enforcement muppets unlawfully and physically remove passenger from train. then attacks again.
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2022
- Passenger can't buy a ticket due to no staff at station, then this proceeds.. Shoutout to the other passenger, who gave passenger an all day ticket...
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and when people are on trains threatening people with knives these ponces are no where to be seen
Excuse me? Have no clue lad I’ve done security for 8 years in London and now on the trains going this exact job 5 days a week for half a year, you are a trampoline on the doll, who’s the ponce? Probably you on the train we have to throw off init 😅😅😅😅 tramp.
No point making their life harder they're not the ones who made the rules
The two options the officer offered to sort it out, was to "accept a penalty fare or get off next stop". Passengers being abused for British railways inability to staff their stations. .
I know Merseyrail absolutely shit if aren’t able to buy a ticket at there staffed station, they expect you to pay the penalty fare and new ticket and then contest it in court, but the courts see it as you have paid the fine to admit your in the wrong and very rare allow the appeal, had similar incidents myself with them goons, luckily being a black male they back off when say “look at my skin colour” they just let you buy a ticket and be on your way
The byelaws are really clear and they have every right to lay hands on people to remove people from rail premesis who are travelling without a valid ticket.
Railways aren't street corners, railway staff, British Transport Police and Enforcement Officers can enforce railway byelaws.
@@GKSC
The traveller provides their name and address details as requested by the officer which is a legal obligation on the person traveling under the byelaws which he refused to do - the only option open to the officer after that is to remove the person from the train.
If a penalty fare is issued you then raise the defence that the ticket office was closed.
You don't refuse to provide details to the ticket officer, the obligation is on you to provide them, that is your legal duty in law.
@@B-26354 Don't talk rubbish man. Are you the clown in the video, by the way?
There are many ways of dealing with non-payment. The first should be the offer to sell the man the ticket required, there and then. If he refuses, then, the threat of being issued a penalty should be discussed. If the passenger still refuses and makes no effort to offer something in the way of payment, only then should the threat of removal from the train be used.
As for following him onto the platform and further ejecting him from the station, that was pure ego and nothing else. He wanted to use his uniform to go hands-on and get away with it. He's a little punk rat in a uniform that's far too big for his puny frame. He'll find himself taking an unexpected walk back to the nearest station after falling off a train if he carries on with that attitude..
@@B-26354 no byelaw says they (the enforcement officers) can go hands on for being ticketless... Listen to his colleague in my latest video. You were wrong.
Wow….Well done for not landing him on tbh I would of 🤬
It's would have, not of.
@@davidcameron7597 sorry Sir …
Me as well
@@bigmamma5520 Okay. Don't do it again.
Further proof how utterly useless modern day policing has degenerated to corporate collection agents.
Why didn't they offer you the chance to buy a ticket ?. madness.
Why should they?
@@Bluebottle-hw1be lol. Those cited cases have zero to do with this. I’m happy to listen to any views, but don’t make up nonsense, please.
@@Bluebottle-hw1be but I'm afraid you're wrong. There are a lot if instances where fines can be levied without a Judge. Parking tickets, of instance. It's ok, you're welcome.
@@Bluebottle-hw1be something isn't flawed just because you don't like it. There are plenty of criminal fines, many linked to motor offences, that do not require a judge or jury. You are simply wrong.
@@Bluebottle-hw1be US or UK?
I was in the queue for a ticket as the train came in. Yellow jackets gave me a penalty on the train. No ifs or buts. Appealed it and still lost. Twice ive been robbed by them. It's disgusting abuse of power.
Modern day highway robbery.
I'd sue them it's not the publics fault that their inability to staff the station properly. So have we to not get on train if no staff at station or on train, don't think so, not all us do online tickets
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It's almost as if the internet exists where you can buy your ticket online...Or at the self-serve machines...This waste of space is angry he got caught riding for free and had a tantrum. The onus is on YOU, the passenger, to get a ticket before you step on that train. It's not a civil issue it's a criminal issue not having a ticket on a train, he could of just payed the twenty quid fine like a man and faced his responsibilities like any normal adult.
Hate it when they call the public mate...they are no one's mate.
😆 I’ve got loads of friends thanks though
Impersonating a police officer?
Just a got a fine through letter box for putting my feet up on the train, i didnt know it was illegal (no signage).
" final step notice", for£483 they have worded it a molestation for putting my feet on a chair, is this madness or what? Now, they are threatening me with bailiffs and have ten days to pay.
Jeez.... £500 fine?.. You could buy them a chair for that.
No pay no travel, qujte right why should he travel for free?
This kid was picked on in school and found one thing to act like a big man. Love the way you gave him the deadweight treatment!
@Stanly Stud too short to be a PCSO!!!!!
@@jpe115 As a representative of the 5'6 male community I would just like to say this man is not a representative of all of midgets community. We reject any association to such types.
Why for doing his job, sick of fare dodging pricks.
@stanlystud1241 what, from a guy who calls himself stanlystud 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you my friend stands out more as a 🛎 end
@stanlystud1241 Stanley stud🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I've had harder💩s
It looked like he was going to burst into tears 🤣🤣
I thought the same thing he was getting very upset for no reason. I don’t think he’s cut out for that type of job.
Let's say he was doing is job and unlike you people I'd say keep your mouths shut and don't be a Karen when you get threatened do the right thing and buy a ticket 😉
ALL that power for 8 quid an hour.
I bet you’re not saying that when a singular BTP officer rocks up are you hey
Just pay your way the same as law abiding passengers. Why should i have to subsidise your fare?
But he did attempt to pay
@@PottersVideos2 you believe him?
@@PottersVideos2travelling on a train without a ticket is theft and costs all of us
Why are they dressed-up as policemen?
Eh!!?? Are you clueless? 🤣🤣Where does it say they’re police on their uniform!? It’s only a tactical high viz. it’s what 99% of security wear now for protection and to use a body camera.
They aren’t, they are wearing a stab proof or tac vest so they are easily identified in public places (like a train station) are wearing SIA (security industry authority) licenses on their arms which a police officer wouldn’t ever wear and they help keep the stations safe. They aren’t dressed like police because they aren’t police at all
They aren't. They don't have badges saying police. They are just wearing protective gear and high viability jackets.
You would get more sense out of a pork pie than this copper
I think you’re the pork pie because he isn’t a copper
They don’t have any power to physically touch anyone let alone physically remove you from the station because that is down to British transport police and not the enforcement officers as they only have the right to ask for your details etc
Totally incorrect.
The byelaws grant any railway staff the right to remove people using force under the byelaws.
If you don't know, don't comment.
@@B-26354 wrong. They are not law enforcement and do not have the same powers as the vermin police. Plus everyone has the god given right to defend themselves from harm. So I think you need to brush up on your facts. As my brother in-law works on the trains and he has no powers to go hand's on. They have to wait for the police to arrive and trespass them. So think b4 you comment.
@@cliffbutler9820
I think you need to brush up on your facts cliff.
The guards are authorised persons under the railway byelaws - they're actually written into the law, they have the same ability to enforce them as constables who are also written into the law - railway companies are their own prosecuting agencies aswell
Your brother is wrong, they have specific power to use "reasonable force" to remove people from the railway - your cleaner brother who happens to sweep railway platforms clearly has no understanding of the actual legislation in place on the railways.
If you don't know something Cliff why just make it up?
Go research it yourself.
@@B-26354 again you are wrong. If these jobs worth go hand's on the citizen Has the right to defend themselves from harm. They need to call the police to have them removed. They are not law enforcement. I don't know where you got your bull from. But your wrong. I think you need to stop looking on CZcams for your bull.
@@B-26354 what amazes me is idiots like you actually think public employees have the rights to assault and manhandle another human. There is not a law in this land that gives anyone the right to put hands on anyone just because they think they can. But it is a god given right to defend yourself if you are being man handled by a public servant that is not a police officer. Not even p.c.s.o can go hand's on or security. They are there to observe and report. You need to stop licking boots and start realizing we don't have masters that can abuse and assault citizens. Until you do that your be a slave to their egos. Grow a pair.
The answer is simple, buy a ticket, you tried it on ans lost...ha ha ha. Excellent work
That copper hasn't had his first shave yet 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He’s not a cop.
They are horrible trying to intimidating ppl . Ppl do this a job are nothing but pathetic. They fined ppl who had valid tickets and refused to speak to ticket office staff can prove the customer had already bought the ticket . Customer used phone to call the ticket staff they said “ I know your are recording me ! “ seriously these ppl who have to do this as a job are the most pathetic ppl in the world 😅. They only can repeat 3 sentences 1. I am doing my job , 2i need to see your Id . 3 . This is not valid ticket ,
"Boohoo they kicked me off my train, I was having fun not paying for tickets because I didn't bother to buy online or use a self serve machine" let me play my tiny violin for you, so sad :(
Oh god when is this going to stop why don't they use BTP not private goon's
Does it make a difference?
If you’ve been asked to leave by one of these licensed security members you MUST leave unless you want to be breaching the law, it is a criminal offence to trespass.
Hope your taking this further don't be leaving it there might be an old person next or disabled tell ya put a YELLOW jacket on little boys so they can play POLICE MAN or GO GO POWER RANGERS
If you let them 2 Muppets man handle you your street cred must be Nil.
Two bully boy's
Southeastern railways staff told me that those yellow jackets are not meant to give penalty tickets out on the train!!
Maybe different train companies have different policies. Or they on to a nice little earner lol
@@swiftandbold it's total robbery. Why have a ticket machine with the train guard on the train yet BTP will fine you on the train if you're waiting for the guard to come along to buy a ticket?! Can't have it both ways yet they do. Ticket office shut once and machine on station out of order and they were dishing out fines at the next stations!! Scumbags.
Was that moron really standing on the yellow line, a couple of feet away from the track!?
No sense of personal safety or risk assessment at all.
That must highlight the shielding /invincibility power of the hi Viz surely?! 🧐.
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Who are these dopes in the high viz thinking they are poilce officers I got the train the other week from new strand to Formby no one at new strand to obtain my ticket
@2:38 with the mobile phone fumble and right leg twitching, body language shows he was nervous and then later puts his own safety at risk by pushing the guy away when the train moves away. Also, not sure if his SIA licence is a just a Blue Security or Purple CCTV stripe and not a Orange stripe Door Supervisor. If you look (pause) he is covering it, so that would be it an offence, if he does not have a Orange DS SIA licence, as he cannot carry out DS duties or be insured on a standard blue or purple stripe SIA badge
FYI. Attack is a form of self defence in a court of law👍
You can't defend yourself from a lawful action stipulate in statute such as lawful removal from a train or station under byelaws.
The law is written out, signed off by the transport secretary and published, railway staff including security officers have a duty in law to remove passengers who do not pay - if you assaulted an "authorised person" on the railway you are committing assault against them.
Understand the law before trying to quote it.
3:29 guy looks like he wants to cry and is acting a tough guy.
Don't mess with that TAMPON he a black belt in being a wally
Limp one at that. Big egos small peepees that's what they are. They deserve some good sense drumming into them abusive bellends
Next time anyone try’s to force you to move and you don’t want to, this also applies if you are being abducted or similar situations, Drop to the floor and relax all your muscles because the minute you tense any part of your body then you have lost the battle whereas 150lbs of dead wait is very hard to get off the ground
You are a Wally, if you’ve done something to warrant being asked to leave by one of these guys then you PROBABLY should leave you twit.
I’m pretty sure protesters try that and still get carried off, the police will just grab you by the armpits and drag ya.
That sounds absolutely pathetic, does the toddler tactic work on tv license bailiffs when they come to your house as well? Sorry, I meant to say, the rented house you're probably illegally squatting in after landlord tried to evict.
that looked massively illegal to me
By law he doesn't have the power of the same way as the police i would tack it to court and press charges on both of them
What did they do wrong? It was all within the law but you obviously know nothing about that. They asked him to leave and because he didn't then he was trespassing. It then became aggravated trespass and reasonable force can be used to remove people. It's a purely civil matter and civilians representing the property owner can remove you. Lets see how you react when someone is wandering around your property and wont leave when you ask them. Police have no powers to remove them. It would be up to you. You'd let them just stay there?
Sorry I am watching a police officer? Is this the standards now. They would be terrified of a real criminal.
Actually no, private enforcement of a buy before you ride mersey rail policy. Not there to sell tickets or be of any use to anybody, besides policy enforcement.
He gave the wrong bylaw and failed to have his facts correct I believe
I hope you are suing this guy for assault. no one apart from the police has any right to touch you. these people don't have any laws allowing them to use fiscal force. talk to a solicitor.
You obviously don’t know the law I’m the UK! Get yourself on the SIA website and find out what security officers can do. And security or bouncers are aloud to be physical if somebody refuse to leave etc there’s tons of morons like you on here saying the same! 😂 it’s hilarious because morons like you and so many others soon get a shock when they find out security can be physical as it’s part of the SIA training 👌 dopey 🙄🤣
Other guy chewing gum .....what a joke
Oh yeah because chewing gum is so hilarious.
Without that clown suit he would to scared to even look sideways at another male
They have absolutely no powers
Unfortunately they do
Rob jones is that true? They are not warranted officers so cannot physically touch him, section 24a is only if a law has been broken, none payment is a civil issue is it not? I honestly don't know 100% but if he touched me like that I would use self defence and better him
@@donmacrae3855 Yep, because once they have told him to get off the property he’s then a trespasser which means after attempting to persuade, ask and warn him to move on, they can then use reasonable force to remove him just like me and you have the exact same rights to do if someone trespassed on our property, in addition I’m sure there could possibly be railway bylaws giving them powers but I can’t be 100% on that aspect.
@Rob Jones I think your spot on there mate thanks👍
And I was thinking the same, the railways have lots of little bylaws in place.
They're empowered under the railway byelaws and are classed as "authorised persons" - byelaws can grant members of a workforce, police and PCSOs with additional powers for certain areas not found under general statute, such as a power to use reasonable force to remove someone from a train or property.
Byelaws are crucially criminally enforceable via magistrates court and are not civil pieces of law.
If you don't know what you're talking about and all that... Why comment?
what the fuck
I know
Would they do this to a 90 year old pensioner?
THATS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU TRY TO AVOID PAYING YOUR FAIR WELL DONE OFFICERS
You were still legally in the wrong for not leaving. You're on private property.
By letter of law maybe.
Get him his dummy someone please 😂
Not transit, Poice they don't seem to have powers of arrest.
It's called theft of service.
No it's called two jobsworths
All these people arguing and there was no place to get a ticket! was he refusing to pay ? No. It hardly warrants being rough with the bloke. Its like these supermarkets getting funny with people on the self service tills; how about providing a proper till instead of making us do your work. All these aggresive enforcers and illegal rules.
Proof that the peelers don't care.
What a jobsworth any excuse to put hands on people
He thinks he your daddy
if the little cop wants to feel big he should walk jackrussels for a living.
again these clowns wouldnt do this out of uniform
Might I ask;
Why did you not purchase your ticket (or maybe even permit to travel if that facility still exists) from a machine??
I don't know of a single station anywhere in the country that doesn't have one.
They dont have that power take it further..
Love your name.. My hero was bob. The lad been taken off trains now. Think my friend who it happened to is happy with that.
@@swiftandbold that's brilliant news little jobs worth.. Well done kidda x
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Get a good Solicitor 👍
I had something like this in Newcastle ones
They treat you like this?
Bampots at work.
This is the famous British justice (crap)
Nothing to do with justice, just company policy
I think you made that worse for yourself. Was it for the camera??? I'd have taken the penalty fair and appealed against it.
No not for camera.. For the principle.
How is it unlawful?
It’s lawful they’re licensed haha 😅 these people seem to think that these security aren’t allowed to get hands on.
A one punch knockout then leg it!
Yeah right, you would do NOTHING.
@stanlystud1241 you Could do nothing.
Not once did they ask him did he identify as a male, or what his mental state is absolute disgrace
Were gonna sort you out very well in a minute: since you insist So much.
It's not my fault refuses to accept it is his fault!
He’s a little boy
Sew them
The lad doesn't want to sue them. His decision.
No ticket no travel
play the race/nationality card simply say, no habla espaneol, translator por far vor?? and play ignorant with no spiko ing-glish??
To avoid all this trouble, simple solution, just buy a ticket
Is this the reason why more and more people are now CHARGING their Public-servants/ Trustees whenever they want you to DO something for them?
Them- `Get off the train` - `Do what we tell you to do` - etc.,
You- `YES, CERTAINLY (there is now agreement to comply/obey/accommodate them) it`s just that we charge you £999 per hour to DO that for you and because we have NO-CONFIDENCE with you administrating our Trust (the Trust is collapsed so we are no longer granting them any more credit) payment must be with us immediately, thank you`
Please remember that THEY are NOT volunteers.....so why should YOU be?
The secret is just two words......CONDITIONAL acceptance.
You can't demand payment for something on private property you are a guest on.
A train guard is not a public servant, they are a private employee of a limited railway company.
The mindset of people is utterly bizarre.
A basic cornerstone of common law is that you cannot impose yourself on anothers property.
What a Nob😁
Well done young man! Professional and knowledgeable about the law. Gave this numpty fare evader enough chances to get off the train of his own accord and was not intimidated into backing off. When all options had been exhausted he carried out his duty, as he is paid to do, and what we, the honest fare paying public expect, him to do. Respect! Can't stand fare dodgers - they are the reason why train fares are so high.
Not going to argue with who was right or wrong in this case as far too little info ie no evidence if he did try to buy a ticket and nobody there.
But train fare dodgers are not the reason why they are so high. The reason is greedy companies greedy share holders and those owned by foreign ie other European services using us as cash cows to keep their fares cheaper.
Well done to that security guard, handled that idiot very professionally.
Why not just sell the guy a ticket instead off trying to rob him?
You mean the secuirty guard that broke the rules about when you can buy tickets? That removed him without reasonable suspicion of breaking other bylaws?
I dont get it what was the offence? No ticket?
Yh he couldnt buy a ticket at station. And these wouldnt sell him one on train, or allow him to buy at destination. Only two options, were to pay a fine or leave train.
@@swiftandbold ah high way robbery
mind the gap.
How is this unlawful? Don’t be silly.
Fare dodger
Boot licker
Licensed security removing you from private property for not paying, using minimal force after multiple attempts at de escalation. Excellent job done here by the security, 100% legal, professional and well executed
He gave reasons why he hadn't paid. Not sure he did, but if you offer full payment and they refuse it's on them
Or he could be… Lying?
@@LOP2863 If you offer full payment then that's the end of the matter
@@iandavies6575 it really isn’t…
@@iandavies6575
It doesn't matter.
The byelaws are clearly written, he should have had a ticket before boarding a train.
The security were very professional.
Awful behaviour from these nasty people, they just make things up as they go along
The byelaws are really clear and they have every right to lay hands on people to remove people from rail premesis who are travelling without a valid ticket and refuse to leave.
Railways aren't street corners, railway staff, British Transport Police and Enforcement Officers can enforce railway byelaws.
And what are the "byelaws"???? forelock tugger.
@@paolobenmore3504
So there is this website called "Google" right? It's been around for like 25 years, you go to it and then you type in "Railway Byelaws UK" and the first link that appears actually takes you to the byelaws AND explains what they actually are.
Isn't the modern world great????
ignoramus.
no they have the right to remove people with reasonable suspicon they that are breaking the bylaws. Beleive it or not it's perfectly legal to travel ticketless if there is no option to buy a ticket at the start of the journey.
@chrisstreet6827
You're the classic example of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You can only use that defence if the ticket machine was out of order or ticket office was closed.
You'd still need to identify yourself under the byelaws as failing to produce a ticket under Byelaw 18 is enough basis to form reasonable suspicion for an officer.
You'd be entitled to use the defence if the matter went to court but you don't have a blanket defence of "I couldn't get a ticket at the start of my journey" unless a ticket machine was out of order or ticket office was closed - missing your train because you were queuing to buy a ticket isn't a reasonable excuse - it's also a specific offence not to provide your details under the byelaws.
You buy before you travel.
@B-26354 well said that why I pay my 94 quid pass because of people like him and for a officer to do his job to feel intimidated even when he did follow the procedure the officer for which I know who follows everything by the book I'd suggest you start paying before you bunk mate
Well done plod for sorting that muppet out.
Leave the train then you must of did something wrong they don't kick people.of train for nothing.
Sorry I'm not buying this. So there was absolutely no way to buy a ticket at the station, i.e. no ticket machine and the desk was completely shut up, not just the guy had stepped away for a minute to grab a cup of tea or go to the loo? Admit it, you were chancing your luck to see if you could get away without paying. Not slating you for that, I've done it myself plenty of times, but if you do and you get caught out, take it like a man and pay the penalty or leave the train. By refusing to leave until they physically remove you, you're just making yourself look a twat.
Even if all you say was the case, which it weren't. You think this is acceptable behaviour in any situation?.. Would they have acted the same if it was a old lady or a child?? Or young lady travelling alone at nighttime?.. Stupid policy stupid employees.
OK so let's dissect this one piece at a time. What station were you travelling from and what day/time were you travelling?
@@timothyduggan2263 was me mate, think he got on at strand and booted off at Crosby on 20th July.
@@swiftandbold
I think it's acceptable yeah.
You had plenty of chances to leave, you wanted to argue and play the victim, you went up against some guards who knew their powers in law and acted extremely professionally.
The vast majority of society is sick and tired of victim narrative people chancing their luck and getting away with it everytime.
@@GKSC
Reasonable suspicion is enough to enforce a byelaw.
We don't live in a society where every crime has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt in order for police or enforcement officials to do something, that would be unworkable.
Pay like everyone else.. simple
He only had to say ‘ leave pretty please’!!
Asked to leave, told to leave, made to leave, simple, and stupid enough to film it.........
What's wrong, should have bought a ticket simples
Can't buy a ticket when ther is nobody at the ticket sales desk, and your train has arrived.
So no ticket machine at the station either? You can pre purchase them or buy online...
@@tonyb1223 no machine at station. This situation happened very soon after he boarded train, did not get given the option or time to possibly buy one online.
@@swiftandbold but surely they knew they were going to get the train in advance, it takes literally 2 minutes to buy an e-ticket on line on your phone, it does make you think that even with poor planning, they could have done better and it doesn't seem to be late enough for it to be the last train.
@@tonyb1223 yh he knew he was travelling by train. But he did not expect ther to be nobody there at ticket office. Not everybody is able or can afford data to use the Internet as means to buy a ticket. I get your point though that majority of society are able to do this. But ther will always be exceptions, and this was not acceptable behaviour by so called professionals. Both could of ended up under moving train. Hardly worth losing your life over £3.
Not paid dont ride its a simple concept. Just because you have to be somewhere is no excuse.
Kind of is, what if you have a hospital appointment or a job interview but because someone's not at their post you could miss it?
@@jakistuart If its that important then book ahead on line. simple
Dick how are you doing 🤔
@@jakistuart
Use the ticket machine.
Let's be real here, the bloke was lying through his front teeth, chancing his arm for a free ride.
Tossers
Tramp just leave the train 🚉
So camera dude had no ticket ovc you have to get off the young lad was spot on n a credit to any employer
Strange that his employer removed him off the trains then, seen as he such a credit to them.
@@swiftandbold he is just you soft fktards think life is free n u can skip paying for thing's
@@swiftandbold
You stated you weren't the person in the video, how do you know that happened or are you just making it up as you go along?
@@swiftandbold I know him, he changed jobs for a different reason actually.
You where put in your place there
buy before you ride POLICY, would be the key word there olus pretty sure it's not FAIR EVASION if it's not intentional