John Vervaeke: Democracy and the Relevance Realization of Distributed Cognition / 24. 9. 2022
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John Vervaeke has been teaching at the University of Toronto since 1994 and became an Associate Professor in 2019. He currently teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on insight problem solving, cognitive development with an emphasis on the dynamical nature of development, and higher cognitive processes with an emphasis on intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the Psychology of wisdom.
Topic: Democracy and the Relevance Realization of Distributed Cognition: Can Collective Intelligence Become Collective Wisdom?
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I became on Associate Professor in 2019, I have been teaching at the University of Toronto since 1994.
Very grateful for all your work John. You’ve taken me from the (purposefully) simplified psychology / philosophy of Jordan Peterson into something greater - and I’m very thankful for your presence in this world.
John, I have followed your work and CZcams channel. This is a very very clear and neat delivery of your thesis. Love it. Well done.
Anyone judging the depth of John’s insight and fluidity in presenting it knows a full professorship is overdue, at least 5-10 years behind. What happened to UT?
Well done John. To older people who grew up with meaning and institutions firmly in place perhaps your ideas don't resonate as much, to your younger audience who knows all to well the poverty of meaning and the fragmentation of attention - which seems to be worsening year on year - your ideas make perfect sense and are of vital importance.
Our mistake. I just edited the description. Thanks, John! On behalf of Institute H21, Vojtech
Like always... Verbaeke deploys brilliance.
Brazil desperately needs people like Verv to make this urgent call and shows there is hope.
Hands down the greatest introduction to John vervaeke video right here!
I still think the Cambridge lecture was better.
That was a great one too! Maybe this one is easier to digest if your new to philosophy lol
@@ericrosales3277 I agree that both are good. But his emphasis on the non-propositional is less clear here than in that other lecture. I kept thinking: "Are these people going to understand what the hell does he mean by 'propositional tyranny', and why do non-propositional stuff really matter?" His connection to ritual and participation was outstanding, in my opinion.
Agreed, I like how jv dismantled the first guys disagreements lol
His podcast with Lex fridman was also an excellent overview.
An excellent talk. The way you responded to the first questioner was superb.
first person asking questions is absolutely correct. Vervaecke is on the trip to eliminate subjectivity as such
Wow, talk about insights. Thank you John!
It was an honour to view this talk after following your work since the Mapping the Mind conference in Toronto 5 or 6 years ago. This was your most accessible piece yet, which is crucial given its contents and my attempts to engage people with your Meaning Crisis series. The main theses from your series and other works unfold in an elegant condensation here - a clear reflection of your skill as an educator and the benefits of dialogos. Your thorough, respectful answers to questions from people who could benefit from engaging with more of your work was a pleasure to see and an excellent model.
Thank you for expanding your reach and continuing to share your wisdom process.
This is a tremendous distillation of ideas of incredible depths. Beautiful!
The Q & A seemed a brilliant exemplification of the content and why it is so needed and powerful. But also incredibly foreign
One of the best talks that John Vervaeke gave. It's interesting to see how the questioners misframed John's points and perspective.
THIS IS A HOUSE OF LEARNED DOCTORS!!!
damn this guy is intelligent. I have to rewatch his videos often lol
The mind blowing I experience when I listen to JV makes hard to listen while I work but I always keep coming back
Incredible. I’ve listened to this maybe 10 times now
What a talk John! This talk along with the one at Thunder Bay are some of the best I’ve heard you give. Truly fantastic. Thank you so much for all that you are doing ❤❤🙏
The liar and the bullshit artist differences , salience threat to cognitive behavior of flexibility was the description of todays world . while I can intuit that is true I also have interpreted this as my unbeknownst experience with damage to my basal ganglia. It was a headache to make this comment but I wanted to write more than a massive thank you. THANK YOU
This is one of his more practical talks for me. Love the bit about finite vs. transcendence.
three ways of knowing as Vervaecke outlines, procedural, perspectival and participatory would not afford us new knowledge, but rather will culminate in recycling status quo to the point of complacency and further obscuring poignance of finitude and inevitability of death
Thank You!
Finally caught up with this one John. Impressive as always. Your handling of the questions was superb. I think I now understand why you keep speaking highly of this trip. A great testing ground for your thinking…
Atta boy John !!! Thank you
Thanks John!
Thanks Lee.
Thank you for being here, now.
Great job , John!
At 48:20 the guy asking the first question in the Q&A: he was talking about Socrates formulating a ruling class. I’ve realized that what Socrates first proposes is a simple life with no ruling class really, but that his interlocutors objected, saying that such a life was fit for “pigs.” Socrates then realized that what they wanted was a “luxurious city.” And that what Socrates demonstrates is that if you go for the luxury there will be trade offs.
This is fantastic
descriptive level is mostly accurate, but no explanation seems evident in this talk
John, I wish I could have you come over to Sweden and circle with you. I am glad to see you also in this arena, happy for the way that this looks like cross pollination continues to happen.
Where do you circle! I’m in gbg
“We agency.” Yes, that can explain perhaps why groups from corporations to mobs will do things that they would never do alone. Unless I’ve misunderstood the idea.
Is there a course specifically just on 4E cog sci?
Brilliant through and through. Just one question: what’s the role of profit-making as the central organizing principle of our current global culture? How does that affect the meta communities we are trying to create?
Good question!
Who is the person (Stakemire) referred to at 19:25?
After 30 minutes trying to convince us that relevance realization is a beautiful thing, thanks to Evolution, all of the sudden John informs us that we are equally incapable of recognizing things that should be paid attention to and instead ignore what should not be ignored. Indeed, Evolution works in mysterious ways? Without explaining as to why sometimes relevance realization misfires in the first place, John goes to blame Social Media for everything. John, if you are really open to correction from other people as you say you are, make explicit theoretically as to why cognition becomes faulty, without involving immediate critique of advertisement.
Also at 48:20 regarding Socrates having a low regard for people. In the Theatetus, Socrates does belittle empiricists.
You're brilliant and thanks so much!
26:30
Hearing the auditory and its questions, I see that generally West doesn't talk to eastern Europe on an intellectual level. The perfect example of it is Jordan Peterson's take on Ukraine - how ignorant he revealed himself about that issue! Now John is rather deep thinker and more refined communicator who can bring new tools for other cultures.
Peterson gets a lot of shit by speakers who usually don't listen to him long enough. He actually changed expanded his view on it. I don't see any simplistic take in Peterson on the Ukraine debacle.
Hahaha you are so full of yourself.
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it pretty obvious that it is almost impossible to have shared normativity with current for example north Korean regime. what needs to be understood is how different normativity arise in the first place. this talk doesn't even try to address this question
there no crisis of meaning per se, but rather clash of normativities and Vervaecke makes contradictory claims. one is being that we must come together on the basis of shared normativity, on the other, he encourages diversity of perspectives. total mass that is
"Can Collective Intelligence Become Collective Wisdom?"- John
Not in this Environment. Change the Environment and discuss.
John looks thinner
Need a better name than WeSpace, oof, so bad.
Demoncrazy is cringe
“No one person makes a norm.”
Jesus?
He also walked on water. Norms were easy pickings for that dude.
If the unpotentiated norm wasn't latent in the people, Jesus's spark would not have been sufficient to set it aflame. This isn't a criticism of Jesus, but a deeper recognition of his genius.
Jesus is embodiment of language.
John. Thank you. Thank you so much.