Let's talk about the SSPX
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- čas přidán 24. 11. 2022
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is the sspx a viable option for mass?
The reason why I'm doing this video is twofold.
First, this is a question that I'm asking myself. because I'm coming to a point in my spiritual life where I feel the Latin ass is better, far better than novus ordo mass for several reasons
Not the least of which is the fact that I raised all four of my children in the Novus ordo, the two oldest having attended to Catholic schools, and they all four left the faith
I believe that the reason that this happened is because the novus ordo church so to speak does not teach the Catholic faith.
I grew up in the Novus Ordo and left the Church. It was very empty spiritually. I recently came back because I discovered the TLM.
The SSPX is absolutely necessary.. it is essential for the proper formation of Catholics. I feel so blessed to have discovered the Latin Mass- Im horrified at the NO that I had normally accepted. I had no idea what I was missing for years. May the legions of angels and saints in heaven help us fight for the SSPX now!!
As if 🙃 The sspx is fairly recent but the church has existed for a millenia, catechized and formed excellent catholics since pentecost without them. So its safe to say thyre not that important
Your experience echoes mine exactly. Raised as an altar boy in the NO , stopped going to mass hardly. Attend my first Latin mass at an SSPX chapel and return to the Catholic faith with zeal. Only to discover a rift within the faith where people want me to attend the rite that I left instead of the beautiful reverent one. When you go down the rabbit hole , you begin to understand your faith better , catechize yourself properly , understand the history , I'll never go back to the NO.
You can discover the Latin Mass without going to a illicit and honestly schismatic group.
Thanks for this info. I have had the same questions & debate about the SSPX myself. Both of my kids are no longer practicing Catholics (raised in the NO) & that breaks my heart. Also 3 of my siblings left the Church for other Christian churches (albeit "conservative" churches). I stopped going to NO regularly after covid. I could not stand the fear of everyone masking & no Communion on the tongue. I am blessed to have an FSSP church locally and feel like I have learned so much about my faith just in the last couple of years, especially about indulgences (you seldom hear about those in NO church). I agree that NO is a viable option, especially a Mass that tends to be more reverent. But to me, TLM is just a more superior setting in which to offer worship to God.
The Lord led us to the SSPX last year. Our spiritual life has grown significantly because of it. Satan hates the SSPX because they still hold to the True Magisterium regarding the priesthood. They are under attack every so often, every time they get "popular". Their fruits show they have an astounding amount of graces flowing through them. Follow the fruit.
You think the SSPX gets attacked watch this.. become a sedevacantist. it's the only true Catholic position. In matters of faith and morals you cannot resist the Pope. And it's only a matter of time and the SSPX is going to lead you right back into the Novus ordos bosom. Our Blessed Lord said you cannot serve 2 masters. So the questions. Is the new rite of consecrating bishops valid? Are the priests sspx accepts from the novus ordo really priests?, are the cookie masses, and the clown masses, and the polka masses catholic? And if so despite your feelings you have no grounds to resist them and choose a mass that feels good to you.
@@DT-cz2sl The holy father is an abusive father but I will not abondon my family because of him. In matters of faith and morals I cannot resist those things that align with God's will for my soul, yet if the holy father resists his responsibility to the Lord, and wills me to sin, then I am obligated to resists him for the sake of the Lord. Let us pray for the holy father, that he repents before he faces just judgment, and remain within the Church Jesus founded.
@@InHerHonor so the question is can a true Pope teach error. The answer prior to 1960 was no. Before they could God would strike them dead or dumb. The last HOLY father we had was Pope pius xii.
@@DT-cz2sl The last Holy father was Pius the XII? And who declared this? Let the Lord work according to His time, woman.
@@InHerHonor woman? The lord is working. I see it in all the youth that are in our parish. It's beautiful an humbling.
Look around your church and look around ours. Yours is protestant at best. You have the building's. We have the church.
11:43 please avoid the Novus Ordo Mass at all costs.
12:20 it was extremely disobedient of Study Group 10, in Concilium, to change the Catholic liturgy into a protestant service, with a table, not an altar
Thank God! This has been the best talk about SSPX. I was w/ them 4 nearly 20 yrs but I began to see alot that wasn't right mind u it took me that long bc I did not want to go back 2 NO Mass ; however thanks to my daughter who kept insisting that we stay w/ the church of Peter thankfully we ended up w/ FSSP in Colo. Praise God. Now I'm back in NO w/ good solid Order priests S.O L.T. but I still prefer Latin Mass. I totally agree the NO is very watered down esp toward the belief in the "True Presence " let us pray 4 our Church 2 go back to the Mass of Ages & our beautiful Authentic Catholic Faith!🙏
Can you offer some examples of what you speak of regarding the SSPX?
The SSPX was canonically erected. Please read the biography of the Archbishop.
It was erected as a pious union with an expiration date and was then suppressed.
No it absolutely was not
@@FranzBazar yes it absolutely was. Actually the only thing that was in error according to church law was V2. to this day it is still unsigned by any Pope.
Sspx was approved by bishop of friburg, and never revocated.
I can no longer deny the SSPX. You put it perfectly in the intro to this video. Modernism in the Church has given us no reason to be Catholic. Either God came to us as Jesus Christ and showed us explicitly what to do and how to live, establishing His Church, or “everything’s ok no matter what you do and don’t worry about it.” The SSPX is playing a vital role in preserving and protecting the Church Our Lord established. God be with us as the Church slowly crucifies itself, hopefully leading to a resurrection and ascension vs annihilation and dissension.
This brother blames NO for loss of faith of his children, yet he would not mind taking them to NO mass ‘if no other option was available’. He also attends predominantly NO mass. How is this a consistent position? I would posit that it was precisely this inconsistency among so many Catholics which allowed NO to proliferate and eventually to take over!!! ‘Let your yes be yes and no be no!’ Once you recognize something as being a truth, you must adjust your behavior accordingly!
The SSPX was the only Catholic Mass available to me during the "c word" nonsense as well. IMO that speaks volumes
At the risk of lecturing, and hoping for this channel's author's understanding, I would like to add to the question of Sede as it is an important and often misunderstood topic. I think the reason why the Dimond brothers find sympathy among so many is due to their well articulated arguments. Let's remember however that being articulate does not mean that one is wise or correct. Many of our current "leaders" are also articulate. Some more than others.
As I've mentioned earlier, their arguments can make sense, especially to those who are weak in their faith, poorly catechized or have general issues with authority.
In the end it all ends in tragedy. After Christ's death and ascension to Heaven there was ONE Church. Then the first major schism produced the Orthodox Church and now the ONE Catholic Church had already experienced a split and a loss of many faithful. 500 years ago another major split happened due to disobedience and what was left of the Catholic Church at the time once again hemorrhaged and many faithful were lost.
All this isn't in any way, shape or form different from what the Dimond brothers are doing. They are again taking matters into their own hands, without any authority given to them and splitting the Church. Just like SSPX, though the author correctly points out is not formally in schism, but it is in irregular standing with Rome, we end up with SSPV, the Dimonds and ultimately it leads to utter nut jobs such as the "palmarian church", a sect, which has it's own pope, it's own rites and is really nothing more than the ape of the true Catholic Church. I would actually urge anyone interested to look them up here on YT and see what disobedience can lead to.
If anyone is thinking of leaving the ONE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH for another so called "catholic" order, I would sincerely like to remind you that you have EVERY right to charitably oppose and correct any current Pope who strays from teaching the truth of the Catholic dogma, in fact, it's our duty. What we cannot do, under any circumstance is to take matters into our own hands and declare Popes invalid and form or join other "catholic" orders because Christ never gave us the permission to do so. Ultimately it leads to yet more schisms, break ups, lack of clarity, rebellion and sects such as the "palmarian catholic church" which only serves in the weakening of the true faith and loss of souls. And in the end, I ask you. Is it worth it? After you leave and join some sect, the Pope will still be Pope until God decides to replace him and your soul will be endangered.
Things weren't exactly peachy prior to VII, so let's not panic and pretend to be doctors of the Church. We've had Popes who fathered children, Popes who put corpses on trial and yet those times came and went. God dealt with it because it's his Church. Whatever is happening in the Church now sucks, no doubt. It also sucks on a battlefield when and incompetent general gives senseless orders, but you don't flee the field to join an army of folks who are just as incompetent. Trust God. He knows what He's doing, we don't.
God Bless.
Brothers and sisters, I have lived a completely selfish life and I know I am on the wide road. Our Lady of Fatima says it is a great act of charity to help our brothers and sisters get to Heaven. We are after all our brothers keeper. Please if you could help me get to Heaven by keeping offering up your daily Rosaries and offering up your daily sacrifices and crosses to help me make reparation for my sins and for the salvation of my soul. It is a great act of charity! Please do not forget about me but help me to get to Heaven. Thank you brothers and sisters!
The real mass was in aramaic ... jesus did real mass in aramaic...
How come nobody brings that up
I follow that mass its more powerful than latin mass! Everyine needs to go to mass and be holy.
Im comverted protestant.cant believe people follow the anti catholic internet over cathecism...
God bless pray for me
@@bestlogic9543 I have lived a very horrible life please pray for me and offer up penances for mysalvation. Thank you brother!
Will most definitely do. You should strive to keep the Faith and struggle to remain with Christ. Whatever it is you're going through is surmountable as long as you've willed to do better and ask for Christ's help and our Lady's intercession. You cannot willfully stay in mortal sin and rely on other's intercession. May God bless you.
I once heard a priest at a novus Ordo mass give a homily about what Jesus saves us from, he mentioned sadness, heartache, and despair, and babbled on for fifteen minutes about all that, not once did he mention hell or death. That priest knew better than anyone that 99% of people in the novus Ordo church are just mindlessly going through the motions and don’t bother to do any study on their own, and all those people left church that day thinking they got a comprehensive list of what Jesus saves us from, and hell and death were not in that list.
I began attending masses offered by the SSPX in 2017 in their new seminary in Dillwyn Virginia. As an old retired police detective l just had to investigate and see for myself what all the fuss was about. I found an organization that was Catholic in every sense of the word. They pray for and honor the pope. There has never been within my hearing any pope bashing whatsoever. I hear solid traditional teaching and see reverent worship. I found no boogie men out there and nothing that smacked of heresy. My thoughts are Satan just can't stand that they are keeping the Catholic faith of all time and passing it on. No wonder even some traditional groups dislike them; it is the old game plan of Satan to divide and conquer. God bless the holy SSPX and thank you for the fairness you have given to this topic.
Lex orandi, Lex credendi. If your still going to the NO then you really need to pay attention to the law of what you pray is the law of what you believe. Both tridentine mass and No are strikingly different.
Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre is the Saint Athanasius of our times.
Traditionis custodes made me a Latin Mass advocate. By that I mean I educated myself about the NO and now I see its shortcomings. It seems that Tc was in response to a misperception that Latin Mass attendees are all bad, reject the Pope or Vatican 2. That is a false characterization. I don’t know anyone who thinks that way. People who attend just prefer the Latin Mass. I’m very lucky, my Diocese allows the Latin Mass in two Diocesan parishes for now and the priests are very good at celebrating the Holy Sacrifice. Great video. God bless you.
It's important to clarify that the +Arch-Bishop had permission to consecrate the 4 bishops but Rome kept postponing the date He was to do it. The +Arch-Bishop felt like He had no choice but to go ahead because of His advanced age and so He did. Please research Fr. Hesse on these matters. He is a Canon Law lawyer and explains what authority the church has on what and what procedures are to be followed. The catholic church is not a dictatorship and freemasons can't infiltrate the church and "validly" start excommunicating Catholics because they want to...
I find it comical when the N.O. start sighting law to tear down tradition, yet according to that same law the N.O. is illicit. BUT, it is a highly complicated situation and takes so much research to fully understand. I got confused with it so many times myself. In the end it's important to note one little comment from God. By their fruits you shall know them...
Supplied Jurisdiction Bp. Tissier de Mallerais
“This is why when someone questions us for going to a traditional priest we say "Ecclesia supplet"-"the Church supplies,"-when the priest lacks jurisdiction. Another rule of Canon Law applies: "Salus animarum suprema lex"-"The supreme law is the salvation of souls." Consequently the Church supplies for an absence of jurisdiction. It is therefore not the good of the priest which is in question. It is not to reassure the priest that he has jurisdiction to hear confessions. It is the good of the faithful which matters. It is very important to understand this. It is for your own good that your priests receive a supplied jurisdiction, that is to say for the common good of the Church and not for the personal good of the priest.” The very purpose of supplied Jurisdiction is to benefit the faithful so that they may be saved.
And it is important to understand that unlike the Orthodox, the SSPX priests are not schismatic. The SSPX priests are perfectly Catholic because they are in communion with the Pope (Una Cum) but resist him because he teaches heresy. The ones who are in schism are the Conciliar Church. The Vatican II sect has cut off all ties with the Church of the past and no longer professes the true faith. They are a new religion with a new priesthood, new form of worship, new doctrines, and a new theology. (Speaking objectively). This is why when the Conciliar Church suspends the faculties of SSPX Churches, it doesn’t mean anything. A suspension for holding on to the true Catholic faith means absolutely nothing, especially when it is coming from a modernist hierarchy.
Here is what Archbishop Lefebvre had to say about the issue:
“No authority, not even the highest in the hierarchy, can compel us to abandon or diminish our Catholic Faith so clearly expressed and professed by the Church’s magisterium for nineteen centuries.” -Archbishop Lefebvre
-“So we are [to be] excommunicated by Modernists, by people who have been condemned by previous popes. So what can that really do? We are condemned by men who are themselves condemned...” (Press conference, Ecône, June 15 1988)
Yeah, no, you admit your boys left the faith (in part if not primarily) because of the NO liturgy and culture surrounding it, and you still maintain NO mass attendence is obligatory? That law of the Church is meant to bring us closer to God by giving Him his due in proper worship in liturgy, not to destroy our faith. The truth of it is that most NO (not all) are an affront to God because it lacks due justice and glory given to His sacrifice. The Church (mostly the older generation) needs to repent for squandering her patrimony and destroying the faith of innumerable people by offering a form of the mass that is objectively deficient and human-centric.
I'd recommend reading the good Bishop's biography to appreciate his service to God and the Church. It makes complete sense that the founder of the order would be venerated to the extent that he is. Would you have taken equal issue if a Dominican, or Franciscan, or Benedictine had a special cult/veneration, and quoted their founders often, in their time?
Other than that the video was decent and concise.
May God bless you.
Idk brother, I attend a Latin NO mass and it is packed every Sunday to the max and most women wear veils, they use incense, and say the St. Michael Prayer at the end of every mass. The Latin NO is how the NO was meant to be, and it's beautiful.
Please pray for Brazil. This is probably the most critical time in our history. If the man who was "elected" (like Biden was "elected" - it is even the same vote counting software) takes power, the country will go down the same dark path of Cuba and Venezuela. Pray that the good generals have the courage to say no. Thank you.
In my country the fsspx is one of the few masses in Latin. they do a tremendous job. outside of them there are very few (2 or 3) even further from my house.
I've recently decided I'll will mostly avoid novus ordo. I will absolutely attend sspx if it came down to it.
Amen!!!
There is no there there when it comes to the N.O. I consider Marcel Lefebvre a saint. One day he could be declared a doctor of the Church. This video was very well done video. Very balanced!! Many thanks 🙏🙏
In the 1960's, the Mass in every city and corner was the Latin Mass and the1962 missal was what was used (which the SSPX uses today). I and all my male cousins were teenagers then, and we were there. ALL of us lost the faith and went out to the world to have a good time with "free love". The Latin Mass did not save us. Today, I and all of my cousins are in their 70's and they and their children are still having a good time in the world and they will likely die that way. The Faith means absolutely nothing to them. The Latin Mass is not the end all be all some people make it to be. The end all be all is proper upbringing by parents who set the example by really LIVING the faith. Catholics lost the faith long ago (in the 1950's), and today for instance, in France less than 4% go to mass, and most of the attendees are older women, and the rest of Western Europe is no better. Brazil is the country with the largest Catholic population and less than 7% go to mass. The typical 'Catholic" parent at best sends their children to Catholic schools and lets others teach their children while they go to mass only when required, basically punching in their cards on Sunday for 1 hour. If the parents do not live the faith 24/7, the children will go one up on them.
You can't analyse the church by personal opinion that is what Protestants do, if you want to analyse the church such as sspx or any other you have to do it by church history not person opinion a good knowledge of church history tradition allows you to discern what is true and what is false it is the only way personal opinion doesn't come into it we have to conform our wills to that of Gods will we have to follow his commandments his rules and teaching not our own, we must accept all church teaching and traditions and hold them to be true without compromise there is no room for compromise in the Roman Catholic Church
You are entitled to your opinion. My personal preference would be for the liturgy as the apostles and the apostolic fathers celebrated it.
And what liturgy is that?
Francis included marriages as valid also.
With permission of the Diocesan bishop
It is valid.
@@1945yousef that's what I heard. Didn't hear anything about needing a bishop
In today's chaos, I believe it's entirely acceptable to satisfy one's Mass obligation at SSPX. The only caution I would give is that not everything they preach or do is necessarily the best or most prudent thing. Some of their adherents are just nuts, too, like with the NO, just a different branch of nuttiness. But the risk of something "systemically" in error is low, compared with the alternatives. They're the best of bad options if there's no FSSP available, though SSPX will often claim that FSSP and others are "tainted."
The sspx started out Ok under arch.b Lefebvre but now, bad predates snuck in and now in 2022 most sspx priests and or bishops are leading the parishioners back to the evil Pope Francis, now, this is according to Bishop Williamson videos, whom I personally trust
I believe with all my heart that the sspx "RESISTANCE" headed by Arch. Bishop Richard Williamson is the true faith. He resides in Kent England and has many videos. The evil people kicked him out (eccommunicated) him but my Latin Catholic faith is in his arms
Do not attend FSSX, they are Vatican approved aka evil Pope Francis approved. Stay away
Remember now, we are in a state of emergency as spoken by Catholic fr. Hesse videos, who I believe in, he says God must provide a proper Church within reasonable distance from your residence. You are not required to travel more than about 1 and one half hours driving time for mass. He says for Sunday obligation, pray the 15 decades rosary and do it daily , each day as an adult, children pray 5 decades. Look up his videos, he has many videos
I personally use st.pius 5 missel, sspx uses 1962vmissel. Fr . Hesse says 1962v missel is the bare minimum acceptable, the st. Pius 5 missel has less removed prayers. Thec1962 missel os OK but there are much better. I like much better, better than so so ok
Bishop Felley is a bad evil Bishop with the sspx according to Bishop Williamson whom I trust with my salvation. A sspx priestvtold mevovervthevtelephone early in Oct 2022 that Bishop Felley has been transferred to the USA. Pray 15vdecades rosary daily and no food after midnight if mass is in the morning I do the midnite thing. And at homecI pray 15
decades
Sspx prayer 5 decadesvin Church and they do not usecexorcized saltbon thevtonguevofvchildren, a sspx jesuit priestvtold mevafrercI asked him.
I'm stuck in a place with NO churches, most of them are rife with liturgical abuse. I really want to attend TLM mass, but an FSSP chapel is too far from my hometown, and there's no TLM nearby. What should I do?
Go to your local mass. It is still the mass and licit.
How far?
My family drives over 2 hours round trip to get to Mass. Im not saying you have to do that but it might be worth doing once a month. Or something like that.
I am not about disobeying the Pope who I believe has the promise and clear mandate of St. Peter. Having said that, I don’t understand why the pontificate doesn’t bring back the Latin Mass at least once a day in every parish, considering how many voices I hear crying out for it. Also considering how many group are in Schism or are courting Schism with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostalic Church. They could unite us so easily with one move.
I agree with you in several points but sadly i dont agree at all with the thing you said about Lefebvre and the disobedience. God bless you
I'm 69 and grew up in the pre-conciliar church, attended parochial school, was a Latin Mass altar boy, etc. I, too, notice the casual attitude in the NO masses I've attended. The attitude toward the Eucharist saddens me. I think much has to do with the failure of recent catechesis to inculcate the level of awe and reverence in the mind of the person.
Believe me, I am not better than your children, likely worse. The influences and temptations of the secular world are powerful. I grew saddened by what I had become and returned to the Catholic Church. Even so, I still struggle and fall. I pray that your children return, but with a much smoother landing!
Thank you
Are the SSPX allowed to reject V2 documents and statements that aren't dogmatic, such as claims about us worshipping the same God or that Jews are still Gods chosen people?
How about you?... how did you guide your children?... it is also your resposibility you know...
All the criticisms you site about the NOM and even the apparent heretical teachings you mention are NOT found in my local parish or in our community. We have good priests. I think the apostasy of many Catholics is a sign of our affluent times. I have no problem with someone attending a TLM. I went to one a while back though, reacquainting with it from my childhood (I was an altar boy), and found it wordy and unsatisfying. I prefer Mass in the vernacular. If you participate sincerely and reverently, pray it well, it is still very good. Both have their shortcomings. But, whatever leads you to holiness. I think the real issue here is not the form of the Mass or even Latin, but the perceived laxity and degeneration of many in the church and holding on to the TLM is one way of trying to fight back against this trend. It reminds us of former halcyon days when we new where we stood. No doubt though, TLM adherents are more pious and disciplined. I also want to add that I thoroughly enjoy your videos and I learn from them. Please keep up the good work.
By the way the 1962 mass was engineered by Archbishop Bugini who was responsible for the Novus ordo
Your videos should be part of catechist classes around this wasteland of a continent. This would be great material for catechists to play during their class and then expand on it for their students. I'm lucky enough to live close to an FSSP parish which I became a member of about 4 years ago after complete disillusionment with NO. The final straw was when after the homily during a kid Mass (they took kid Masses to a whole new different level), a nun ran to the sacristy, pressed the magic button and the kid choir (to the side of the altar) started singing some cringe song to the beat of electronic music pumped out of gigantic speakers. I got up and walked out. That was it. I said to God, you have to give me something better. There is no way that this is it. There has to be a more reverend way to do this. I did go to another Church immediately to make up for the unfinished Mass.The rest was a series of unexplained events which led me to an FSSP parish.
No, I do not think that attending NO is invalid or will send you to hell. That's ridiculous. As far as liturgy goes, I would venture to say that NO is "inferior" to the TLM but that depends on the priest. There are MANY wonderful priests whom I know, who celebrate the NO, and I still regularly confess to them, but the spiritual fruits of the TLM are endless in abundance when compared to the NO. I don't push my opinion any anyone else, just my personal observation and belief.
About a month ago due to very serious family circumstances I had to attend an NO Mass. Again, I only lasted to the end of the communion because it was (in my eyes) a circus and an offence towards God. Priest was dressed in a table cloth, just a green mumu with no sacred images or crosses, people praying with hands in their pockets, half chatting on FB (close enough for me to see), elevation of the Host done with one hand as if to show us a postcard of the Priest's last vacay and a communion that more resembled a smorgasboard. "Line up, get your plate and go back to your table" type.
And some people are outraged and in disbelief that 67% of polled Catholics no longer believe in the real presence. To me that was actually GOOD news! The way our Masses are being celebrated and the way the Holy Body of our Lord is "handed" out in a majority of today's Masses. I'm surprised it's only 67%!
I'm not sure how much longer God will allow this, but I have a feeling something is coming. No clue what, but something is coming.
Thanks for another great video and God Bless.
Thank you. I wish I had an fssp near me
I have NO, Diocesan tlm in close by town, and sspx.
@@imisschristendom5293 I hear you brother. I was EXTREMELY blessed in that way. I'll keep you in my prayers so that some day an FSSP parish opens near your location. Thank you for your mission.
Thank you
I attend an SSPX chapel. I asked myself this same question about 10 year ago. First, unless you are a fourth order SSPX, you are the laity and not a member of SSPX. You need to do what is best for the salvation of your soul and the souls of your family. You ask why not go to a diocesan Latin Mass....IMO, if there is a Novus Ordo in that church, then there is communion in the hand...therefore crumbs on the floor. If you believe in the real presence...then you should have a problem with that.
I’m a member of the SSPX and if the SSPX was excommunicated back in 1988 then why was the delegates from Rome and there was that came to his funeral according to Canaan law you cannot attend a funeral, other excommunicate Kennedy Hall of the Kennedy report Dr. Taylor Marshall have reported this information and I’m not making it up. I was seriously thinking at one point converting to orthodoxy but as it is us Catholics, we are the original orthodox. God bless brother continue good work and sorry to hear about your family especially your children, live in the faith my own two children who were members of the SSPX left the faith over the aspect of my wife and I having a divorce and they went with her so unfortunately, there was some information that was passed on which was negative from what I can see, I still pray for my wife, my ex-wife that is, and for my two children so thanks for your program.
I met a novus ordo monk who thinks we should at least hope there's no one in hell and that everyone will be saved.
Whenever I see this question or people bash someone for saying it I remember 1 Tim 2:4-5, “This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”Iisn’t God himself saying the same thing? My disagreement is that everyone will be saved if that’s what the monk said.
@@Spiritof76Catholic Sadly the monk believed no one was in hell, good man but very naive. Nearly every novus ordo Catholic I've met were cowards and fools who believed these things. One woman said 'We shouldn't be antagonistic towards others beliefs'. A boomer woman denounced Christ as the one true God.
Sad thing is that there are no one offering TLM in my area aside from the SSPX
There’s a reason for this. Why be sad?
@@rosannerossi6376 We have no more means of attending TLM in person.
@@losrevolucionarios8858 then live as Bishop Schneider did. His family went for years without a Mass! Look how Holy he is! There can be no compromise with the Mass. I was guilty of ignorance. Humbling myself to a woman’s roll in the traditional life of the church is so pleasant! I can’t describe the feeling of freedom I have now! No more skimping or good enough attitudes. It’s time to stop this nonsense.
Then go to the sspx.
@@1945yousef local bishops and Cardinal Tagle said masses from SSPX are not valid
I will end this with just one piece of advice, one church and one church only was established by God himself in 33, do not accept anything else at face value, scrutinise every detail every rubric Everything very closely
What is your opinion on the diamond brothers?
I dont hold to the sedevacantist view.
Nor do I adhere to the Boston heresy of fr. Feeney.
I can see their outrage in the present situation, but Sedes make no sense. To claim that there is no valid pontificate since VII is utterly ridiculous and in essence claims that the Catholic Church no longer exists because how can there be a Church Militant without a head. I take issues with things that some Pope's have said/done but they are also human. St. Peter would outrage many people today as well with some of his actions. Diamond brothers, though articulate, are more protestant than they realize. One thing that distinguishes Catholics from ALL OTHER "religions" is obedience. The church does NOT end with the Pope. Christ is above him and ultimately it is HIM who established the Church and asked us to be ONE. The Pope is just another... for a lack of a better word "tool". And we all know tools break and they get replaced.
Its dimond not diamond.
Well said. 2 things I never got about sedes the first Vatican counil said infallibly that the church would havee successors of Peter in perpetuity. And Mary said at.
" the Pope will consecrate russia"
Yet, they all believe in Fatima, and that Russia has not been consecrated
@@imisschristendom5293 Exactly. Sede is a self contradiction and a "glorified" form of Protestantism. Luther also renounced the authority of the Church and look how that ended... 40,000 denominations later. I have criticized the current Pope to the point where I had to make some brutal confessions. Mea Culpa, but as much as I oppose HIS ERRONEOUS teachings, I still regard him as Pope, albeit a very flawed one. Ultimately Christ is in charge here and (with our prayers and penance), He'll sort this mess out. The triumph of the Immaculate Heart is the victory over all heresies and promised by Our Mother. That's all Catholics need to know. We're in a brutal fight but we stick together as ONE army (Church). Christ has warned us enough of false prophets.
Has the sspx folded up?
You generalize saying that novus ordo Mass is more erroneous than Latin Mass which I disagree. The majority of catholics attend novus ordo mass but they find nothing wrong in it. Why should you praise only the traditional Latin Mass whereas the Church has instructed all the faithfuls to have novus ordo mass?
That’s exactly why the Pope wants to minimize it because the TLM are causing disunity in the Church!
I attend SSPX masses. I don't know why people quibble with this "question" so much, it must only be due to not really understanding the faith, or too obsessed with laws, like a pharisee. Ask yourself: does god want you to have deficient faith? Is god contented with obedience if you receive dubious liturgy, theology, or a formation which states you don't really have to even be in a Catholic church to save your soul? Its not a hard answer. The Novus Ordo church thinks it will evolve out of ignorance... how is that gonna keep your kids on the "straight and narrow?" Sunday obligation at a Novus Ordo mass will suffice, like Cain's offering. Replacing the sacrifice with a supper, inspired by Cranmer's heresies, in churches without kneelers, that look like mall food courts; completely malleable to the whims of a priest. God will never abandon his church, so the Eucharist there and confessions there still hold, but why would one risk taking that stained worldly mantle as an example to family or others as the faith? Don't bother. It's like promising your kids you will take them to the Zoo and instead drag them to a pet shop! Get serious!
Is it your Church or God's?? Is obedience only for the parts of His Church you like??
Do you number yourself among the faithful who - even in ignorance or don't fully understand what they see - yet do and follow what He established??...or among the dissenters in the flock who follow a Bishop who died in excommunication??
Truly, can you ONLY whorship Our Lord in the TLM /SSPX; REALLY??!
Going to the NO mass is a danger to your the faith.
I believe that the Catholic Church has fallen. If there was an sspx near me, I would have joined. I ended up going with orthodoxy instead
The Catholic Church has survived many crises over 2, 000 years. There is no need to leave the one Church that Jesus established.
"Doth the Lord desire holocausts and victims, and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams."
- 1 Samuel 15
Obediance means going to mass that is approved by The Church. The SSPX is not a part of The Church, any more than the Eastern Orthodox (who also can validly ordain, marry etc.) So the average norvus ordo may not be as satisfying to our senses, but it is more pleasing to God than the most extravagent mass of the SSPX.
It is sad that the average mass can seem so bad. But that is no excuse to get out of the trenches, and instead flee to some outside organization. In fact, it is a call to each and every one of us to do more at our local parish, to try to build it up.
God be with you
Nice!
Well then would it not be more obedient to hold to tradition and the TLM (non sspx) than to go to the N.O which is a break from tradition? If we are told to give God less honor and reverence, do we obey because obedience is preferred?
No, it's not. Period.
You're using your own experiences of NO to underpin your SSPX support...some NO Masses may be 'sloppy' but the vast majority are not.. I've rarely if ever heard in NO the "everybody is saved" theory... anyway God Bless and we must try to avoid Jansenistic pride when judging Holy Mass....the Holy Sacrafice dissipates any perceived slip ups...
I don't want to go backwards in time to the Latin Mass. Why can't Traditionalists respect and understand that Catholics like me want the Novus Ordo Mass.
Ok but you have that NO mass everywhere and we do have to drive 2.hours to TLM. So what are you complaining?
Paul, I think you misunderstand the history of the Church. Our whole thing is Tradition. One cannot be Catholic without out observance of Tradition. We are the only Church in the Catholic Church to invent a new liturgy out of thin air. I mean it was literally written on a napkin with Protestants (aka heretics) as advisors. The NO is seemingly a great scandal to Christ's Church and seems to come from the evil one. At least 75% of the NO community does not believe in the Eucharist, the Core of our Faith. I can guarantee you that number is at least flipped in the TLM communities, if not much higher, with the vast majority having an incredibly deep devotion to the Eucharist. Our Lord says to judge them by their fruits and after close to 70 years, it seems clear. The NO leads to a watering down of the Faith, if not a complete destruction for most. It is a conduit for heresy and scandal. I have seen virtually 0 good come out of the NO. And I have seen so much bad, so much blatant evil come out of it, so much apathy and irreverence.
I'm sorry if that came off with an angry tone. I promise I am not writing this with spite or a hateful spirit towards fellow Catholics, I am so sad to see what it has done to my Brethren. It cause me great distress to see what is happening to the Church.
Your Brother in Christ,
William
all the sacraments of the Council Church are invalid, including baptism and priestly ordination, if you were baptized by a postconciliar priest, you must repeat to be a catholic
With all do respect, and God bless you, but it’s statements like this that hurt the church and evangelization. Also, why do Eucharistic miracles keep happening if these masses are invalid
Read Catechism of the Council of Trent on baptism. Even a non-Christian can baptize someone validly, as long as the Tridentine form is followed, and I've seen enough Novus Ordo baptisms to know they follow that form. You can even look at current Roman Ritual to know they still follow the required form. What is absolutely invalid and in danger of being a sin is doing a second baptism when a valid baptism has already been performed. I doubt you'd even find an SSPX priest willing to do this.
The thing I don't like about the SSPX is they put private revelation (Fatima) over ecumenical councils and other church teachings.
What teachings.?
@@zxcasdqwe12 papal infallibility and papal supremacy for one. Usurping the local bishop's authority is another since they offer the sacraments illegally. Forcing people to pray the rosary when that in private revelation too and not binding, etc.
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No they don't. This is baseless what you say.
SSPX Mass does not fulfil sunday obligation. Sorry. See Maza.
Do you mean Dr. Ed mazza? The guy who says Benedict didn't really resign and Francis isn't Pope?
Which makes him a Sedevacantist now?
Yeah, I dont think so.
I’ve heard it’s not in communion with the Church. So when people go they are not actually attending a Catholic Church!
The Novo's ordo is lucky we don't sue their buts to for e them to traditional masses look at the difference in both types of faithful they produce
I have to say something at this point about the Novus ordo it is not Roman Catholic and it is not Catholic at all it is a false man-made religion, I know the entire history of how it got formulated, I even know two of the Protestant ministers personally who were responsible for it, you cannot go to the Novus ordo mass it is false I am not an sspx I am Benedictine Roman Catholic third minor order, it was Archbishop bugini who was responsible for the new mass he was the one that was responsible for removing the Latin language and the change in all of the Rubik's not to mention many other things this man said you can go to the Novus ordo this is wrong it must be rejected
NO is very much Catholic! If you think otherwise you should go visit a Protestant church and you will see it is Catholic!! ( Other than Lutheran as they are Reformed Catholic Church).
Can't you say, SSP ten? The X, after all, is not an X, at all.
The first mass was in aramaic.. your all wrong...
The romans wrote
" the king of the jews"
In hebrew ( aramaic), greek and latin and nailed it to the cross.
The mass is the sacrifice of the cross so it should be in one of those languages
Be careful, do your research.
Novus Ordo does not teach the Catholic Faith? Novus Ordo responsible for declining Catholic faithful? I totally disagree. The real issue is poor or absent parenting abdicating their responsibility to educate, catechise and discipline their children, expecting secular and religious to do this for them. Globally, families no longer eat together, no longer pray together, scripture is relegated to Mass, if and when attended. The religion of Me-ism is the norm. People spend time reading secular books to success, how “I did it my way”, we hero worship “ celebrities “, expensive cars, properties, designer clothes and forget this is the real idolatry. We rush from home to the gym, to work, to the bar/restaurant and forget that each day is a new creation and God has given us the gift of life. When then do we offer and return to Him the first fruits of His creation.
totally disagree. It is the mass more than the education
To disagree you need to prepare an argument to support your statement.
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