Exactly. A situation where it is tempting to put forward an excuse generally results when a reason crept up on us in a blind spot. The question we need to ask ourselves in such situations is whether we were unaware of said blind spot or ignored it, either by forgetting or by omission. We can then own the mistake by giving the blind spot its due attention. Self-flagellation however, both internal and public, serves little purpose besides ego satisfaction of yourself and/or a judging entity. Now, when doing the blindspot analysis, it really helps to be aware of behavioral neurology to avoid dangerous post-hoc rationalizations. Basically the real challenge is to juxtapose Jocko Willink and Robert Sapolsky correctly. ;)
@@audiorage82407 I agree with you, but context matters too. In the Army we evaluated our field performance in post-mission briefings or after-action reviews. During these briefings we would identify reasons for failures to take ownership and learn from our mistakes, not to lay the fault in the hands of fate.
Exactly. I have ADHD. That is a reason for some types of failures. It is only an excuse if I don’t ask “what do I do about it?” and aggressively pursue answers. Taking ownership strengthens my backbone when someone else says “you don’t need to write that down.” Oh yes. Yes I do.
I specifically watch these clips to put myself in check. I’ve been neglecting watching because I haven’t wanted to feel like I’m not doing enough, but all it takes is one video for me to say, “Even though you hit the gym every single day, you could be doing more. Take ownership for everything that happens to you and never make the same mistake twice.” Jocko and Goggins keep my ass in check.
Dillon Wright that’s actually the wrong approach. If you already go to the gym everyday and you still kick yourself for it, how will this be a motivation for you to keep going? It isn’t. Humans only have a limited amount of will power. Just remember these words. “Be consistent or nonexistent”. Just keep being consistent and if over a long period of time you feel like you’re not getting anywhere than your strategy needs to be fixed. Just don’t make things too big in your head and you’ll be fine. That’s how you kinda prevent depression and or burnouts
Taking responsibility for a reason is different than giving an excuse to escape responsibility. But a legitimate excuse should excuse you from responsibility.
A reason is something factual. Whether or not something is a reason doesn't matter if it was really your fault. An excuse is an explanation for the reason that deflects responsibility.
Jocko says to plan ahead. So a "reason" is like "bad weather, so we had tanks standing by because the Cobras were grounded" and an excuse is like "the mission failed because there was bad weather and the Cobras were grounded." The "Extreme Ownership" book is AWESOME! I'm finding a lot of application in civilian life and it's helping me bridge the gap between my military experience and the civilian world.
Excuse is a meaning extraction that leads to inaction. Reason is just an explanation of causes. If the reason leads to solutions vs leading to creating excuses, thats the main difference. "Dont give me excuses give me solutions"
Jacko’s look if you pause @ 9:14 is how he feels every time Echo goes on a tangent. Especially in the end when they both agree 😂 love y’all! Keep doing what you gentlemen do!
A reason has to be something that completely overtakes your factored in contingency planS. I have four ways out of my neighborhood and seven routes to work not counting waterways or air routes.
To go along with this chat, sometimes you're late. When you walk in that meeting you have two choices, apologize or praise. Choose praise. Instead of saying, "sorry I'm late," try saying, "thank you so much for being patient." Or say, "I appreciate you waiting for me to start." Obviously this shouldn't be a reoccurring thing.
There's always a reason, but rarely an excuse. I love his take on extreme ownership for things like extreme weather- it might be out of our control, but it is not sufficient an event if we really want to achieve something.
A reason shows both an acceptance of personal accountability and the taking of responsibility for the outcome. While an excuse is made to mitigate both personal accountability for the outcome and redirect the responsibility to a power outside ones self.
Ahhh! Thank you for making this video!! No kidding- I was mid-email to you about this precise topic and saw this come through my feed. Much appreciation for your clarifying, responsible perspective.
Semantics for sure, but I understand the difference is in mentality. An "excuse" results in surrender, a "reason" results in an altered plan or timeline.
I thought what he meant was that, even if there is a good excuse for something, you should always be thinking of solutions to prevent it from being a future excuse.
so true. I am so strict on myself for being punctual. I show up to work 30 mins early everyday and my bosses love it, but i do it because if there is a problem i don't have to stress out that ill be late and make everyone elses day harder. That being said i get agitated easily when my co workers show up late and have the stupidest excuses.
EC is on the right path here. Stoicism is a great philosophy and used heavily in military, corporate, and high stress environments, but implementing it properly relies heavily on the ability to discern between what is "within your control" and what is not. This is analogous to "reasons" vs "excuses". It's pretty clear to me this is less binary and more fuzzy. To properly implement powerful strategies/philosophies like stoicism, sometimes you need a bit of extra analysis in the margins. Aloha!
Semantics is the issue in so much one term is meant to describe a situation where an explanation is socially acceptable and the other term describes a situation where the explanation is not accepted by whoever has the authority to influence the explainer's life - if you never care what other people think, you never need a reason or an excuse for anything. What I find really interesting is '(I just think it's funny how') a man waving a knife in a threatening manner at an unarmed person who is just trying to have their own point of view heard.
I've been eviscerating myself for being in the hospital for a couple days after a near-fatal crash and dropping the balls on a few work projects. I did what I could after being rushed in the ER, but they kept trying to give me CT scans and x-rays and stuff. After the nurse put the IV in my arm, it was impossible to type at my normal speed because I could only type with one hand. (I almost ripped out the IV from trying, and the nurse told me to cut it out haha.) While there's no way I could control the truck that smashed into my driver's side door and banged me up, I can't help but going over the situation again and again to find any way I could have avoided the crash or if I should have refused to be rushed to the ER or if I should have left against medical advice so I could have gone home to finish the work. I was on track (even ahead of schedule), but with the days I was out of commission dealing with internal injuries, I just fell behind on work that my clients asked me to do after I had checked in the ER. And yeah, I COULD HAVE probably tried to predict what they wanted and did it before I went to the hospital, but they usually come to me and let me know what they're doing, we make a plan, then I attack it, so the attack can't come before the request.
I think they just focus in reasons and excuses from not doing something. I think you have a reason to do something and a excuses to avoid doing something
My dad taught me the difference between errors of commission and errors of omission, which I think applies here, errors of commission are ok, you can and should learn from them, errors of omission are the excuses Jocko won’t put up with
Yes but how can you tell what's outside of your control when there's always something that you could have done in retrospect ? To me, the line seems to be drawn where it's agreed upon and where it's socially acceptable, both of which can change from culture to culture.
I've always said to a situation: "Sure, [x___] is a FACTOR, but it's not an EXCUSE." However I use it in the context of "There is NO excuse. SO I guess maybe a factor is a plausible reason, that you didn't PLAN for , and is understandable and forgivable IF, you understand and learn from it. English language is silly.
say I ran an ultra marathon, and the next day I decide to not do anything and let myself recover, is "letting myself recover" an excuse or a reason not to go on a run the next day.
The times I've taken my son to school late the attendance office gives him a tardy slip, on the slip it doesn't say 'excuse?'_____ it says 'reason?'_____. I think he's confusing 'excused' and 'not excused' absences and tardies with 'excuses'. (Sorry for all of the quotation marks)
I breath cuz I need oxygen, I blink so my eyes won’t dry out, I eat so I won’t starve. These aren’t excuses and surprisingly a lot of people don’t see a difference
When you don't have a corrective action for the reason or excuse.. its just B.S. The dog ate my homework!! Provide a corrective action and figure out how to fix it. (eliminate the dog make a fur hat and gloves) Corrective action.
A REASON is a factor which is NOT under your control. An EXCUSE is NOT CONTROLLING something that you have the capacity and the ability to. An excuse is a poor justification for laziness. A reason is an external factor beyond your control. Excuse ex. - I can't go to the shop today because I'm tired/ I'm sick. Reason ex. - There is a police barricade in front of the shop, so I won't be able to get groceries from there today.
I think the line between reason and excuse lies in the ownership you take...... even if something failed due to complete neglegence on your part, i feel that it becomes an excuse when you try to get out of the ownership of that mistake. Example: the "reason" you were late is because you kept hitting snooze..... while that isnt a good reason and you should hold yourself accountable, it is the "reason" you were late. If you were to say something like "i was just so tired" i feel at that point it becomes an excuse..... my logic may be flawed but thats how i see it
I will let you guys judge this is an excuse or a reason. One time I was late for school because I overslept. I did made sure my alarm clock is set to go off 90 minutes before the first class starts. My parents and younger brother all set their alarm clocks around the time I suppose to get up so I have a backup plan if I mismanage my clock for some reason. Well... some how all of our clocks did not go off. This was long before alarm clocks on cell phones where issued so we had to rely on digital alarm clocks.
Nobody can reasonably blame you, so it is a valid reason that excuses you. You still lost a day in school and had to catch up later, so you should ask yourself what you can do to avoid it in the future. If there is a way that makes sense and you continue to rely on the same alarm clocks, NOW they are merely an excuse to avoid doing what you need to do to reach your goals.
@@Tormendeath Is it worth it? Does it really matter? One day off with a "written excuse" can be a good opportunity to catch up on other things, while all that daily stress and fatigue of getting up earlier may hamper the learning process. There must be a balance between effort and result. For the military or of high-level executives, getting things right is almost always a must, but even they need to manage their resources efficiently. If everything is essential, nothing is.
Yea, but Jocko didn’t you say, Only the things that matter? An appointment, in the big picture doesn’t matter, but picking up a family matter is different? Doctors operate on a 15 to 20 minute delay in appointments anyway?
It's fake news meant to smear President Trump. Nothing covert or secret about their mission was revealed. Is it a secret that special operation forces are deployed to that area? No. Everybody knows that. As a matter of fact... Not too long ago, a SEAL commander held a press conference in Iraq.
@@thomasorchard just read the report you're talking about... It literally says at the end that even though they may not be covert operators they still should of had masks or their faces blurred. The pro Trump report even agrees he fucked up lol.
Serious question. I tried convincing my dad of extreme ownership in every situation. He gave the example of how can a man take ownership if that man is falsely accused of rape of a woman and taken to prison for 3 months prior to going to trial. Later found innocent. Simply because in todays society a woman is to be believed no matter what? If you think this is a straw man argument. This exact scenario happened to someone I know. Side note the woman who falesly claimed rape was having a relationship with the government police officer and even though she caused the accused great mental harm and financial stress in the 100s of thousands nothing happened to her. The government has a limit to what they pay out when they are in the wrong so even though the guy was proved innocent he was still out of pocket thousands of dollars
"The more you talked about it, the less I understood it"....these dudes are hilarious at times.
An excuse attempts to shun ownership. A reason helps to define a failure and supports ownership.
Exactly. A situation where it is tempting to put forward an excuse generally results when a reason crept up on us in a blind spot. The question we need to ask ourselves in such situations is whether we were unaware of said blind spot or ignored it, either by forgetting or by omission.
We can then own the mistake by giving the blind spot its due attention. Self-flagellation however, both internal and public, serves little purpose besides ego satisfaction of yourself and/or a judging entity.
Now, when doing the blindspot analysis, it really helps to be aware of behavioral neurology to avoid dangerous post-hoc rationalizations. Basically the real challenge is to juxtapose Jocko Willink and Robert Sapolsky correctly. ;)
This is a good way to look at it. If reasonable preparation could have prevented the mishap, it's probably an excuse.
@@audiorage82407 I agree with you, but context matters too. In the Army we evaluated our field performance in post-mission briefings or after-action reviews. During these briefings we would identify reasons for failures to take ownership and learn from our mistakes, not to lay the fault in the hands of fate.
Exactly. I have ADHD. That is a reason for some types of failures. It is only an excuse if I don’t ask “what do I do about it?” and aggressively pursue answers.
Taking ownership strengthens my backbone when someone else says “you don’t need to write that down.” Oh yes. Yes I do.
I specifically watch these clips to put myself in check. I’ve been neglecting watching because I haven’t wanted to feel like I’m not doing enough, but all it takes is one video for me to say, “Even though you hit the gym every single day, you could be doing more. Take ownership for everything that happens to you and never make the same mistake twice.” Jocko and Goggins keep my ass in check.
Jocko Goggins podcast.
Victor Espinoza Dude they haven’t even met. How crazy is that?
It's worth thinking about "The Tallest Midget in the Room."
What a life
Dillon Wright that’s actually the wrong approach. If you already go to the gym everyday and you still kick yourself for it, how will this be a motivation for you to keep going? It isn’t. Humans only have a limited amount of will power. Just remember these words. “Be consistent or nonexistent”. Just keep being consistent and if over a long period of time you feel like you’re not getting anywhere than your strategy needs to be fixed. Just don’t make things too big in your head and you’ll be fine. That’s how you kinda prevent depression and or burnouts
PLEASE do a podcast with David Goggins.
@@kaleidoscopicmarketing2676 apparently you haven't read David goggins' book.
@@kaleidoscopicmarketing2676 But if you had bothered to read his book, you'd know that your comment was completely wrong.
What happened
Not gonna happen.
@@UnknownPlayer-eg4tc sure, that makes sense by now. This post was 2 years ago lol.
Taking responsibility for a reason is different than giving an excuse to escape responsibility. But a legitimate excuse should excuse you from responsibility.
can watch this all day honestly, REAL DUDES
I’m lucky enough to have a job I can listen to whatever I want all day. It’s been pretty much these guys for the past 6 months.
UrbanLegend you must be an urbanlegend then
Mjol ninja LOL!
A reason is something factual. Whether or not something is a reason doesn't matter if it was really your fault. An excuse is an explanation for the reason that deflects responsibility.
Echo really tested Jockos patience at 7:42. 🤣
Reasons are things you cant control and excuses are things you can control. But no matter what just get it done.
Life does not care about excuses. We grow and learn from tbe reasons we fail. Excuses are a blame from an external force. A reason is a lesson.
Great soundbit. Total influence over your life.
Jocko says to plan ahead. So a "reason" is like "bad weather, so we had tanks standing by because the Cobras were grounded" and an excuse is like "the mission failed because there was bad weather and the Cobras were grounded." The "Extreme Ownership" book is AWESOME! I'm finding a lot of application in civilian life and it's helping me bridge the gap between my military experience and the civilian world.
Excuse is a meaning extraction that leads to inaction. Reason is just an explanation of causes. If the reason leads to solutions vs leading to creating excuses, thats the main difference. "Dont give me excuses give me solutions"
Jacko’s look if you pause @ 9:14 is how he feels every time Echo goes on a tangent. Especially in the end when they both agree 😂 love y’all! Keep doing what you gentlemen do!
"the more you talked the less I understood it" 😂 I love listening to you guys
Working the problems - in advance! Love it.
You guys are so awesome!!!
Thanks Jocko for this video. 👋🏻🇬🇹
Always great motivation, and wise words of wisdom
A reason has to be something that completely overtakes your factored in contingency planS. I have four ways out of my neighborhood and seven routes to work not counting waterways or air routes.
To go along with this chat, sometimes you're late. When you walk in that meeting you have two choices, apologize or praise. Choose praise. Instead of saying, "sorry I'm late," try saying, "thank you so much for being patient." Or say, "I appreciate you waiting for me to start."
Obviously this shouldn't be a reoccurring thing.
There's always a reason, but rarely an excuse. I love his take on extreme ownership for things like extreme weather- it might be out of our control, but it is not sufficient an event if we really want to achieve something.
Walked to the gym (2 miles) last night sprained ankle and snow storm.
Jason Anderson Discipline equals freedom
It is a great mindset to have.
A reason shows both an acceptance of personal accountability and the taking of responsibility for the outcome. While an excuse is made to mitigate both personal accountability for the outcome and redirect the responsibility to a power outside ones self.
What a great way to put that.
i really needed this today - great timing!
thank you so much for this!
Ahhh! Thank you for making this video!! No kidding- I was mid-email to you about this precise topic and saw this come through my feed. Much appreciation for your clarifying, responsible perspective.
Semantics for sure, but I understand the difference is in mentality. An "excuse" results in surrender, a "reason" results in an altered plan or timeline.
Something can be a reason the 1st time but after that point, it oftentimes becomes an excuse!
always great videos
I thought what he meant was that, even if there is a good excuse for something, you should always be thinking of solutions to prevent it from being a future excuse.
I like the *Evil Betty* sound Jocko makes at the start.
so true. I am so strict on myself for being punctual. I show up to work 30 mins early everyday and my bosses love it, but i do it because if there is a problem i don't have to stress out that ill be late and make everyone elses day harder. That being said i get agitated easily when my co workers show up late and have the stupidest excuses.
EC is on the right path here. Stoicism is a great philosophy and used heavily in military, corporate, and high stress environments, but implementing it properly relies heavily on the ability to discern between what is "within your control" and what is not. This is analogous to "reasons" vs "excuses". It's pretty clear to me this is less binary and more fuzzy. To properly implement powerful strategies/philosophies like stoicism, sometimes you need a bit of extra analysis in the margins. Aloha!
THIS IS WHAT JORDAN PETERSON IS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAYS " I STOPPPED SAYING THINGS THAT MAKE ME WEAK"
Jordan talks about meaning, teaching you and trying to avoid failure is giving meaning to your life.
We don't like being around people who make excuses. Yes. It has a subjective component to it.
Semantics is the issue in so much one term is meant to describe a situation where an explanation is socially acceptable and the other term describes a situation where the explanation is not accepted by whoever has the authority to influence the explainer's life - if you never care what other people think, you never need a reason or an excuse for anything.
What I find really interesting is '(I just think it's funny how') a man waving a knife in a threatening manner at an unarmed person who is just trying to have their own point of view heard.
I've been eviscerating myself for being in the hospital for a couple days after a near-fatal crash and dropping the balls on a few work projects. I did what I could after being rushed in the ER, but they kept trying to give me CT scans and x-rays and stuff. After the nurse put the IV in my arm, it was impossible to type at my normal speed because I could only type with one hand. (I almost ripped out the IV from trying, and the nurse told me to cut it out haha.)
While there's no way I could control the truck that smashed into my driver's side door and banged me up, I can't help but going over the situation again and again to find any way I could have avoided the crash or if I should have refused to be rushed to the ER or if I should have left against medical advice so I could have gone home to finish the work.
I was on track (even ahead of schedule), but with the days I was out of commission dealing with internal injuries, I just fell behind on work that my clients asked me to do after I had checked in the ER. And yeah, I COULD HAVE probably tried to predict what they wanted and did it before I went to the hospital, but they usually come to me and let me know what they're doing, we make a plan, then I attack it, so the attack can't come before the request.
At my new job, I sometimes can't tell if I'm standing up for myself or giving an excuse
Kick my butt. I needed that
Almost all our excuses are reasons.
Almost our problems are our fault.
Hard truths.
Echo winding up Jocko at the end of these is my favourite bit.
If Jocko is reading this right now I want to tell you I subscribed and I got 3 of your books.
I think you know when you are using an excuse or when you have a reason to do or not to do something.
I am really really running out of excuses for 2019..! Really I am...()-!!
TIL Jocko lives in Coronado. This has happened to me too
one word: validity
8:30 did you mean that a real reason i give to others at the same time is something i blame myself between me and my self or i did not get it ?
Excuses are lies wrapped in reason
- Chris Hogan
I think they just focus in reasons and excuses from not doing something. I think you have a reason to do something and a excuses to avoid doing something
It's not about 1 word... There's a difference of HAVING an excuse and MAKING one.
Imagine what can be accomplished with this mindset.
"Sure" 😂😂😂😂 0:05
My dad taught me the difference between errors of commission and errors of omission, which I think applies here, errors of commission are ok, you can and should learn from them, errors of omission are the excuses Jocko won’t put up with
A reason is objective and out of your control and an excuse is subjective and could have been prevented.
Yes but how can you tell what's outside of your control when there's always something that you could have done in retrospect ?
To me, the line seems to be drawn where it's agreed upon and where it's socially acceptable, both of which can change from culture to culture.
I've always said to a situation: "Sure, [x___] is a FACTOR, but it's not an EXCUSE." However I use it in the context of "There is NO excuse. SO I guess maybe a factor is a plausible reason, that you didn't PLAN for , and is understandable and forgivable IF, you understand and learn from it.
English language is silly.
Echo’s jAAAAAAAcked!!!
Pls automatic subtitles
I wonder if Echo is aware of what a TANGENT is .
"
Don't caught up with things that don't matter
Reason slips!!! #reasonslips
say I ran an ultra marathon, and the next day I decide to not do anything and let myself recover, is "letting myself recover" an excuse or a reason not to go on a run the next day.
Jockos only example was being ALMOST late. 😂😂😂
The times I've taken my son to school late the attendance office gives him a tardy slip, on the slip it doesn't say 'excuse?'_____ it says 'reason?'_____. I think he's confusing 'excused' and 'not excused' absences and tardies with 'excuses'. (Sorry for all of the quotation marks)
I breath cuz I need oxygen, I blink so my eyes won’t dry out, I eat so I won’t starve. These aren’t excuses and surprisingly a lot of people don’t see a difference
Or, an excuse is something someone else gives you, but a reason is something for people that practice Extreme Ownership.
Love these guys but I think they meant to say. "An excuse you deny ownership - a reason you accept ownership"
So it's like constantly blaming yourself
A reason is simply an attempt to explain a cause for an effect and an excuse a reason with an added exemption of culpability for the effect. Right?
When you don't have a corrective action for the reason or excuse.. its just B.S. The dog ate my homework!! Provide a corrective action and figure out how to fix it. (eliminate the dog make a fur hat and gloves) Corrective action.
A REASON is a factor which is NOT under your control. An EXCUSE is NOT CONTROLLING something that you have the capacity and the ability to.
An excuse is a poor justification for laziness.
A reason is an external factor beyond your control.
Excuse ex. - I can't go to the shop today because I'm tired/ I'm sick.
Reason ex. - There is a police barricade in front of the shop, so I won't be able to get groceries from there today.
Who controls the absolution?
I think the line between reason and excuse lies in the ownership you take...... even if something failed due to complete neglegence on your part, i feel that it becomes an excuse when you try to get out of the ownership of that mistake. Example: the "reason" you were late is because you kept hitting snooze..... while that isnt a good reason and you should hold yourself accountable, it is the "reason" you were late. If you were to say something like "i was just so tired" i feel at that point it becomes an excuse..... my logic may be flawed but thats how i see it
I will let you guys judge this is an excuse or a reason.
One time I was late for school because I overslept. I did made sure my alarm clock is set to go off 90 minutes before the first class starts. My parents and younger brother all set their alarm clocks around the time I suppose to get up so I have a backup plan if I mismanage my clock for some reason. Well... some how all of our clocks did not go off.
This was long before alarm clocks on cell phones where issued so we had to rely on digital alarm clocks.
Learn how to train your circadian rythym.
Sounds like an excuse in my opinion. Alarm clocks aren't needed. If your "why" is strong enough it'll wake you up.
Mechanical alarm clock backup
Nobody can reasonably blame you, so it is a valid reason that excuses you. You still lost a day in school and had to catch up later, so you should ask yourself what you can do to avoid it in the future. If there is a way that makes sense and you continue to rely on the same alarm clocks, NOW they are merely an excuse to avoid doing what you need to do to reach your goals.
@@Tormendeath Is it worth it? Does it really matter? One day off with a "written excuse" can be a good opportunity to catch up on other things, while all that daily stress and fatigue of getting up earlier may hamper the learning process. There must be a balance between effort and result. For the military or of high-level executives, getting things right is almost always a must, but even they need to manage their resources efficiently. If everything is essential, nothing is.
I think a excuse is a reason exaggerated
Yea, but Jocko didn’t you say, Only the things that matter? An appointment, in the big picture doesn’t matter, but picking up a family matter is different? Doctors operate on a 15 to 20 minute delay in appointments anyway?
Are we talking about something without talking about it.....? Hint: Picogrammes
Wha... Did you just turn this around towards Jon Jones?
You should have said "pictogram" lol. Or "polygram" test lol.
What is your opinion on Trump leaking the location and identities of Seal Team 5... On Twitter?
It's fake news meant to smear President Trump.
Nothing covert or secret about their mission was revealed. Is it a secret that special operation forces are deployed to that area? No. Everybody knows that.
As a matter of fact... Not too long ago, a SEAL commander held a press conference in Iraq.
@@thomasorchard do you understand that they should have their faces blurred?
@@thomasorchard just read the report you're talking about... It literally says at the end that even though they may not be covert operators they still should of had masks or their faces blurred. The pro Trump report even agrees he fucked up lol.
@@samyeah5105
Well then using that logic... I suppose EVERY service member serving overseas should have their faces blurred.
Serious question. I tried convincing my dad of extreme ownership in every situation. He gave the example of how can a man take ownership if that man is falsely accused of rape of a woman and taken to prison for 3 months prior to going to trial. Later found innocent. Simply because in todays society a woman is to be believed no matter what? If you think this is a straw man argument. This exact scenario happened to someone I know. Side note the woman who falesly claimed rape was having a relationship with the government police officer and even though she caused the accused great mental harm and financial stress in the 100s of thousands nothing happened to her. The government has a limit to what they pay out when they are in the wrong so even though the guy was proved innocent he was still out of pocket thousands of dollars
Dang...Echo looks swölt.
Echo Charles doesn’t strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. Please replace him
What the fuck vets?
I mean; vets in my H.O.A keep rolling me & I can’t get a job no where.
1 weak mentality disliked
thats a stupid question...
THE REASON WHY I DONT SQUAT HEAVY....
ITS BECUZZZ I HAVE SKINNY KNEES
WHATS MY EXCUSE FOR HAVING SKINNY KNEES....
ITS A DAMN BONE!!!!!
Echo gives me a headache.
Echo is called echo because how annoying he is echoes in your head when he speaks. But I would not say that to his face
Andrews Peter you’d probably give him a headache, too. We can’t get along with everybody.
Montgomery Charles Hertfort He’s always talking in a circle just get to the point already. Ugh
Andrews Peter I agree with echo more than jocko when he gets his point through
I do too sometimes his points are less extreme but sometimes he just echos Jockos point. Jocko seems to get annoyed because he knows Echo.
I can’t even listen to the second dude
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