Testing if MG Runs with Heat and Vinegar
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Today I take a look at a 1948 MG TC that has been sitting for a very long time and try to get it running again. I clean out the old oil and fill the engine with vinegar, after that I heat the engine up operating temperature and see if I can get the engine to move.
00:00 Intro
00:13 Vinegar
03:05 Borescope Cylinders
06:04 Rocking the Car
06:45 Heating the Engine
09:31 Trying to Break It Free
09:57 Draining the Oil
11:04 Scoping Engine Again
12:00 Last Chance
12:32 Vinegar Experiment
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Engines teardowns are always great to watch.
I would like to see the tear-down and rebuild of the TC motor.
Huge fan of the entire MG T series. I’ve loved these cars since I was 12. Looking forward to its rehab.
Great video. I'd never heard of using vinegar on rust, it seemed to do a good job on your cylinders. That beauty of a car deserves all the attention you can give it. I would like to see more.
I’ve heard of it but not inside engines. It also cleans up the mineral build up in your shower heads and faucet aerators.
I enjoy all of your series on British cars. Keep them coming!
Perhaps as a next step before engine tear down, pull head, use wooden block mallet method to get some movement? I think you are just about there. With head off, use some evapo rust to soak but also scrub walls with nylon scrub pads to remove additional rust -it is amazing how that little fine line of corrosion at the rings will lock an engine up. I have seen far far worst engines than yours freed up. The atf was a good move also and I like your use of your hot pressure washer, very innovative, don't give up as of yet!
A classic such as this deserves to be on the road again, under its own power. I also had not seen what vinegar could do with cylinder rust. Good experiment! Any thoughts on trying one of the "off-the-shelf" products designed to remove rust? You may have to do a tear-down anyway, those valves looked pretty crusty with tetraethel lead residue... Great video, hope to see more!!!
I tried letting vinegar sit for about a week in an old Yamaha enduro motor that was rusted solid. The trick that finally broke it loose was actually using diesel fuel. From my understanding (at least from what an old motorcycle guru told me) is that diesel works better because it slips past the rings. I'm looking forward to seeing the teardown and watching this beauty run.
Diesel and kero 1:1 used to work for me.
Mix acetone in with the ATF and attempt to crank start the engine after a couple of days soaking. The car did come with a crank (located in the boot) and I'd give it a try. Nice video and nice car. Hope all works welland thanks for sharing.
You can also get "cleaning" vinegar that is a bit stronger, you can definitely feel it when you get it on your bare skin, that might be better for the rust removal.
Definitely interested in seeing you rebuild the TC engine.
yes would love it to see it running
Yes to the teardown please. In my experience vinegar can work to remove rust but keep your eye on it - deep pits can form quickly, on existing rust spots.
Yes! Please do follow-up videos on the engine tear down and rebuild. 👍
Engine strip down gets a vote from me 👍 seeing the rebuild would also be useful . Keep up the good work👍
I've been using white vinegar to clean rust on vintage drum restorations for years and only learnt recently that you can get double strength white vinegar, although not on the supermarket shelves. Down here I've found it in bulk supply stores.
Such a beautiful car; that’s definitely a keeper. The ATF, acetone and Marvel Mystery Oil are great alternatives but never seen vinegar inside motors.
Ditto, the best combo for the tough stuff.
Try molasses and water mixture. I did an experiment over 30 days in a sealed container. Even cleaned up threads well enough to operate well.
Definitely like to see the tear down!
I've been really enjoying watching you work on this TC. I would love to see you return it to the road!
White vinegar is also great for getting rid of mould, especially in stored cars (as well as your house and leather goods). Mould spores can be dangerous to your health.
Absolutely! I'd love to see you work on this engine! I'd like to own a TC one day and I am learning all I can about them.
Hi Steve, great looking car. The colour suits it to a T. Love to see inside the motor. Looks like ex U.K. Possibly taken back by a serviceman. Love to have it back over here. (U.K.)
I would love to have an MG T series, preferably a ‘52, when I was born, so I would love to see how this turns out, and driving again.
I've used white cleaning vinegar to clean and de-rust for years. I also use other products for one off situations, but that rearly arise.
I have not heard of using vinegar on cylinders but it does make sense as it is acidic. It did seem to clean out quite a bit of the rust but it would take a long time to do the job. It was also a good idea to heat the engine to try to free it but if all else fails the a strip down is the final option. I think it was worth trying all the other options though as you have lost nothing by doing so. Interesting video Steve thank you. 👍👍
The acid in the vinegar gets neutralized by the rust. While you cleared the visible rust up in the cylinders it was neutralized before it could do the job of removing the rust in the small spaces between pistons and cylinders. I would recommend putting a couple of inches of vinegar in for 24 hours, suck it out and repeat daily for 1-2 weeks. This will do a better job of allowing the active acid to get all the way down the side of the piston. Think of each day the acid getting neutralized and the need to replenish so the process can continue working on the more severe and hard to reach areas.
Can't beat a 50 / 50 mix of acetone and ATF. Broke a stuck Lotus engine loose with it. Has to go into a dry engine though. My first Brit car was a TC. Started an addiction!
Love to see the tear down.
I would like to see the engine rebuilt. A bunch of folks have them in the car club here in Rochester, NY and they would also appreciate the demo, I'm sure, and i woumd appreciate it for when im called to lend a hand!
Yeah, I reckon the old MG deserves a build. Cheers
Definitely love to see a tear down and the exact cause of the seize..
A tear down will be a good watch
Takes about half an hour to remove the head on these, would that not have been easier than all those procedures, can't wait to see the engine break down and repair it will remind me of when I did these breakdowns and repairs for fun back in the day. I had a 1939 TA.
A tear down on the TC is definitely something I would watch! Boiling hot vinegar unstuck my dishwasher pump!
I've used vinegar to derust a lot of things. I would not put it in a cylinder. The vinegar is going to turn the rust into some black crud. Not sure who told you that advice. People have run water vapor through them though to clean them out while running. I would of myself sprayed a penetrating oil like PB Blaster in each cylinder to unstick them, and let the piston rings take care of the rust. Then later on run some water vapor through while running or SeaFoam if you aren't down with water vapor.
Steve, I wouldn’t give up on trying to free the stuck pistons. I would try filling the cylinders with a high quality penetrating oil and give it plenty of time. In a month or two you may find that you can tap the pistons loose after removing the head. I think there’s still hope that the engine can be freed up and made to run without a full tear-down and rebuild.
Good video. Yes I would like to see you rebuild the engine. You make it look super easy.
You can get 10% white vinegar too.
Neutralize with alkaline sodium bicarbonate
Cheap for metal neutralization on tiyr old Honda etc.
Helps with tanks and carbs.
Don't leave too long
Keep checking..
I would like to see the tare down of the engine. Try to add some salt to the vinegar, it enhances the process. You could also add baking soda. I didn't have science in high school, but the combination of vinegar and bicarb has certain properties that help to release certain contaminants.
i'm always up for watching someone else work hard at getting an old engine unstuck. :)
Molasses works great on rust
Keep at it! Beautiful model!
I would like to see you strip it down - it is not a complex engine so should be fun. I am 74 years old and used to live in Abingdon on Thames where these cars were built so maybe when I lived there. Great series by the way.
This is really interesting as you’ve used methods I’ve not seen before
It really does seem as though it’s nearly there
Great content cant wait for the next one
Too bad the vinegar did not free the engine. Good try and interesting how much it did clean the pistons up. Tear down in order, hope it is not too rusted inside maybe have to sleeve it if possible.
II'm of the opinion that vinegar does not work on rust and that it can attack the base metal. The best product I have found for removing rust from steel is Bilt Hamber Deox C. It's made in the UK; I'm not sure if its available in the US but it is very effective and economical to use as it comes in powder form and is disolved in water 1 part to 19. It works at room temp or faster at elevated tempuratures. It is supposed not to attack the base metal and it seems not to but I would not fill an engine up with it! I suspect it works like Evapo-rust but not as expensive per litre. Good luck with this project.
I believe that the active ingredient in most commercial rust removers is phosphoric acid.
great stuff thanks
Molasses and water mixed 10:1 dissolves rust really well
Yes it would be great to see the tear down and find out what was locked up on it. Even better a rebuild with some speed enhancements
Not to sound too weird fan-boy, but I love watching engine tear downs and rebuilds.
Citric acid also does a good job of rust removing. It's cheap and one can buy it as powder and dissolve that in water.
you can buy 30 or 40% vinegar which is 6-8x stronger than household vinegar may work better/quicker
Nice ride
You don't even need to ask - of course we all want to see this engine running!
Something that works with rusty vast iron pots is TEA. Yes< crazy enough. Try cleaning with a used tea bag and not only cleans the rust, it does not flash rust again. Not sure how actual liquid tea would work though
👍for an engine rebuild . Just seen my brother’s TD rebuilt by an expert smoke a lot! I would like your take on oil consumption and valve and crank seals
Would love to see an engine tear down and rebuild!
I've had pretty good luck using Kroil and heat freeing up stuck motorcycle engines. Along with a big breaker bar on the front crank nut. It's likely that the rings will be stuck though. Probably needs to come apart.
I would enjoy seeing the engine tear down and rebuild.
would definitely like to see engine tear down and rebuild!
good video, i have used vinegar to clean and remove rust. It also helps if you get leg cramps. Just rub some on. One note on the locked up engine, could it be that the valve train, cam shaft etc is rusted up and locking up the engine? Please continue with the tear down.
Try adding salt to the vinegar.....it helps promote the anadizer....l have been using this method for well over 20yrs
Actually you should mix in a high concentration of salt / vinegar to make best organic anti rust solution for overnight results. But why didn’t you just tow?
Let’s see the tear down Steve!!! Pleeeez!
Great video
Vinegar is effective against rust, for derusting parts citric acid works just as well and is the safest choice of all.
Soak the cylinders with brake fluid. Takes time but it's always worked for me
Another vote for the teardown video.
TC rebuild: sure!
Engine tear down: Yes please!
I think I speak for most of us. We definitely want to see the teardown.
might try cleaning vinegar next time. it is 10 % so double the strength, half the time.
I would love to have an MG TC. I would like to see you get this TC running again.
5%-vinegar? I used 12% on rust and stuff worked great.
Steve . We'd allclike see a tear down . And how did you get a RHD car when so many were exported to N.America in LHD ! It looks in fantastic condition ! Cheers !
Yes! 😊
I like to know where you find all these cars. I love MGB's no expert with them at all. Had 4 of them over the years, but always wonder where you find the cars you have gotten. Where do you find a old MG like that sitting for 40 years. Fine me one. LOL
Yes let's seethe engine done
Because of the cost of rebuilding a TC engine it would certainly be worth the effort to remove the head and free the pistons with a round wood dowel just smaller in diameter that the piston and a few good taps.
I've rocked some rusted clutches free before, but I sense the torque imparted by rocking the car is pretty mild. What if you put it on a lift, disconnected the drive shaft so you could attach a 6-foot metal fence post to the end of the drive shaft and put some real torque on it? Seems like the worst that could happen is to snap some disintegrating piston rings.
Did you finish the 1952 MGTD engine that was stuck? does your TC have the same XPAG 1250? I never saw the completion video of that engine.
You must be talking about this car: czcams.com/video/fHE2R2P_eZ4/video.html
I'd love to see an engine rebuild.
I would be very interested in seeing the engine come apart.
You could try a 50/50 mix of diesel fuel and weapons oil. Let is sit for some days , and try another push . ( but after what I see in your borescope pictures , I think you have to pull the engine , really . )
Before tearing the engine apart I would attach a tow strap to the chassis and try gently pulling the car with another vehicle in say 2nd gear. There cant be much holding it now.
I did push the car and then release the clutch but it spun the clutch instead of turning the engine.
"Drain all the oil out of the cylinders before I add the vinegar." What are you talking about? That's how you get delicious 30 weight Vinaigrette!
Have you tried Endrust ?
2 minutes in and I need to go to the toilet already
I think Cider Vinegar is stronger ( i have both ) maybe it would work better????
9:32 the engine was actually turning. Look at the wheel nuts between 9:32 and 9:40
Acetic acid and aluminium?
I think you should tear the TC engine down and rebuild it, Steve
Yes that car is cool Peace out
Tear into it.
Tare it down. Would like to see that
2 weeks for vinegar
Teardown👍