Wow, $130 for a cartridge/converter pen and no converter? It really surprises me that some pen companies will charge over $100+ and still don't provide a converter. I do enjoy the looks of the pen but at that price point it's just a no go, I own a delike brass which is heavily "inspired" by the liliput but in my opinion it's far superior. I did enjoy your review of the pen though and hope to see more videos coming, keep up the good work.
Thank you for the comment! I agree a converter would be nice. I do not think any Kaweco pens come with the converter included. The same goes for Lamy. I've never heard of Delike before but that pen does look very similar to the Liliput and for a very reasonable price. What makes it superior in your opinion?
@@BlakesBroadcast Some advantages the delike has over the liliput is the use of a #5 nib while the liliput uses a semi-propietary #4 nib, a free convert an while it's proprietary they're cheaper than standard international, it's slightly bigger than the liliput and is capable of being used without posting, I won't claim the brass is stronger but it sure feels sturdy, and it's cheaper. A few complaints are the lack of nib choices only coming with an EF, Fine, and bent/Waverly Fine which is similar to a Fine-Medium, the extra size does kinda make the cap a little back heavy for people with medium sized hands (like myself) but it works well unposted, and the converter rattles if you tap the body but no one's going to be doing that purposefully so it's pretty unnoticeable.
@@i.c.3157 A disadvantage is that you get a lot more bad nibs with the Delike. It's also one more ripoff pen. To me, and even bigger disadvantage is where it's made. I don't like my money going to support one of the most evil nations on the planet. It seems everyone talks about how important human rights are, how horrible the abuses can be, but when it comes to cheap fountain pens, all else is forgotten. Just my two cents worth, and for me only. Your mileage may vary.
@@jamesaritchie1 Most of the nibs I got from delike were meh, neither bad nor good an while the pen may be just another ripoff, I don't really mind. As for the whole 'where's its made thing', that's kinda of a red herring as it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the pen rather it's more of a moral question. It would as if I saw someone commenting about purchasing leather goods and then asking them why would they support an industry that relies on the abuse, torture, exploitation, and death of animals. This is more of a moral argument rather than an arguement towards the product itself.
That was my school foundation pen. I really like it. Comfortable, reliable. Nowadays I prefer the AL-Star, because having the Safari design in metal is perfect.
I like your reviewing style, especially that you measure and weigh the pen. I have the Supra in both versions and agree that it's a good pen. But I came to the conclusion that all the screwing is too is counterproductive for actually using it as a pocket pen (That's what Kaweco was going for with the extension thing - making it even more pocketable). I'm only using my Supras in the full length unposted configuration.
Hi Hugh, thank you comment! I too only use the Supra in its full length configuration. I don't carry fountain pens in my pockets...doesn't seem worth the risk to me.
@@BlakesBroadcast An awful lot of people do carry fountain pens in their pockets. I've been doing so for more than fifty years, and nothing has ever gone wrong. And with a brass pen, you might lose it, but you won't damage it. I don't worry about it. I don't like lugging a pen case everywhere I go, and I hate carrying a pen in my shirt pocket, assuming I even have a shirt pocket. I have the Kaweco Brass Sport, and I drop it in my pocket during the summer when I have fewer pockets. The Supra is only &94.70 on Amazon. It's tempting to buy one, but the Sport serves me perfectly. Well, maybe down the line. When going somewhere that means I'll have long writing sessions, or where I think ZI might need more than one color of ink, I often clip a couple of extra pens to my pants pocket. These pens are often far more expensive than a Supra. I want to use my pens, and this means having them with me. What I don't want to do is lug along anything I don't need to have. Pen cases have always seemed a much bigger risk to me. They get laid down, misplaced, lost, or stolen. Then you lose more than one pen. This doesn't mean I never use pen cases. I often do out of pure necessity. But I don't worry about any risk. I take normal precautions, which, to me, just means is more about watching the people around me than worrying directly about my pens. Anyway, these are called "pocket pens" for a reason, and this is what they do best. I don't see the point in owning one if you aren't going to carry it in your pocket? I have a lot of very good pens I can carry in other ways. I like almost all of them better than my Brass Sport.
I have found that when I write I will have moments where I just sit with my pen ready but not writing, because of this I prefer using pens unposted so I can rest the tip in the cap to prevent it drying out since some of my ink dries quite quickly. I really like the idea of getting a liliput or supra to go with my portable watercolor set though since it is so compact.
I don't have that Kaweco, but I have talked to a couple of people who do. They like being able to make it shorter for carrying purposes, not for writing. It's lighter in a pocket when shortened, and it fits in pockets and purses that are more troublesome when it isn't shortened. I haven't tried it personally, but this does seem to be a worthwhile advantage.
Hi James, it is good to hear that people like to use the pen that shorter form factor. I transport my pens in a pen case so the smaller size and weight isn't that helpful for me but I can see it being a nice feature for people who carry it in their pocket or purse.
I have a Kaweco Lilliput, but the Supra seems like a more practical pen. My Liliput is a bit too narrow to write with comfortably for very long. However, I like the length of the Liliput. As someone who likes to post my pens, I would probably prefer to use the Supra without the middle section.
If like to post then I would definitely recommend removing the mid section. With the mid section gone you still have a full-size grip section and a big #6 nib in a small package. I wish Kaweco would bring more of the Lilliput materials/finishes to the Supra. I would love to have a copper one or a waved brass one.
I didn´t know that the middle section is removeable but for me it makes the supra even more interesting as an edc pen. Just because it seems to be possible to reach the tinyness of the liliput but having a #6 nib.
I have been using a Supra brass for a few months and it’s a very robust EDC fountain pen. The only shortcoming is the lack of a pocket clip for more convenient everyday carry.
Just out of curiosity, how long did you have this before you filmed your review? I'm trying to consider the patina and weather or not I'll like the patina or hate it and be constantly polishing it. I already have a supra in steel and I like it so much I was considering a second. Brass or another steel is the question..
Because I have a lot of pens it is hard for me to assess how long it took to arrive at the current patina. I have had the pen for about 5 years but I would say on average I run 1-2 (short international) cartridges through it a year...I get very good mileage with this pen because of the EF nib. I can't make any recommendations in terms of polishing nor patina acceleration as I have not tried either. I will say that the pen is very pretty when new (not sure how hard it would be to return my pen to that state). I would also consider the weight difference as brass is heavier.
@@BlakesBroadcast I put it on my wish list and continued to debate until today when I spotted it on Amazon for $60 w/ free shipping and it had to be had.
Hi, thank you for the video! Do you know the liliput converter’s capacity? (Same converter one must use for Supra in it’s shorter size) Thank you again
According to JetPens the converter holds 0.5ml: www.jetpens.com/Kaweco-Mini-Fountain-Pen-Converter/pd/15443#index=1 If you use cartridges you get around 0.7ml.
Wow, $130 for a cartridge/converter pen and no converter? It really surprises me that some pen companies will charge over $100+ and still don't provide a converter. I do enjoy the looks of the pen but at that price point it's just a no go, I own a delike brass which is heavily "inspired" by the liliput but in my opinion it's far superior. I did enjoy your review of the pen though and hope to see more videos coming, keep up the good work.
Thank you for the comment! I agree a converter would be nice. I do not think any Kaweco pens come with the converter included. The same goes for Lamy.
I've never heard of Delike before but that pen does look very similar to the Liliput and for a very reasonable price. What makes it superior in your opinion?
@@BlakesBroadcast Some advantages the delike has over the liliput is the use of a #5 nib while the liliput uses a semi-propietary #4 nib, a free convert an while it's proprietary they're cheaper than standard international, it's slightly bigger than the liliput and is capable of being used without posting, I won't claim the brass is stronger but it sure feels sturdy, and it's cheaper. A few complaints are the lack of nib choices only coming with an EF, Fine, and bent/Waverly Fine which is similar to a Fine-Medium, the extra size does kinda make the cap a little back heavy for people with medium sized hands (like myself) but it works well unposted, and the converter rattles if you tap the body but no one's going to be doing that purposefully so it's pretty unnoticeable.
@@i.c.3157 A disadvantage is that you get a lot more bad nibs with the Delike. It's also one more ripoff pen. To me, and even bigger disadvantage is where it's made.
I don't like my money going to support one of the most evil nations on the planet. It seems everyone talks about how important human rights are, how horrible the abuses can be, but when it comes to cheap fountain pens, all else is forgotten.
Just my two cents worth, and for me only. Your mileage may vary.
@@jamesaritchie1 Most of the nibs I got from delike were meh, neither bad nor good an while the pen may be just another ripoff, I don't really mind.
As for the whole 'where's its made thing', that's kinda of a red herring as it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the pen rather it's more of a moral question.
It would as if I saw someone commenting about purchasing leather goods and then asking them why would they support an industry that relies on the abuse, torture, exploitation, and death of animals. This is more of a moral argument rather than an arguement towards the product itself.
That was my school foundation pen. I really like it. Comfortable, reliable. Nowadays I prefer the AL-Star, because having the Safari design in metal is perfect.
The AL Star is a great pen too. I always gravitate towards the Safari though.
I like your reviewing style, especially that you measure and weigh the pen. I have the Supra in both versions and agree that it's a good pen. But I came to the conclusion that all the screwing is too is counterproductive for actually using it as a pocket pen (That's what Kaweco was going for with the extension thing - making it even more pocketable). I'm only using my Supras in the full length unposted configuration.
Hi Hugh, thank you comment! I too only use the Supra in its full length configuration. I don't carry fountain pens in my pockets...doesn't seem worth the risk to me.
@@BlakesBroadcast An awful lot of people do carry fountain pens in their pockets. I've been doing so for more than fifty years, and nothing has ever gone wrong. And with a brass pen, you might lose it, but you won't damage it.
I don't worry about it. I don't like lugging a pen case everywhere I go, and I hate carrying a pen in my shirt pocket, assuming I even have a shirt pocket. I have the Kaweco Brass Sport, and I drop it in my pocket during the summer when I have fewer pockets.
The Supra is only &94.70 on Amazon. It's tempting to buy one, but the Sport serves me perfectly. Well, maybe down the line.
When going somewhere that means I'll have long writing sessions, or where I think ZI might need more than one color of ink, I often clip a couple of extra pens to my pants pocket. These pens are often far more expensive than a Supra.
I want to use my pens, and this means having them with me. What I don't want to do is lug along anything I don't need to have. Pen cases have always seemed a much bigger risk to me. They get laid down, misplaced, lost, or stolen. Then you lose more than one pen.
This doesn't mean I never use pen cases. I often do out of pure necessity. But I don't worry about any risk. I take normal precautions, which, to me, just means is more about watching the people around me than worrying directly about my pens.
Anyway, these are called "pocket pens" for a reason, and this is what they do best. I don't see the point in owning one if you aren't going to carry it in your pocket? I have a lot of very good pens I can carry in other ways. I like almost all of them better than my Brass Sport.
I have found that when I write I will have moments where I just sit with my pen ready but not writing, because of this I prefer using pens unposted so I can rest the tip in the cap to prevent it drying out since some of my ink dries quite quickly. I really like the idea of getting a liliput or supra to go with my portable watercolor set though since it is so compact.
I don't have that Kaweco, but I have talked to a couple of people who do. They like being able to make it shorter for carrying purposes, not for writing. It's lighter in a pocket when shortened, and it fits in pockets and purses that are more troublesome when it isn't shortened. I haven't tried it personally, but this does seem to be a worthwhile advantage.
Hi James, it is good to hear that people like to use the pen that shorter form factor. I transport my pens in a pen case so the smaller size and weight isn't that helpful for me but I can see it being a nice feature for people who carry it in their pocket or purse.
I have a Kaweco Lilliput, but the Supra seems like a more practical pen. My Liliput is a bit too narrow to write with comfortably for very long. However, I like the length of the Liliput. As someone who likes to post my pens, I would probably prefer to use the Supra without the middle section.
If like to post then I would definitely recommend removing the mid section. With the mid section gone you still have a full-size grip section and a big #6 nib in a small package.
I wish Kaweco would bring more of the Lilliput materials/finishes to the Supra. I would love to have a copper one or a waved brass one.
I like the Supra over the Liliput because it is thicker. When I use the Liliput it is so thin, my hands cramp when I use it for too long.
I agree! Still my favorite modern Kaweco pen.
my most favorite pen of all time.
Thanks for the comment Pam! The Supra is excellent.
I didn´t know that the middle section is removeable but for me it makes the supra even more interesting as an edc pen. Just because it seems to be possible to reach the tinyness of the liliput but having a #6 nib.
I definitely recommend the Supra over the Liliput because you get the better nib and it can be made quite small.
I have been using a Supra brass for a few months and it’s a very robust EDC fountain pen. The only shortcoming is the lack of a pocket clip for more convenient everyday carry.
Thanks for the comment Manish! I love the Supra. Kaweco did come out with a pocket clip for the Supra that you can add to you pen for about $6.
So Kaweco adds an extra inch from the sewage pipe they salvaged for free to the pen and triple the price for it.
That's how it goes with larger pens.
It´s a very interesting alternative, thanks.
You are welcome!
Heavy? absolutely, but a great all terrain FP tool. The nib it´s awesome.
I agree that the nib is great. It's still my favorite Kaweco and I've had quite a few of their pens.
Just out of curiosity, how long did you have this before you filmed your review? I'm trying to consider the patina and weather or not I'll like the patina or hate it and be constantly polishing it. I already have a supra in steel and I like it so much I was considering a second. Brass or another steel is the question..
Because I have a lot of pens it is hard for me to assess how long it took to arrive at the current patina. I have had the pen for about 5 years but I would say on average I run 1-2 (short international) cartridges through it a year...I get very good mileage with this pen because of the EF nib.
I can't make any recommendations in terms of polishing nor patina acceleration as I have not tried either. I will say that the pen is very pretty when new (not sure how hard it would be to return my pen to that state).
I would also consider the weight difference as brass is heavier.
@@BlakesBroadcast I put it on my wish list and continued to debate until today when I spotted it on Amazon for $60 w/ free shipping and it had to be had.
@@dgtlsthlrd Congrats! It is a great pen. I hope you will like it.
Hi, thank you for the video!
Do you know the liliput converter’s capacity? (Same converter one must use for Supra in it’s shorter size)
Thank you again
According to JetPens the converter holds 0.5ml: www.jetpens.com/Kaweco-Mini-Fountain-Pen-Converter/pd/15443#index=1
If you use cartridges you get around 0.7ml.
Blake's Broadcast thanks!