The Complicated History of Sunsetting & The DCV - Destiny 2
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Sunsetting, it’s a word that makes every destiny player clinch their fists and it’s the one word that will make all eyes jump up in fear they’re about to get smacked. A simple concept, with a long history of damage to the franchise. With a lot of revisions over the years and with the most recent announcement of all weapons being set free from level caps with Bungie actively looking to add all of the sunset weapons back into the pool, we should talk about the Complicated History of Sunsetting, the DCV, and why Destiny’s sunset problem might have been their biggest of ALL TIME!
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Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Definition and Background: 2:52
Implementation and Reactions: 13:18
Reversal of Sunsetting: 20:27
The Post Sunset 1.0 Problems: 25:00
Conclusion: 42:26
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Music:
Dust - Hotline Miami 2 Wrong Number OST
Outcast of the Sulphurous Seas - Terraria Calamity mod OST
Fallen Down (reprise) - Undertale OST
Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin - Dark Souls 2 OST
The Step Below Hell - Terraria Calamity mod OST
The Dreaming City - Destiny 2 Forsaken OST
Another Medium - Undertale OST
The World Looks Red - Ultrakill OST
Rapid as Wildfires - Genshin Impact OST - Hry
Okay.. so again.. I am going to be doing the pantheon event on stream with exclusive twitch drops in a Bungie sponsored event (I DON'T KNOW HOW EITHER PLEASE DON'T ASK LMAO)! So it would be sick if everyone came by, it's every tuesday for the next 5 weeks.. Yeah.. thanks for all the love you guys show on videos as it it, thank you thank you!
DOES THAT MEAN THE PLANETS WILL RETURN?! (that'd be cool lol)
I work in government contracts and I wonder if an underlying catalyst was a rights issue with Activision, HM, and VV. The timing of it all made me raise my eyebrows and the only other thing I could think of would have been what server farm they had contracts with before and after the split. If any of this is a contracts issue it will be buried under a pile of NDA's and we'll never know the true reason.
ok im pulling out a recluse for my titan
Just make sure to not call him bald or you will have to pay...
ILL WATCH BUT ILL BE IN CLASS THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!! My professor shouldn't mind tho :D
Bungie just went "blind man with Alzheimer's forgets he is blind is able to see again"
But still got Alzheimer's.
The destiny community doesn’t always agree, but everyone unanimously agrees that the DCV was the worst thing to happen to the game.
not me homie. Could care less. Im ok with change. Old content that isnt designed for new meta. I can see for newer players but ive never had a problem besides missing the old raids
. So unanimously -1
@@T3chn0Panda🤓☝️
@@scxm8825 When you don't have an arguement and just resort to adhom emoting
@oxsila straight up tho and look at his likes, other clowns
@@oxsila *tips fedora*
Christmas. I got Destiny 2 for Christmas. I played Destiny 1 with friends before, and my family knew it was something I liked. I didn't want to buy Destiny 2 for myself because I was in high school and didn't have an income. My parents got Destiny 2 as a gift, and watched me play the Red War campaign Christmas day. They were never interested in my gaming hobby before. Going Lightless to Guardian again was a good memory, and I did it with my family. Later, I fell away from Destiny for Fortnite with friends. Then, I learned Red War was "Sunset." Just a fancy word for deleting something I thought I had on my shelf. I vowed to never return to Destiny because it was no longer something I could share with people I cared about.
I like to share cool experiences with my younger siblings. I couldn't stand the fomo.
For some reason, I've never unsubscribed from Destiny creators. I've always loved the world and it's gameplay potential. Following the hype for Final Shape has got me tempted to step back in after years away.
Evan, I love your content.
From my perspective, sunsetting is THE reason I never returned to playing Destiny. I kinda expected you to flame Bungie more in this video.
If you made it this far, thanks for reading my thoughts lol.
I agree 100% with your thoughts. I went through the same thing.
Don’t be surprised that evanf and other content creators don’t flame bungie. Most content creators don’t go at bungie because this is their only source of income. They damage control for bungie to try to retain players but half the issues would be solved if people went at bungie the way we did when taken king was announced. They said TK was 60 dollars and everyone thought it was wack especially after two meh expansions that were really dlcs . They lowered the price to 40 . If we held bungie accountable more rather than when it’s cool to do so, we would be in a better place.
@@Kyubii01dude, people have been complaining about sunsetting for YEARS what are you yapping about
I haven’t played the game in years, but played it religiously at launch and I loved the red war campaign. Especially some of the music from it. It’s a crime new players won’t be able to listen to journey while walking up that mountain
Not only do I think that they should bring all the dcv content back. But I think all of the d1 campaign should be in d2 legends tab to be played in legend difficulty.
I too want a 300gb game.
@@beeman4266 yes, but unironically
Yes exactly, then allow us too choose which DLC we have installed so when I beat it again, it doesn't take up extra storage unless I want it too
I’d love that but genuinely the minimum they should do is bring back Titan and IO for red war and because they had 2 of the best destiny strikes ever imo
It would still be different. I think instead they should just make the Destiny 1 experience better by doing a PC port, crossplay, and current gen system updates. There's too much content in Destiny 1 that it would take ages for them to remake it into Destiny 2. But an update to the already existing game would be fantastic.
If nothing related to the story was ever removed, we'd have a god tier game and a better experience for new players
Exactly this.
I still to this day think the DCV could have been completely avoided. Imagine if they took a "Call of duty" style route with it. You wanna play just multiplayer and don't touch zombies? Just don't install zombies. Don't play multiplayer either but like warzone? So only install warzone. Take that concept and apply it too the DLC for Destiny. You beat the Red war, and Forsaken and don't need to play those store lines rn? Uninstall them. Got everything in the leviathan? Unistall it. Want too re-experience Forsaken with a friend? Re-install it. Make it the players choice when they wanna access what they purchased.
Feels like the Tiger engine can't handle this
@@turbo6328with stories I think it can. Just bunch of maps and cutscenes for optional download
Exactly it would be so much simpler to do.
@@turbo6328 the tiger engine is just a heavily modified blam engine (what bungie used for halo and what 343 have used) and mcc has system don't like halo 4 don't install it
@@dmruggabugga6270 Yeah i know it's a modified version, but can it handle it ? 343 modified the original engine for it specifically, can the destiny modified engine incorporate this system, while not breaking everything ? I don't know shit about coding, building engines or modofying them, but i know for sure it's insanely hard
I would probably say that sunseting is the most thing that terrifies me when I play destiny in mostly anything
Well... it eases the mind that Bungie finally drove the final nail on Sunsetting's coffin.
Sunsetting gear vs content such as campaigns and raids that we paid for is a distinction that needs to be made. At least with Disney if you bought the movie you could watch it as much as you want because you BOUGHT IT! I’ve never before paid so much to rent a video game that I thought I was buying not renting.
"lost in time, like tears in the rain" i love you evan
i feel like with no story you feel like a guardian while with the story you feel like THE guardian
To this date the storage excuse is still not valid just put the other area as dlc that you can choose to have installed or not. Put all the armor and weapons on the base game instal and the destination on dlc that you can always choose to keep or not
As a D1 player who got the game around the rise of irons release, I remember really getting into the game because of the fact that all the main campaigns were still a part of the game. I had the ability to learn and play through the WHOLE story and grow connected to the characters and plot. Your thoughts on the fact that the story for us vetrans is almost 6 years old, but complelty brand new to new players really opened my eyes when considering how I started this Destiny jorney so long ago. If we don't give new players context for the story, visual and gameplay scenarios that they themselves experience, and build up to later events in the game, Destiny as a franchise loses context, losses meaning, and looses players.
Sun setting was the worst thing to happen. IMAGINE THE RED WAR STORY WITH STRAND AND TELL ME we wouldn't shit on literally everything
another evening, another Evanf vid to be consumed
DCV. You took my Forsaken from me...
I have 4 guns I am so attached to I cannot without, but 3 of these were sunset and I deleted them (RIP)
Bygones, Threat Level and Misfit were such good feeling weapons to me, at least I still have my Seventh Seraph SI-2. At least one survived the purge
I started in Shadowkeep as a F2P, I saw the downfall of the F2P Players first hand
I started before the game became free... i bought the game for 3 days after to become free and now i have to spend even more money in dlc's (i already bought some dlc's anyways but at last i would like to get something for that money i wasted to buy the game)(i have a phisical copy of the dam game) and that can be used as proof :)
I have never been more relieved that I kept all my “sunset” gear in the vault and have not dismantled any of the weapons when bungie announced that they’re reversing sunsetting 😁
I was just too lazy lmao, but no one needs to know. As far as my friends are concerned, I was a prophet 😂
2nd comment. I like how you mentioned "bungie didnt know how attached we were to our loot"
Which is funny cause in the live action trailer/ad with cayde explaining how the cabak took from us specifically the "loot theyve taken from us"
Such a mid trailer, hated how they got the guardians with no helmets
Amazing video, as always!
I wonder does that mean the only truly never escaped unsettling fusion rifle, pocket infinity, shall return
No
another banger video evanf
I feel sorry for Line in the Sand, a season of dawn linear fusion that was one season away from being one of the most meta weapons before being sunset. Now its coming back and linears are far from meta.
Imma be honest, maybe Bungie needs to make a side game that contains the sunset campaigns that is singleplayer only with premade characters you can choose from, a hunter, titan or warlock kind of like a halo campaign.
it's a nice idea in theory but they're literally trying to make final shape, it's episodes and marathon. where are they gonna find the resources for this
I honestly think a much better way to handle sunsetting would've been to create an activity/difficulty modifier for seasonal-only weapons. It would make creating builds for those endgame activities much more interesting, while still allowing you to freely use & keep your favorite weapons in normal play.
That intro was HYPE! I can't wait to watch. Anyways I will leave my usual essay of a comment later when I get off work lol.
damn Evan you are quick with your topics
Good luck in the pantheon man. Exciting
Haven’t listened to Outcast of the Sulphurous Sea (second song) in a long time. I like your usage of it here.
The idea of the DSV killed the game for me for a long time.
I came back recently after seeing the final shape
but the idea that the content and quests I have can just be removed still hurts
I'd love to see some sort of legacy tab that had a playlist of missions from seasons past that were good. each mission would have a lootpool of the best weapons from that season, that the community thoroughly enjoyed. That way players like me who started recently in terms of expansions can see exactly what we missed.
D1 Taken King was the best DLC ever. Wrath of the Machine was the most fun raid ever.
Yep, and of course we had to get Crota’s End back instead of that
I finally did a vault cleaning about a week before bungie announced this. I deleted some of my favorite weapons because why would I need them anymore? :(
Good luck man
Spire was nearly unplayable before sunset. The ship destruction mechanic was broken. ):
25:05 ULTRAKILL OST JUMPSCARE🗣‼️🔥🔥
I cried the day the Leviathan raid was vaulted. Not because I liked the raid, only beat it once, but because it was my favorite spot to go masterwork exotic catalyst. I would just say in the key room and kill wave after wave of mobs. Was my favorite place, never had to worry about other players taking my kill since I would dive in solo.
Lets go evan!!!
YOOOO?!?!!?! I hear Calamity Mod OST!!! Good shit Evan! 🤘
Love the Skeletor sound fx when bringing up deleted content 😂
It hurts my soul that new players will never be able to experience the red war. Specifically some of the musical moments like when your guardian lost his light and was retreating from the tower. The song “Journey” that plays is gorgeous and it’s a crime new players won’t experience that moment
Ngl? I think they have done a pretty good job of handling loot without requiring sunsetting.
New perks that are better than older ones or introduce a new way to achieve a type of damage (DM vs Sword Logic, Rampage vs Killing Tally) And power restricted content prevents power creep in the content that it matters most in.
It only took historically low pre sales & a near sony takeover for them to give in
Evan using the terraria calamity mod desert scourge boss theme song!?!? That’s a throw back
Ultrakill ost included
I came back to the game in August after being away for 5 years, excited to replay Red War/Osiris/Warmind/Forsaken, only to find that it was ALL GONE. I hadnt kept up with the game, so I had no idea
Dunno if this is a hot take or not, but I miss the Tangled Shore...
nah the tangled shore was a cool location and would have been nice if it stayed
I miss it, but at the same time I remember when it was out not caring about anything in it except Hollowed Lair and Warden of Nothing. I just want them to bring back Hollowed Lair and i'll be satisfied personally
32:27 is that Liyue song from Genshin Impact?
For a second i was confused to hear this song while you were talking about D2 😅
Yeah, it's the liyue battle sound track. I was very confused as I was at doing stuff in Fontaine while watching it.
Either Evan found it in a random playlist or he's a fellow Genshin player.
@@picklerick2861 Same, i wash in the kitchen so i was only hearing the video ahah
Now, if Bungie would just unsunset all of the content they stole from us, yes even the seasonal content, then I would be compelled to come back. That's a lot of money that Bungie was able to make off and laugh in my face and the faces of its players.
Ngl I zoned out while playing destiny and listening to this and that clip about the cruise ship had me thinking the video changed lmfao
I'm very happy for everyone who still has their sunset stuff in their vault. I very sad I don't have my old weapons anymore.
I played the most during the fatebringer, spindle, gally meta. I chased more loot than ever. It was so fun and satisfying that I couldn't get enough. I was upset when they needed everything in D1. I quit playing when they transitioned to D2.
Why would I play so much and try so hard just to have things made obsolete or non-existent.
Haven't played in years. I just come here because I'm still interested in the story
First Song is M.O.O.N - Dust its really good
I'm sorry but people/bungie blaming older consoles for the DCV is a blatant lie and needs to stop. They say it was a storage problem ok well what storage problem because Destiny 2 before DCV happened was around 100GB+ in storage size and for example a PS4 has 500GB internal storage and can have upto 2TB with an external drive. So even if you added the DCV size to the current size of around 112.8GB you would still have lots of room and thats not even taking into account that update override files and don't always add to storage. Bungie just took the cheaper root of removing Old stuff so they wouldn't have to pay for more work. Also many games on PS4 are way larger than Destiny 2.
My brother in christ do you not remember how damn long it took to load anything in the game pre-DCV? You would sit in the loading screen for almost 5-7 minutes and it was PAINFUL. I am not defending DCV cause I hated it myself but older generation consoles definitely played a very big reason if not the main.
It's not purely a giga bite issue 💀
As bro said above me load times were absolute cheeks
I remeber taking legitimately 10 minutes to load into crucible matches
😘 keep up the good work bro
My Foggy Notion and I are shaking with excitement until the day we reunite
The biggest reason and difference between sunsetting in diablo or watcraft… you don’t really USE the weapon. Or as popularly referred to as stat sticks, the player doesn’t actually use the weapons, so the weapon is gonna operate the same no matter what, due to a lack of personal direct control.
Which is why Destiny has a more extreme extensive response, you are the guardian, you assemble your kit to your specs, control and direct you space magic.
You pick and choose the weapons that will define you.
And those weapons can be marked by us for their performance and reliability.
I agree it should be an option to download which raid you wanna hop into . Ex: if I wanna play VOG I’d select it and restart the game which would uninstall the previous raid I was doing and download VOG. Every raid id hover over would tell me how many downloads that raid has so I can assume if I can get in a fire time quickly or I’ll need to have the patience for. Also old previous content story missions should be shortened or summed up to a couple of missions.
i miss titan and mars so damn much
Same. So many hours spent on those and Io too. Really hope they bring them back after final shape.
one of the best videos of the last few months, if not years. I can only confirm everything and you are doing a good job, critical, constructively critical, but never toxic. So much has been packed into the DCV and we're all just coming to terms with it, but that's wrong. Bungie should find technical ways to give purchased content such as DLCs back to anyone who buys it. Seasons are temporary, but you can think about that too. And the worst thing was removing a main campaign in D2, the worst. The speaker dies and so there is deep lore that continues to this day but new players will never understand. That's why the player count will only increase with releases and then immediately decrease because the overall concept is absolute crap.💜
Lets go. Time for my Prototype Black Armory set again
Is that a Destiny VIDEO WITH HOTLINE MIAMI MUSIC
It's honestly absurd what they have gotten away and still get away with. In Terms of content quality , length, monetization models ... I just started playing again and I can't buy just one season except the latest one without buying the annual pass. Dungeon passes... Ugh ... Biggest current love hate relationship in my life
One huge problem with weapons in Destiny is how the community sees them, most will use what is Meta, which for PvP is understandable, but in PvE, there is no true Meta, you can beat EVERY piece of PvE content with any weapon & any roll, but that's not my point, my point is that weapons in Destiny have a 'feel' that I personally have never experienced in any game outside of Destiny, and that 'feel' can make a total garbage weapon in one person's hands, an absolute monster in someone else's. Sound effects help a lot too, 'Word of Crota' sounds so HEAVY that I can't help but love it.
People are so worried about "What's Meta" that they won't try anything else, that's one reason I love crafting, I make it a point to use every crafted weapon till it's level 30(personal choice), but as that number is a little crazy high, I'd recommend leveling them till you have access to your desired perks, then using it to whatever level the enhanced version is unlocked at, so you actually get a feel for it, there are some weapons I've learned to really enjoy that I wouldn't have before, my prime example being Subjunctive, the origin trait is okay at best on the other weapons, but on that SMG it's actually kinda nuts, though SMGs DO need a buff in PvE, it only really feels good when 'One for all' is active.
Last I heard, they actually did a massive Engine overhaul. Plus you got to think of it like this. They probably have newer and better ways to code than they did in the beginning. Think of it like setting cables for your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare to recable everything after you’ve glued it in
I don’t know why Bungie doesn’t do a weekly rotational system for seasonal activities based on the year.
Do Black Armory, Reckoning, and the Menagerie for a Forsaken year. And have them rotate once a week. That way it gives players a way to chase for their favorite weapons
I feel like they could have added a ladder system where certain weapons are capped a certain powers and in order to get further into the power grind you should reach one threshold to access all the other new “unsunset” weapons before they reach their cap “, rinse and repeat.
Also crafting should just remove enhanced perks
Bungie could implement a Halo MCC download select system for D2, that could get around the "storage issues"
Aquatic Scourge background music is peak
I honestly think bungie should try implementing a system where you can choose what content is installed, so you could for instance have a red war pack with two parts, the campaign, and the raid. Then players can choose what packs they want and if they want both the campaigns and raids of a pack or both. Obviously weapons, Armour, currencies and so on would stay regardless as well as things like strikes and pvp maps but it would allow players to choose what they want to keep whilst allowing bungie to keep the game small for most players. Heck they could even have packs for things like dares of eternity and seasons. Before anyone says it, I know this is most likely impossible to implement for one reason or another I just believe it would be worth it
Covid is really when i poured the most time into D2, Lots of us were really figuring out how to navigate how to treat each other properly during the confusion. I'll never forget being able to disconnect from the world for those 2 years. Work, Destiny 2, sleep. It almost felt like i WAS a guardian. As unfortunate that time was for humanity, being the isolationist I am, it created a world I felt comfortable to live in, when the real world wasn't. ps.. funny guns, made me feel like a god, and that was arguably the best weekend of my life.
The questions I was asking when I came back were: Who is Shaw Han? Where's Omnigul? Who's Navota? Who's this giant cabal we became friends with? Where's the Red War campaign?
I'll always have a sour spot in my heart for the rant one person gave me for not wanting to watch CZcams videos on all the story that I missed because they sunset it.
I'm not on this video for story, I'm here for an explanation on the situation if anything
I regret deleting my Perfect Paradox.
I honestly keep forgetting crafted weapons are a thing. I only use my BXR and what ever the shotguns name is because the BXR is a homage to Halo and the shotguns reload is fun.
This is a side of Destiny we may see soon again!
millions of people quit over this one decision.
I have friends who want to play but would love if all the content was playable back from Redwar but probably will never touch d2 now since its gone in the void forever
Rest in peace my perfect paradox I should have never left you 😓
YO THATS DUST BY MOON this song slaps bro
Funny thing about this is that i actually farmed Year 2 weapons in D1 again.
I got my gf into destiny 2 recently and it sucks she can’t play the free campaigns to understand the game a bit better and fall in love with the game the same way I did. It’s hard to get new players to stay nowadays
Still won't be happy with bungie until all content from the dcv comes back. Raids, planets, stories..
are the old raids coming back
That borderlands 3 jump scared got me 😅
Know the truly baffling thing about removing content to "save space"? If you go Out of Bounds, you can find, either in whole or part, various activities. Did you know the Forges are, with the exception of one or two, still in the game and can be reached by going Out of Bounds? Or that there are, to this very day, locations Out of Bounds that have yet to be used, like Galaxy Pools or Iron Forest? And that content from Destiny 1 is for some reason Out of Bounds, like Caydes Stash and D1 Mars? As I told a friend at the time, the DCV wasn't done for the players, but for the Investors. Bungie didn't do it because of Cross, Datto, Evan, or anyone else, at least not directly. Boiled down, in American law it is illegal to make decisions that wouldn't make them money. Because the DCV and Sunsetting would force players to buy more and more content to replace what they lost each season, the DCV and Sunsetting were likely seen as a way to print money for the Investors.
For Crafting, I think a good way to deal with it is by removing the ability to Enhance perks, and reserve that ability for Adept style weapons. It gives players weapons that are good enough, like Curated rolls were suppose to, that would allow them to go for better weapons. Targeted Redaction is a great starter weapon, but if you want something better you need to get an Igneous Hammer or Exalted Truth and Enhance their perks. Crafting should be a jumping off point to get you geared up for Trials, Raids, Grandmasters, Dungeons, whatever, so we can start farming those weapons. Other issue, some of the best weapons are craftable. The BXR is one of the best Pulses simply because it has a unique frame that no other weapon has. Same goes for the new Mountaintop. We really need more weapons with these frames that CAN'T be crafted, that way people can get their Curated Mountaintop and crafted BXR, have weapons that are "good enough" but want to get better weapons along the way. That's kind of why Bungie gave us Succession and Forbearance again. Give players that little taste of Raid weapons so they feel the need to farm.
Sunsetting & The DCV = why I quit Destiny 2.
Putting all the weapons back in the pool now makes sense because the game is almost done, they might as well let it all go. Now just bring back all the old levels, strikes, gambit maps, crucible maps, etc. and I might even consider coming back.
They need a fresh slate
Adding it all back would cause way touch technical issues
I feel like we could fuck with the campaigns and some maps but that'd be about it
@@bradstical86 I hear you. :)
@@John_II i do want the gambit maps as u said tho😭
I used to be one of those lil gambit kids
It doesn't help that they NEVER ACTUALLY VAULTED. Maps that were the reason they "had" to vault remained in the game and accessible by oob'ing, so they ate data storage but we lacked the ability to play. And then "sunset" gear was either never sunset (raids) or perma-sunset (seasons) so there was no replayability.
Evan, have you been playing calamity mod?
Shortened: Cool weapons gone, fun activities gone.
I will never forgive them for sunsetting the Titan destination. I loved to go there a patrol around in my spare time, when I wanted to play the game and not grind anything.
I still play on PS4 and the reason I haven't moved to PS5 is because I have to not only buy the PS5 but also rebuy everything that I have bought since the start of destiny 2.
I never minded sunsetting. I didn't understand why people were so upset. But I came from WoW where gear becomes obsolete constantly, so it wasn't weird to me... the activities being sunset were weird... but the gear didn't matter to me
Sunsetting really was the biggest kick to D2. Not necessarily guns IMO as that has been recovered from. It was really just content and the story.
Years later, we are still suffering from this as new players now have no way to know what's happening and get invested in the story. Low new player retention on a game this old I feel is practically a death sentence over a long period of time, which then means Bungie needs more microtransaction to make up for it with whoever sticks around.
Fix the perks on the fucking mindbenders......
35:09 Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
Anyone who has collected and played the new RECLUSE or MOUNTAINTOP now know that just having 34:37 returning guns fixes all. The Recluse we got sux. Best thing about the MT is that I can go really high. Sad state of affairs!
This is literally me come back to the game again in season of the deep literally feel that there too little of activity that you can do i though that there's error that lead to me lost most of my DLC and i found reddit tread and steam page that said bungie vault most of the content before shadowkeep feelbad man. 🤣
One of these reasons i told myself to lock my No Turning Back.
The aggravating thing, is if they never sunset I would probably be playing it to this day.
However I refuse to play or pay anything for it until I can play what’s on the disk of destiny 2