An Extremely Late Review of Hazbin Hotel
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- 0:00 - Recap
0:45 - TL;DR Version
2:33 - Lucifer and the Pilot
6:01 - Episodes 1+2
7:04 - Episodes 3+4
12:24 - Episodes 5+6
15:12 - Episodes 7+8
17:02 - Song Tier List
22:14 - The Part You Were All Waiting For
33:22 - Understandable Flaws
34:20 - Conclusion - Zábava
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Haha 3am upload go brrr
Edit: A few people have pointed out that Lilith is never "explicitly stated" as being stronger than Lucifer. The opening scene only says that she "thrived" when Lucifer didn't. That's on me.
2nd Edit: Before I get any more comments about the Vees, yes, I know that they're going to play a bigger role in season 2. But that's not a valid reason to waste so much of this season's limited time giving screen time to Vox and Velvette just to "set them up" for later. I mean, they're setting up Lilith for later, but they didn't give _her_ tons of screen time, right?
Good thing I don't have a sleep schedule 😅
21 minutes ago is crazy
11am where I live
Good thing to wake up to
At least I wasn't sick and dying this time
I'm really happy you're back. I genuinely love your review/sins videos and they've been a mainstay for me within this fandom for quite some time now. Hell, your videos are even what inspired me to buckle down and make a couple of my own Helluva Boss videos.
Obviously, do what's best for you, but just know that there are people out there who love your current content :D
Ngl, the battle for the hotel at the end of season 1 feels like if weirdmageddon was the end of season 1 for gravity falls
LOL that's such a good description of how that finale felt!
It's not just Hazbin Hotel. There's other cartoons that now have 8 episodes instead of the usual 13 for some reason.
Its amazon contract. They limit the number of episode
It also highlights an issue with Hazbin Hotel when Invincible was able to set up its large cast of characters, world, and story all in 8 episodes. It is possible to have a good story, but you need a really good writer to plan it out
I'm not saying this as any excuse, I literally hate viv/HH/HB, but I am aware of the terrible production that went behind it during 4 years and half of it was because of the writers strike last year not playing into favor. With that disclaimer said,
It was originally going to be 12 episodes which got cut into the 8 and spliced off into season 2.
@Cyburim let's only hope Season 2 will be better.
@@Cyburim Why do you hate Viv?
Rest in peace to your Grandfather [*]
Thank you
I concur
I think for all the ideas it has, it needed at least 12 episodes for the first season. The execution of the ideas was slightly rushed, causing it to seem hollow. But in any case, I'm excited for season 2, as hopefully they'll have more tools for their material.
Why weren't the V's the main villains of Season 1??
That way we could've pushed all that Heaven War and Lucifer Family Drama for (a) later season(s) and focused more on the "core premise of the show" as Sarcastic Chorus put it...
@capt.artemislivius7601 Good point. It would've cleaned up the show a bit and helped with lore and suspense too.
@@user-rh2ot6ix8d
I honestly thought _that_ was what they were going for given how the Hotel (redemption or no) poses a threat to their Sin Business, but no...
Also, Pilot Vaggie and Pilot Lucifer were much better characters.
@@capt.artemislivius7601 True, Vaggie has really just been watered down to "grr, no touch mi gf." And Lucifer was actually and intimidating character in the pilot, and now apparently he has Autism? I am nuerodivergent myself, but I find the Autism a bit unnecessary.
It was supposed to be 22 episodes
The beef with Alastair and Lucifer, I think stems from Alastair’s ego.
We see it in episodes 2 when box calls him out he he chimes on on the song.
And in the other it’s when Lucifer doesn’t know who Alastair is, that he tries to put one over on the king of hell.
Ya know it takes a impressive amount of petty to adopt someone as revenge
Alastor
Alastair and box?
This is probably the most controversial show I’ve seen in a while but despite it’s flaws I like this show and their characters almost everyone is amazing 8/10
No
@@WeebGuru6 ok
Damn, you need to watch better shite. Your bar is very low I'm talking She-Hulk low. I'm a little scared for you to watch a show with Good Writing Smiling Friends or Bojack Horseman your brain might explode.
@@Infamous1892can everyone enjoy something without getting called a person with low standard🙄.
I love hazbin hotel but also smiling friends and bojack horseman.
To clear up what was going on with Alastor and Lucifer. Alastor is kind of insecure around other powerful people, at least those he can't control. You can see this when he's nervous around Zestial, and when he tries prompting the other overlords to show interest in his endeavors and fails. He also has a history of just straight up destroying the powerful people who give him pushback, like he threatens to do with Husk. Alastor can't fight Lucifer so his way of controlling him (or trying to at least) is to just get under his skin. He also needed to convince Charlie that Lucifer wasn't needed at the hotel so Lucifer could leave and he could make that deal with Charlie, which he would have had a hard time doing with Lucifer around.
13:42 Feeling trapped in that cycle like a spectator watching another week go by, going "What did I do with my time, what's wrong with me, why am I like this?!?". Like you've somehow fallen 'behind' (as though everything is a task/homework) and rarely feel present. Going through the motions quite numb, out of touch with emotions. Wishing that time would stop so you could catch up or even wish that people didn't know you exist so you could stop disappointing them because operating on their level feels impossibly out of reach like your brain is broken/malformed...
Damnm i feel this, what's the name of that
@@pedroian5964 Idk, assuming it also falls under *Depression* (what R.G.C. touched on around time-stamp) but haven't heard anyone talk about wishing people didn't know you exist.
I haven't been diagnosed so for all I know it could be ADHD causing executive function issues (the part that gets you to act on starting tasks) and being overwhelmed by that over time led to depression.
This pain is incredibly relatable for me.
Even as a mega Hazbin Fan, (who thinks its much much better then Helluva) I agree with most of what you said. Its rushed. There are a lot of things they could've done to make it better. There's no aruging that. unfortunately that's not entirely the crew's fault. They were only given 8 episodes to tell a story they expected to have much longer to tell. So they had to cram everything. It's sad to see how fucked over they got by the 8 episode limit. You could still aruge over what they chose to keep and what to cut, and how they handle this crammed runtime though and that's vaild.
Secondly, tbh it seems like the Vees (OUTSIDE VALENTINO) were only present in S1 to set them up for S2. I don't think there's many other reason for their overabundance then that. Viv has actually stated that the Vees will be the MAIN villains in season 2. However, again, you can make the valid argument that outside of Val, you could make the other two looming threats in the distance to save for S2 where they are at full force instead of bloating limited runtime with them. Maybe something similar with the Lilith cliffhanger.
Third, Viv has also said that we are finding out why the characters were sent to hell in S2. However, you can make the point that this should've been explored in S1 instead.
Overall, great video.
The entire section with Lucifer made no sense to me.
Lucifer did not have a character in the pilot. He didn't have any buildup of anything of the sort. He had no goals or personality traits set in stone,only vague implications to build upon. While it's easy to say Lucifer appearing when Charlie asks "Why have I always been a failure?" is implying that Lucifer said Charlie was a failure, you can also make the interpretation that Lucifer said her idea would fail or that she'd just be disappointed, which is actually something he says in the official show.
Nothing was "changed" because there was nothing to change.
Also, saying "Lilith was explicitly stated to be stronger than Lucifer" is wild to me.
Lucifer only "lost his will while Lilith thrived." Lucifer not wanting to do anything doesn't mean he *can't* do anything. And Lilith thriving doesn't mean she somehow became more powerful. She just continued to work while Lucifer didn't. I genuinely don't know how you could take "Lucifer lost his will to dream" so incredibly literally.
Okay, you're right about how the show doesn't "explicitly state" that Lilith is stronger than Lucifer I'm still willing to bet money that Lilith would beat Lucifer in a fight against him (which seems unlikely to happen, but they ARE setting her up as the season 2 villain), but I was wrong when I said that the show was explicit about it.
However, you will never convince me that Viv didn't change Lucifer.
@@RandomGameCritic I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think the idea of Charlie internalizing Lucifer's dismissal of her Ideas because of his disdain for sinners was a new concept and the more likely outcome of Lucifer genuinely thinking Charlie was a failure was the original point.
I just think that from the Pilot, people over bloated what Lucifer's "character" was and expected something that was never actually confirmed.
I think the main problem is Vivziepop not establishing the pilot as canon or not canon. Because to some people Episode one takes place after the pilot, but in both the Pilot and Episode one, the extermination *just happened.* But instead of treating Episode one like a soft reboot, they treat the pilot like soft-canon, with some correct information and some incorrect information/unconfirmed information, which is the incorrect choice imo.
@@SpagettiSpeltWrongThe reason Viv gave for doing this was that she didn't want to spend the entirety of one of the very limited eight episodes she had basically reiterating the events of the pilot because that would only allow for seven episodes of actually new story stuff. Makes me wonder if the season was longer if that would have been in the cards.
@@aedrarising2760 I guess that's understandable? But why sacrifice confusing any new views of the show just for the sake of creating an original story, especially when there are so few things that actually take from the pilot directly. Establishing the pilot as canon is fine since it is free on CZcams and anyone can just go watch it, but making it soft/half canon just ends up confusing everyone because now nobody really knows what from the pilot is canon, what was changed, and what hasn't been established. Vivziepop had two options and somehow made a third option that's worse that both of them
@@SpagettiSpeltWrong I'll say this, my first experience with Vivziepop's work was Hazbin Hotel, specifically the show on Amazon. I did not watch the pilot until a month or so after the finale. And during the series, I didn't really get confused at all. The characters were introduced pretty naturally and I was able to get the main gist of everyone almost immediately. The pilot ended up being pretty good and I'd still recommend people to start the series with it but that's just because it feels more like a proper beginning and less because it's actually necessary to understand what's going on.
From everything I've watched the pilot is like 95% canon with the only things that changed being minor background details. The major events that make up the main story of it ocurred basically as is. Angel and Cherri vs Sir Pentious, the Charlie-Katie Killjoy interview, and Alastor's arrival aren't contradicted, they're actually supported as having happened in the show itself. I think you're vastly overthinking this.
Finally someone that is actually obsessed with Velvette singing "GUNS", i think is just so... i cant really explain, just sounds so good!
I like the backbone of the Vees line more
The King is back! Seriously man good job getting passed all the crap and bouncing back strong
To be honest, I think the show was just fine however it left me disappointed and hollow I’m still looking forward for season 2 but I don’t think it wasn’t worth the wait to be honest
For me it was DEFINITELY worth the wait but I respect your opinion.
@@iKeepSpongesAsPets Thanks I appreciate
I'm honestly waiting to see Lilith appear more in Hazbin season 2.
the king has returned
Holy shit that "Homer!" killed me, lol. Btw, should be noted, Viv has stated on Twitter that the pilot is still canon. I also don't understand the take that Lucifer plays second fiddle to Lilith or that he's less powerful, nowhere is it explicitly stated that she's more powerful just that she thrived more in the environment. To me it seemed to be stating this from an emotional/mental standpoint, not a physical/political standpoint. Though I guess I kinda see how it can be interpreted the other way around, if Charlie hadn't just been talking about her Father's fall into depression and disillusionment according to the story. And the fact that you said it was stated outright when really it wasn't. That being said, it does in fact seem like Lucifer changed quite a bit from the pilot, and I do think that makes it weird to fully include the pilot as a canon episode, but pilots are weird like that in general. Pilots are meant to be the sell for the show, the premise, etc. It makes sense stuff will change between the pilot and final product. Doesn't mean it can't still be technically canon I suppose, but yeah I can see a new fan being a little confused there.
I think a review is perfectly valid to mix objective and subjective feelings, as long as you present the final statement in both forms and make it clear about it being what it is, a mix of objective and subjective feelings. I think it's important to be honest and openly share one's subjective opinions in a review. So you know, whether others criticize or disagree with you, never feel too ashamed to have your 2 cents in addition to what you think is objectively right also. Lucifer and Alastor's beef actually does ramp a bit, it's a subtle thing with their interactions that slowly becomes obvious, but also later in the episode Lucifer expresses his disdain for sinners as a whole (I mean he did allow Adam and them to come down and exterminate sinners exclusively). But Lucifer not knowing who Alastor is (his clear ego he's displayed, especially his reaction to nobody caring where he went in episode 3), as well as Lucifer insulting his idea for the Hotel's name being his, etc. There's also the fan theory Al's deal is with Lilith and his first exposure to info about Lucifer was from her, but of course that's just theory at this point.
100% this show needed like 2-4 more episodes, or just longer episodes like Invincible. Knowing we're getting a season 2 that was confirmed before season 1 even released helps, but it's such a bummer we didn't get more time to flesh things out. That's certainly a choice in the tier listing. But hey, to each their own. I really disagree with the "just rewrite it" mentality. Writing characters out just cause there's "too many" isn't world building. You need a lot of minor characters, otherwise shows like My Hero Academia or the entire Star Wars franchise don't get to be what they are. Totally agree we don't get enough backstory on why everyone's in hell (unless you do some digging which is still only available for some characters and not others), but I think the point here is that neither Charlie nor even some of the higher ups in Heaven even know what gets you into Heaven in the first place, so Charlie wouldn't know to explore backgrounds to find out why they were sent to Hell. If nobody knows what gets you into Heaven, likewise you can assume nobody knows exactly what prevents you from going to Hell and thus what gets you sent to Hell either. Yeah I definitely think this is a rare example of woke culture ACTUALLY ruining something, we should've gotten more development on why the characters suck as people. All we learn about Husk is he too was once an overlord, but we have no clue what his rule as such really entailed. The confusion about that finale song is valid, I can see where they were going with it like it's meant to be a don't give up now type of thing. "You've shown me you have what it takes to POTENTIALLY succeed," but yeah it definitely comes off as something else. I don't agree entirely about Sir Pentious being underdeveloped, but I definitely see your point there. Another example of "WHY DIDN'T AMAZON/A24 GIVE THIS SEASON MORE EPISODES?!" More episodes = more chances to develop and flesh things out and more time to spend with characters to let us get invested into them. Your pov on characters tends to be more of a boiling pot of what they are rather than a real analysis and breakdown, which I think sorta hurts your perspective. But it isn't unfair either, it's very understandable what you're saying here. At the end of the day, what matters is whether or not we enjoyed the ride. Excellent review, I think it was very open and honest.
Yeah I was wrong about Lilith being stronger. I just edited my pinned comment.
Dude the feels on Assassination Classroom are so real, I was genuinely crying my fucking eyes out at the end
My biggest disappointment with how Pentious's redemption was handled is that there was a perfectly obvious, yet effective direction the writers could have taken it.
What do we learn from Pentious in episode 2? He's an egotistical inventor who wants to be recognized and can be sly if he has the right motivation (which fits with him being a literal snake). Ok, this is good and best overall handled really well in this episode. Obviously some things would have to be altered if we remove Vox, but my point still stands.
Next, what do we learn about him in episode three? He has trust issues and the only ones he really cares about are his artificially made egg bois. Angel's redemption arc (not that he really needs one from what we can see, we're just told he does, but I digress) is something that shouldn't be resolved in one season, it should be gradually built up over the coursenof the series as "the big one" in terms of getting him into Heaven. So, Pentious should be the main focus and episode 3 should be about him opening up. Here or over the course of the season, we could learn about his life other he was alive.
Now what do we know about him? He's full of himself, he's an inventor, he can be sly if he needs to, and has massive trust issues. Ok, we can work with this. Imagine this: in life, he was an up and coming inventor who was striving to be recognized and he had a business partner. This business partner was a close friend, but Pentious got greedy and decided he wanted all the recognition for himself, so he poisoned his drink (the murder could honestly be any method, but I think poisoning just fits). There, he backstabbing his friend, committed murder, and was influenced by one of the 7 Deadly Sins; greed (and I dont mean that Mammon manipulated him or anything, he just succumbed to greed). There, now it makes perfect sense as to why he is in Hell. You could really do anything and even my concept has its own holes and kinks to work out, but it's at least something.
Next, let's take it a step further and say that after he betrayed his friend, he got paranoid himself and begun having trust issues: maybe he genuinely regretted it, which would show at least a hint of good within him making him giving redemption a shot make sense. Hell, maybe you can even say that Pentious wants into Heaven to apologize to his friend. You could even make the egg bois he created supposedly be in the image of his friend. The series can then have a subplot of Pentious learning to trust others and make new friends. At the end, you can then do his whole sacrifice; giving up his life for the sake of someone else.
There, he learned his lesson, made connections, worked through his trust issues, and even exhibited the Heavenly Virtue of charity (the one that sits opposite to greed). There, now his redemption makes sense and has a great payoff, while still not fully revealing the exact process for redemption and the main cast thinking Pentious is just double dead.
It's not perfect, but I think it's qt least better than giving him one episode and then forgetting about him until the end, where we all of a sudden should give a shit. Of course you'd also need to change around the plot beats and structure of the season, but it can work.
I very much agree with you! Just another reason why Hazbin Hotel needs more than just 8 episodes. I mean, 8 episodes only?! What happened to 13 episodes? 😢
@@misabelrodriguez1163 What happened to 24?
@@anonymousapproximation8549 oh my god, to have 24 episodes of Hazbin Hotel would be the absolute best! but probably wont happen. I'm guessing its cause funding such a project has become so expensive buy that's what I think
@anonymousapproximation8549 24 is to much
@@VelvetteSimp No tf it is not.
23:31 "But Charlie can't defeat Adam by herself"
_not _*_*yet*_*
_Press F to activate Devil Trigger_
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Oh it's happening it's finally happening
Lucifer is personally my favorite character and "More Than Anything" is my favorite song. He's the most memorable character for me and i immediately loved his personality!
I did listen to Poison when it dropped early and at first didn't like it that much but it grew on me especially after actually seeing the episode.
Best CZcamsr for this, thank you so much, I love your content and the way you present it and can't wait for what's next
He’s back!
The vees are supposed to be the main antagonist of season 2 (primarily Vox) so they decided to set them up now so we could kinda warm up to them. So with that taken into account I think it is kinda reasonable to have the vees in the show plus they don't really take away fro the plot at all
My only problem with hazbin hotel at least story wise is that not Adam or Lute or Sera or anyone mention the obvious argument of is this fair to winner during ep 7 when they go to heaven. The song was amazing but, I was looking more for a courtroom scene like Steven Universe. It also would have been hella interesting if to prove a point they showed the guy who cheated on the teacher from helluva boss ep1. Saying that he ended up in heaven cause he was a good person who did a bad thing. While his wife killed 2 people and attempted to kill someone else (in the bible killing yourself is also a sin) and then sent imp to finish the job and it wouldn't be fair to him to see the same person that killed him end up in heaven. Playing with the idea of if you slowly change every part of a boat over years do you still have the same boat. Also it would have been a easy and not force way to show helluva boss in hazbin hotel.
This might sound kind of shitty and I’m not saying that hellspawn in this show cannot feel empathy the same way humans can, but something I like in Hazbin Hotel is that the main characters in it KNOW that what they do is wrong, and what OTHERS do is also wrong. And they make the effort to make the least amount of people suffer. In Helluva Boss however, most of the characters lack a moral compass and are quick to murder, but they are also like, “awe sad :(“ sometimes, but it’s never touched upon by anyone that what they are doing is evil. So I feel less attached to the characters in Helluva Boss for not addressing these traits, or at least having characters that do address them as evil and cruel. You can have messed up main characters, sure, but they cannot exist in a vacuum. You need to make sure that they know that their actions have repercussions. If Hazbin Hotel has a character like Alastor who presumably does not care for anyone except himself, (besides Rosie) and was a murderer and the characters know that and find it terrifying and morally wrongful, then Helluva Boss characters should have a main character that serves as a, “What the actual fuck?” To the Helluva Boss group being bloodthirsty, and actively tries to stop them from being violent all the time. Moxxie sort of does this, but in current episodes it seems like he’s lost most of his conviction to trying to stop the other characters from being barbaric constantly. HOWEVER! All of this is my opinion. I might be sensitive but it makes it easier for me to get attached and feel comfortable with the characters in Hazbin Hotel compared to Helluva Boss.
I definitely had my problems with Hazbin Hotel (namely that most character development happens off-screen, the plot was rushed, redemption and character development took a backseat for random shenanigans, and Poison was boarded by a ValAngel rape fetishist) but overall I liked it fine. It wasn't anywhere close to the strong potential for Good Place-level character development I thought we'd get from the pilot (comes with kicking out the pilot's actual writers I suppose), but I enjoyed it well-enough. Got some good songs out of it anyway-many were at least much better than anything in Wish except At All Costs.
I'm looking forward to your comeback!
11:00 whoa someone just vocalised the reason I love loser baby so much. As someone who has been through his own struggles I remember feeling alone and isolated from my friends. It's that reassurance that helped me get through it.
I feel like Loser Baby is able to capture this reassurance PERFECTLY and in my opinion it's the best song in the show as it perfectly captures what it's going for aswell as a few bonuses you wouldn't typically expect.
23:39 The thing is, is that Velvette also wanted to build and army to fight back, was told no by the other overlords, sees Charlie doing the exact same thing, and just, doesn't fucking care. Like. At all.
I would much rather have them TEAM UP with the Vees for the finale. Maybe Velvette would have already had an army going and Charlie has to make a bad deal with Vox to get it done which could lead to something else down the road.
There, the Vees being introduced has meaning now.
she never said she wanted to build an army though she just said they are coming up with plans if it is fact that exorcists can actually die.
Short answer: Yes, the show is really good though flawed
Y'know, A learned something from Angel-dust & Husk...
Friendship Is Truly Magic :)
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Hazbin Hotel will always be an enjoyable mess in my opinion because there is a lot of potential value within the series that just wasn't thought out completely all the way through. But, I still enjoyed the series for a lot of its positive elements that I really do enjoy.
The animation is gorgeous to look at, the characters are surprisingly likeable despite being in Hell, the character interactions have quite a bit of variety within each other, the VAs brought so much life to the characters that I personally think are better than the Pilot VAs, and the musical numbers are memorable and catchy! All these positives is what makes me love the series despite its messy execution with its storyline and rushed character development.
I honestly think this season would've benefit itself if they cut out a lot of the big plot oriented details and save it for Season 2. I would've been fine if the first season focused on the redeeming sinners plot line (AKA: Developing Angel Dust and Sir Pentious more) and is more simple in terms of fleshing out our main cast in the first season. Then save the war against Heaven for Season 2 and the development of the sinners who are going for redemption feel more deserved.
With everything I just said showcases that I do care for this series and I wanted it to succeed in the long run. I'm glad it is a big success that it is going to get a second season, but I want to acknowledge what could've been better if Viv and the team just cut down all these plot heavy storylines and just save them for another time.
I like Hazbin Hotel as a quiet fan of the series, but I don't get upset when some other individual doesn't like it and it is just not for them. That's what I'll say. Btw, great review on the series!
YAY another video
Just gotta point out that with Vees supposedly being a big part of the second season, i think the scenes that we do already have of them are too important as ontroductions to just be written off as something that can be easily cut, without them just coming out of nowhere in second season
I knew that somebody would point this out. But I disagree. If you have characters that are important in season 2, introduce them in season 2, especially when you're already trying to cram way too many characters and plot lines into season 1. There's no reason to give Vox and Velvette almost a whole episode worth of screen time.
@@RandomGameCritic I wonder if you're feelings on this would change if the first season was longer. It's not uncommon for shows to introduce a character as only being relevant for one episode and in the next they end up becoming significantly more important.
@@aedrarising2760 it doesn't even need to be longer. Vivzie could have weaved them into the main conflict instead of wasting so much time of gags that went no where. Like that commercial which we don't even see
@@user-x7dc2pq7n Nah, the show absolutely needed more episodes in its first season. The biggest thing being that the season lasted six months in universe and yet the show only covers like three months or so. It needed more time to fill in those gaps which would have been great for slower character moments.
The commercial thing was just the B plot of Overture, the Vees were never going to appear in that episode anyway so it didn't take away from them. It mostly served to give a greater sense of the characters for new viewers, hints at Alastor's rivalry through his hatred of television, and to show what Vaggie is willing to do to make Charlie happy. It's just the B plot of the first episode, it's pretty inoffensive.
Hazbin hotel at 3AM😭💀
Just wanna say the background music is awesome! XD
I like this show but yeah, it got problems. the two biggest problems I have are that it was rushed and that the songs (for the most part) are just slaped inn without any build up.dont get me wrong I like the songs but I don't feel the timing and setup are great (that could be a ME problem though), like in helluva boss. and the 8 episodes should have been 40min instead of 20, or at least 12-16 episodes cuz 8 was no enough. and this may be an unpopular opinion but i feel like this world is flat, literally, like helluvaboss ep 1. i don't think i got my point across like i want it to but alass i don't have the energy explaining it in detail, ill sum it up like this: for a series in production for 4 years i expected a huge bump in animation and background quality especially for an 8 episode show, but we got the same (and really better (wich is a stech for me to say)) quality as Helluva boss. all in all i enjoied this show but i expected more (and yes am not ignorat that it takes a long time to animate and it is expensive but still).
Your kinda right about the songs not being set up well especially Hell's Greatest Dad Out For Love and Happy Day In Hell
This show just needs more episodes
13:15 damn why do i relate to almost all of that so much🎉 Haha i did not expect to get caught off guard by a hazbin hotel review of all things
glad im not the only one who watched hunicast lol. Feel like most hazbin fans dont even know what that is at this point
Third times the charm right? Hope so lol
13:23 …… dear god I relate way to much (especially with the no shareable experiences)
I dont get why wellcome to heaven is everyone last. Cause i completely forget how "its start with sorry" goes. Like literally. I can sing its start with heaven somehow but not that song.
Also the callmina and vaggy duet is eh. Vaggy doesn't sound like herself so im pulled away and when they sing together oof. The sound is not good.
So mine bodom list is
Starts with sorry
The callinom and vaggie duit
And then wellcome to heven.
Aorry for bad spelling i just suck at it
Vaggie's voice actor naturally has a very high voice wdym
@VelvetteSimp i mean that its didnt sound like vaggie. It just wasnt her when i listens.
I understand that having Charlie still get beaten up despite going full demon for the first time might feel like a cop-out, but I think it's actually a good narrative choice. Here's why:
1. Balanced Power Dynamics: Allowing Charlie to become overpowered too quickly would undermine her character development. By holding back or struggling to tap into her full power, even in her demon form, it shows that her journey isn't about brute strength. It's about learning, growing, and leading through respect rather than fear. This ensures that her progression feels earned and that her challenges are significant, maintaining tension and engagement in the story.
2. Character Growth: This struggle highlights her fear of becoming a monster, showing that she is mindful of the power she wields and its potential consequences. It emphasizes her desire not to terrify those she aims to help, which aligns with her goal of redemption and understanding in Hell. Her reluctance to fully embrace her full power reveals her internal conflict and makes her a more relatable and sympathetic character. It underscores her compassionate nature and her commitment to leading through kindness and empathy.
3. Learning Curve: Demonstrating that she has much to learn about her powers as the Princess of Hell adds depth to her character. It sets up an arc where she gradually uncovers and masters her abilities, making her victories more earned and meaningful. This approach allows for a more nuanced exploration of her powers, showing that mastery requires time, effort, and self-discovery. It also opens up opportunities for mentorship and alliances, as she seeks guidance and support from others.
4. Lucifer's Power: By contrast, showcasing Lucifer's devastating power as a Fallen Angel, such as effortlessly defeating Adam to the point where Charlie has to intervene, emphasizes the difference in their levels. This not only underscores Lucifer's formidable presence but also serves as a benchmark for what Charlie might one day achieve. It highlights the legacy she is part of and the potential she has to become a powerful leader. Lucifer's overwhelming strength also acts as a reminder of the high stakes involved and the dangers that lurk in their world.
5. Lucifer's Role: Exploring more of Lucifer's character beyond the dorky dad persona adds richness to the story. His intervention only when absolutely necessary, allowing Charlie and her companions to handle challenges, respects her autonomy and quest. It shows that while he is a powerhouse, he trusts Charlie to grow into her role and face her trials. This dynamic reinforces the theme of independence and the importance of self-reliance. Lucifer's presence as a safety net provides reassurance but also emphasizes that true growth comes from facing and overcoming obstacles on one's own.
This approach ensures that Charlie's journey remains compelling and realistic, with clear room for growth and development. It also keeps the focus on her and her companions, allowing them to shine while still acknowledging the powerful figures around them. By balancing moments of vulnerability and strength, the narrative can explore complex themes of power, responsibility, and the struggles of leadership, making for a richer and more engaging story.
your insight is fantastic i ageee so hard with this comment. i often see people complaining vivziepop made charlie weakest character because she doesn't care about her development which is annoying
Don't worry guy i feel your "My brain is not normal"
To be fair, your script sounds hella awesome and complicated to pull off by yourself. And yeah, your criticisms are really good, and i really hope we actually get ANYONE'S backstory in a satisfying way, outside of a quick flashback / one-liner
29:56 okay gonna have to HARD disagree on this point. Lucifer is totally justified in his statement "you can do this. now I know it" Charlie successfully got a group of sinners to band together and risk their lives protecting something bigger than themselves. They even told the others they'd understand if they leave, but they stayed anyway, and won.
In doing so they've simultaneously proven that the hotel IS inspiring change in sinners, AND that heaven has to take them seriously, since they can no longer be bullied into submission. Sinners gaining positive qualities and hell gaining more political sway with heaven are both directly in line with Charlie's goals.
Okay, that is an interesting point that I never considered, but... The original song was about changing _Heaven's_ minds and touching their hearts, which is something that Charlie objectively failed to do. But then, the final song is about how Charlie changed _Lucifer's_ mind (which, to be fair, she did) and touched the _demons'_ hearts (which, as far as they currently know, doesn't count for anything since Heaven is just going to keep ignoring them no matter what anyways).
My point was never about how the final song doesn't make any sense in its new context. My point was that they _changed_ all of the context. The final song is pretending to be the conclusion of the story, when in reality, the story completely switched to something else halfway through the season, but they acted like it didn't.
@@RandomGameCritic I see what you're trying to say, but the final song never felt like it was supposed to be a conclusion to begin with. The entire song is about what they WILL accomplish, not what they already have.
Aside from the section that's literally just about the actual process of building a new hotel, almost the entire song is focused on the future, with lyrics like:
-"you can do this"
-"Your story has just begun"
-"you can't quit now"
-"there's still damage to be undone"
-"The show, it must go on"
-"we can make it, though redemption may take a while"
-"We'll make a difference wait and see. We're gonna do this; you and me"
Even the sections of the song dedicated to the Vs and Alastor are in relation to their FUTURE goals, not what they've already got.
TL;DR: The song was never about congratulating Charlie for fulfilling her goals. It was about encouraging her to not give up on them.
It didn't lose the plot, it just had a very important real world lesson about justice and resistance; sometimes (ok, often) the powers-that-be will not listen to diplomacy and will force you to fight back. And that's on them. Resistance and solidarity are the foundation of social change.
Oh, did it vanish.
Tldr, I found episode 4 to be the most upsetting out of the lot (in a bad way) so it never doesn't surprise me when even channels decrying the series faults praise it as the height of the show. It's... interesting?
6:45 seein animated Alastor full demon form and the stayed gone song wasnt enought?
24:39 hey! That was very productive meeting! xd
21:42 completely agree with this tier list
Bro every time you start talking about yourself I relate way too hard.
Like damn why is a guy talking about not feeling things deeply ironically the first thing to make me feel something deeply in months
Edit: further through the vid and can't believe you'd wanna cut half my favorite characters. Rosie's scenes with Charlie were absolutely amazing. I absolutely adored Lucifers gradual transition from being against the idea of the Hotel, to helping Charlie pursue it despite the risk, to himself convincing her that she can't stop now. Vox's rivalry with Alastor is hilarious (and personally i liked seeing the Vs reactions in the finale). Velvette I'm less attached to as an individual character, but I think she rounds out the Vs as a trio well, and her song slaps.
C Tier Out For Love and Finale is fuckin wild
Dare I say hes right
I feel like a lot of the pacing issues may have come from not knowing if they’d get a season 2 while they were writing season 1. Viv really wanted to tell the story of heaven vs hell, so that was the focus when they didn’t know if they’d get another season, but when s2 was greenlit, it might have been too late to rewrite/rearrange the episodes. So, we’ve been promised character backstories and the Vees as the main villains of s2, but it feels like all of that should have been in s1 instead, giving us time to get to really know the characters and world so that the final fight with heaven and Sir Pentious’s redemption would have had much more of an impact after two seasons of buildup. Going from having the forces of heaven as the main antagonists to the main villains being just a couple of overlords feels weirdly backwards, like the Vees should have been the s1 antagonists instead.
they have may won the battle but the battle isn’t over yet, or at least in my opinion yeah, either way hazbin hotel will always find away for a solution to help human souls no matter what gets in there way yeah, go hazbin hotel 💜
13:42 WHERE TF DOES MY TIME GO, I HAVE NEVER FELT SO SEEN BEFORE OMFG
This show managed to work as well as it did because it is a musical. The best examples being You didn't know and Ready for this they manage to skip so much by just condencing everything into 2-3 minutes of screentime.
no way you used everhood songs for background music. I've been wanting to do that for years but can't sit down to edit anything.
Honestly they really should’ve saved the angels and the whole heaven vs hell for a later season and focus more on the Hotel and rehabilitation also it would’ve been SOOOO cool if they kept Charlie being Lucifer’s daughter a secret until a certain part of the show and not revealing what he looks like while foreshadowing in some moments that would’ve made her a MUCH more interesting character, also I don’t really see Adam of all souls doing something like he did in the show I honestly think Abel (his second son) would’ve fit the role a lot better when knowing his origin
21:59 It's also because Jessica Vosk as Lute only got like, 4 lines of singing. Seriously, that small part she had in You didn't Know was peak Hazbin Music.
i never thought you were going to enjoy watching hazbin hotel. i admit this show has flaws but i agree with you and i actually enjoyed it more than helluva and idk why. some people prefer hazbin over helluva or helluva over hazbin so maybe it's a matter of taste?
and i enjoyed your constructive criticism and things the show did well it's so balanced more than any other reviews on CZcams.
2 HOURS AGO, HAZBIN HOTEL REVIEW. LETS GO YALL
As a fellow Shinedown fan, I know how you feel.
Planet Zero was soooo good, though! I think that was my favorite album since Avenged Sevenfold released "The Stage" back in 2016.
Bro watching your videos at 0.5 speed is so funny
29:17 I find it interesting that the two most consistent characters are the protagonist and the villain--though, guess it makes sense those two would be the most consistent, as the two most vital characters in the story. Even more interesting that Adam might be the most consistent of the two.
tbh charlie has every reason to change her plan to participating in a war because her entire plan was to save sinners from extermination and redemption won't be possible in a one month.
i actually counted how many times i laughed throughout the entire series and i think it was like 9 laughs including chuckles.
Two of those were of me being reminded verbalase exists
I'm brand new to all things Vivziepop, but I knew of her bad reputation and how her shows are very flawed...so I had no expectations for this show. And ep 1 was kinda bad so I didn't think I'd like it. But ep 2 & 3 were great!
And if episode 4 shocked me and made me genuinely emotionally invested in the series, Episode 6 blew me away with how strong the writing was! It's one of the best episodes of anything ive ever watched, the animation the voice acting the pacing the plot progression... Its all superb!
Such a shame that the finale crashed and burned and really left a bad taste in my mouth. Wasting Adam's actually interesting character to a joke death (He was my favourite character cuz I loved to hate him and he was actually a genuinely effective villain), along with the breakneck pace just kinda ruined the season for me.
But after some time I've come to accept it and I am still hyped for s2. I just hope they can make something half as good as Ep 6...
don't worry i think adam is gonna return as sinner in hell because recently his voice actor quoted article that season 2 songs will be bangers too with emotion of electronic guitar. and even some of the voice actors gave a hint that there will be rock song in season 2 if you know what i mean
I remember when Walter White dropped an F-bomb and Vivzepop sued Breaking bad for stolen valor
I think for the power levels in this show, they could have made it so Charlie is stronger than Lucifer, and that Adam, while weaker than Lucifer, can still defeat Lucifer based on skill. Adam was forced to survive outside of the garden of Eden without the help of anyone else, but he also had thousands of years to work on his combat skills, while Lucifer never trained for a fight in his life because there is no one who could ever match him in power. It’s backward ass The Boys tv show Power scaling.
Well good video
It feels like half of the whole show is just setting up season 2
I remember when the name of episode five was released I went on a friends discord server and flipped shit that it was going to be another Viv character being all boohoo daddy issues without trying to solve or grow from it but there was a lot of character development from most of the characters
Sometimes we should just be grateful we even have the first season, in my opinion its a great start
İ watched the pilot when i was a small child Around 9 or 10(aka way too young for this show) ,i haven't seen the series yet but after i see it i might make my own review of the series
11:16 ur so real for that
Alastor is a manipulator, he sees that Lucifer thinks they might be a thing when he puts his arm on her shoulder before the song begins, using that knowledge he strums Lucifer along until he reveals that he’s not after Charlie’s heart but to replace him, which is when the song really starts of, and Mimzy was made because there was no logical way to basically stop Alastor and Lucifer from starting to fight unless the song got interrupted and they just didn’t have time to have one of the guests interrupt it and solve that inter party issue.
Omg again this guy is so different than me - “Lucifer’s personality isn’t memorable” *me loving Lucifer as my fave character* 😂 but also, Alastor is beefing with Lucifer because he wants to be the dominate influence to Charlie so she can serve his future purposes. If Charlie connects with her dad, she will do what he says instead of what Alastor says.
26:13 I agree with some parts, but I think your missing the point about how the Heaven sees you do 1 to more things that are “bad” and takes in no context for the persons situation, which is why the system is so corrupt, because Angel Dust is not a bad person. He is in a shitty situation and uses drugs and other things to cope.
One of the biggest flaws I've seen with the series (and really, with any work of fiction) is that any of the problems in the storytelling almost always begins with the characters. And it isn't just that there are too many characters, but also because it's hard for me to get a bead on the main characters. The biggest culprits that come to mind (for myself, at least) are Angeldust, Husk, and Cherrybomb. People are quick to do lots of these with these characters in their minds and in their artistic depictions of these characters, and yet these characters embody everything that's wrong with how conflict works in story development. Sure, they stand out in terms of appearance and edginess, but that still leaves a lot to be desired. Off the top of my head:
Angeldust doesn’t seem to experience any internal conflict. Lots of external conflict, yes, but no internal conflict, which is the result of a character's ultimate desire being pitted against their biggest fears. From what's been revealed of his character, he doesn't seem to have an ultimate desire. At best, he’s half a character with an S Tier song.
Same goes for Husk. Pairing him with Angeldust doesn't magically fill in the gaps in their respective character's development.
Cherrybomb's only contributions to the show (based on what they've shown of her) is either being a sounding board for the other characters or an awkwardly forced relationship with Sir Pentious. At best, she's slightly better than a stock character.
btw, I enjoyed your analysis of the premise and the flaws in its execution. Keep up the awesome work. You've got my subscription (and this comment will trigger the algorithm).
I didn't really like Angel Dust since he's just comic relief before and after episode 4 which is even more odd since you already had Nifty as comic relief (and a good one at that)
This show is basically a masterpiece with quite a few flaws and i genuinely don't know how else to describe it
Masterpiece is a bit far but definitely better ,on average, than Helluva
Like helluva boss
@@absolutezerochill2700well helluva boss is great too and the stolitz is a more interesting couple at least now than every couple in hazbin (but they’re still on the beginning so it’s normal)
Masterpiece is going a bit far haha
its a 6/10 at best
I definitely prefer it to Helluva Boss, way more focused and well written.
People can say what they want about the pacing but I am so glad they didn't drag the charlie x vaggie conflict out like what they're doing for blitz x stolas 😂
@Axel_Kasai Charlie's conversation with Rosie is one of the best moments in the show
11:25 NAH NOT THE ASSASINATION CLASSROOM
OUT FOR LOVE IN C??? FINALE IN C??????
To be fair, Lucifer was very dismissive even in the actual show of Charlie's outlook on things, so my interpretation was that, because they simply didn't talk to each other for years, over the years, Charlie built up this idea in her head that because her dad doesn't show her views and because he's not the most eager to help her out until he comes to see the hotel and actually talks to her, that her father automatically views her as a failure as an extension of him seeing her plans as a failure waiting to happen. So, I don't actually think Lucifer's pilot depiction couldn't work with the rest of the show.
Glad to see another Adam enjoyer.
Sometimes you need a second pair of eyes to pick out your mistakes and weaknesses though. Carmilla was that second pair of eyes, not to mention one for whom it made sense to understand this, since she deals in weapons. Plus, her introduction also contributes to the worldbuilding, allowing her to build up relevance over time. I think you're too quick to want to write out characters given this show is meant to have another season in which the characters could be expanded on. Introducing characters early and then expanding on them later is not an uncommon tactic, and one that quite a lot of people can appreciate, especially once the show is out in full. Although, that does admittedly assume that the show runners will remember to make use of these characters later as well... but... as someone who likes to dabble in fanfiction I'd much rather have a much broader world to play in and then work with wasted opportunities when writing fanfics than try to play around in a world that is forgettable and tiny and doesn't have much to it to play off of. If all we had was the main cast, it'd result in too few variety and leave the world feeling too small for "Hell". Bad enough that the lack of guests at Hazbin makes the Hotel part of it not feel quite right.
Plus, if you leave everything to season 2 and then season 2 is the same amount of episodes as season 1, now season 2 has to carry all that weight and cram everything into such a short space of time... which I wouldn't care for. It'd feel like "oh, we should really be doing something with the Vees since we had them show up in the pilot and Addicted was a thing and Poison was a thing, and Val's not the only Vee otherwise you could just call it Moth Media if we're just gonna ignore Vox and Vel..." I think spacing it out a bit - introducing them first in episode 2, then adding them onto episode 3, then 4, and then 8, just gives more of a feeling of time passing by and them being built up as the next threat which creates suspense. Which would be quickly dropped if you just dropped it all in season 2.
I really like hazbin but i still prefert helluva boss
I will say this as much as I disliked them playing off Pentious’ death as a joke…it was a funny as hell joke.
I had a little theory on why most people are in hell it’s not because “writing” or all the stuff they did in their past, and it’s also not that “heaven is corrupted and has double standards” bullshit no. I think it’s all because of “Faith” it has been stated multiple times in Christianity that if you don’t keep your faith in God than your ass is getting sent to hell
I love with dam near every movie / game and show the same exact video patterns happen
The first month or few months are nothing but hate vids before the narrative flips
So when is the narrative flipping on Madame web?🤣
@@user-x7dc2pq7n they made that?
when will you do the new helluva boss episode??
Watch the previous video he talks about it
Sorry, but re writing Charlie's character so that she can defeat Adam would totally ruin her character turning her into a Mary Sue. She is a wonderful female character and does have her girl boss moments, but giving her that much power is just unrealistic. Questions like "why would she need Vaggie", or "why'd she become more powerful than anyone else in heaven or hell" would come up, and really not have any good answers. The side characters add depth to the world, and really do push the plot in a way that keeps it from seeming to be shallow or simplistic.
27:00 They don’t actually know why they’re there. I took as an allegory of classism. Nothing is different between the people in heaven and hell. So the question is - who set this system up and why? Anti-establishment type stuff
You're acting like season 1 is the whole show when it obviously isn't. the Vs, the overlords, Lucifer etc, broaden the world and set up plots for the other seasons ( it's basically confirmed that the Vs are the main villains for season 2)
Edit: none of this is about fandom politics, what people get off to is none of my business and my point is not to police anyone's fetishes, only that I believe a poor chose was made in who was delegated to handle which scenes. Also note that I am not discussing real life SA and those involved, only the depiction in this fictional cartoon show.
As a 5-year ongoing Hazbin fan with hundreds of thousands of words of fanfiction for it under my belt, I HATED episode 4. Knowing that someone who shipped Angel with Valentino and got off on the abuse dynamic was the person who got to do their scenes really soured me on them (I felt like I was watching a fetish film instead of a serious episode of tv, which y'know, impacts things a bit) and the fact that Husk's big rock-out song was comaparing his abuse (to our knowledge, restricted to threats and intimidation) to Angel's (...rape) made me hate the song and feel frustrated with his character.
In a vacuum the episode is good, if that meta context was gone and Husk was in a much worse situation than he was I would have LOVED it, but it just left a bad taste in my mouth.
It’s actually been confirmed by Viv that most of the events in the pilot are canon, but the visuals are not
"Most" of the events are canon? Come on...
Music a bit loud but good video dude
I'm not sure what to do about that. The music felt like the perfect volume on my laptop speakers, but it was a bit loud on both my phone speakers and my headphones, and I swear that it sounded even MORE quiet on other sound systems. Idk which sound system is more "correct."
25:54 reasons why a few of them are in hell
Alastor is a serial killer
Charlie was born there
Vaggie was kicked out of heaven
Husk is an alcoholic gambler
Nifty is psychotic
Angel Dust is a drug addict
Velvette is narcissistic
Valentino is a adult film producer and abuser
Alright so I dont exactly feel like typing everything but there are so many things that can be cut out because shows like Edgerunners understands what to use & not to use and 8 Episodes that are 20+ Minutes is plenty of time to do alot and I despise that to be adult/mature, there needs to be vulgarity and I dont like the childish humor, this is Hell with the most vile humans imaginable and we dont get any effective & good writing that Pilot did with say Katie, the attempt at dark and adult stuff is basic and not impressive or have variety. The logic of the world is not good either.
~ 22:40
I disagree
The REAL way to deal with the characters is for Prime to GIVE THE SHOW MORE EPISODES >:(
While yes Angel don't seem like a terrible person. Angel Dust died from a drug overdose. Which caused him to go to hell.
The one song ranking I disagree with is the Finale. It's one of my fav songs and Lucifer has to be my fav boi