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  • @QuestingBeast
    @QuestingBeast  Před rokem +495

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    • @powersave2
      @powersave2 Před rokem +16

      FYI There is also a second twin book set in this series, and all four are available online for free in PDF form thanks to ann archive & the Project Aon License.

    • @davemarx7856
      @davemarx7856 Před rokem +3

      There's a certain joy in making your own maps

    • @jamielehn6926
      @jamielehn6926 Před rokem +2

      There was another one (sci fi) which was a dog fight in the air!

    • @jamielehn6926
      @jamielehn6926 Před rokem +1

      I had both of these - there was single player version

    • @MadGameBoy
      @MadGameBoy Před rokem +6

      This videos only 11 days old and both amazon links are now sold out with no way to tell what they sold for

  • @philipramirez5406
    @philipramirez5406 Před rokem +9980

    This gives me hope that one day I will find a book that I can play Doom on

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho4 Před rokem +5755

    This is blowing my mind. It's a Choose-Your-Own First Person Shooter, that is Multiplayer(!), but also has concurrent Single Player Modes (that are different depending on which book of the pair you're playing). AND it not only has multiplayer, but has a Campaign Mode.
    All while being 90% full page illustrations. And it all has to work together in a coherent way within itself, AND with its partner book.
    The amount of work that must have gone into not only producing this book, but doing so in a way that gives replay value, is astounding. They could have just made this a simple game that wears thin after a few runs. But they went the extra mile to give the player their money's worth.

    • @chaotickreg7024
      @chaotickreg7024 Před rokem +331

      The amount of math and theory that goes into making complex games like this boggle my mind.

    • @agnidas5816
      @agnidas5816 Před rokem +196

      @@chaotickreg7024 wait till you hear that the person designing this didn't look at the math - they did it by feel the way most high level things like this are done : same as in music and visual arts. There isn't really a combination or something spectacular here requiring formulas to run it behind the scenes so it will work.

    • @chaotickreg7024
      @chaotickreg7024 Před rokem +13

      @@agnidas5816 And how do you know that??

    • @Kozelek
      @Kozelek Před rokem +18

      @Gany J I don't agree that this game invented the first person shooter genre, though... Maze Wars existed since 1973: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_(1973_video_game)

    • @seussusamongoose2905
      @seussusamongoose2905 Před rokem +88

      @@chaotickreg7024 because the author Dever says he just did it all intuitively. When he got stuck on what page number to use in a specific place, he just flipped through the stuff he’d already finished writing to figure it out. There was no massive number table, map or design brief beyond what’s presented to you in the two books

  • @RogerTheil
    @RogerTheil Před rokem +4646

    As a game designer, this concept is actually my deepest dream come true. I'm thrilled someone has actually realized this style of gameplay.

    • @ittixen
      @ittixen Před rokem +115

      Same! I spent hours trying to work out ways to make interactive games on paper. This is inspirational.

    • @RocKM001
      @RocKM001 Před rokem +79

      The way the complexity of these Game Books grew as the genre blew up back in the day until video games took over was really great to see. You went from basic branching paths, to rpg campaigns and then expanded combat systems. Those were really the days of folks merging books and gameplay.

    • @shitheadjohnson2797
      @shitheadjohnson2797 Před rokem +16

      @@ittixen i was running around in school with my friends designing these on paper, i wasnt the only one making them. it was pretty cool.

    • @ronnielyn19
      @ronnielyn19 Před rokem +4

      ive been making games on paper since i was a kid where its sipposed to be interactive but i kept failing. i love the fact that THIS BOOK EXIST. my joy is immeasurable:'))

    • @ronnielyn19
      @ronnielyn19 Před rokem +1

      @@ittixen YOU TOO??

  • @HitsujiMamoru
    @HitsujiMamoru Před rokem +1835

    When you want to make a videogame, you don't know how to program, but you know how to draw.
    This needs to be reprint or get a spiritual successor. Mind-blowing.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Před rokem +184

      This game *is* a program, software doesn't have to exist on a computer. This is software whose instruction set is compatible with the human mind. Just 20 years before this book, all programming was done on paper and software didn't make it's way anywhere near a computer until it was complete or nearly complete.

    • @HitsujiMamoru
      @HitsujiMamoru Před rokem +84

      @@tissuepaper9962 one probably didn’t have to be pedantic about it when it’s clear they understood the point I was trying to make. Thanks for the history lesson and widened perspective though.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Před rokem +73

      @@HitsujiMamoru I wasn't trying to "correct" you or be a pedant, I just disagree with the false dichotomy you're drawing between programming and the "creative" arts. Making this book is fundamentally the same skill as writing a program for an electronic computer. The real game is in the boxes under the drawings. The drawings themselves are merely mnemonic devices to help keep the player oriented.

    • @HitsujiMamoru
      @HitsujiMamoru Před rokem +43

      @@tissuepaper9962 right. I see what you mean now. The way I wrote it does sound like I was doing a hierarchy with books at the bottom and computers at the top. Everyone got what I meant but it still sounds like it.
      Thanks for correcting me. I will be more careful.

    • @glegolas5008
      @glegolas5008 Před rokem +5

      I know right? Creativity to the fullest!

  • @ericjome7284
    @ericjome7284 Před rokem +1763

    There is also a Scarlet Sorcerer and Emerald Enchanter pair in the Combat Heroes series.

    • @ericb3157
      @ericb3157 Před rokem +28

      yes, i've seen those in a store LONG ago.

    • @VorpalDerringer
      @VorpalDerringer Před rokem +9

      Very cool.

    • @Apeiron242
      @Apeiron242 Před rokem +16

      I played those!
      Fucking brilliant.

    • @tgillies101
      @tgillies101 Před rokem +26

      My grade 4 teacher back in 1990 gave me a copy of Scarlett Sorcerer for free. Started my love of fantasy reading.

    • @magma2050
      @magma2050 Před rokem +7

      I remember that pair in my school library from years back. They had a dogfight battle, like the original books that inspired the series. I wonder how similar they are?

  • @primusinterpares5767
    @primusinterpares5767 Před rokem +2088

    It's crazy how creative some people are. This is awesome!

    • @WindiChilliwack
      @WindiChilliwack Před rokem +6

      I always love choose your own adventure books, I tried to recreate the entire ZORK-1 dungeon and areas since i was 13 when i first played it xD

    • @usernameonutube
      @usernameonutube Před rokem

      Wut?

  • @jaksantio1441
    @jaksantio1441 Před rokem +326

    The saddest part of this video is that dear Joe Dever is no longer with us, and all known available copies of these books have been bought out. The few that remain go for HUNDREDS of dollars, and I'm sure that this video has had an impact on their desirability. Shame I only learned about them now or I would’ve spared little expense to get my hands on all 4. P.S. the other 2 are called "Scarlet Sorcerer" and "Emerald Enchanter"

    • @jigglypuff3311
      @jigglypuff3311 Před rokem +34

      Its a shame someone doesnt copy it to the internet so somebody can do some reprints

    • @beans4269
      @beans4269 Před rokem +6

      @@jigglypuff3311 I really hope someone will. We need to ask people

    • @LukacsyGergely
      @LukacsyGergely Před rokem +41

      John Dever generously offered some of his books to Project Aon to be distributed online for free.
      Luckily, the Black Baron & White Warlord books are amongst them, and you can download the PDF versions of these books here:
      www.projectaon.org/en/Main/BlackBaron
      www.projectaon.org/en/Main/WhiteWarlord
      Cheers!

    • @zephyrw2173
      @zephyrw2173 Před rokem +17

      @@jigglypuff3311 Someone did! Look at Project Aon and they have ALL the Joe Dever books as downloadable PDFs and a guide on how to play them

    • @badlanding0529
      @badlanding0529 Před rokem

      @@LukacsyGergely Thank you!

  • @vladt7150
    @vladt7150 Před rokem +895

    The second 'Combat Heroes' pair ("Scarlet Sorcerer"/"Emerald Enchanter") is basically a fantasy version of 'Aces of Aces' with magical flying ships (right down to the 8 way view points and pseudo-hex map movement scheme); the solo adventure in both books is a map crawl where you are trying to find the magic gem your recently deceased mentor has hidden before the Deathlord finds it and conquers your homeland - the adventure has a time limit, where you need to find the gem within (I think) 30 in-game days as you travel the map, looking for clues as to the gem's location.
    As an aside, the creators of the 'Way of the Tiger' gamebook series (Mark Smith & Jamie Thompson) also created a 'One on One' series of books called 'Duel Master', which were more like a traditional text-based gamebook (vs the graphic based ones like 'Combat Heroes', 'Lost Worlds', etc), but used several Time based mechanics and code words to track a Player's location and progress;
    • "Challenge of the Magi" involved dueling mages travelling through a series of dimensions based on the five colours of Magic to collect resources and to ambush their rival ( before M:tG was even a thing) ;
    • "Blood Valley" involved one player being a slave (a Barbarian, a Thief or a Priest ) that has been released by the other player (who plays the cruel Archveult, a demonic/dragon-kin like being who rules the Valley and who conducts an annual hunt for their own pleasure), with the slave trying to either escape the valley or gather enough resources to turn the tables on their hunter and destroy them;
    • "The Shattered Realm" involves the players being the heads of two kingdoms fated by prophecy to go to war, with one annihilating the other - the first part being you and the other player trying to establish alliances with the neighbouring kingdoms (to get them to add their troops to your standing army), and the second part being the actual battle which takes place on a square grid);
    • "The Arena of Death" involves the players being Gladiators in the Arena of Mortavalon, who alternate between stalking each other in an above ground colosseum (divided into 4 areas), and a massive underground complex filled with traps, threats and potential allies who can assist the gladiators.
    Each set except "Blood Valley" have rules for solo play (though it's usually nothing more complex that rolling a die to if the "other player" has a specific code word or not)
    If you (and your kid) feel up for a slightly more complicated challenge, I recommend looking out for the 'Duel Master' series on the usual second hand book places (just make sure you're getting Books 1 *and* 2 of each set if playing two player). 👍

    • @seussusamongoose2905
      @seussusamongoose2905 Před rokem +17

      Veritable treasure trove, I don’t need to speculate about these anymore. Ty

    • @sticklyboi
      @sticklyboi Před rokem +7

      s឴top឴ i m឴i឴gh឴t឴ c឴u឴m឴

    • @HIIH31
      @HIIH31 Před rokem

      Nioce

    • @lAmGhostly
      @lAmGhostly Před rokem +1

      Holy nerd, what the hell did you just say

    • @balbalofficial8212
      @balbalofficial8212 Před rokem +6

      This is the strangest rabbit hole I've discovered myself in!

  • @KeterHirameki
    @KeterHirameki Před rokem +353

    I had no idea this existed and it's absolutely incredible, I can't even begin to imagine how hard it must've been for the writers to make something like this.

    • @superslavbross9935
      @superslavbross9935 Před rokem +9

      same! its absolutely mind blowing imo! amount of hard work,talent and creativity (with limited resources in that case books/paper) at the all time high.

    • @gamdanyunizar7849
      @gamdanyunizar7849 Před rokem +8

      @@superslavbross9935 It's either the author is a genius or he's one super bored man, it's amazing either way

  • @drewdederer8965
    @drewdederer8965 Před rokem +342

    Lost Worlds was the largest block of these. Most were based off of Grenadier miniatures, but they also did Battle Tech (with somewhat different rules). There were also Ace of Aces books for Star Wars. AND there is also the Japanese "Queens Blade" series of books (which came about when the lost worlds idea was carried overseas by Flying Buffalo). Where you can not only injure your opponent, you can damage their clothing (and dignity). This system was biggest in the 80s and early 90s, but it keeps coming back..

    • @urfaes6878
      @urfaes6878 Před rokem +11

      Lost Worlds, I remember, but I regret never having bought the BattleTech books because I am currently very interested in BattleTech.

    • @donwebster9292
      @donwebster9292 Před rokem

      I think I have 10 of the lost worlds or so.

    • @Malcadon
      @Malcadon Před rokem +5

      I remember finding a SHD-2H Shadowhawk Data Card in a box of old RPG and wargame sets 20 years ago not knowing what it was for. In the same box, I found the 2nd edition Battletach rulebook and was surprise by how awesomely post-apocalyptic the pre-Clan Invasion era was (I was never a fan of the Clans or Helm Core tech, so that made me reject them even more). As for the Data Card, I found it neat that you had options like high & low laser attacks, duck, cool down, wild swing and the like, as well as combat skills for each type/class of weapon, including hand-to-hand. Until I found PDFs of the Nova Games gamebooks floating online some ten years ago, all the numbers on the card made no sense to me. Its a neat rule set and I wish you could have battlemechs function a little more like in the Nova books (sans the messy CYOA setup).

    • @AllanGoodall
      @AllanGoodall Před rokem +3

      There was a Star Wars Lost Worlds game, called Lightsaber Duel. It features Luke and Vader from Return of the Jedi facing off against each other. I still have my copy.

    • @urfaes6878
      @urfaes6878 Před rokem +1

      @@AllanGoodall I had that one, too! I remember thinking how awesome it was back then.

  • @adamjchafe
    @adamjchafe Před rokem +419

    This is such a wild concept. Game designers brains blow me away sometimes!

  • @fakebadpeople
    @fakebadpeople Před rokem +53

    This looks like the type of thing I would have tried to make as a kid before giving up after three days. I was enchanted by books that function differently than most books growing up, and this is still very much up my alley now, but would have been especially so back then. Maybe I'll look for some copies at some point and try the game with my brother. I bet he'd love this!

    • @jigglypuff3311
      @jigglypuff3311 Před rokem +1

      Have you ever checked out "ergodic" literature?

  • @mrben6573
    @mrben6573 Před rokem +214

    This is the kind of thing I wished existed as a free to play browser game. Like... I don't think I'm going to purchase these books and muddle through them. But if it was all digitally streamlined so it tells you what options you have and all you have to do is make decisions and click buttons, that would be a fun time. I'd click around in the browser based version of this for sure.

    • @pickleridge5656
      @pickleridge5656 Před rokem +20

      there's a pdf of each book

    • @7tales311
      @7tales311 Před rokem +36

      did. Did you just describe an actual fps?

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean Před rokem +7

      @@7tales311 Kinda! It wouldn't be a very FPS-ey FPS, but it would be more FPS than Portal.
      Maybe it would be a turn-based first-person shooter?

    • @Artawii
      @Artawii Před rokem +7

      @@7tales311 no i thibk more like, just a website version of this, not exactly aiming, still using the charts and selecting numbers, more like a point and click browser game

    • @dizzydial8081
      @dizzydial8081 Před rokem +11

      Sounds like a pdf with hyperlinks.

  • @EmperorSmith
    @EmperorSmith Před rokem +146

    Lone Wolf game books were my jam as a kid.
    Really excellent elevation of the 'choose your adventure' format - where you would pick skills and abilities at the start that would give you options to move to different pages if you had that skill or ability.

    • @intruder313
      @intruder313 Před rokem +4

      They are currently being republished month by month in some 'Master/Collectible' format but quite expensive as only hardback for now.

    • @jbertucci
      @jbertucci Před rokem +1

      check project Aon

    • @EmperorSmith
      @EmperorSmith Před rokem

      @@jbertucci awesome.

    • @SpeedNash
      @SpeedNash Před rokem

      I played it and was blown away, they have it on PC and mobile too

  • @1rez378
    @1rez378 Před rokem +58

    Finally we can run Doom in a book

  • @inthefade
    @inthefade Před rokem +569

    I'd love to see this digitized and made into something you could play online, just so I could experience it.

    • @SpoopyKatt
      @SpoopyKatt Před rokem +53

      Imagine this is as n online game but works exactly like this.

    • @ashtonsgotsauce9981
      @ashtonsgotsauce9981 Před rokem +35

      @@SpoopyKatt the only difference being the lack of turning pages

    • @SpoopyKatt
      @SpoopyKatt Před rokem +52

      @@ashtonsgotsauce9981 It can have pages on the screen or use digital cards or something but with detailed art and moving sprites

    • @AssidiousBlue
      @AssidiousBlue Před rokem +77

      Thanks to current copyright laws, you can either find the current rights holder, and pay to licence it to do so, or wait until November 2086 when it will be public / copyright free!

    • @Chris-Martin424
      @Chris-Martin424 Před rokem +28

      Or make a "Legally Distinct" version?

  • @tychozzyx9439
    @tychozzyx9439 Před rokem +26

    Ace of Aces! I grew up on that game (simplified variant) and I remember mapping out all the moves in it and realizing they all fit onto a hex map. The pages ended up being every orientation of two planes within three hexes of each other with every other result being LOST with another neutral start if you both go looking for each other.
    The rules also mentioned that you could play more than a duel given more books and bookmarks so that you saw a different page for each enemy, but had to take the same action against each

  • @justingain
    @justingain Před rokem +55

    Growing up in the late 80s/early 90s and seeing how choose your own adventures were popular - this would’ve blown my mind if I could find it. Thanks for the video. This is awesome!

  • @collectivesartori
    @collectivesartori Před rokem +103

    Early Lone Wolf rpg game books were the most complex of their type in reproducing ad&d style gaming for one in a paperback form. Chasm of Doom was a monster, dark complex and easy to die. Phenomenal interactive fiction. Incredible work of the imagination.

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 Před rokem +5

      I have been buying the Definitive Editions of Lone Wolf and playing it for the first time. Absolutely incredible stuff.

    • @collectivesartori
      @collectivesartori Před rokem +3

      @@LordVader1094 brilliant! For impact and all over appeal nothing beats the Steve Jackson & Ian Livingstone Fighting Fantasy series, but the Lone Wolf series was another layer of complexity and thematic power that a gamer could ‘graduate’ into when they were ready. Lone Wolf makes sense as the natural evolution from the confluence of the humble (but incredible) Choose Your Own Adventure books with the mechanics and purity of AD&D. It was an incredibly exciting time for game book invention.

    • @drsnova7313
      @drsnova7313 Před rokem +1

      Still got the whole set of them. It was great fun back then. Though, admittedly, I cheated on occasion, like going back on some "oops, you died!" sort of decisions - or the reverse, checking out some obviously bad decision despite then taking another route.

    • @collectivesartori
      @collectivesartori Před rokem

      @@drsnova7313 man that’s cool. All the books. I can understand the temptation to cheat. Unlike CYOA dying in the middle of a game book was a real drag, because the gameplay was so much more involved and took much longer. Those “you died” death messages were brutal 😬

  • @Romanticoutlaw
    @Romanticoutlaw Před rokem +12

    the fact that you call out numbers rather than roll them in combat is interesting.. I feel like you eventually wind up memorizing number combinations so if you hear your opponent start to say like, "seven" you say a number that goes favorably with it for you. Saying things at the exact same time is difficult to both do and enforce

    • @skye0_
      @skye0_ Před rokem +9

      could just write the numbers on a piece of paper beforehand and show the paper

  • @krounos1
    @krounos1 Před rokem +15

    There are also digital versions of these on Project Aon, which also contain all of the Joe Dever Lone Wolf books officially endorsed by the man himself before his passing.

  • @zethan5398
    @zethan5398 Před rokem +82

    That is really freaking cool that someone figured out how to make a multiplayer book! As an amateur game designer for both board games and video games I think I need to track down some copies of these kinds of books.

  • @solamon77
    @solamon77 Před rokem +14

    Joe Dever was probably the best author to ever work in the field of Choose-your-own-adventure books. I grew up on his Lone Wolf books. What a genius!

  • @Melfs_acid_flashback3604
    @Melfs_acid_flashback3604 Před rokem +20

    My teens absolutely loved the Lone Wolf series, but I didn't know these amazing books existed. Thanks so much for highlighting their features, what an innovative concept.

  • @Wraithing
    @Wraithing Před rokem +19

    Takes me back. A friend and I played these during a few school lunchtimes. Short-lived really, because I remember running Palace of the Silver Princess later that term - a couple more kids had been interested in what we'd been playing, so it opened up a chance to play D&D at school.
    I'd totally forgotten about the books though. Thanks for the memory.

  • @shanewinter7251
    @shanewinter7251 Před rokem +36

    Lost Worlds implemented a picture book combat system as well. Lots of character choices.

  • @borisdevilboon8064
    @borisdevilboon8064 Před rokem +35

    Fascinating! Also so much b&w line art I'm drooling

  • @andyparkinson1996
    @andyparkinson1996 Před rokem +15

    This is hands down the most interesting thing I’ve seen in a while! That fact it’s fully coherent aswell and looks kinda fun makes this even more amazing! Thanks for sharing these with us !

  • @JazzOLantern
    @JazzOLantern Před rokem +37

    I never thought a book like these existed. What an amazing idea!!

  • @striderofderp7820
    @striderofderp7820 Před rokem +7

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. You did an amazing job explaining the mechanics and how these books work. I was not expecting it to be that in depth!

  • @Xhantoss
    @Xhantoss Před rokem +5

    Woah, thats amazing!
    Hats off to the game designers who managed to create such a thing. Having the other player move and correctly portraying that on the pages of the book is really amazing!

  • @TheRoark
    @TheRoark Před rokem +11

    This is really similar to the Star Wars battle books that I have seen! In those it is a Tie Interceptor vs an X Wing with each having their own unique maneuvers

  • @MollyHJohns
    @MollyHJohns Před rokem +8

    I only know of the Magnakai Lone Wolf series from this author and could only buy a few books back then... Didn't know he had more series out there, even today. It's my first ever experience in knowing about such a roleplaying game in book form as well.

  • @werewolf74
    @werewolf74 Před rokem +11

    I remember some choose your own adventure books that took dice and had you track inventory. Pretty fun stuff.

  • @alternator7893
    @alternator7893 Před rokem +5

    As a librarian I must acquire these at all costs.

  • @natalie5947
    @natalie5947 Před rokem +18

    What a cool idea. I can hardly imagine how they originally mapped out all the pieces and kept all the pages straight.

  • @MrStrikecentral
    @MrStrikecentral Před rokem +18

    Well, I guess I need to add these to my wishlists...also don't forget Emerald Enchanter and Scarlet Sorcerer!

  • @xylord18
    @xylord18 Před rokem +12

    Lone Wolf was an inspiration for me to get into d&d with my friends. Probably wouldn’t have otherwise.

  • @muzboz
    @muzboz Před rokem +1

    I found one of these in my primary school library (around 1988 or something), and could not for the life of me figure out how it worked, no matter how much I was busting to play it. The pages looked so awesome, but I just had no idea!
    Now I learn it's basically a multiplayer game requiring two books! Hahaha! Cheers. Great to see it again. :D

  • @briansinger5258
    @briansinger5258 Před rokem +14

    This is crazy. Truly a work of art.

  • @jonathangarrison
    @jonathangarrison Před rokem +4

    Never heard of this before. Wild, creative stuff! Thank you for introducing me to this.

  • @misomiso8228
    @misomiso8228 Před rokem +68

    You could take a look at the two new Fighting Fantasy books -
    Shadow of the Giants by Ian Livingstone and
    Secrets of Salamonis by Steve Jackson
    Secrets of Salmonis is very very innovative and really worth playing, as it has lots of ideas you could pick from for a city based DnD campaign.

    • @Grymniir
      @Grymniir Před rokem

      Thank you so much for this. I didnt know that my two heroes of Fighting Fantasy books were still going strong.

  • @RedRamDRA
    @RedRamDRA Před rokem +2

    I've had a few game books in the days of old... The concept of multiplayer books just seems so amazing to me!

  • @todlevi1968
    @todlevi1968 Před rokem +9

    Omg. Thank you so much for sharing and appreciating this! Used to play these with my brother. We called them “white knight, black knight.” Unfortunately, when I tried to google them years later I couldn’t remember the original titles. Now you’ve found them for me! Wonder if bro is up for a game?

  • @perrygrosshans8537
    @perrygrosshans8537 Před rokem +8

    I turn around and see the White Warlord book behind me! My brother has the Black Baron one. We loved playing them back on the day. I keep wanting to Discord chat with him and play them, and maybe I finally will! I am also a huge fan of the solo adventure books. I currently own all but one of the ancient TSR CYOA books (the first Tarzan book is impossible to find without paying some greedy bastard $300USD for some reason). Marvel comics in the early 2000s came out with a comic series of combat comics similar to the ww/bb and ace of aces books which are also awesome.

  • @andrewdiaz3529
    @andrewdiaz3529 Před rokem +4

    Already backed Dark places and Demogorgons! These kind of books show off how crazy dedicated people can be; The sheer amount of notes that had to have gone into creating the books boogles the mind. It's literally paper computing, a fully functioning game. There are definitely a lot of factors in why we don't really see this kind of stuff anymore, but I think the sheer amount of time required to make it and the low visibility this kind of stuff has are some of the biggest reasons. I totally can see some people who'd probably go crazy making these kinds of books if they were just free to do that

    • @luxill0s
      @luxill0s Před rokem

      I’d love to make books like these. I used to make complicated Choose Your Own Adventure “books” out of notebook paper with illustrations when I was younger. I’d love to make one again on a larger scale

  • @punawelewele
    @punawelewele Před rokem +1

    That is awesome. I love the randomization system for the bow.

  • @W-C-F-o1k
    @W-C-F-o1k Před rokem

    So cool! I've never had the opportunity to play D&D stuff, but this looks fun! I remember my grandma had this old electronic D&D game where you'd press buttons and put up little plastic walls

  • @kotzpenner
    @kotzpenner Před rokem +3

    This is an insane concept! Would really like to see a playthrough

  • @zachcheung8400
    @zachcheung8400 Před rokem +4

    Now I want to see speedrunners going through the single player campaign and see how fast they can read and flip through pages.

  • @lukedavis3953
    @lukedavis3953 Před rokem

    I appreciate you bringing attention back to this amazingly unique format.

  • @limitbreak2966
    @limitbreak2966 Před rokem

    As soon as I read the title I had an idea of what was going on, but even still it’s so damn cool that books like this exist. Every time I see one of these types of books it really impresses me

  • @markbaker465
    @markbaker465 Před rokem +28

    That this even exists is fascinating. I'm not sure it would have been exactly to my taste but what an absolute treasure!

  • @Dirpman42
    @Dirpman42 Před rokem +3

    I LOVE the Lone Wolf series. Found a ton of them like 20 years ago in a store and played them all a dozen times.

  • @thefinegameofnil7158
    @thefinegameofnil7158 Před rokem +1

    I had a similar book when I was a kid, you were dropped into an arena with a maze beneath it and the two players were supposed to stop at key pages and check if the other was in the same room, if so there was a combat system through which you could fight one another. Neat to see someone talking about a similar set of books in 2022.

  • @Jack_Wolfe
    @Jack_Wolfe Před rokem

    Omg I love seeing stuff like this, even BETTER if there’s a break down on how they’re constructed, because I would so love to make my own ones

  • @MarshmallowMadnesss
    @MarshmallowMadnesss Před rokem +27

    I've seen Choose Your Own Adventure books before but this is a really innovative way to put books in kids's hands.
    Also, I see inspiration from games like Dungeon Master and other old school first-person dungeon crawlers. (Legend of Grimrock is a modern example, try it!)

    • @gamedoutgamer
      @gamedoutgamer Před rokem

      Since the books came out a year before D.M., it seems it's the other way around.

  • @mccallosone4903
    @mccallosone4903 Před rokem +3

    holy crap, i think i had one of these. i vaguely remember the art, and have faint memories of trying to play this with my friend in fifth grade, but never really figuring it out. wouldnt surprise me, as i bought all the lone wolf books too

  • @cloudycrisps7290
    @cloudycrisps7290 Před rokem +1

    This Video is doing some NUMBERS!!! I hope that means you'll cover the sequal books, Emerald Enchanter & Scarlet Sorcerer...

  • @jamesw2855
    @jamesw2855 Před rokem

    Thanks for the showcase, the artwork is amazing. I would of loved these growing up. Look like they are now sold out on Amazon.

  • @bellat.1377
    @bellat.1377 Před rokem +4

    I played this in college! I loved it. I had started a small cult for these types of games in my friend group.

  • @ShonenXIV
    @ShonenXIV Před rokem +11

    When the CZcams algorithm actually works it brings wonderful gems like this video.
    You got a sub from me, congratulations on getting over 500k views in nearly 2 weeks more than your drawing video did in 5 years. Can't wait to see more of your content!

  • @gabrielesimionato1210

    I couldn't think somebody would have talked about these again. Nice review!

  • @roxtrox7
    @roxtrox7 Před rokem +2

    This is amazing. What a work of art. I really like how rolling a d20 is just two players shouting a number from 1-10 and adding it together. That’s such a fun idea. I hope more modern ttrpgs pick it up. Thank you for sharing!

    • @QuestingBeast
      @QuestingBeast  Před rokem +2

      It's basically the same as rolling 2d10, you're going to get a bell curve.

  • @HermanDuyker
    @HermanDuyker Před rokem +5

    There's also a second set of books in the same series, Scarlet Sorcerer and Emerald Enchanter, in which the 2-player game is aerial combat in magic skyships (possibly somewhat like Ace of Aces, which I've paged through back in the day, but don't own). The solo games in this set consist of flying over segments of a landscape / map, trying to discover the location of some magic Power Crystal.
    My White Warlord/Black Baron books have a different cover, but the inside looks identical to the ones in the video. Possibly UK vs US versions?

    • @vladt7150
      @vladt7150 Před rokem

      You be correct - the ones in this video are the US versions published by Berkley Pacer, with black back covers and spines; the UK versions were published by Beaver Books and had white back covers and spines - AFAIK, they are identical on the inside.

  • @connorkennedy1794
    @connorkennedy1794 Před rokem +6

    This is such a cool idea Ben. I would totally buy this. I kinda wish someone would make a modern version as a D&D minigame or something. You could even do a scifi version with lazguns and vibroswords or lightsabers. I wonder how it would play with 3 or 4 people on a slightly bigger map?

    • @Cyfrik
      @Cyfrik Před rokem +2

      3-4 players on a bigger map would probably require a lot of pages to account for all the variables.

    • @jigglypuff3311
      @jigglypuff3311 Před rokem

      could turn it into 2v2, where 2 players move together as a unit, each with different abilities. one controls the movement, the other could be focused on combat, or scouting abilities, to find the opponents. difficult, but could be done to minimize variables but add replayability.

  • @GeeEmm81
    @GeeEmm81 Před rokem

    I had some of these books growing up. I’d forgotten about them completely. This is amazing!!

  • @njalsand133
    @njalsand133 Před rokem +2

    the planning that went into designing this is really impressive

  • @razorwork1
    @razorwork1 Před rokem +5

    Highly suggest reading through Lone Wolf from Joe Dever. Had the full set as a kid and still remember the whole series.

    • @thac0twenty377
      @thac0twenty377 Před rokem

      His son just started releasing definitely versions expanded from his dad's notes

  • @lordmonfort
    @lordmonfort Před rokem +4

    Pretty sure I'm never getting a copy now.🤣 I picked up White Warlord on a trip to Kmart with my mom...at the same trip I got Def Leppard's Hysteria. I would love to see a company put these as phone apps one day.

  • @santiagosancho2317
    @santiagosancho2317 Před rokem +1

    This completly blew my mind, not in my wildest dreams I could have thought something like this was even possible for a book

  • @simonkormendy849
    @simonkormendy849 Před rokem +1

    This reminds me of a fantasy roleplaying game book I used to have when I was younger, it was called Wizard of Firetop Mountain, and you had to roll a pair of dice to progress, or combat enemies.

  • @FelipeWalker2
    @FelipeWalker2 Před rokem +15

    I kinda feel a bit smarter when i know about something that Ben does not hahahaha. Yeah, those books are amazing, and so was Joe Dever, he will forever be missed. I highly recommend his gamebooks.

  • @harmonicaman79
    @harmonicaman79 Před rokem +4

    Love this! Please do the Lone Wolf series next. Also, if you want to read a mysterious, atmospheric, immersive story-based puzzle book, read Maze by Christopher Phillips. Trust me, it's amazing.

  • @BGNerd1
    @BGNerd1 Před rokem

    I had these books when I was a kid!! I unfortunately do not have them anymore, but thank you for the video. It brought back great memories. I was recently thinking about the books a few weeks ago trying to remember the name to see if I could find them again, course they are out of print, but maybe I’ll come across them thrifting some day. Thanks again!!

  • @LegoManAndrew
    @LegoManAndrew Před rokem

    I havn't read these in a long time. I love this set of books, going to have to dig it out of my collection in storage

  • @Rodrigo-pf6jr
    @Rodrigo-pf6jr Před rokem +3

    Muito maneiro esse Dungeon crawler em um livro, lembra Migth & Magic.

  • @IronFreee
    @IronFreee Před rokem

    I had a similar book but it was planes dogfight where each player had a representation of the other plane from its own perspective and had to chose his next move to try to align it in its visor (both planes moved at the same time).

  • @pcppbadminton
    @pcppbadminton Před rokem

    Wow, what a blast from the past. My best friend through school had both of those sets (Combat Heroes and Ace of Aces). So much fun.
    Over the Reich and Achtung Spitfire! are basically computer game versions of Ace of Aces that came out in the 90s, also loads of fun.
    He also had a similar set that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. It was a PvPvE system where one player starts off as this OP dragon lord thing (I'm pretty sure called the Archebald or something), and the other player is a captive who has been released to be hunted down for sport. The captive gets a few free turns to make their escape while the other player uses the time to set traps, gear up and gloat. Then the chase is on, except the play area is significantly larger and more varied and there are environmental hazards and beasts that will attack both players. The goal for the captive is to escape the lands or find good gear and level up enough to kill the hunter, the Archebald has to track down the captive and kill them before they escape or get too powerful. IIRC it kind of plays similarly in that if the captive kills a monster then when the hunter reaches the same spot they're told to go to a different page that says the monster has already been slain, so they know they're on the right track. They're both also playable solo.
    Then I found the sister set to that one in an old book store, that I also can't remember the name of. They were also PvPvE except the scope was a lot broader and the goal was for each player to negotiate with nearby societies and raise an army large enough to defeat the other player in an epic battle.

  • @Axiom_Link
    @Axiom_Link Před rokem

    What a crazy unique idea! So neat. Great video!

  • @theFlyingSwami
    @theFlyingSwami Před rokem

    Omg I’ve been trying to remember the name of these books for years, thank you!

  • @Deathrune14
    @Deathrune14 Před rokem +1

    A fascinating concept. Thanks for bringing this to light!

  • @SaintMatthieuSimard
    @SaintMatthieuSimard Před rokem +2

    That's the most unique thing I seen in a while! When I was a kid, there were books called "Book in which you are the hero" (Livre dans lequel vous êtes le héros), which apparents itself a bit with this concept. Tho, it was not PVP, and you actually had to read your way through the story, make choices... Which could be fatal to the story. It was fun.

  • @colinderue8095
    @colinderue8095 Před rokem +2

    I cannot find these for sale ANYWHERE! Ugh this got me so excited and my dreams were dashed away shortly after. I’m so jealous of anyone who has them just from growing up with them.

  • @TheMartinChronicles
    @TheMartinChronicles Před rokem +1

    I still have a 1 on 1 adventure game book "Dragon Wand of Krynn" that is almost identical to this. Looks like it was published in 1987. I also have three AD&D adventure gamebooks that are essentially choose your adventure but with stat sheets and dice.

  • @royliuhm
    @royliuhm Před rokem

    This is truly nostalgic. I had these books back when I was kid, although I always played solo. Never really understood the rules though. Thanks for the explanation!

  • @lorenfulghum2393
    @lorenfulghum2393 Před rokem +1

    I had these as a kid.... these were the coolest adventure books around in the early 90s!

  • @bazingabazonga
    @bazingabazonga Před rokem

    I love this, everything about this is such a cool concept

  • @cyberpimp29
    @cyberpimp29 Před rokem

    These were really fun. There were D & D books also. As a kid, I even wrote my own. It had a combat matrix where you used a d-6

  • @srjskam
    @srjskam Před rokem +1

    This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen OR will ever see, period.

  • @jiaxuanng2396
    @jiaxuanng2396 Před rokem

    That's so cool, I remember adventure books and this just takes it to the next level.

  • @adamvanlangenberg2690

    I have been looking for these for decades! An old friend had this, plus a spaceship battle one.

  • @tkayube
    @tkayube Před rokem +1

    Reminds me of another series of books called "1 on 1". It was a similar idea but in more of a standard gamebook format. It was made by TSR so also had some D&D elements.

  • @4saken404
    @4saken404 Před rokem

    I used to have Ace of Aces back in the day. Glad to see that some people have expanded on that idea!

  • @Arakellian
    @Arakellian Před rokem

    I love how cool this is it's a book of illustrations that's multiplayer

  • @TheShabick
    @TheShabick Před rokem +1

    Joe Dever is a genius, Lone Wolf and World of Lone Wolf was my favorite series as a kid. Tabletop but you didn't even need a dice (random number chart in the back of the book). So many good twists and turns fascinated me and I didn't even mind the few times I got taken out because it was an excuse to do it all over again. This doesn't surprise me, but sheesh Mr. Dever, your awesomeness deserves more love and attention, thanks Questing Beast for showing these off. There is Lone Wolf on Steam also.

  • @noahsichel7764
    @noahsichel7764 Před rokem

    I work on a big fishing boat every summer, this is gonna be a fun passtime with the crew

  • @ResoluteGryphon
    @ResoluteGryphon Před rokem

    Yet another thing I want but likely will never have. I've always loved Choose Your Own Adventure style books and this concept is SO clever!

  • @bbaker8330
    @bbaker8330 Před rokem

    There's some nostalgia for real. Loved all of Joe Dever's stuff, very creative designs and stories. The Lone Wolf stuff is available on apps these days.