Cadence vs Torque speed sensors
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- A very honest review on Cadence speed sensors vs Torque speed sensors please subscribe for more videos on a lot of questions folks ask us. We have years of experience, we will recommend a few very good company's. But please if you want to get a hold of us do it through the comments down below.I'm getting flak from Ebikes over 50.. So we will not do anything to upset those folks at Facebook.. Are we opinionated you bet, Both myself and Paul are engineers and we have a lot of experience. We do not make any money doing this, we are lucky that on a few company's we can get you a discount.. You will always get an honest answer from us.. You may not like to hear the truth sorry it's the only way we know how to be..
Just subscribed in spite of your torque sensor bias. Wife and I own 2 budget folders with cadence sensors. My GForce T42 is 80nm at full throttle but I programmed PAS1 with 15% power, ie, 8 mph. Very tame, no jerky at all. Wife's AULOOR is not programmable and PAS1 is 15mph which is too fast and is jerky. I rode her bike and told her to take off PAS1, gentle throttle. She can throttle 3 mph in PAS5. She now has no problem riding her 1st ever ebike!
Great insight for a new e - bike shopper.
Looking for your first ebike is really getting tough, with over 250 company's selling ( Mid Fi mass produced ) ebikes. let me know what your budget is .I have a number of companies that I recommend and can get you a discount. Glad you enjoyed the video we are working on a number of new ones..
I have ridden the Nomad 1 a number of times, Bottom line it's an OK cadence bike. Problem I have a bad knee and my right hip has arthritis in it big time. Cadence bikes did not make it better. Yes all I had to do was rotate the peddles and the bike flew, I needed to build up strength. Getting cadence bikes did nothing for me to really get any exercise at all. Folks keep on saying torque bikes really make you work. Well if you put the bike in P A S 1 and put the bike in minimum 7.. ( Any good ebike should have a minimum of 8 preferable 9 gears ) It should not have a cheap thumb shifter, and a Tourney derailleur . A good front fork is paramount. Most bikes under $2000 have $29 dollar front forks, and garbage components . I would like you to go. to your Velotric dealer and try the Discover 2 it's a torque sensor and it's also the best bike they make. Give it a try.. Now if you want something that has both, cadence and torque sensors the Juiced RipCurrent S. The difference most cadence bikes under $2500 use either 8 or 12 magnets to send the information to the controller.. Juiced uses a different system which instead off 8 or 12 times a second. The system they use is cadence is 100 times a second and torque 1000 times second. Now if you want one of the best bike builders go to BikTrix in Canada you will have lots of questions. Look forward to all of them.. All The Best..
I have arthritis in my knees. I'd like an affordable all terrain bike. I'm 5'0. Have you tested the Velotric Nomad 1? I live in Canada so affordable quality options are limited. Thanks!
Outstanding thank you!
Randy thanks for the compliments, I'm getting a lot of flak from some of the Facebook subscribers. I have had ebikes for over 20 years and frankly I'm really disgusted in some of the subscribers. They love to tell people that all we are doing is click bait and making money.. You have to have 10,000 subscribers to make pennies .They also have to say how wonderful there bikes are when they are literally garbage., Cadence bikes are great only if you have a disability, otherwise you will find them on every junk bike made. And reviewers get paid by the bike RESELLERS and get huge perks. I have had ebikes for over 20 years and over they years there have been some pretty decent bikes, and then comes in the RESELLERS who are buying from 4 company's in China. All you need is $100,000 grand and a name and yo'ur in the ebike business . To say I get flak would be an understatement. We call a spade a spade and right now there are 20 really decent company's who make really great bikes. We will be glad to help you get the exceptional bike, all you have to do is contact us through the CZcams channel . This way the folks on Facebook can't make life miserable for us.. Take Care All The Best Ron
@@Instantpower332 Juiced Ripcurrent S, which I own, seems to be unique with its combination of an HD Cadence sensor + highly responsive torque sensor.
Sir, could you please suggest any technical questions that should be asked up front? The difference between the magnates & crystals are interesting. Not knowing Jack about them I’d ask the sales company to explain. The jerking on the initial throttle input is concerning. Thanks for that one.
Dave, if you have seen a weigh station on the highway where the have the semi’s
come in the are using strain gauges. What these gauges are are crystals, that produces an electrical signal when squeezed. A torque sensor is just that crystal’s that are set up in a way, when you press down on the peddles the Torque sensor produces a signal telling the computer how much power to go the motor. Now a cadence sensor ( cheap ones ) have ( think of a clock ) and the magnets are on all the hours. This is attached right next to the crank arm, when you peddle you rotate the clock face which has the magnets. The magnets when spinning produce a signal that a reader sees and tells the controller full power. Really good
cadence sensors use the same principle as the torque sensor. They just aren’t as accurate. A torque sensor measures 1000 times a second, a much better cadence sensor can go as high as 100 times a second. A cheap cadence sensor is either 8 times or 12 times a second depending on how many magnets they use. I hope this answers your question. And thanks for asking..
Thank you for your video. I have been riding a cadence sensor bike for a few years now. I ride 15-30 miles each time - and I am always pdealing. I just brought a bike with a Bosch Performance line Speed motor. I am disappointed: I am having to pedal significantly harder. I don't know if its my age, or the fact that I have injuries from two motorcycle accidents - but I am torn on whether to keep my new bike. Do you have any comments?
.. My guess is you do not have the benefit of a throttle, and an under powered ebike.. Another point it seems that your in pretty decent shape, having a mid motor bike is different in the sense that your gears are your transmission, right now I suggest that you go to lower gears to make peddling easier, and you go to the highest P A S level to make easier.. When I first went to a Mid Motor to be frank I suddenly realized that I wasn't in such great shape as I though as I was also peddling a lot more also. I really had to learn that gears where the transmission and shifting was paramount in me having a good ride without killing myself. Once I really learned this I found it so much more enjoyable. One point all of my mid motor bikes have throttles.. So
when I do need a break I can use the throttle.I'm not sure a throttle can be used with the Bosch Performance motor. It's worth checking out. Over the pond they have limits to the size of the motors, 250 watt , 350 watt. and are limited to class 1
bikes. And one last point, Tom we both believed ( I also had cadence bikes ) That we where really doing all the peddling I found out quickly that I was not.. If you really are struggling it might mean having to switch to a bike with a higher nm, and
one with a throttle.. You didn't give me the name of the bike. I'm just guessing a Trek, Specialized both very nice rides. Please if you have more question ask. All The Best
@@Instantpower332 Thank you for your comments. My cadence bike is a Rad Mission - so no gears. New bike is Cannondale Tesoro Neo 2. Supposedly 85nm. I have no doubt that I was not contributing much previously. And, yes, I am having to learn to shift for the terrain. I will keep working at it. Which mid-drive bikes offer a throttle? I am disappointed in Cannondale: they did not answer the phone when I called and did not respond to my voicemail. I did get some help from an LBS but he claimed that he could not order the bike for me - that I needed to order from Cannondale and drop-ship to him. He said "it's the future". (that LBS do assembly, service, and accessories.)
@@tomchanter62 Tom it's to bad but I see this more and more , Cannondale is a nice bike though. I just reviewed one of the most amazing mid motor bikes that I have seen. It's called the. FLX Step Through 2.0 and has some amazing
components. Instead of going on about the bike I do go into detail in the review we just did on the bike A few things, the motor is a Bafang M 600 with 120 nm , front fork is a Suntour through axel Nex ,derailleur is a 10 speed Deore . Loaded the bikes around $2000 and it comes with a throttle if you get the touring package.. Biggest thing with these folks is when you call they answer, and theses folks stock every part for every bike they sell. And 5 year 5000 mile warranty.. Hope this helps .. They changed their name to Super Human bikes ..
I was thinking about your question, On one of my mid motor bikes .. The FLX Step Through we had the option of changing
the P A S 1 through 5 , 1 through 9, or 1 though 3.. Putting the bike in 1 through 3 made it easier to pedal.. Not sure if you can adjust yours. But if you can give it a shot, might make it easier.. Sure did on the FLX..
@@tomchanter62 First thing I would try is max settings in the easiest gear. If that doesn't work, get a different bike. REI sells Cannondale ebikes so maybe they have advice too.
I'm an above knee amputee.I can't pedal.Can I ride an ebike without pedaling at all?
There are a number of well made cadence bikes made whats your budget.. I can surely point you you in a direction where you will get a quality ebike with great support..
@@Instantpower332 I also want something over 1000 watts.I guess my budget would be around $1500.
@@user-hg5bl8um9n Sorry for getting back to you so late, I have to assume that your going for a Torque bike vs a Cadence bike. There's really only one company in your price range that we really like. We are looking into getting our next review bike. Both are made by Hovsco. Bothe bikes use the motor we really like, made by Sutto . This motor is exceptional make a true 90 nm most motors say it make 85 nm and barely makes 50nm. Sutto is honest. Both bikes use trigger shifters . ( we do not like the cheap thumb shifters) Both.bikes use the thumb throttle, much better then the cheap twist throttle ( Which is on of off You can't adjust the throttle ) Both bikes have really decent front forks , and both bikes come with 2 year warranty. .The one thing I really likes, you get to deal with Annie at Hovsco. She's one of the higher ups ( I have her direct line ) the service is amazing. Now let's talk watts . 750 watts is legal in all 50 states ( doesn't mean they are going to come and get you if it's 1000 watts ) you can have a 1000 watt motor ( some of them can give you1300 watts peak and get 75 nm ) and you can have a Sutto 750 watt motor 1300 peak that gives you 1300 watts and gives you a true 90 nm of torque .along .. Quality of the motor , what controller with the motor win every time vs a cheap 1000 watt motor with a 18 amp controller gives you 900 1050 watts peak . Bottom a better built motor, and a 25 amp better controller.. I would not recommend a bike I would not own. Ok now the names of the bikes Ones 20" Hovsco. called the Beta and it is a little beast, and it's step through. The others called the Hovsco Alpha . The Beta comes with a 15 ah battery either Samsung or LG batteries, The Alpha comes with a 20 ah battery and comes loaded. I do recommend you get Step as it's just easier to get on and off, The Alpha comes in both Step Through and Step over. You decide. Now I highly recommend you decide quickly as the new tariffs start June10th. Also ask Annie for the mothers day price ( she might be able to pull it of ) Here is Annies direct phone# 909-900-8695. Just tell her Ron from Instant Power 322 .We spoke today. Any questions Just ask Ron
A cadence bike gives you the choice to pedal a lot or a little, a torque sensor means you must pedal all the time.
No a cadence you (yes can use the throttle ) still have to pedal to get the bike going. You most surely do not have to work very hard. A torque speed sensor works on peddle pressure, but if you want to take it easy just boost up the P A S and say in 4 or 5 it's really easy peddling. The really nice thing about torque sensor is it's so much easier to keep a constant speed. Where cadence a lot of times it's jerky and not a smooth transition to getting power to the back wheel..
@@Instantpower332 , I can deal with the jerky motion but a friend of mine recently bought a Cannondale mountain style bike with torque sensor, he has 3 pas levels, we went on a ride and hit a fairly steep hill, I had to put in effort to make to the top but he almost didn't make it on a $6700 bike
@@mikebordeaux8218 You are preaching to the choir, sure they make a nice bike ( Very expensive ) and very under powered . I have 2 cadence bikes ones the Juiced RipCurrent, 750 watt 25 amp controller 52 volt battery . I can pull 1300. watts and this bike for a hub motor flys. It's also a torque/cadence bike. The difference in this cadence system is instead of maybe checking 12 times a second at best it's 100 times a second much better. I have a cheap Freesky Rocky very well built and stupid fast 28 mph in PAS 5 and all you have to do is move the peddles. Frankly it's unsafe at that speed. Canondale are just under powered , and over priced..
@@mikebordeaux8218 problem with torque sensors that they configured different from every manufacture. Cheap Chinese on highest PAS usually gives you full power(to get around Europe law where throttle is not allowed)while others vary. For example I've seen many(specially European companies) on highest PAS give you back same power as you make.for example if you make 250W with legs motor will give you 250W.which makes Ebikes completely useless and overpriced,so better test bicycle in shop before buying