KEVIN DURANT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE GOAT CONVO
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Rashad Mccants literally encapsulates everything i dislike about Basketball Discussions
Ppl that be making shit up???
He weird but they say it brings views. Even if it’s not what’s being the views but idk I guess u can’t prove it right or wrong smh 😭😭💯
He’s not consistent. He gauges every one off personal accolades and stats except for Kobe and Jordan.
Something you don’t have to do for Jordan because Jordan checks off every box. But you have to do for Kobe
Facts
Mccants work off of bias feelings @@1990POE
The last thing I expected to come up in this conversation was the "aura." 😂😂
felt like he was using aura as cultural impact.
You've heard players say that players were SCARED 😟😳😱of the great MJ, that's aura........6RINGZ!!
That part....😂 because Shaq has now entered the convo.
MJ is an asshole. That has been proven so his goat status is for what he did on the floor, not selling sneakers.
KD is a troll. He trolls on twitter, okc and brooklyn. That is also a fact.
Now shaq.....he has, imo, one of the greatest diss tracks in hiphop. We can agree to disagree but "tell me how my ass taste?" Has to be in that discussion!
His wife created an entire franchise just being his ex-wife!
Tom brady isnt the goat because he married Giselle. All this did was solidify why KD is not in that gost convo.
. Nah, Dame is the Goat he is arguably the best artist ouf of the NBA thus he is more influent and therefore the Greatest Of All Time.
@@theALMIGHTY987half of bill
Hot take: Jokic is already closer to the GOAT conversation than KD has ever been in his entire career. PSA: This isn't saying Jokic is super close, but that KD is super far away.
Word
Let em cook
Hotter take: Him and Giannis are closer than KD
for me nah, jokic needs a bit more longevity his peak is higher tho
Jokic is certainly closer, and that’ll probably be consensus as his career goes on.
That said KD is probably top 20 or so himself.
"HE WAS HANDSOME DAWG". 😂😂😂
That handsome aura 😂
@@JLS-vv6ye They super wild lol
@@neovssmith19 yes mccants and Jennings be smoking that good good, or probably not that good good. Ifs that’s the case I don’t want it 😂
That shit had me rolling 😂
😂😂😂😂
😂 “We gotta wait til they finish”. Bro is literally saying we gotta wait until the heat death of the universe before we can come to a conclusion about any player.
He'll be in his grave saying he'll wait until the All-Star roster of 2098 to finish LOL
For real, he’s acting like when LeBron retires so does the whole league lol
I was irritated as hell with his answer. Most of the people in the top 75 are finished and you can’t pick one? Just go home Brandon 🤦🏽♂️
@@grayson0916Because my valiant King James IS the NBA, the NBA will be a classless organization if they didn't suspend the league for a season after he retires to honor his glorious career.
@@TheBaconBasket1 lmao goated
This is why no one takes basketball debates seriously. The community (players included) are so quick to call somebody a casual or dismiss their knowledge of the game but then when you ask something so simple as in "Is KD in the GOAT debate", which he's not. Suddenly everything is so hard to judge and its all "subjective" and the game is sooooo complicated.
Too many contradictions
I mean it’s been subjective.
Everything in basketball is subjective.
I dont want to hear from people who didnt play. Hearimg from a dude who cant even jog 10 seconds is even crazier
@@TheKingofsoccor yeah they take his words like he coached one of the greats, to say KD isn’t one of them after this season is purely hatred based on his warriors trade. Dame Lillard just did the same thing and everyone was hyped for a new colby and shack duo but when kd did it, it was “wow all that for a ring” imagine if Carmelo Anthony had done the same, im sure no one would even bat an eye
These dudes really sat up there and said you gotta be cute to be the goat lmfao
I mean it’s true tho, it helps
I agree, thats why Kelly Oubre is my goat. You know what, Im the goat, if he evers come face to face to me, im becoming the throat goat.
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXxno
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx You are absolutely insane dawg.
@@breno5029???
Jennings out here "waiting for everyone to finish" but that would mean there would never be a GOAT until the NBA decides to just stop 🤣
That was low-key the goofiest take I've ever heard 😂
Ikr dude will be long dead and gone and he still ain’t make up his mind
since yall having a hard time grasping what he was saying, since rashad already said take kobe and mj out brandon was going off that and saying wait til bron, kd, curry finish
@@Swizzstick671 Right but follow the logic...once they leave we'll have another batch of players who will have a shot to be GOATS. You see the problem? By following his train of thought, there will never be a GOAT because we have to wait till everyone finishes playing.
@@Swizzstick671Kobe isn't in the conversation
Having KD in your top 3 is just nasty
Why do you not see his stats and accolades
Disgusting. He not even top 5 in most skilled. Kyrie, Curry, D Book are all more skilled then Durant
@@kaseemburr4825stop it
Hes not even to 5
Ya love to meet ride n hate on whoever ya want have some respect for KD n hop off nuts
Everytime Jennings says "We have to wait till they're finished" I get so annoyed.
Even hearing it a second time, I still don't get what he is saying. I must be missing something. Next he'll be saying, Luka or Tatum could be the goat..so he would never have a goat because players are still playing the game?
Yeah, you can still rank them now. Like put their career in perspective that with only 1 championship, they're 15 or whatever because of their numbers to this point. It's not like people put Luka 1 because they envision 10 chips.
Yo I never comment, but this was one of the funniest videos I've ever watched. Calling Jordan cute as an argument is so blatantly biased. Just say u want him lol.
w huskers
We went from “ringz” to “he was handsome” and “aura” 😭😂
😂😂😂😂
Even if we look at Kd’s Career with none of the “Joining the 73-9 warriors” 2 Rings, 2 Finals Mvps, 1 Reg Mvp, All of his Outlandish Stats, Etc…
He still doesn’t have the resume that other players do in the goat debate, especially when KD is playing currently with Two individuals with a stronger argument and resume in not Only Bron but, also Steph💀
They all have cases for goat debate fool 😂
KD is a better all around player than Steph. Look at what KD is doing from an offense and defense perspective. Steph is limited.
@@2cents250 People will have magic top 5 even with his limited defense compared to people with all time defense because, of everything he offered on offense and his accomplishments .
Same way with KD and Curry imo, KD isn’t even an all time defender like other greats so trying to use that to justify KD>Curry is not going to work especially when his MVP season eclipses KD’s and he won with and without him.
@@2cents250cool Steph led his team to win before kd and after so he is better
@@2cents250 KD is 6'10" and isn't even a good rebounder... That's pathetic.
The GOAT is MJ, and like Gil said, it’s about the second on the list, and the second has to go against the rest, Afro samurai style, this is how this works
the goat is not mj its bron bud
@@lesser6330bro stop Bron my favorite player of all time but MJ will always be the GOAT
@@StressedOutJimmy Kareem is the actual goat
@@OMG-si3wn of big men maybe but Kareem ain’t never been greater than Lebron or MJ
@@StressedOutJimmy 6 chips 6 mvps and was elite for 18 seasons
Jordan - LeBron = KD
6 MVPs - 4 MVPs = 2 MVPs
6 rings - 4 rings = 2 rings
That's the dumbest most casual Skip Bayless ass argument ive ever seen
Bill - mj = Tim Duncan
I know you're talking rings, but Bill x Tim Duncan and you still don't get the athleticism or scoring of Jordan lol. Bill was a really good athlete for his time.
Kd only has 1 mvp
The issue with Jennings’s take is he’ll never get that point of debating because if a Luka or Tatum wins 2 out of the next 3 titles and keep playing at a high level your gonna have to wait till there done to add them. Basically by his narrative he’ll have to keep adding players almost every 5 years, specifically this generation of players who haven’t even hit there prime yet.
Not even after he's in the grave
@@HNCelica Jennings will switch up. after death is when he will really start ranking players
Jennings doesn’t have a take. He’s just avoiding the question. He’s an idiot.
I keep forgetting that Low had an argument with KD
Trae Young was also in the space listening too. Anybody else catch that? 😁
He’s a top 12 player at best. You can’t just make multiple bad career decisions that has influenced the amount you’ve won and expect to be in a convo with guys that have 5 chips
Top 15
Top 20. Is he even a top 5 SF?
Never understood why he left gsw. He would've had all the fmvps and more championships.
Insecure
@@manz7860for real. He would’ve been up there with MJ, Kobe, bron, magic.
@@remnant8898 yes he is, stop it bruh😂😂
he kinda has a point about aura. felt like kobe vs duncan was a aura debate at times.
Literally
1000%
stats and accolades say Duncan for sure, but the aura puts Kobe ahead of him for a majority of people
yea man you are grown ass men, stop talking about aura. Rationalize your thoughts and put them into words.
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx yes I can watch Kobe highlights all day, but Tim Duncan was a more impactful player I can separate the two.
It literally is, most people are gonna go with the sexy scorer who does super hero-like feats in the clutch and can score over triple teams and ignore the guy with the 2nd most defensive winshares in NBA history and probably the 2nd most impactful player ever on that side of the floor. Mind you Duncan was no slouch on offense either.
Bron to Heat is not KD to the Warriors
thank you, i hate when people try to compare the two situations.
Why not
@@Realblingking00I don't believe that's a legit question
@@Realblingking00 because he didn’t lose to them. And join them. That some weak ass shit.
Literally though. These niggas comparing KD who went to a Team that beat him. To LeBron joining the heat for a new Path lmfaooo.
It's not even about his GSW move it's more of he's done nothing outside of the Warriors. Yeah you can bring up LeBron and Miami but he's already done it twice without them.
Taking out ring culture still no, MJ and Bron gaps his resume
A big part is about that GSW move. It’s the very thing that has forever stained his legacy. Every round table discussion moving forward will continue to mention it and he very well knows that. Can’t run from it or sweep it under the rug
What did LeBron do before Miami 🤔
@@Rory4Sixty😂😂😂😂😂
I refuse to believe that you're that brain dead to not know
@@Rory4Sixtygood troll but try harder I'll wait for the second attempt
@@nottodayimbusy7146 I’m just saying what did he do before Miami twice ✌🏾 I don’t remember him winning the championship if you’re talking about the finals Kevin Durant been there as well
The Jordan/ LeBron debate on Facebook might be the most toxic thing ever bruh.
Wanna put oil into the fire? Tell them both of them weren't the GOAT because Wilt is the GOAT by far.
Lmao KD doesn't realize that if Jokic or Giannis win one chip more it's up for him... "what haven't I done?" You haven't led your own team ninja! 🤣
Facts I agree on this also both those guys would’ve won for their drafted team twice and not have to chase Allstars to get another ring 😂😂😂
If jokic join GS rn we won’t remember KD
He could never lead a team. That’s why he left OKC because he didn’t want to go through the hard phase of being a leader. Dudes a fraud. Then went to golden state for easy championships. Then joined kyrie plus harden. Now the suns with booker and Beal. That’s why he left The nets when he heard kyrie wanted out he didn’t want to stay and grind it out and at try to lead the nets by himself.
Hot take: Low being consistent puts him in the GOAT conversation
The problem I have with the GOAT debate is that people try to diminish the accomplishments of others to make the case for their guy. Once you do that, you’ve disqualified yourself from the debate, in my opinion.
Whether you have Jordan or LeBron as the GOAT, the only way to make a legitimate argument for your guy is by acknowledging how great the other guy is and THEN make the case why you believe your guy to be even greater.
For instance: I could write an entire thesis on the things LeBron has done to be the GOAT and I truly believe that LeBron at his absolute peak is a better NBA player than Jordan at his absolute peak. The only reason that I have Jordan as the GOAT is the fact that, even if he had bad games in high stakes situations, Jordan never choked as badly as LeBron did in 2011. Jordan, from a storybook perspective, has the perfect career. Jordan is the greatest individual player ever, but LeBron at his peak is the most complete player ever and better in a 5-on-5 NBA game.
The thing that I don’t know is why does everyone forget 2014? That’s what eliminated them from the goat conversation the Spurs trounced them there was never a point in that series where you thought Miami had a legitimate chance to win why doesn’t anybody ever call that into account?
@@thelaw2348cuz Chris Bosh and wade avg 14 & 15 and the role players like Allen were terrible all series while lebron was up 30 a game. Only criticism was young kawhi give him problem defense other that there is much to say bad about him that series.
@@thelaw2348Bron avgd 28 on 57% shooting. And that takes into account he went out of the 1st game in the 4th. Wade and Bosh played terrible and SA were shooting 3s at a record breaking pace. There was no way Bron could compete in that Finals unless it was like his 2018 version.
@@kaekae1782 We’ll see those are excuses. This is the goat debate not a very good debate. There is no way the greatest player of all time doesn’t have a chance.
@@thelaw2348it’s a team game at the end of the day. Just because your the GOAT doesn’t mean you can beat a whole team 1v5 maybe for One game, and the heat won a game, but not a whole 7 game series.
Gil is unreal at analogies & articulations. 🔥🔥🔥
He’s also literally not real sometimes lol
He makes a lot of good points to and he should remove that one dude from his show frfr
KD is in the upper tier of the Clyde drexlers and Dominique Wilkins of the world. Like he’s at the top of that tier of player.
I agree he’s a sure first ballot HOF talent but he’s no GOAT I like this take
@@Frosty1026terrible take lol tf yall talking about. KD is a 2 time champ, finals MVP and regular season MVP. That alone change the tier for him
@@chrisringer5778 ehh his rings kinda count like yea he won them but he went the biggest bitch way to get them. If we make fun of lebrons Mickey Mouse ring I’ll make fun of KD warriors ring. That MVP puts him in that upper tier like buddy said
@@Frosty1026🤣🤣🤣
MJ has ALL OF IT THO!!!!!
Skills CHECK
Stats CHECK
Defense CHECK
Rings CHECK
Resume CHECK
Dominance CHECK
He's untouchable
Yeah I mean it’s a combination of all that not just one. That’s why Bill Russell isn’t the GOAT
@@travisdurham29 But he should be in the conversation. You don’t win 11 championships and not be in the conversation, I don’t care about 8 teams blah blah blah. Thats why nobody takes this convo seriously outside of Michael Jordan. LeBron James should not be in the goat conversation. Nothing against him.
@@alltheworldsastage8597championships are a team award. Granted he contributed to those but you have to have the personal accolades to go with them. I’m no Lebron fan by any means but I would say he is definitely top 3 and maybe top 2. I can’t take that away from him. I don’t think he has or will surpass Jordan. Yes he has the longevity but in my eyes Jordan did way more in far less time
@@alltheworldsastage8597you had me into the LeBron comment now I know you're biased I can't take your argument serious
People need to realize how much marketing/media effects their opinions. Most fans don’t actually make judgements by watching games, they just listen to the media….
Look at the KD convo, everyone(including media) agreed the playing with the Warriors was too unbalanced to be worth the same as typical championships…. But then the media decided it didn’t matter; evidently Steph needed KD to win those championships(despite winning before and after), and KD is top 15,
… and all of a sudden everyone agrees
He didn’t need him to win. He needed him to win with 100% certainty
He needed him to win *
KD not top 15
@@hmmmmmm6901 I agree, but somehow KD's stock continues to rise post-Warriors. Mainly bc the media has decided so... (buffoons like Kendrick Perkins)
@@squidfatherNo, the media if anything has tried to downgrade Kd’s stock. And because he's playing well and healthy again people are starting to see with their own eyes he really is top 13. Cus when he's unhealthy or not playing well you can easily push ideas that diminish him as a player. But when he's actually playing normally people start to see those ideas were pretty much bs.
The reason why KD isn't in the GOAT convo is because... his foot was on the line 😎
"if u ugly it dont matter what u do u aint my goat" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe kd just doesn’t want to be forgotten.
He won’t be. He’s basically the first “unicorn”
@@malcolmhodnett8874 Not really but, if you think so you got it.
@@malcolmhodnett8874he’s not the first unicorn 🤦🏾♂️
Personally i feel like Jokic and Giannis careers are better than KD
Maybe Jokic but not Giannis.
I disagree 1 chip n ya on nuts ya make hard to root for certain players smfh
@luisdominguez1153 under normal circumstances I agree however KD has yet to prove he can win without the warriors while Jokic and Giannis along with Bron and Curry have won in the 2020s era.
@@kaseemburr4825Giannis is more accomplished than Jokic at the current time.
Consistency of Winning 🔥
-- Hot Take? I would put Kawhi in the Top 10-15 but...he has zero MVPs -- despite having 2 Finals MVP along w/ 2 DPOYs.
Me? My OVERSIMPLIFICATION GOAT list has to have: 2MVPS and at least 1 FMVP. There's only a dozen players that meet this criteria: Steph, Bird, MJ, Lebron, Jokic, Giannis, Duncan, etc -- leaves out guys like Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, Dirk, KG, KD..
Kobe isn't even in the conversation so Rashad is already done
Exactly
Yet for some reason Kobe fans swear he’s the most “skilled player of all time”
@@onlywiigame.Not the most but y'all are smoking if you think he's not at least top 5 but I can sense the Kobe hate from you guys so I'm assume you're going to disagree and that's ok
Kobe is in the conversation idiot...if he wasn't, his name wouldn't be mentioned
I keep wondering if I'm the only person who remembers no one was talking about Kobe being the GOAT until after he died. Also, it wasn't Kobe vs MJ. it was Kobe vs Duncan.
I’ll never forget that convo.They were arguing & Someone on agent stream said “Lo in 5” I almost pissed myself
Hot take nba players opinions don’t hold as much weight as people think they’re flawed like us and a lot of nba players judge players from a skill perspective instead of just pure production and accolades nba players opinion hold weight when they talk about actual basketball (plays, how to defend different actions etc.) but when it comes to debating players they’re opinions are pretty atrocious
If their opinion is “atrocious” then you don’t even get to speak. For all our sake 😂😂😂
@@curtiszyr it’s to point out that there just as flawed you can be a avid nba fan and have better takes than nba guys there opinion holds weight when breaking down the game cerebrally
KD is more of a BOAT than a GOAT. He’s undeniably one of the BEST players to ever play, but he’s nowhere near the greatest.
The only things KD has ever done well is scoring and hopping from team to team chasing money and rings. And his scoring isn't even particularly efficient. In every other offensive stat besides raw scoring he's mediocre or poor considering his size and positions he plays on the court, and ditto for his defense. He shoots a lot, he scores a lot, and cashes checks a lot. He is literally Carmelo Anthony + the two rings he chased in Golden State.
"It was the bald head and the gold chain"😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
When they spoke about aura I think they are speaking from a general star power and impact of a player on the game and stuff around it. That makes sense.
Which is a stupid argument because all those things would apply to someone like AI and I would not put him over the likes of Kareem and or Tim Duncan that don’t have that “aura” of which these niggas speak of
yeah i dont see how thats crazy when people say curry Has a lot of gravity
If we speak about aura MJ is in a galaxy of his own
Common low cook also the consistency is a W 🔥🔥🔥
Great video low I’m a big of your debating skills .
Frfr, he would've been gold had he hit that shot
When he said it, i immediately thought of you 😂😂
I wish they would stop with “real hoopers don’t care about accolades” narrative. All of the greats cared about getting accolades and especially winning. They cared about their legacy
Remember kids: its not because you played in the NBA that your opinion is valid
It’s all opinions tho there is no facts it’s all who u think
The hesi tween splash be having boys in a chokehold😂😂😂
Let’s be real if a dude came in and played only 5 seasons while averaging 40ppg 9rpg 9apg, won 2-3 titles, RotY, 4 scoring titles, 1 DPoY, 5 Allstar, 5 All NBA, and 4 MVP’s. Then he gets in a car accident and dies he would be the GOAT….PERIOD! You don’t go off of overall career stats alone! It’s about dominance before all else!
Visually, he plays like a 7ft version of Kobe
Statistically, he keeps up with Lebron aside from assists but he’s the more efficient scorer from all spots
KD is one of the best ever in terms of skill and versatility but he doesn’t have the accolades
my top 10
mj/bron - 6/4
kareem - 6
duncan - 5
magic - 5
bird - 3
shaq - 4
kobe - 5
russell - 11
curry - 4
KD - 2
hakeem - 2
wilt - 2
Hakeem was much better all-around player, also true bus driver.
And Wilt was individually above anybody else in his era. KD never stood out that much. Even in his time subsequently Lebron, Steph and Jokic were more impactful.
@@mareklame8589 Bus driver talk is crazy because people are just quoting Barkley who failed with his own superteam . Wilt only stood out only during the regular season , meanwhile KD scores the 4th most ppg all-time in the playoffs. Also Wilt doesn’t have KD’s longevity. Durant would be retiring this year if he was on Wilt’s pace. He’s still averaging 30 on 50%. And I remember Steph having a healthy team in 2019 outside of Durant but still needed KD to come back from injury to save them from the Toronto Raptors in game 5. Curry doesn’t seem as impactful when you put it that way. He’s the reason KD tore his achilles . He won an MVP during Lebron’s peak and would’ve been a champion in 2012 if some other long forgotten super team didn’t exist
@@vintagemonte if, if, if. If someone didn't exist... the nba story is full of ifs. If Wilt didn't have to play aganst Russell's Celtics, he would've more rings. If Krause didn't built the two perfect (within salary constraints) teams around Michael, he would not be the goat. Curry was the system KD benefited from. If KD did not the on the 3pt line, but he did....
Durant's a great player. But he's not that guy. But also a funny thing... if I imagine a Jordan & James on the same team (in the NBA, not Olympics, etc.), they could play together. Obviously they would do great in the Olympics and stuff but a full season is more intense and tough. And I think they'd thrive because they're just that different. AND I think LeBron would be even BETTER than he was if he could deal with playing with a guy so obsessed with winning.
What a prime lebron and MJ duo would be insane. I also think it would benefit LeBron more and would end the Goat debate with LeBron being clearly better.
@@kaseemburr4825Advanced analytics prove LeBron is not clearly better, buddy -_-
Great take my brother
As a Washingtonian i cant stand arenas & this lil sample size shows i aint missing much. Now i will be back to checkout vids from this channel.
It’s only LeBron and Jordan in the debate. No matter how much lebron haters want to hate, it’s only them 2.
Kobe
@@tracyswrld6331Kobe not even the best laker.
@@kaseemburr4825 definitely was. Who was then?
@@tracyswrld6331 magic.
@@tracyswrld6331 Magic, Kareem and Kobe toss up, but they're all Top 5 anyway imo so who cares
“I’m gonna wait until their careers are finished before I compare” as if Jordan wasn’t the consensus goat his 3rd year in the league. Saying you need to wait for lebron to finish his career is all you need to say. They’re admitting he’s not the goat. Nobody was saying “let’s wait for Jordan to finish his career before we say he’s better than Kareem.” No. He was recognized as the greatest player ever after his 3rd season. And then he went on to play 12 more seasons and win 6 finals MVPs
You just lied 😂 and very confidently they were cooking Jordan for having no rings and just looking to be a scorer
@user-lh8zz6st5r. He didn't lie at all. Most players, coaches, and fans considered Jordan the best they gad ever seen BEFORE he won a title. The MINORITY of critics and the media got fully on board with it after his first chip. Then he won 5 more....
Video two of asking for what the great instrumental music you use on your main channel is.
Most (not all) of hate come from bron fans they feel the most threatened by kd ..and constantly bring up golden state as if Miami never happened or going back to Cleveland with teaming up with additional players never happened....the reality is ( not my opinion) by reality no one can stop kd...hes getting his shot off over anyone and hes historically efficient again not my opinion...these are facts
Broooo how you can have KD before Curry
MJ really is the clear pick
6 rings in 15 seasons
10 scoring titles
DPOY
Two 3peats
Always available, 82 games almost every season, huge impact
Clear GOAT
Against the worst comp in modern day history
@@BIGJERSEY908this is such a lie. Whoever is your GOAT say that don’t spread false narratives.
@@hmmmmmm6901 fact. Imagine playing Jeff hormacekx2 Richard Dumas clyde Byron Scott and Hershey Hawkins.
@@BIGJERSEY908 facts. Imagine playing Chucky atkins, Caron butler. Anton jamison,awvee storey, Kevin cato,speedy claxton etc what a bum
@@hmmmmmm6901 this fake so thats how I know what it is lol. Foh
KD is one of those dudes that acts like he doesn’t care but secretly does.
could show us your updated top 10 list? You showed the list years ago but you said you changed the order
KD and Melo are delusional
KD is not the GOAT, why are you mad? Especially with what he did leaving OKC for the GSW, he will never fully get the respect he is looking for. The only way people will love and respect KD again is if he goes back to OKC and wins a title with them.
Even taking that into consideration if he went back now it would be wack considering how good OKC is rn after their rebuild
Bro there’s no way u said that a player will be the goat if they are respected it don’t matter how kd got his rings respect shouldn’t take him out I agree he not in the conversation but respect is silly to me lol
@@destinedforgreatness3030not running from the grind definitely adds to your legacy.
It's one reason why people shit on lebron. Hell I know laker fans that still don't respect the guy.
People’s love ain’t done shxt for nobody . Hate you today love you tomorrow 😂 if you think kd is looking for love you’re delusional. Dude just made statement
@@wrought-ironheroEMIYAwhat do y’all want lmao 😂
Top 5 all time
1.Robert Horry
2.Brian Scalabrine
3.Rik Smits
4.Theo Ratliff
5.Bruce Bowen
A magic city hoodie is crazy 😂
@footonthelineNBA I just think it’s all subjective. Most NBA players care about rings but others care about skill and what it lead too or even how it looked like. Consistency matters though because for every argument you can make for one, 5 others make the same argument. I have Kobe as the greatest because I just think his skill set is unlike any other. 06 Kobe is closest thing
You can get to a complete ball player, but that’s just my pov and I can make the same argument for 92-93 Jordan and 2012-13 lebron. It’s all about consistency
How about 2002-03 Tim Duncan and 1999-00 (or 1994-95) Shaq?
Exactly what I’m talking about. Completely Forgot about those two as well. That’s the whole point. One argument for one can be made for at least 3-5 others on the list
And I wouldn’t necessarily say complete b-ball players for those guys but it’s up there as their best ever seasons
But Kobe skill set is literally a worse mj
Kobe isn’t in goat conversation
Kobe is the conversation
Ydkb at all
Kobe is in the conversation hating ass mf
Low put it plainly. The only two criteria that matter is skill and winning. Even though winning is still team related and that's where it get's complex in determining which player had a greater impact toward those W's. i.e. Shaq/Kobe, KD/Curry, Lebron/Wade or Jordan/Pippen, you can probably see which players had the biggest effect and better skill set of those combos.
And what really solidifies the debate is when you cross reference players across those combos i.e. is Curry better than Pippen (and extend it to their whole team). Basically how much help (which all players need) did you get to obtain all those wins. If you had 3 or even 4 stars together then you can't put the player who won with all of that above those who won with less or even less superior talent. Forget all the coulda woulda shoulda talk and look at what happened. Still heavily simplified but I'd start there
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My personal Top 10:
1. MJ
2. Bron
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Tim Duncan
6. Magic
7. Larry
8. Shaq
9. Curry
10. Hakeem
I don’t agree but I respect yo opinion
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KD is not in the GOAT conversation. Hell he isn’t even in the conversation of being the best player in his position. He actually is the clear cut 3rd best SF 😭, and he thinks he should belong in the goat convo. Jordanstans call LeBron delusional for calling himself the goat, what do they have to say about this man ?
Low was not letting that aura comment slide 🤣🤣🤣
It needs to be looked at as “greatest” which is titles, awards & achievements, and “best” which is skill…
Biggest KD hater in the world right here lmfaooo anytime LOW CAN jump on KD's sack he will shit is highkey sad; there hasnt been a single year where LOW HASNT come after KD for some shit like who cares bruh just watch this amazing sport, the amazing stars, and stfu
yoo kd whats good😂
@@fiji_g0d Get off of Tubby's beef if someone was shitting on the way you do your job every damn year you'd be tight to, but you a lil ass teenager i dont expect you to get it
😂😂😂 KD burner eh??
@@asdasd1111ish How long yal bozos gonna recycle the same bumass joke check my page clearly not KD lmfao
Why you on NBA CZcams if you don’t want these conversations? You stfu dum-dum
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Low eating 🥜
LOW keep uploading please
I like the point you raise about how people learn how to have these conversations from those in sports media (I wouldn't just lay it at the feet of former players though, as I think people like Skip Bayless, Stephen A. Smith and co haven't helped either. in fact I would argue that cohort are even more to blame because I believe former players learnt from them in order to survive in the sports media landscape) The standard of sports conversation even in everyday life has taken a nosedive in my opinion.
Everyone seems to talk about sports as if they're on a podcast trying to boost its engegement by having deliberate bad takes, and insisting on speaking on things they don't have enough information to speak on. It's soooooo weird. I genuinely have conversations with people not just about basketball but soccer as well (I'm from the UK, so calling 'football' that nonsense word hurt me just now, just know that) and I will see sooo many inconsistencies in their arguments I struggle to even understand what they actually believe in, or how they see the game. At which point, I start looking around the room for the cameras or podcast mics they must have hidden in the room. Soo many normal ass people talk about these things now like they're trying to make content
Also, I hope KD knows not being the G.O.A.T doesn't mean you can't be widely respected and loved. Carmelo and A.I are prime examples
Gil been pretty consistent he always looked at the entire body of work accolades stats rings etc to determine his goat while also saying his truth that culturally in amarkwtimg perspective that no one can reach Jordan so it's a race for number 2 he separated the 2 things from on court performance and cultural icon and has barely ever shifted from that. McCants on the other hand is all over the place all the time
My only problem with this is we could literally do the same thing Low did and make a video of his contradictions lol.
In all retrospect I agree with u
Stats tell us the most, frankly. Postseason stats relative to league averages, that is. This isn't everything, but it's the most valid argumentative framework. Within that, there's room for more subjectivity regarding how you're weighting different stats (wins/success, production as a percentage of team, efficiency, longevity, prime, clutch, etc.) before cross-referencing them. Regular season stuff doesn't matter by virtue of its nature. Awards decided by voters definitely don't matter when they can often be disproven thoroughly with statistics. But this is how you honestly engage with the question: you use the numbers that provide data accounting for what happens in a basketball game during the postseason relative to league average, and you maintain a static interpretive framework. Would be very easy to make an algorithm, if you feel so inclined.
Also doesn't need to be a strict body of work basis, you can use stats to somewhat account for active players' trajectories by projection. Of course things happen and projections change so you can't put too much stock in it, but pace still matters in and of itself.
Aren’t sports about stats and accolades and then skills that’s should be the only thing that matters
LOW with the W insight once again
KD has the argument for greatest villain of all time.
It's all about the chips, and to win those u need a great team. No matter how good u r without a great team you won't have any chips, just as Damian.
Then bill Russell is the goat
LOW FINISHED ME WITH THIS ONE
A debate doesn’t just have to be 2 people think about the presidential debates
Kobe was never in the debate y’all only put him there because he died I wasn’t hearing anything of that goat talk
LOWs take here was F🔥I🔥R🔥E...
I agree with you Low as far as these goat convos, and even your main point on the lack of consistency as to why so and so player belongs is the goat or top 10. I do not believe KD has done enough and impacted his team enough to be in that convo. Even though he was one of the greatest players I have ever seen play basketball. I just don’t understand the inconsistencies between KD and a lot of fans of the game. One minute KD wants to just hoop and play the game, and these list do not mean anything, the next minute I wanna be in these goat convos. Also, a lot of fans and media hold and discredit his time tenure with the warriors, even though he was their best player in the finals, yet nobody discredits Lebron’s tenure with the heat and what accomplished with the heat. That time with Heat, the media, and what Lebron has achieved individually has been essential to putting him in the convo.
So glad somebody finally shut that shit down. Sick of all the “what do we mean by conversation” shit, whatever you consider that he’s not in it.
Gil Articulated it perfectly imo
Low spittin
Im sticking to there's more than One or two Goat and whatever order you have
This is the two goats never have to debate😂 we do that for them meanwhile KD in spaces pleading his case
Somebody please educate Rashard Mccants
I may be trippen but the only reason I feel that KD isn’t in this conversation is because he happened to play in the same era as LeBron. It’d honestly would be really heard to make an argument if he had played in the era before Jordan or after Bron.
man i’m bout to hit the club again
To me the goat is MJ. Not just stats bt6he changed the game. Everyone wanted be like Mike.
Curry and kawhi are my goats