093 and 1094 zoro has been fighting that 2 chapters so 6 min, kuma backstory was from 1095-1102 so we don't count that, zoro fought lucci for 8 chapters after that 8x3min=24min so 30min including the chapters before backstory in one piece time. So zoro has been fight for only half an hour mind you luffy took like 11 hours with help from nami to beat Cracker
Bro both Zoro and Sanji are getting fraud watch one by one
This guy scaled Lucci to gear 4 Luffy only because he was standing next to him, this guy is Sanji fan or something? bc these are kind of arguments that runji fans make to scale him to Zoro 💀💀
I guess you’re gonna have to make another video cause everybody missed the point of this one but anime community as a whole is in denial right now about everything I don’t know what it is across every community people are acting like shit isn’t solidified anymore people are just tripping yo I never thought it would spill over into anime you know what the rest of the world is falling into😢
Blud fall off hard cant even beat a pre ts villain.. He needs to borrow more haki from daddy oden.
Hey u r downplaying lucci now. Pretimeskip lucci didn't had his fruit awakened neither haki.
Lucci is one of the side characters who has grown just like main casts.
By comparing pre timeskip lucci to the current lucci who is fighting zoro who defeated the 1st yonko commander shows u should be joking right
Luffy is the problem, not Lucci. Lucci is stronger than King for sure, but Luffy made it seem like Lucci was a nuisance. The truth is some Zoro bros genuinely felt Zoro was close in strength to Luffy when in reality 2 Zoro’s arent beating Luffy
sanji I think is stronger he was struggling with luci sanji every since he got that power up with the blue flames he has not been struggling at all sanji is broken
Zoro really need more screen time i don't know why oda doing this to my boy
'"t-thats for the plot🤓" Man isn't Zoro's dream is to become the strongest swordman?? bro isn't top 30 in the verse yet and no one knows him from the greatest generation how he will touch Mihoawk?
Sasuke vs zoro
Sage mode vs g5 luffy
Sasuke destroys negative difficulty.
Teen Naruto needs kcm 2 to win.
Zoro 3 shot King who's more durable than Sanji, Zoro 1 shots Sanji no debate
I find it highly unlikely that Zoro even beats sanji when he’s struggling with lucci. It’s extreme diff either way
@@Chiefteeth1I agree, idk what this man is talking about, Zoro one shotting Sanji is a wild take
Lucci >> Sanji@@Chiefteeth1
How is that a wild take i gave you the perfect example@@nightmareorigins7210
@@Chiefteeth1why are you acting like we seen any of the fight stop trolling
Zoro dint even fight
It’s obvious why ppl are making fun of Zoro is for those who keep saying Zoro is close/equal to Luffy which ofc it’s not true and it will never be true. If Zoro Stan’s never mentioned this or keep saying he gonna one shot lucci, then this whole this thing wouldn’t be a big deal as Lucci by no means is weak, but ppl are just saying that to make fun of the hardcore Zoro Stan’s.
Nah, that's a dumb excuse. People just wanna hats on zoro because they don't like how close he is to luffy in relation to other characters (sanji mostly).
And like it or not, zoro is RELATIVELY (do not ignore this word) close to luffy just by having acoc, as kaido himself states that makes you a top tier, and allows you to damage a higher level of opponent/haki user.
@@milzhereok you say relatively but who was struggling with lucci? Zoro being close to yonko level is a bit iffy as of now.
@@user-cn7oj3ws8q do you know what relatively means?
@@milzhere do YOU know? because the way you're using it shows otherwise...
Say never is a big reach, eos zoro is gonna be relative, unless you believe Luffy gonna get a g6 😂 cuz he ain't, rn Luffy just needs to refine his haki and make G5 last longer, zoro has much more to improve; black blades, refine haki, asura last longer,
Not just ZORO
For me even Luffy looks ass compared to his Wano performance
Dude could not even put down Seraphim's with lucci
Oda really fumbled when it came to this 2.its like they forgot to use conquerors haki
I don’t really think either of them win as lucci even after zoros attack was still standing *REMINDER* I think both lucci and zoro are strong but I do not think either of them win,Put you opinions in the replies but don’t put hate
ill say he won just not in a fair way bc he got interrupted by jinbe
@@shreek9764 who won I may ask
*Tylearned:* “I cannot believe I have to make this video.”
*Subscribers/Audience:* We still appreciate you for making this video regardless, we love us some Zoro.😌👌
People are shitting on Zoro for fighting Lucci. At least he is doing his job and holding back Lucci who could probably kill everyone other than Luffy, him and Sanji (from our side, don't mean Kizaru, Saturn...) Sanji got ordered to protect and run away with Vegapunk and immediately failed and got VP stabbed. Zoro was on the rooftop carrying a passed out from G4 Luffy while two Yonkos were headhunting them.
My guess zoro dont care he just wanna fight and kill and drink booze and sleep
When you realize Zoro clashed with no name Kaido swings with his ultimate form(you literally just said Sanji stopped a no name attack and try to spin Zoro as far better)😂 yall gotta chill out it’s not that deep. Zoro and lucci both strong, Sanji strong. Luffy destroys all 3. Zoro didn’t one shot king😂 that’s literally just how every fight works from the dawn of time. A final attack lands. It is NOT that serious. That would actually make sense if Zoro actually ran up on king and immediately one shot him when they first met😂but they had a whole long ass fight where Zoro surpassed his limits yet again while both were close to exhausted.
FALL OFFF??????? he's INJURED YO, like Did U Read Bros Injuries?? Bro Shouldn't Even be able to Walk.
Mabye Zoro doesn’t know which direction he should be swinging at.
Just give Zolo time he just needs to regain his sense of direction...oh wait.
Another banger from tylearned
Thank you man
Zoro being able to take on a luffy opponent like this regardless of context is crazy if you think about it. All though post timeskip besides kaido I would always think that Zoro could take on luffys opponents. Now hes bout to make one into Swiss cheese
The thing is lucchi is the best in his department cp0 which is a branch under the world government just like the navy and God knights if lucchi was a navy he probably would be a admiral so zoro fighting a admiral level apponent who awaken his devil fruit
And for the record jinbei is the man who mastered the art of killing cats not zoro 😂😂
Jinbei: step on his tail zoro 😂😂
Zoro beating Sanji 9/10 times is biiiiiggggh cap. maybe 6 or 7 outta 10. At one point sanji was fighting king and queen. Plus sanji had a much easier time of beating Queen than Zoro vs King. Yes King is number 2 in kaidos crew but the main reason sanji passed out at the end of the fight is most likely because of his weird body enhancements
Same with Zoro passing out because of the mink medicine if we're only counting the end of the fight then Zoro neg diff king and sanji low diff queen but that's not case is it cuz one part of the fight doesn't determine the entire difficulty of the same fight
@@azuresaiyan9005tf
3:34 I mean, just like you mentioned this is a weakenned Kizaru whilst this is a full power Gear 5 Luffy that's pissed off so idk if calling him a Luffy victim is fair especially knowing the fact that he's been shown conflicted and holding back for most of Egghead
FRAUD? The guy is using 2 swords , no rags on , no COC haki , and Lucci is still in his Awakend form . Zoro is showing that this is not a challenge .
Zoro has pretty much always dunked on his opponents very late into his fights. is funny how people forget that. plus, lucci is extremly strong so of course hes not just gnna get one shot like kidd did in 1079,. wake the f up
Base leopard form is not relative to gear 4💀. Base luffy packs him up in his awakening.
I love how Zoro has now become the only ACoC user who people think doesn't need to have big crude black lightning on his swords to signify he is using ACoC. Everyone else does, but not Zoro. So fucking dumb when I see people say he is using ACoC because of the green flames. Also the same dudes who were wanking Lucci for fighting Luffy are now shitting on Zoro.
It’s cause op fans want to make zoro fans mad cause zoros glaze is annoying 😂
@@robinn384 At least the glaze is justfied to some degree because of what he did in Wano.
So what are the green flames
@@23rdofjanuary In my opinion the green flames are tied to Zoro's mastery over Enma and him upgrading his Armament Haki. Enma is named after the King of Hell. The green flames represent the flames of Hell. Zoro becomes the King of Hell and gets a visit from the Reaper of Death after he becomes the KOH. Also, we know Zoro has some sort of link to these demonic powers like Ashura which aren't tied to Haki. Specifically Conquerors Haki in this case. Because Zoro already used Ashura in Enies Lobby before he even knew what Haki was so his Haki and these demon powers aren't linked directly. So I belive Zoro can use the green flames(armament Haki) and then when he wants something stronger he can stack ACoC on top. That's my take.
zoro agenda is in the MUD 🤣
Reaching so hard. Zoro chilling 2 swords against a top-end yc1 awakened zoan who clashed with g5 luffy. Other agendas are doing WAY worse.
@@milzherelike dragon being him
@@milzhere hes still not yonko level like zoro fans said
@@Shoyura. "zoro fans said" I love how you can say anything before/after this and pretend I said it. Except I didn't.
@@milzhere i never said you stated zoro was yonko level but theres a large amount of idiots who think that
We need the Sanji scaling video Fr
I got yall🤫
Sanji ran
Captain's orders, or we are ignoring that for agenda now ?
@@WiiSage did he or did he not run? We not gonna use sanji being there as a feat
Lucci was able to clash with Gear 5 luffy. Do you think a character like king is clashing with kaido? Or Marco is clashing with Whitebeard? Hell no, the majority of 1st commanders are significantly below their captain. This portrayal is already enough to show the Lucci is at minimum superior to most 1st commanders which means that if zoro is fighting relatively with him it makes zoro comfortably high first commander level.