Asmongold and Ghostcrawler Debate His Upcoming MMO
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00:00:00 Intro
00:00:31 Ghostcrawler's Journey Making "Ghost"
00:03:38 How does AI Affect the Game Industry
00:07:03 Being Open During Development
00:09:56 Ad Read 1
00:11:41 What Games have Influenced Ghost
00:14:19 Strategies and Ideas for "Ghost"
00:18:47 Needing Other Players to do In-Game Content
00:24:02 Territory Control
00:26:22 Every MMO Wants to be WoW
00:28:21 Monetization in Games
00:31:26 "The Grind"
00:33:49 How Do You Deal with Cheating?
00:36:07 Studios Chagning Their Ways
00:42:12 Ad Read 2
00:43:45 Did Ghostcrawler Learn Anything from Working on League?
00:46:23 Balancing Combat and Camera Angles
00:50:07 Cross Platform Compatibility/ Game Expectations
00:55:43 Survival Elements in Games
00:58:33 Variability in "Ghost"
01:00:24 Tectone Chimes in
01:00:34 Variability (Cont.) and Guild Housing
01:03:14 Grinding in MMO's and FOMO
01:06:45 Content Creators Impact on Game Development
01:08:16 Ad Read 3
01:08:54 Metas and Gear Treadmills
01:15:45 Branching Storylines
01:18:33 Tectone Asks a Question
01:21:15 Episode Wrap-Up - Zábava
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Games that the characters play inside the game enriches the experience. Put chess boards into the game.
I liked this.
Automatic downvote because nmplol still isn't fucking on.
@@mafrank make your own phoqin channel you aint the boss here (unless you’re kidding in which case lol)
@@sketchtherapy1218 Asmon ain't going to fuck you dude.
You know how hard it was to not talk this whole ep?
we're proud of you 😂
I’m watching you not talk and it looks like you’re using all your willpower xdd
MEGALUL
Thank you
I enjoyed listening to you say “Mhm” 100 times 👌
So nice of Asmon to let Emiru and Tectone sit in on this interview. Not sure why this was a Steak and Eggs episode, seems all Steak and no Eggs
More of a Surf n Turf you might say
He didn't even leave an opening for Emiru or Tectone to step in, not even a single second.
Feels more like Allcraft
@@Z3ROROh no, the MMO expert didn't let the gacha game master or the LoL player to give their insight!? Blasphemy
This should be a stream interview
Crazy how realistic those wax statues of Teccy and Emi were it almost looked like they could move!
True but I'm glad it's a 1v1. There's a reason interviews are done this way.
AI, not wax. ;)
ngl, at one point i thought the Video froze and only the audio was playing when the camerea was on Tectone
Hologram technology got a lot better since AI
@@skaelsthere’s also a reason podcasts have multiple people: they all contribute something.. or are at least given the opportunity to do so 😅
Teccy looks like he is fighting demons this whole episode. Mad respect for him being able to keep it to "Mm"s and "Yep"s.
Watching Tectone in Church squirming 🤣
Great interview, Asmon. Those life-size figurines of Tec and Emi also really helped set the backdrop.
I appreciate the editors providing focus shots of tec and emi to show they were in attendance.
Tectone just intensely listening and taking mental notes like theres gonna be a test after 🤣
Tectone was my spirit animal this episode. I've been to many meetings at my job where i just sit there and nod my head the whole time
getting paid for existing sounds nice
Actual Ghostcrawler, nice. Hope everyone has a nice weekend.
meh, Ghostcrawlers the dude who took over and plummeted WoW from Cata onwards. He has so many bad takes on MMOs, especially ones regarding microtransactions. Brilliant guy and an accomplished dev no doubt, but he should stay away from MMOs.
@@PherPhuryou haven’t even watched the video… at least hear what he has to say before calling his takes bad
@@MannoftheMist I've heard his takes for years and I'm like a third of the way through the video. I can tell you things aren't much different. He keeps talking about gear progression as this end all be all of an MMO. Sure, lets put some laser focus on gear progression and that'll make the MMO great, it has nothing to do with the depth of systems(what made wow so big in 2004), or previous games carrying the name(FF14) and the game.
From a technical standpoint if you want an MMO to be successful this day in age, you need to innovate out the ass in a positive direction. Listen to Steven Sharif from Intrepid Studios, this guy runs circles around Ghostcrawler and he's never dev'd before in his life.
But hey, he's funded with that unlimited budget Chinese money and has RIOTs platform to stand on, it'll probably retain enough players and have one hell of a launch spike, so expect to see a box cost. Don't expect anything particularly successful though in terms of a real great MMO.
you too fat guy, you too.
Asmon 100% best interviewer
it's been 30 min, I just realized this is a podcast with more than 2 people
Hearing Ghostcrawler speak so on the point with each topic Asmon brings up was actually cathartic for how jaded I've become about games and their general direction over the years.
he's telling us sweet sweet words just like todd howard and sean murray
He was a piece of shit at Blizzard and Riot who constantly insulted the player base.😊
damn straight Asmon asked a lot of great questions but I didn’t hear a single solid answer, just fluff.
Asmon should do these interviews on his channel. We want the crew talking to each other in these podcasts. I never thought I'd say that I wanted Tectone to talk more...
badass
Why should he? I'm sure Emi and Tec appreciated being a part of a conversation between 2 industry experts, there is a substantial amount one can gain from listening instead of speaking. Besides being able to put the spotlight on a guest is what this podcast has done for every single other guest.
@@MrBones-td6qn it is different when they have a guest there in person or if they also have something to contribute to the conversation but this was basically one on one interview with 2 people as studio audience.
Have to agree on this one. This interview has no business on this podcast. It's all about the 3 or at least 2 of them interacting. They could talk about the properties of a dog turd or their degen lifestyles, but at least they are interacting .
@@MrBones-td6qnnah I love Asmon and all but I watch these podcasts to hear everyone's opinions and input, guest or not.
Oh cool Asmon's interview. Where podcast tho?
the fucking youtube timeline " Tectone asks a question " 🤣
hahaha
Yeah that was funny af😂
Asmon just made the classic boss move of making a reunion of what it could have been an e-mail.
I don’t think it wouldn’t be bad for these types of episodes to just have one interviewer, it feels uncomfortable seeing those two just filling space.
This was a good interview and all, it just felt like it could have just been on Asmon's Channel. Hope next week you guys can all participate. You guys are awesome!
Who cares
It would have been an allcraft episode except...
I agree
@@zachmcbride4481 I care
Could have*
Y'all really need to start introducing the guest in the beginning of the episodes
Asmon asking amazing questions.
30 minutes in, is Emi or Tectone gonna say something :P?
TBF this is Asmons element
nope, never.
They don't need to say anything when 2 industry experts are providing invaluable feedback and insight into the industry. It's a privilege to see 2 educated and experienced minds exchange information and ideas back and forth.
@@MrBones-td6qn i don't disagree at all, its just kind of awkward them sitting there.
@@antonodsgaard6548yeah but it really doesn’t matter
@@dox.K it is a 3 man show, and i think its at its best when they all give a little input.
What a weird podcast. I feel like this should've been saved for a 1 on 1 interview video.
Obviously they prefer to allocate the interest to this channel instead. There's no allcraft anymore where something like this would normally live.
What the fuck does that even mean?@@sbsftw4232
Yeah but on the other hand this seems agreed upon. The podcast was on rails from the get go
Well.. yeah duh? @@djohnsveress6616
no allcraft, this will do it
This was a bit of a miss as a podcast. As many others have already mentioned, this should've just been a one on one interview between Asmon and Ghostcrawler. It's odd to just have your co-hosts sit silently for the majority of the video. Like Emiru and Tectone speaks more in the advertisements than during the actual podcast.
I enjoyed this episode, but you're absolutely right.
agreed, i pulled up this episode on spotify, listened for 3 minutes & started wondering why it sounded like an interview, came here and noticed im not the only one. Yeah this should have been an Asmongold video, especially since his main is larger than this podcast
I don't know who he is so I'm clearly not the target audience for this episode but think people like him would work better on a 1 on 1 interview on asmon's stream for example. Not a 4 person podcast where others have zero input, something to consider for future episodes :). Can't wait for next weeks episode
Yeah steak and eggs didn't seem to be the right format for a one on one interview like this
Having the guest call in also I think made it not flow quite as well
I thought so too. Would really like to see Asmon do more interviews like this one.
@@smallfryskilledge1550yup I agree on that one
I agree with everything said by all above me
This entire episode is insane. I'm sad Emi didnt talke more about her perspective from league experience, it checks out. Hearing Asmon sit down and talk to Ghostcrawler is just nuts though. I hope I get to see it again one day.
Also Tectone's fit looked sooooo good in that backdrop for this episode. Boy's in his best shape and it shows.
I dont think the other 2 even prepared questions and it really showed. They had nothing to say and can only learn from it.
feel like this should have been an asmongold video between ghost crawler and asmon. not a steak and eggs experience
audio was criminal this podcast
I look forward to this show all week. Thank you for getting back together for the new year. I listen start to end since the first show!
Cool episode XD
I am sure he will have more meetings and brainstorming about some of the questions Asmon brought up because those were great questions concerning game design. I wished that Tectone or especially Emi, because she has the least experience with mmo's, asked more about the game and vision of the game from the perspective of someone not so experienced in mmo's. Cool and informative conversation all in all :D
Awesome discussion, always cool to hear Greg's philosophy.
Holy asmon interview. i hope game devs take notice of a vet dropping hard hitting questions. glad emmi and tectone let asmon go deep dive even tho they felt slightly left out, it was a great "episode" (interview)
Slightly?? 😂
Let’s be honest they didn’t shit to add to the conversation
I love the progress bar at the bottom of the ads. It helps me know how many more times I need to click the right arrow before I can get back to the podcast.
I feel like Ghostcrawler is going to offer a job to Asmon after this interview
I'm glad Asmon is doing publishing. Been saying for years he would be the best advisor to an MMO dev studio
@@skaelsjust because he played it much doesnt mean he is an expert on it. He mostly has a player perspective. Not so much a distributor. He hires people to do that for him.
@@OggiOggiOggi That's how plenty of people got involved in game dev.. That's Jeff Kaplan started at Blizzard because he had a lot of ideas about EQ after playing it a bunch. Same with Ion.
"A little more mature than the World of Warcraft look." Finally, someone who actually worked on the product says it.
Not news to anyone. It's literally a cartoon with fox people
Lol the sponsor ads is brilliant done. Never thought I would see Asmon do that. Keep it up
I legitimately laughed at the fact emiru and tectone kept up the bit to not talk or ask any questions the majority of the episode.
Asmon is so good at interviewing other ppl. Also shout out to the audio &camera ppl 👏
Wow asmon let some viewers get a live sit down to his interview with ghostcrawler, such a nice guy
I am amazed that no 1 ever mentioned gw2 for open world activities exemple
Probably because Asmon has some weird attitude against gw2. He won't even try it for some reason.
I really digging this podcast. Keep up the good work. Great question choices during the interview!
This will give them a lot of pull in getting bigger names on the podcast. This is the gateway. Love to see it.
I'm like 16 minutes in but it's really impressive how good of an interviewer Asmon is. Sometimes you forget that when you see him arguing with his chat.
Emi's *300 Confirmed Kills* are unrelated to the game btw.
I can't believe two people who do this as their job knew they would have a CEO/Developer on their show and didn't prepare a line of topics, nor even a single question to come into work with.
Ghostcrawler...man what a legend. This guy had done more for gaming and been in the industry longer than almost anyone else.
Emiru chilling heavy
Wow! It isn't easy being an interviewer and Asmon knocks it out of the park. I wonder how many questions he just thought of on the fly. He creates a context, provides an example, and then asks the question. Ghostcrawler really did a good job answering questions too. I'm really impressed with this episode.
eh, i think he jumped around way too quickly. In addition to completely boxing out his co-hosts, he really should have given ghost more space to expand on some details with some follow-up questions. To be honest, it felt like he was barely listening and just eagerly waiting to ask his next question. Barely any engagement with what is probably their most famous and most esteemed guest. I was shocked.
Props to the audio editor, looks like there must have been a lot of work done there.
He couldn't be bothered to try 😂
Been following since the announcement and just realized the connection between "Ghost" and "Ghostcrawler".
I feel like this episode should of been a separate interview video , first episode I didn’t wanna watch even after skipping around
Dang, that was straight up just a good interview.
Fridays are always a good day because of you guys
this is peak timing for this interview
Wow this episode really showed how good of an interviewer/host asmon is. Seems like there was a lot of thought put into this beforehand. Great episode as always.
It's really not a surprise... he hosts people on his stream all the time
He thought about everything save the fact Tectone and Emiru had nothing to do there lmao.
I love hearing asmon talking and the questions were amazingly selected but I wanted to see Emi and Tec participating too and have their takes on the subject. Maybe there's a time limitation but after an hour I felt that the AFK members could interact more.
Yeah they don't really know much about these stuff like asmon or have his talking skills when it comes to mmos , asmon already mastered this shit bro 😂 he's been doing videos/streaming about mmos for years
amazing interview need more of these
God i love these ad breaks so simple yet so good
We need a shirt with Asmons face on it that just says “For example in Elden Ring…” lmao no hate but goddamn that’s his go to for almost everything
It's always souls, warcraft, and very few others.
it IS a good game and a solid reference point
@@arious1644 I won’t disagree at all, but I watch a lot of asmons stuff and that catch phrase is in like 90% of the reacts he does on game design and stuff. A little reference variety wouldn’t hurt, not everything has to be compared to Elden Ring lmao
@@Corndwag yeah for sure lol. You right.
@@Corndwag well, we have to get greater game with greater combat-exploring loop first then. Its just like Lord of the Rings in cinema, something just have no match for given time. And untill then we should compare things to the greatest.
10:00 that costume just fits.
yeahhh it hides how skinny he is so he actually looks good
This is a really good interview. Nice of Emiru and Tectone to show up.
"FOMO is a good tool" Man just ensured I never touch anything he's involved with.
I also feel bad for Tectone, he genuinely looks like he had questions and wanted to add to the conversation but just got completely overshadowed.
This is the greatest steak and eggs with ghostcrawler episode of all time
I never thought I'd experience what Asmongold doing a live concert would be, but here I am, listening to the first 10 seconds
Agree with almost everything Ghostcrawler says here, except for the part at 1:11:10 where they'd rather "let the community figure out the meta" and not do frequent patches. In MMORPG's metas aren't the same as metas in RTS for example where SC BW still has meta shifts 20 years later without a single update. Metas in MMORPG's are entirely number based, if something is bad, it's always bad because of numbers, there is no community fixing bad numbers. MMORPG PvE metas are just what is the easiest and most effective strategy based on again, NUMBERS. These things are figured out almost instantly.
Always a treat to see Teccy kill it with the Ads... The only Ads I'll watch.
Was a good episode for the MMO boys. The audio issues were really bad though.
I thought Ghostcrawler was a Danny Devito PNG
That was an amazing episode, I enjoyed that a lot.
Nice video and this podcast series is so cool :]
Emi dropping the revolver was actually hilarious
300 confirmed kills 🤣
Man that one could have really been a asmon solo video or a special on top of a regular episode
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought the guy in the middle was Danny Devito for like 10 seconds.
insightful and great Episode, as a solo indie dev i learn so much by both legends
I love how behave tectone and Emi, i can understand 😂
I'm a huge fan of Asmon and genuinely enjoy listening to his insights on video games for hours on end (which I often do tbh). However, I come to this podcast to get me some eggs as well, not just the steak. I'm not trying to be toxic or anything, just giving my honest feedback here. Keep up the good work guys!
Definitely my favourite podcast but not a fan of this episode. We really need more eggs guys. Hopefully next week you're back to talking about random stuff together 🙂
🎉🎉🎉🎉that friday feeling just HIT. THANK YOU STEAK AND EGGS
I thought Tectone was going to ask “What kind of Gacha System are you going to implement?” 😂😂
This was tectone's best episode.
This is an interview not a podcast.
im not sure if you know what podcast means
@@trythis2006 when two hosts are there adding nothing to the conversation it becomes clear that this should have been a one on one interview.
and a podcast cant be a interview? i think you misunderstand what a podcast is@@phorqs
So this is a cool interview that Zackrawr did with Ghostcrawler. But uhh... when is the Steak and Eggs episode coming out with the whole crew?
Also, I like the wax statues that you had of Emi and Teccy by the way lol
Turning Colossa into Shoonossa was peak group combat taking territory. Shadowbane had awesome mechanics to call out in the giant sieges. Talk about satisfying!
Not surprised that Asmon is the one mostly engaging Ghost I’m guessing of the 3 he’s probably the one to think more deeply about games and what makes them tick beyond the surface level fun factor.
Don't know why but this comment seems disrespectful to Tec n Emi 😅
@@Keyshawn13 Certainly not my intention.
Hey it’s ghostcrawler!! Nice to hear from you and thanks for giving me such fond memories of Wrath back in the day. Sorry for flaming you online when I was 15. I swear I’m better now
I feel like a good way to do legendary drops is to have a lot of different drops that are relatively equal in power, but all of them are very low drop rate and there be a system in place that players cant see we could call destined drops, where everyone has randomized drops that they will get very easily, so you end up doing what a lot of one player games do, or co op games like borderlands for example, where when you get to end game, you realize that certain weapons you got while playing are wildly different and unique to everything else you have, so then you naturally realize that there is a special category of weapons that you've only scratched the surface on accidentally so far, and as a decent player who wasnt following a guide, you were still able to reach the power needed to win, but now your reaching for even greater power, and maybe now you look up that category of drops for you to chase... continuing to use borderlands 3 as an example, i got a shotgun that specifically used melee damage, and i had already purposely built around that due to how well it qorked with the class i had chosen, and i had a few other special guns but they weren't as good for me, so i did a respec and went all in and made a really good build, and when i looked up other special weapons i saw someones build for that gun, which was close to mine but not exactly, and i started collecting the other guns but already really enjoyed the loop i had created, so i was just getting them because it was cool, but i didnt feel like i had to look up and grind some meta weapon in order to enjoy the game in order to feel powerful in the game... the problem i forsee with this in an mmo is how many different crazy builds you would need to purposely create the variety necessary to make it as cool as this situation feels in borderlands or elden ring, cuz other wise you just another special name before class, like "burning ice paladin" or something like that... i dont remember what they called the borderlands example... but if there is enough of those options, so there is a low chance of having copies of yourself in your party. I understand this is a hard standard to reach in an mmo where everyone is min-maxing, but it would greatly increase replay value and even the diversity of options for a single play through... making so many good options that the casual can stumble apon an awesome build is what most multiplayer games miss.
Man, Ghostcrawler's screen's been frozen for most of the stream, so I keep looking at Tectone. I feel like Tectone knows everyone's looking at him and he feels uncomfortable.
The Crab Specialist himself, let's hope the boys at OTK could learn a thing or two about business within his realm 😂😂😂
damn thats too bad i guess ill be back next week i prefer the shooting the shit style podcast to a video game interview tbh.
What is the name of the mic stands you guys are using?
39:18 Tectone beard ASMR
Thanks you for letting asmon and ghostcrawler have this talk uninterrupted. It is beyond amazing.
5:56 does it need PVP, wouldn't it make for an insane MMO if one just ignored PVP didn't make it part of the game and just focused heavily on good end game content for groups and solos and made an engaging and fun early game and since they wouldn't be doing work on PVP they would have more time to make the PVE Great
That's fucking dumb, pvp is what drives players to play the game when they have done all the content out there like bosses, quests and dungeons. You see, pvp can be different every time you play it, there was MMO's on the past that heavily focused on pvp and player driven content and were very successful at their time like Dark age of camelot, darkfall online, ultima online and even today with mortal online 2 and albion online.
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On the topic of FOMO, every time I came back to WoW and saw some cool thing, asked how to get it, and the answer was "you can't anymore." I just uninstalled. What a miserable feeling it is to see something cool in a game and know you'll never get it for no reason beyond "you weren't there."
Ikr it's so stupid
teccys ability to stay quiet was LEGENDARY blud looked like he was finna explode 😂😂🎉
Damn, Emi had some really good takes on this episode. Very insightful.
Yeah and like the part when she said
First time Teccy and Emi get a higher dollar per word ratio than Asmond
Amazing questions. This should be like a template for any MMO developer. I would add: what's your opinion about guides where in some cases (like GW2) developers give all the new content info for contributors to prepare the wiki (WTF!?!?!) even before the content releases.
Asmon is so much better and smarter than what his haters think he's. Its actually insane
Mic quality 💀
It was for 10 seconds 💀
@@Gamerexpert3399No, it’s not. I’ve just clicked at further segment into the video it’s still bad.
10 seconds it was bad arter that it was ehh... but not worth complaining about.
at 41:50 I think Greg was referring to Wildstar. RIP
20:55 "play Baldin' [Ring]" 😂got'eeem!
Good one, Greg!