Love this System, we’ve been installing this in houses and off grid projects in my area for the last three years. Just makes Sense!!! Great video Derek!
Thanks Clint! Can't wait to get the gen2 in your hands. If your electricians loved the LibRE PoC, they'll flip over how fast gen2 is to install: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
This is beyond awesome. No need to drill up a bunch of structure and pull stiff wires everywhere - we'll do this and run it all in chases - more room for insulation and easier to do 'hot edits'!
There have been several systems I have encountered similar to this in commercial buildings. The main problem I find is components fail, and they fail in 10-15 years. Most of the time the company who made them are either long gone or no longer support that system which easily negates any copper savings (not even adding in the extra cost of components) Whereas standard 120v installations can run for 100 years and if you do have a smart devices that fail, they’re easier to troubleshoot. Now on the flip side, the safety factor here shouldn’t be ignored and I’d much rather have this in my house powering lights than have 120v AC running through walls and ceiling.
These are great points to mention. A basic on/off switch does last decades but it is extremely limited in its functionality. He click-together design of the LumenCache products makes servicing the parts a snap that does not require a technician. Those parts tend to be low cost as well. It's the best combination of many factors. As the founder, I'm working on the longevity of the company as well. Details to be shared as they progress.
As I understand only authorised servicemen are allowed to mount this system which seems to me not so cheap in materials since many electronic components are required. Savings on copper will be consumed by these compnents.
This is made for DIY. All the lessons learned from the "fragility" and "quirks" of the LibRE Proof-of-concept were fully addressed in the gen2: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
question for you, im super interested in POE lighting for the home, what stives and updates (for your company or this industry in general) have been made since this video? and finally, i assume they're products that make use of type4 100w poe switches now, possibly maybe future proofing with being able to add your own switch? i want to replace my lightning eventually with this but i also want the flexibility current "commercial smart lighting" features (WLED, scenes, longevity, ease of installation)
The new ReNetA platform will start to be sent to early adopters in July. See more updates at learn.lumencache.com PoE 802.3bt is one of many voltage and protocol standards. We have a PoE802.3bt midspan card that injects the power for PoE lights if you feel strongly about using PoE.
Each driver is generally between 30-50W, so 2x 12-15w lights per Cat5 is a good balance between number of wires and grouped lights. Lights on a single driver all operate together. Drivers can be grouped, so as many lights that need to be in a zone seamlessly operate together. You can also change the driver and SIBs to be addressable type and have individual control over lights. Great if you had 2 or 3 together and decided later to split them.
too bad greed made them make proprietary hardware. If they had used PoE standards with auto negotiating, would have save a lot of money for the consumer. Then just set ID's for each device and what they controlled.
Here you go! Made to solve the compatibility issue you described. There's lots of deep rabbit hole discussions that led to this, but feel free to follow this as it hits the market. Gen2 is a completely different solution. Forged from all the experience from nearly $2m of that LibRE proof-of-concept deployments around the world. igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
Love this System, we’ve been installing this in houses and off grid projects in my area for the last three years. Just makes Sense!!!
Great video Derek!
Thanks Clint! Can't wait to get the gen2 in your hands. If your electricians loved the LibRE PoC, they'll flip over how fast gen2 is to install: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
This is beyond awesome. No need to drill up a bunch of structure and pull stiff wires everywhere - we'll do this and run it all in chases - more room for insulation and easier to do 'hot edits'!
If you think that was cool, check out what went live this week: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
very cool. makes a lot of sense to do things this way.
See the new gen2 that should really blow your mind: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
There have been several systems I have encountered similar to this in commercial buildings. The main problem I find is components fail, and they fail in 10-15 years. Most of the time the company who made them are either long gone or no longer support that system which easily negates any copper savings (not even adding in the extra cost of components) Whereas standard 120v installations can run for 100 years and if you do have a smart devices that fail, they’re easier to troubleshoot.
Now on the flip side, the safety factor here shouldn’t be ignored and I’d much rather have this in my house powering lights than have 120v AC running through walls and ceiling.
These are great points to mention. A basic on/off switch does last decades but it is extremely limited in its functionality. He click-together design of the LumenCache products makes servicing the parts a snap that does not require a technician. Those parts tend to be low cost as well. It's the best combination of many factors. As the founder, I'm working on the longevity of the company as well. Details to be shared as they progress.
As I understand only authorised servicemen are allowed to mount this system which seems to me not so cheap in materials since many electronic components are required. Savings on copper will be consumed by these compnents.
This is made for DIY. All the lessons learned from the "fragility" and "quirks" of the LibRE Proof-of-concept were fully addressed in the gen2: igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/
Are you able to timer function? Something like dusk til dawn?
question for you, im super interested in POE lighting for the home, what stives and updates (for your company or this industry in general) have been made since this video?
and finally, i assume they're products that make use of type4 100w poe switches now, possibly maybe future proofing with being able to add your own switch?
i want to replace my lightning eventually with this but i also want the flexibility current "commercial smart lighting" features (WLED, scenes, longevity, ease of installation)
The new ReNetA platform will start to be sent to early adopters in July. See more updates at learn.lumencache.com
PoE 802.3bt is one of many voltage and protocol standards. We have a PoE802.3bt midspan card that injects the power for PoE lights if you feel strongly about using PoE.
so how many led lights can be connected with one cat 5 cable with good lighting output? would that be two?
Each driver is generally between 30-50W, so 2x 12-15w lights per Cat5 is a good balance between number of wires and grouped lights. Lights on a single driver all operate together. Drivers can be grouped, so as many lights that need to be in a zone seamlessly operate together.
You can also change the driver and SIBs to be addressable type and have individual control over lights. Great if you had 2 or 3 together and decided later to split them.
too bad greed made them make proprietary hardware. If they had used PoE standards with auto negotiating, would have save a lot of money for the consumer. Then just set ID's for each device and what they controlled.
Here you go! Made to solve the compatibility issue you described. There's lots of deep rabbit hole discussions that led to this, but feel free to follow this as it hits the market. Gen2 is a completely different solution. Forged from all the experience from nearly $2m of that LibRE proof-of-concept deployments around the world. igg.me/at/lumencache/x/666746#/