New Stormgate Pathing Improvements
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- One of Frost Giant Studios' engineers, Jason Rupert, breaks down some recent pathing & steering updates we've added to Stormgate. Pathing and steering encompass the "under the hood" tech that get units to move around each other in a way that feels good to the player and reflects the player's intentions--a critical part of what makes an RTS like Stormgate fun to play!
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Easily some of the best improvements to the game to make in my opinion. Solid progress!
Cant wait until the update where the game wont look like a 2008 moba
@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi wow you have such originality, if you don't want let a chance to the game why do you look at the video? Let me guess, for the sake of hating, it's the only way you feel interesting?
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Originality? thats a fact dude, sorry that offended you. 45 FPS on the 4090 BTW during their free week.
@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi The graphics are great, go somewhere else
@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi Dont worry about it, completely fair to say your opinion of the game, though the first comment did come off a bit rude. Personally i dont care about graphics myself and its EA so perhaps they will work on it some more before the release
You know that these people are veterans of the industry, and RTS specifically, when they make a video only about pathing improvement. Keep up the good work!
Fun gameplay in an RTS comes down to responsiveness. These are the important things that matter. IYKYK.
@@FrostGiantStudios Flashbacks to dragoons on stairs...
@@kaiiboraka L2P
@@whitneysmiltankGet with the times boomer.
@@KingLich451 I get with the times with just about anything, but I won't defend objectively bad RTS game design decisions.
Some really fantastic improvements there, just goes to show how incredibly important pathing is.
Yea, AI of units in all aspects is definetly and am glad is a high priority. Players should be managing the army and tactics/strategy no the units themselves
Worth noting that the avoidance for the surround is not pathing, but local 'steering' overrides to following their calculated path. For anyone getting into this stuff I recommend James Anhalts GDC talk on the subject, from the SC2 release.
I find the moment at 1:31 really interesting - you can see how the fiends are splitting into lanes to go around the big unit *even before reaching that unit*! Like they don't collide with the big unit, they gently flow around it. It looks much more like what happens in the real world when crowds of people go around an obstacle.
love the push priority!
I know! This is huge. I've never seen something so intention design for an RTS. I'm looking forward to how much more intuitive the melee brawls will end up.
Starcraft has had push priority as an (almost) unused mechanic since day 1 and I've always advocated it be granted to the ultralisk with little success.
wow the last one, the push priority is genius, I wished Ultralisks in SC2 did that instead of getting stuck in the back
Keep the updates coming.
Make the game as intuitive as possible for new comers. We need a good RTS again
Push priority should change when interacting with units that are set to hold position.
best infernal buff so far
Great job! As a developer of RTS games, I know that these are some of the most difficult tasks in development, especially in multiplayer. Huge respect to the programmers of the Stormgate!
Pathing is so important. I am glad you guys are taking the time to make sure its optimal.
Good pathing is actually HUGE in RTS. Remember how good it felt going from SC1 to SC2?
Very pleased to see Stormgate make such improvements! :)
This is just amazing. These are the tiny details that make this kind of game an amazing experience.
The details that make a game great
congrats to these improvments!
I know for myself, pathing can be a real pickel!
So probs to the engin-devs for the improvments. Looks great!
Push Priority is such a natural improvement! Very much lacking in a certain other RTS that I'm tired of playing for over a decade...
As an infernal player, this is a clear W
This game looks more and more polished every time I see it. Gotta love it
Love to see these updates!
This improvement was so necessary - Love it !!
That is beyond impressive. I can't even imagine the nightmare that is coding that in.
The improved corner pathing is better especially when there's an enemy force waiting for you right after or even in the corner. Amazing!!
I really cannot express how happy this change makes me
I remember a devlog from C&C tiberium sun had a similar unit pushing issue. I think they solution they come up with is basically temporary reduce the collision radius during movement, then restoring the original radius and spread out when arriving at destination.
Damn i can't wait for this game to come out. Every update makes me more excited
Thank you for your hard work! looking good !
Holy geez those are some great updates to pathing and movement for units! Nice little update that eill make a big dofference.
This will definitely be a God send for those 10,000 unit custom matches!
This. This is my goal with Stormgate, a 10000+ unit custom mode to push the boundaries of the engine 😂
@@user-ur4nl6dq2x while it will be great for custom modes Frost Giant said that you can have 10k units in a regular match with 32 players.
Push priority sounds amazing!
When I saw a new video of frost giant I thought it was about the third faction...
Our third faction reveal is coming Sunday, June 9 on the PC Gaming Show! Watch it starting at 1PM PT :D
@@FrostGiantStudios That's on my birthday. Yay! lol
This!
One of the reasons SC2 is so satisfying is the fluid movement of the units compared to almost any other strategy game. Keep working on this and you will deliver a game that is enjoyable to compete in
Good stap, i had so many problems with all the things you showed.
this is absolutely incredible! probs to the ones who programmed these systems, this is amazing
That's a great attention to details. Good job!
Fun. Little details add up.
This is not just the "little details", it's one of the critical algorithms that define the next gen RTS and being the hardest ones to improve. There are lots of RTS games that just don't have the smooth pathing like this
That’s actually really huge and not a little detail
I "love" how people starting nitpicking the comment instead of just going with the generally good vibes after reading the room. Peak YT. :P
I'm literally programming pathfinding for my RTS game right now and I'm working hard on trying to fix the first issue you fixed. If you guys can do it, I will too! 💪🏻
I love how they still polish mechanics even though they already look good, ensuring they make the best product possible. I'm rooting for you Frost Giant Studios!
So fucking Sick. Feels good to see iterative improvement in gaming software again. Reminds me what it felt like to be a hardcore gamer at 15 years old. Im 40 now.
This is the kind of thing that absolutely everyone would notice but no one (who hasn't seen this video) would be able to pick up on.
Great pathing is what made StarCraft 2 feel modern to me, and I'd say it's what separates a good RTS from a mediocre one. I really appreciate that you are really investing time in making it better.
i swear the more videos i watch about the game the more i want to play it asap. Guys you're doing great!
Loving what I'm seeing! Can't wait to play the game! Keep up the great work!
Some of the best AI movements I've seen in ages!
It's always the little things that add up over time, the feel of weapons in FPS's, how spells feel in RPG's and and units control in RTS's. The focus on the feeling of play should always be top priory in any game.
i love it :D
These improvements solve so many pain points! Well done Frost Giant engineers
give this man a promotion
We've come a long way since SC1 Dragoons
This game just keeps getting better
details like these make all the difference
Tiny detail in behaviour, that makes an insanely good improvement in gameplay and the feeling of army movement. Now it doesn't look "dumb". I was inspired to make my own RTS, but seeing more and more of ideas being implemented in a real game by absolute pros of industry - hands down.
We *need* a deep dive technical session on this discussing the algorithms, showing the code...
Great improvement! I had big problems as a infernals players with the pathing and this was one of my main concerns for the future. Now only my skill needs to get better lol
Massive improvement i really like where stormgate is goin and cant wait to practice my gameplay again, we had such a blast playing the CO-OP and so we eagerly await the day we can make more gameplay vods ! Very lovely and uwu, yes
these changes are insane, can't wait to see the lancers with it
SOLID !
Love it! Especially after playing some CnC and RA where pathfinding and unit footprints are a nightmare.
I did not know how much i already felt every game i missed this until i saw this video :D
Didn't realize you could speedup slow units this way lmao 😂 Total exploit.
Seeing the fiends pathfind their way around the magmadons was satisfying as heck tho. I love it 😀
I can already imagine this beeing used to split groups of units by placing specific other units like the magmadon infront of them and I love it :)
The magmadon pathing was killing me so glad to see that addressed
The surround pathing is a massive improvement. I also think it's really interesting allowing units to push stuff out of the way. I think that's a thing in sc2? but I don't really notice it. In my opinion, the smarter your units are, the better (without just being AI of course).
Can't wait to play the full release.
Love these updates
Now that priority is a trait, makes me wonder if any interesting gameplay interactions would emerge from in-game abilities which effect/manipulate it.
Probably not, but worth experimenting with a bit just for the heck of it
Looks awesome!
Neat - thanks for sharing!
Just throwing it out there that starcraft 2 has had push priority as a variable in it since forever and it would be a much better solution to fix ultralisks patching issues than having it walk over units like colossus
Huh, I was just recently told about the "A*" algorithm at a programming lecture. And here's an example right away
What's that mean?
Huge
This gets me excited for the next beta!
Wow the pathing is really look good. As long as its not as horrible as SC1 or AOE type of pathing im game for this
really nice!
Pretty cool!
This is HUGE
Great improvements
It's impressive the attention to core mechanics of this game, hope it all comes together at the end as game feel.
Looks fluid :o are you using flow fields as a base for pathfinding?
The first two changes just look like decreasing the skill difference possible with good micro.
And with the first change, decreasing defender's or terrain advantage.
would be interresting to see if some of these would be changable by the player
One big question: Can unit push through other units when they are on hold position?
Love it
This is proof you guys lisen to the community. I hope you keep doing that and not become like Riot,Valve or any other game company.
This is gonna be great for people who can micro!
That reminds path finding from Command & Conquer Games...
Is this available on IOS/Android?
Exactly
I think all units should be able to push all other units, except that each unit should have some form of "weight" value, making a large unit be able to easily push small units, but making a small unit be able to slowly push a large one instead of hitting a hard wall.
Yes, thank you! Funny how some other big name developers couldn't even do this today.
This reminds me of Ultralisks getting stuck behind zerglings
Certainly like the last one where larger units can push smaller but not the reverse. But the others feel like they just take away an avenue for good players to separate themselves from lesser players. It's a skill to micro a good surround and making it just be an a-move feature seems like the wrong direction to go.
for surrounds, is there still a benefit to manually controlling your units for a more efficient surround? or is the ai just going to do everything maximally efficient?
I still feel like having imperfections in pathing makes for more interesting gameplay.
Looks like there will be. I still saw a few fiends getting stuck behind, just not as many.
That’s huge!
nice impressive !
Looks really good
Shows you how hard making a game like this is. Imagine how many more untold similar issues the devs tackle everyday. If the game isn't percfect, let's try to remember that while we gripe about it.
I hope you guys fix Unreal engine crash error while joining the match at release. It's been a long time waiting for a Warcraft's old days feeling.
The push change is really cool, nice change I think
I mean great for a moving but dont make it too easy, microing units is one of the most fun things in rts. We still need some of the Dragoon clunk XD
Nice
cool!
neat
Thank you so much! I found the pathing so terribly annoying in the beta. This is huge actually.