Definitely an improvement, but the ground itself needs more work, I feel. Big sandy patches feel a bit empty. But yay, a step in the right direction!:)
In all fairness it does look quite a bit less blurry when I watched it on my computer at higher resolution. Watching on my phone it looked quite a bit worse.
probably a matter of "lisibility". Might also be some performance issue, very classic RTS problem especially since they don't have access to an homemade engine.
By the way, readability is not that subjective. Just measure the proportion of surface area that is dedicated to the player color. For example, in SC2 a red player's SCV is 80% red, with the rest being monochrome (metallic). Similarly, a zerg drone is also mostly player color. In genral, most units have minimal color not specific to the player & their user-specific color areas are maximized. The rest is mostly neutral, monochrome color. The same can be done here. If you could just drop non-user-specific colors from your models and repaint them to player color, it'd be much better.
@@BookFurnace I agree - but being a free-to-play game, I guess there will be LOTs of new skins and models that we will see appearing after some time. So I guess there probably will be lots of customization options later so everyone will be happy in the end.
@@xenom23 I am not saying, that I like that payment/monetization model. But it is, what it is. I'd love to just pay 60 bucks for this game and call it a day, but I recon this game will also be littered with season passes, skin-shops, shader-options and battle chests.
I think the maps need to be even more cluttered! All the tiny details in the environment in SC1+2 were my favorite parts! Even after the upgrade, the Lost Hope Map still looks a little too plain and uninteresting!
@@Bagginsess No harm in letting them know what I want to see. If I didn't say anything, then the Frost Giant devs might have not known that it was something someone wanted.
@@CompleteAnimation that's all well and good but you don't need to tell an F1 mechanic to put the tires back on your car. Frost Giant knows more detail and polish is needed. Just wanted you to know your wishes will come true.
how would you make a barren desert dune more cluttered? SC1 and SC2 are usually cities, space platforms and zerg overrun worlds and you don't remember the natural environments. I would say that this is comparable with harvest of screams (the ice tileset, not the protoss city tileset). If you look at natural maps in both SC, they are about the same non cluttered environments. the mistake of FG is that they started in the most unmemorable setting to show the game. starcraft has the same, but you don't remember it.
I do think its better to show the map visual comparation with same bio. There are lot of upgrades to replace the tiny repetetive placeholder rock to various assets. I can image whta the new forest bio will be looked like with the similar upgrade . But sadly I see many people don't aware and just think the update is just this map changed to different bio
yeah I dont know why people were so worried when it's, in fact, completely normal evolution for game development. Most people don't get it. I remember the absolute s***storm when the GTA6 leaks happened.
@@Mruck_Trop I’m not sure that’s true unless we’re talking about something like disruptor balls. Seems to me it’s more important to be able to see health bars than projectiles
Definitely some nice improvements that makes it look a lot better. I like the new aesthetics. I don't want to be critical, but the one thing i would want to change is the gold mine model, it's not very satisfying to look at for such a core object. Otherwise great job!
Now my problem is that the celestial are to dark, their armor should look ceramic not metallic imo. Because they kind of blend in with the vanguard units now
Good job, you managed to achieve better graphics in a short period of time between Frigate nad now. I think that now we have good balans between cartoony and serious look. Now SG looks a little more gritty and darker than visuals from Frigate. Devastated trees and other doodads are clear improvement to map terrain, flat earth texture is a little more detailed (and this is ofcourse good), but still kinda "empty" at least at some places. Mouse/kangaroo creature is cute, and the music is great! What worries me a bit is number and size of various effects, especially the flash of light when angel lands. I wonder if game will be readable enough with so many flashy effects.
Great work so far. Would love for the landscape to look more "miniature world"-like and less Catan-like. Ie. some "iconization" of the landscape is definitely important for the RTS-feel, but not to the degree where everything upon overview is slotted up in an isometric grid. Keep up the good work!
Absolutely loving the music. Feels very much like the sci-fan vibe they’re going for. Like I’m in a starcraft 1 terran diablo tavern at the beginning and end. And the middle reminds me of The Last Airbender.
Great work, the game looks better with each iteration! The additional textures are amazing, and the creep camps are getting more polished too. Love to see the new Exo model in action! Also noticed that the Kri freeze and can't move while they are in their exploding state, which is a really nice improvement in my opinion, love to see the team react to the feedback of their beta testers!
Small step in the right direction. I expect significantly more polish in both graphics and animation to in this day and age.... Even Manor Lord's graphics (with 1 single dev) are more polished...
Actually 2 new units with one being bruiser angels that crash into the ground and those ranged ones + if you look closely enough you can see new buildings :^D
i like the new dead trees! right direction, but please add some textures to the ground at least, it is so muddy and makes it look worse than it needs to be..
My biggest issue with the game was the "clean" look and uninspired look of some of the units(eg:hedgehog). i was surprised at how much this actually meant to me until after i played a few earlier builds. i wasnt upset, just kinda.. i dunno, less enthused? glad the tone of the game is being revisted. i have very high hopes for Stormgate.
It's probably a matter of target audience. In some countries, having blood in your game is a big limitation. That's also probably the reason why Battle Aces went for mechs only.
Guys I like halo wars 1 and 2 about to try out StarCraft 2 for the first time and this game popped up and looks really good to and might be a auto purchase for me
The biggest feedback i can't stress enough is that the game needs to feel as smooth and satisfying as starcraft 2, movement needs to be fast, smooth and snappy
that marine like gunmen have lazer guns. I like how sc2 marines have only guns blazing and shows no bullet , no extra fancy animations. Only inits like colossus ,the mothership nd terran warship has such level of animation and it suits them only. Man the small units attacks should not haveso much animation. Its distracting.. Lazers on little soldiers gives you those Power ranger kids show vibes. Simplicity died in the last decade.
as much as im excited to play it, the art, the looks the visual feel etc dont hit it for me :/ to be pretty unfair: it looks like starcraft2 for mobile. but still i will play the poop out of it
But it does. Look at Riot Games. Look at SC2, they did focus a lot on esports and thanks to SC2, esports is now a big global thing. Plus, they clearly said esports was not their only focus. They want a good overall RTS. They wouldn't go for coop or campain if it was just about esports. They know a thing or two about RTS.
@@Frodonsake24 sc2 esports literally died when blizzard stopped giving money. LoL is fully subsidized and controlled by riot, nothing grassroots about them. As soon as money tap dries - it dies.
Still looks like it has graphics for mobile gaming. Less geometric aesthetic would be good. Missing dramatic lighting? Warcraft and Starcraft versions have much better gameplay visuals. T The units seem too tiny/blurry when clumped together (similar to AoE), I think you could ask 100 random people to choose the better looking game during side-by-side gameplay and Starcraft 2 would win 70/30, Warcraft 3 would be 60/40, Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 2 would even offer a strong challenge even if they lose to Stormgate. Decades have passed since those games. The new game visuals should be obviously better, this just isn't he case here. Maybe someone is too sheepish to tell the visual team that they went the wrong direction or that should have hired other people with an anesthetic more aligned with more serious RTS visuals vs. mobile RTS visuals? Music seems weak but I assume it's just for the quick CZcams video.
I don't get why everyone goes for the "cartoony" look. It's a HUGE TURN OFF for me. I SO WANT an RTS with REALISTIC Sci-Fi graphics. SC2 was the closest but back then the GPU couldn't handle realism.
@@Bagginsess yep, I would say that SC2 was more cartoony than SC1 tho, as unit readability was emphasized (compare hydralisk tails, for example). but people think that is more realistic because the textures were baked to look "damaged" and "aged". this game still lacks that degraded look in units to make it more war-like and that is what the low iq people really mean when they want "realism".
@@blackula911 oh yeah you tons of people are definitely changing things. You guys matter. I'm sure you are on the center of the discussions of the emergency meeting that's happening right now at Frost Giant.
@@blackula911 tons of others? The most people gonna play it and love it so far. Dont speak for other people hater. Just look in the comment section here.
game feels too much like starcraft for its own good, while having a graphical downgrade, and animation downgrade. The only good thing I see is that the units don't deathball like in starcraft 2, but that's about it
Game development takes a long time. They always said it's gonna be a while. FG know what they are doing which, given their experience in video game industry, is not surprising.
Definitely an improvement, but the ground itself needs more work, I feel. Big sandy patches feel a bit empty. But yay, a step in the right direction!:)
yes
To be fair I kinda like the clean feel it has. Like tournament map for better visibility while not being too artificial
Just do a side by side comparison of the ground with League/Dota2. Tells you pretty much everything that can be improved.
In all fairness it does look quite a bit less blurry when I watched it on my computer at higher resolution. Watching on my phone it looked quite a bit worse.
probably a matter of "lisibility". Might also be some performance issue, very classic RTS problem especially since they don't have access to an homemade engine.
And readability still needs work. It would be nice if some glowing effefts (like celestial's wings) had the colors corresponding to the player's team.
By the way, readability is not that subjective.
Just measure the proportion of surface area that is dedicated to the player color. For example, in SC2 a red player's SCV is 80% red, with the rest being monochrome (metallic). Similarly, a zerg drone is also mostly player color.
In genral, most units have minimal color not specific to the player & their user-specific color areas are maximized. The rest is mostly neutral, monochrome color. The same can be done here.
If you could just drop non-user-specific colors from your models and repaint them to player color, it'd be much better.
@@BookFurnace I agree - but being a free-to-play game, I guess there will be LOTs of new skins and models that we will see appearing after some time. So I guess there probably will be lots of customization options later so everyone will be happy in the end.
@@spectrumunit yea and people that dont want skins cant have readability ? great...
@@xenom23 I am not saying, that I like that payment/monetization model. But it is, what it is. I'd love to just pay 60 bucks for this game and call it a day, but I recon this game will also be littered with season passes, skin-shops, shader-options and battle chests.
Agree. Too much metal grey on all units, everything looks similar, hard to see.
Casually showing like a million new things in the new map video
I love it ❤
New celestials armada units looks great
You finally change the mobs of creap camps that's cool 👍
I haven't played since next-fest, those rolling guys look pretty cool, and the finished versions of the creeps are a lot better, haha
Excellent improvement, but I still worry about general readability.
Lighting looks so much better now. Makes the new map and units more gritty and clearly defined.
0:11 I like the "slum" aesthetic
I think the maps need to be even more cluttered! All the tiny details in the environment in SC1+2 were my favorite parts! Even after the upgrade, the Lost Hope Map still looks a little too plain and uninteresting!
lol give them time. Polish like that comes at the end. The map editor isn't even done yet so neither are the maps.
@@Bagginsess No harm in letting them know what I want to see. If I didn't say anything, then the Frost Giant devs might have not known that it was something someone wanted.
@@CompleteAnimation that's all well and good but you don't need to tell an F1 mechanic to put the tires back on your car. Frost Giant knows more detail and polish is needed. Just wanted you to know your wishes will come true.
how would you make a barren desert dune more cluttered? SC1 and SC2 are usually cities, space platforms and zerg overrun worlds and you don't remember the natural environments. I would say that this is comparable with harvest of screams (the ice tileset, not the protoss city tileset). If you look at natural maps in both SC, they are about the same non cluttered environments.
the mistake of FG is that they started in the most unmemorable setting to show the game. starcraft has the same, but you don't remember it.
@@giuseppebonatici7169 You must not remember all the ancient animal bones and husks of old vehicles and all the "critters" on the SC1 maps.
I do think its better to show the map visual comparation with same bio. There are lot of upgrades to replace the tiny repetetive placeholder rock to various assets. I can image whta the new forest bio will be looked like with the similar upgrade . But sadly I see many people don't aware and just think the update is just this map changed to different bio
The art, lighting, shadows, and unit details look soooo much better now!
Also...new Celestial units spotted at 00:48 👀
Much better yet still submediocre
@@Stormgate_Central this guys has great content^
units look much better now, but the blurry ground texture makes me sad, specially it's what occupies most of the screen at all times
@@MerolLord tilesets will be improved. They said they only had a few to pick from right now.
yeah I dont know why people were so worried when it's, in fact, completely normal evolution for game development. Most people don't get it. I remember the absolute s***storm when the GTA6 leaks happened.
I think the projectiles are too big. Makes it hard to see what is going on in the fights
But they need to be televised also for a better micro. But I think these are slower than even Warcraft 3
@@Mruck_Trop I’m not sure that’s true unless we’re talking about something like disruptor balls. Seems to me it’s more important to be able to see health bars than projectiles
you mean there is absolutly no way to understand what tf is happening in a fight
i forgot about the new exo model it's so dope. looks awesome. cannot WAIT
Lookin better every t8me. Respect to devs and artists.
artist lego ? hm
Keep at it guys! Looking better every patch! 🎉
Yes!!! This looks way better than before. Keep it up.
thank you for adding roingus. this is now the greatest game ever created.
Definitely some nice improvements that makes it look a lot better. I like the new aesthetics. I don't want to be critical, but the one thing i would want to change is the gold mine model, it's not very satisfying to look at for such a core object. Otherwise great job!
This is a step in the right direction. Keep it up, guys!
Can't wait to try new units
Ive told it before many times, but build by build Stormgate is improving onwards. Awesome to see.
yes it very much is. And to be fait, that's how things works in game development. Something that most people don't understand apparently.
The Celestials look awesome!
Now my problem is that the celestial are to dark, their armor should look ceramic not metallic imo.
Because they kind of blend in with the vanguard units now
Looking good team. We're all rooting for you.
I love how the new exos are brighter so they pop among the dark lancers and medium bright medics a lot more!
Game looks better and better every day. Still digging the new exo!!
An improvement for sure.
I'm loving the added art details to the map. It does a lot to make the game look better.
Looking forward to early access!
What were those awesome celestial flying units? The ones that landed, that looked great!
Archangel
New units?
@@Erictraivenyep, T3
One more week!
Looks very good! The details add a lot especially the variety in cliff sides.
this looks so fucking good ! i had so much fun playing in the beta !!!
Good job, you managed to achieve better graphics in a short period of time between Frigate nad now.
I think that now we have good balans between cartoony and serious look. Now SG looks a little more gritty and darker than visuals from Frigate. Devastated trees and other doodads are clear improvement to map terrain, flat earth texture is a little more detailed (and this is ofcourse good), but still kinda "empty" at least at some places. Mouse/kangaroo creature is cute, and the music is great!
What worries me a bit is number and size of various effects, especially the flash of light when angel lands. I wonder if game will be readable enough with so many flashy effects.
This is cool and all, but tbh the part I'm most happy about is the improved kri pathing 😆(0:38)
Great work so far. Would love for the landscape to look more "miniature world"-like and less Catan-like. Ie. some "iconization" of the landscape is definitely important for the RTS-feel, but not to the degree where everything upon overview is slotted up in an isometric grid. Keep up the good work!
Looks great!!!
Absolutely loving the music. Feels very much like the sci-fan vibe they’re going for.
Like I’m in a starcraft 1 terran diablo tavern at the beginning and end. And the middle reminds me of The Last Airbender.
Great work, the game looks better with each iteration! The additional textures are amazing, and the creep camps are getting more polished too. Love to see the new Exo model in action!
Also noticed that the Kri freeze and can't move while they are in their exploding state, which is a really nice improvement in my opinion, love to see the team react to the feedback of their beta testers!
looking great, can't wait to play it in a few weeks
Like the improvements but the terrain still looks flat and opaque... anyway have big faith in FG! :)
Hope there's a race that's a master at turtling (Ie Terran) so I can turtle and steamroll the AI. That's my favorite way to play haha.
Woahhhh! So many cool reveals in this little video! Thanks FG
Looks great
A great job there but I feel like it misses a bit of contrast. I'm thinking of something like Goldenaura in the current SC2 map pool
very nice
Still looks like a game that my kid plays on his Kindle
Small step in the right direction. I expect significantly more polish in both graphics and animation to in this day and age....
Even Manor Lord's graphics (with 1 single dev) are more polished...
New creeps are cool, and I can see new Celestial unit.
Actually 2 new units with one being bruiser angels that crash into the ground and those ranged ones + if you look closely enough you can see new buildings :^D
i like the new dead trees! right direction, but please add some textures to the ground at least, it is so muddy and makes it look worse than it needs to be..
can i play on mac?
looks like one of those tower defense games on miniclip years and years ago
Did they finally tune down the particle effects? It looks much better and less overpowering. I can actually see the units.
What about lighting and shaders. I really wonder how game will look
Looks phenomenal! So excited for July 30!
....you can buy the game or just play it in August 13th? Whats the advantage and Disadvantage?
You unlock some content for money (story missions, progress in COOP for Heroes, some cosmetics etc.) + servers are open 30 of July (14 days earlier)
Just a suggestion; Use Ori: The Will of the Wisps as a colour reference for sci-fi biomes.
If only they had that kind of talent.
오 많이 좋아졌다! 이제 사운드만 강렬해지면 충분히 즐길만하겠다
The ground is so ugly. It needs improve before The game release
I knew you all just needed more time to cook. Glad all those complaints were unwarranted. Keep up the good work
nice
one map..
These greenish things moving reminds me Tiberium from Command and Conquer...
this game is gonna be IT eventually and the haters will have to concede this L
Wat
This is the most beautiful game I've ever seen and it's not even close!!
what haters? People giving feedback? You realise we just want the game to be good right?
NOW WE ARE TALKIN
Welcome to the desert of the abyss
My biggest issue with the game was the "clean" look and uninspired look of some of the units(eg:hedgehog). i was surprised at how much this actually meant to me until after i played a few earlier builds. i wasnt upset, just kinda.. i dunno, less enthused? glad the tone of the game is being revisted. i have very high hopes for Stormgate.
artstyle needs more blood tho
It's probably a matter of target audience. In some countries, having blood in your game is a big limitation. That's also probably the reason why Battle Aces went for mechs only.
still wish you would zoom the freaking game out.
Guys I like halo wars 1 and 2 about to try out StarCraft 2 for the first time and this game popped up and looks really good to and might be a auto purchase for me
The biggest feedback i can't stress enough is that the game needs to feel as smooth and satisfying as starcraft 2, movement needs to be fast, smooth and snappy
It already is😎
@@TotalStoicism i hope so! The preview built was pretty rough still
Moarrr!!!
New creeps??
0:48 what is that suicide thing?
They didn't suicide. They just came crashing into the ground xd
@@wojciechszatko yeah it seems so new unit?
that marine like gunmen have lazer guns. I like how sc2 marines have only guns blazing and shows no bullet , no extra fancy animations. Only inits like colossus ,the mothership nd terran warship has such level of animation and it suits them only. Man the small units attacks should not haveso much animation. Its distracting.. Lazers on little soldiers gives you those Power ranger kids show vibes. Simplicity died in the last decade.
gimme gimme
🎥🎬🎞️👍👍👍
Needs 2v2
as much as im excited to play it, the art, the looks the visual feel etc dont hit it for me :/
to be pretty unfair: it looks like starcraft2 for mobile.
but still i will play the poop out of it
Daily reminder that "esports first" concept never actually worked.
But it does. Look at Riot Games. Look at SC2, they did focus a lot on esports and thanks to SC2, esports is now a big global thing. Plus, they clearly said esports was not their only focus. They want a good overall RTS. They wouldn't go for coop or campain if it was just about esports. They know a thing or two about RTS.
@@Frodonsake24 sc2 esports literally died when blizzard stopped giving money. LoL is fully subsidized and controlled by riot, nothing grassroots about them. As soon as money tap dries - it dies.
Better, but still looks flat
starcraft 4
1.7
Nice and thanks for taking on constructive feedback.
Wish the fanboys would stop calling us 'haters'... we just want the best possible game lmao.
Still looks like it has graphics for mobile gaming. Less geometric aesthetic would be good. Missing dramatic lighting? Warcraft and Starcraft versions have much better gameplay visuals. T The units seem too tiny/blurry when clumped together (similar to AoE), I think you could ask 100 random people to choose the better looking game during side-by-side gameplay and Starcraft 2 would win 70/30, Warcraft 3 would be 60/40, Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 2 would even offer a strong challenge even if they lose to Stormgate. Decades have passed since those games. The new game visuals should be obviously better, this just isn't he case here. Maybe someone is too sheepish to tell the visual team that they went the wrong direction or that should have hired other people with an anesthetic more aligned with more serious RTS visuals vs. mobile RTS visuals? Music seems weak but I assume it's just for the quick CZcams video.
Looks better than before but it still looks boring. I hate to say it but SC2 looks and feels much better than this game. Stormgate lacks atmosphere.
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Hola.
is this coming out on iPhone?
I don't get why everyone goes for the "cartoony" look. It's a HUGE TURN OFF for me. I SO WANT an RTS with REALISTIC Sci-Fi graphics. SC2 was the closest but back then the GPU couldn't handle realism.
Warcraft was cartoony. Starcraft was less cartoony but still cartoony. The Blizzard style has always been cartoony.
@@Bagginsess yep, I would say that SC2 was more cartoony than SC1 tho, as unit readability was emphasized (compare hydralisk tails, for example). but people think that is more realistic because the textures were baked to look "damaged" and "aged". this game still lacks that degraded look in units to make it more war-like and that is what the low iq people really mean when they want "realism".
@@giuseppebonatici7169 lol yup. Good thing that grit will come with time and soothe the normies.
Tempest Rising?
@@Bagginsess wc3 and sc2 didn't have that cheap mobile look
Still looks like total аss tbh
Then don't play the game who cares bruh
@@Frodonsake24 I won't, same with tons of others lmao. great product amirite
@@blackula911 oh yeah you tons of people are definitely changing things. You guys matter. I'm sure you are on the center of the discussions of the emergency meeting that's happening right now at Frost Giant.
@@blackula911 tons of others? The most people gonna play it and love it so far. Dont speak for other people hater. Just look in the comment section here.
@@Frodonsake24 nah, that's gonna happen in about a year, after the money tap runs dry
before was better
I don't like the desert direction that this map went. I'm a bit tired of desert maps for sci-fi and was enjoying having greenery.
game feels too much like starcraft for its own good, while having a graphical downgrade, and animation downgrade. The only good thing I see is that the units don't deathball like in starcraft 2, but that's about it
K, ive been following the updates on this game for half a decade. Can I please play before im in a retirement home?
Game development takes a long time. They always said it's gonna be a while. FG know what they are doing which, given their experience in video game industry, is not surprising.
Everyone here is complaining about graphics, please guys fix it, no need for new units and structure.
Most of the people are not complaining about it here lmao
Its still a long way left and graphics isnt the first thing they should focus on. Getting the gameplay right first is more important.
Remove any unit limits/population caps or put it as an option
lol.