How to test Throttle Position Sensor (TPS), BMW E36M43
Vložit
- čas přidán 23. 10. 2016
- Symptom in my M43:
Everything normal when engine on but the car doesn't move. The symptom will appear when the car was move and the engine suddenly shutdown. it's happen repeatedly and can't predict.
Terminal test values:
1) Terminal 1 and 3 = approx. 4 kilo ohms
2) Terminal 1 and 2 (with throttle rotated from idle to high position) = test values must shows continuously variable from (approx.) 1 - 4 kilo ohms
Symptom in my M43:
Everything normal when engine on but the car doesn't move. The symptom will appear when the car was move and the engine suddenly shutdown. it's happen repeatedly and can't predict.
Terminal test values:
1) Terminal 1 and 3 = approx. 4 kilo ohms
2) Terminal 1 and 2 (with throttle rotated from idle to high position) = test values must shows continuously variable from (approx.) 1 - 4 kilo ohms
Old TPS:
1-3 pins = Normal 4 KΩ
Result (4.817KΩ)
1-2 pins = Rotate 1/4KΩ
Result stand by (5.308KΩ)
Max Rotation (1.663KΩ)
________________
New TPS:
1-3 pins = Normal 4 KΩ
Result (4.188KΩ)
1-2 pins = Rotate 1/4KΩ
Result stand by (4.445KΩ)
Max Rotation (1.448KΩ)
Incredible that this difference be relevant for the car.
Thanks for your vid bro,best wishes and good health!
My e46 m3 TPS tested 900 to 5.3k ohms, full rotation off car, and works fine. Car ran ruff with loss of power. I cleared the 9 old fault codes in the computer and it runs like a new car. Common problem on some cars.
my m44 engine on cold crank wont start!..but if i turn ignition off then on again and crank engine starts straight away!..could this be the TPS!..it also reads 4 oms
Hi there. M43B18 engine. When I take my foot out of throttle or when I press the clutch, rpms are not going down unless the car stops (at a traffic light) or going up and down (always above 1k to even 3k rpms so it doesn't seem to be related with idle). Any idea if it's something TPS related or something else? Thank you in advance.
Try to clean the idle control valve (icv)
@@motoren_works thanks for the quick reply. I've cleaned my icv in the past and finally replaced it about a year ago. Is there any other possible causes or should I look to the icv again?
@@koarjs1643 i see, i think the icv is okay
Other possibility are bad vacuum hose (replace) or the AFM flap movements is not good (clean).
Hi guys I got a question. I drive a E46. The engine code is the M43B19 it's a 318i. I have similar problems like you. Sometimes the engine shut down if i push the clutch. I did test this sensor like in this video showed. In the first reading i have 4.25 and the second is 4.68. What you think this sensor is failed?
Lars Stimpel hello too. The 1st reading is 4.25 kohm = good. 2nd reading max. 4.68 kohm = good, how about the minimum = ?. Based on the max. Value (without the minimum value in the 2nd reading), i think your TPS is in good condition. But i don't know, whether this methode is suitable for E46M43 also.
The engine shut down if you push the clutch is the same as my experience before i replace my old TPS.
My suggestion as always, to make sure if your TPS was good or bad, please borrow other good TPS and try it.
strart with relays in engine bay
I got a similar symptoms you mentioned in comment below. Did you try to diagnose DME with computer (eg. INPA or DIS)? I've checked errors in my DME and got nothing whereas my engine randomly got rough idle and started to turnoff lately (usually when stopping the car on idle). Usually no symptoms while car is not moving.
Filip Wiącek No, i did not diagnose the DME. Your BMW engine code is M43? If yes, Have you tried to check the AFM flap movement? Try to check the flap movement. If the movement are not smooth, i think the problem is from there. I hope it can help and correct me if i'm wrong
To be exact I own m43b18, so this the same engine as yours. My AFM works correctly, flap movement is smooth, air sensor reads correct values. But to be sure I replaced it for couple of weeks with another one which I'm pretty sure is in good condition (it works well in another, same engine) but there was no difference. This week I'll replace my TPS with the one which works correctly on another car. I'll let you know if this helps.
Filip Wiącek i hope your engine idle will be good again after changing the TPS. Kindly to update the progress in here again.
+Filip Wiącek any update after changing with another? Nice DIY motor
No, not really. I read some materials about INPA software and how to read values which it shows and it seems that I got some unmetered air leak, because my fuel adaptation exceeds the limits - multiplicative is around +40 and additive around +10 whereas shall be around 0 as far as I understand. But cannot find any place where air leak might be, especially that main air hoses are brand new ori BMW. I'm going to check in detail my intake manifold and gasket between it and and the head cylinder, as well as o-rings on injection valves and DISA - I cannot see there might be some other parts that might cause the air leaks in this engine. Maybe you got some idea?
Is this ASMR
hi..my current old tps reading m43 engine
1-3 pins = 3.988KQ
1-2 pins= 4.668KQ
still in working condition? ned to replace
In my opinion your tps is in working condition.
Note: there is no symptom like my bmw (in description)
@@motoren_works currently when cold start rpm not able to hold and just die off by itself.
@@Tommy-wo4hg the symptom was different with mine. When my tps error, engine cold start was normal.
just trying my luck cause already changed all the vacuum hose..
@@Tommy-wo4hg good luck. I think you can check and clean your ICV too
Halo mas, saya mau tanya dong. Ini e36 saya mesinnya M43. Kondisinya kalau ac off : idle pagi2 mesin agak ngayun. Tapi kalau sudah jalan dikit lalu berhenti, idle stabil di 800-850. Kalau AC on : Idle saya naik - turun di 850-900. Saya coba bersihin idle up, pastikan selang airflow rapat, masih naik turun. Kalau jalan kesannya kompressor AC gak mati2 otomatisnya. Tapi kadang mau. Kalau matiin ac, stabil lg. Pernah saya coba reset tps kaya trik2 di youtube itu, eh sempet stabil. Tapi muncul lg kalau abis jalan. Bbm pakai BP 92. Airflow pernah distel sih. Tapi blm service. Kalau dari buka tutupnya saya blm cek. Kira2 apakah tps yg kena atau idle up yah?
Sepengalaman sy, idle ngayun waktu ac on, sumber masalahnya dari idle up. Kalau sudah parah, idle kadang ngayun meskipun tidak ngidupin ac.
Coba bersihin dulu idle up nya. Atau bisa ngetest minjem idle up punya teman yg sehat.
What were your symptoms of failing tps ??
jaz chahal based on my experience, everything normal when engine running and the car not moving. The symptom will appear when the car was move. the engine suddenly shutdown. it's happen repeatedly and can't predict
I believe it could also cause you not to be able to "stomp test" retrieve trouble codes.
Did you experience this Motoren_works?
@@brandonrobishaw7606 Does the stomp test mean moving the accelerator pedal/ revving the engine? if yes, engine works normally as long as the car is not moving
@@motoren_works actually no. On these cars you can do a test "stomp test"
Place the ignition switch in the second position where the lights come on the dash but the car doesn't start
Then immediately put the accelerator pedal to the floor and released five times in a row
Wait a few seconds... The check engine light will flash in sequence of the trouble codes or an all clear code.
Excellent for trouble shooting no scanner needed
Won't work if your throttle positioning sensor is bad or if your throttle cables aren't adjusted properly (test needs to have full range with a stop at each end)
Search" BMW stomp test " you will get much better explanation
I see. Thanks for your information, it will be useful
new tps you bought from china or original one?
I used tps by bosch
thank you so much, where you source it from?
Gan, selamat pagi, mau tanya nih. TPS nya pake merek apa? Saya bingung utk memilih, harga jg variatif, selain itu ada perbedaan harga sngat besar... Trm ksh...
Bosch
@@motoren_works trm ksh Gan..
Mas, saya pin 1 dan 3 = 4.8
Pin 1 dan 2 = 5.3
Ini bikin boros ya? Harus ganti?
Untuk permasalahan yg ditimbulkan TPS di E36 sy sudah sy tuliskan di deskripsi video ini om. Sepengalaman sy, untuk kondisi boros di E36 M43 biasanya ada hubungannya dg setting AFM dan CO
Om tps sy e46 m43 diatas 5 k ohm... engine sih ga pernah tiba2 mati. Tp klo masuk D rpm turun n agak getar, klo Ac on sih ga getar walau rpm turun. Tarikan awal berat n kyknya agak boros. Fix dari tps ya?
Saya tidak bisa langsung menyimpulkan bahwa sumber masalah fix berasal dr TPS om. Karena permasalahan di satu mobil belum tentu sama dg yg lain. Kalo mau mastiin, coba minjem tps punya teman om, jadi kalo salah diagnosis gak rugi jg. Yg paling tepat sebenarnya di scan gitu om.
@@motoren_works siap om
Bro, TPS, Idle Up, ICV, ISC itu sebenernya berbeda atau sama sih di e36 m43? Apa perbedaan penyebuta aja? Thank you
TPS itu part yg ada di video ini. Sedangkan Idle up, ICV, ISC part nya sama, beda penyebutan saja om. Untuk yg ICV partnya yg disebelahnya video ini
@@motoren_works tengkiyuu Om. Maklum newbie 😁😁😁😁😁
@@chocobysnack3849 sama om, sy masih nubie jg kok. Kebetulan pernah mengalami lebih dulu, jadi kebetulan bisa jawab
Om mau tanya,
Waktu mesin on posisi idle ada di rpm 900-1000,
Nah ketika saya nyalakan AC rpm akan drop ke 700-800.
Kadang juga ketika mesin sudah dipakai lama (panas) ketika posisi idle atau waktu pergantian kopling mesin sering mati. Dan gas sedikit lemot.
Itu apakah TPS ya om?
Mesin e36 m43
Noted:saya belum cek TPS seperti tutorial, karena keterbatasan alat
baiknya di test dulu TPS nya om. rpm drop sedikit waktu nyalain AC masih normal, asal dropnya tidak ekstrim dan terus terusan. jika kondisi rpm dropnya ekstrim bahkan cenderung engine mati, sumber masalah biasanya dari ICV/ idle control valve
Siap Om, note Om
Dicoba dibersihkan kyk ditutorial dulu ya. Pakai carbon cleaner atau contact carbon?
Makasih sebelumnya
@@harrisferdianto7042 contact cleaner om
@@motoren_works oh ya contact cleaner hehehe
Makasih om infonya
om, mau tanya, ini solusinya gmn om? e36 m43 saya sama persis kalo pake ac, injek kopling, rpm drop dan kalo paksa di gas malah mledak2 di knalpot kadang lemot.
Hi . I have m40 316 e30 . I changed debimeter , heat exchanger on the engine block . but when engine cold working soo good but when be 85-90 degrees car is not fast whats your think ablut my problem
i have never had a problem like this. i'm sorry i can't give suggestion
@@motoren_works i already fixed , I cleaned the potentiometer and fixed
@@aniluzun2321 nice info. Do you mean the potentiometer is the potentiometer in AFM?
@@motoren_works under the throat
@@aniluzun2321 TPS = throttle position sensor ?
Mas habis copot dan bersihin pedal gas e36 m43, econometer (jarum penunjuk yg dibawah rpm) kog jadi ngaco ya bergeraknya.. .
Padahal sebelumnya pergerakannya bagus, bisa ngikutin seberapa banyak pedal gas di injek.
Yg perlu di perbaiki apanya mas ya ?
Penyakitnya kok aneh mas. Sy beberapa kali lepas copot pedal gas tidak pernah sampai membuat jarum econometer jadi error. Selain bongkar pedal, mungkin omnya ngerjain yg lainkah?
Coba cek konektor dan kabel di belakang instrument cluster, siapa tau kendor
@@motoren_works hanya pedal gas aja mas waktu itu, siap mas nanti cek cluster speedometer nya.. .
How can I find out if I have a m42, m43 or m44 engine in my 318i 1994 bmw?
I think you can find out from the production year (if you never swap your bmw engine) and the engine shape. M42 = 1989-1996; M44 = 1996-2000; M43 = 1991-2002 (2000-2002 use in E46).
M42 and M44 is DOHC, the engine shape quite same. Honestly, this engine in my country is rare, i saw the M44 engine twice. The difference shape between M44 and M43 can be seen from the cylinder head.
M43 (sohc) has a smaller cylinder head shape than M44/M42 (dohc).
In my country, E36 M43 began to be marketed in 1996. So, if you live in my country, i can predict your 1994 bmw has a M42 engine. CMIIW
@@motoren_works
I'm in the Usa.
Check some of my videos on my channel and maybe you can tell me exactly what kind of engine I have it???
And if I had the m43 is it even worth modifying?
@@-Garaj in my opinion, m43 doesn't worth for modifying.
How did you estimated if the tps is broken?
Regular check or is there any sympthom?
Halo om, sy jg cek TPS BMW e46 m43 sy. Nunjukin angka 8.4 kohm. Kok lebih tgi dari 4 kohm y om??? Sy udh ganti tp tetep d angka 8 om. Gmn ya om? Trims
Sy kurang paham apakah nilai di e36 dg di e46 harusnya sama atau tidak.
Takutnya beda tipe, nilainyapun berbeda
@@motoren_works sm aj kok om. Knpa y TPS sy bs high voltase gtu?
@@dennis4896 untuk penyebab high voltagenya sy gak bisa jawab om.
Kalo sy pribadi, selama tidak ada masalah yg muncul, sy abaikan saja
Mas mau tanya lagi, kalau rpm lambat turun ada pengaruh drmana yah?jdi aga serem juga klo gigi ga di netralin mobil jd jalan sendiri..rpm setiap abis ngegas terus lepas nyantol di rpm 1300an...balik normal klo kondisi direm dan berhenti..mohon info..
Pergerakan flap AFM gimana om? Lancarkah. Kadang kalo kurang lancar dikit ngaruh jg ke rpm
@@motoren_works selama ini aman aja sih flapnya ga seret om..bsa dr tps ny g yah?atau icv?yg jelas klo icv saya cabut konektornya klo saya gas baliknya cepet ke bawah normal sbntar terus langsung naik ke normal...klo bgtu ke detect scan ga yah?soalnya saya setiap scan ga ada fail.. -.-
@@wira1512 biasanya sih kalo sudah di scan bakalan kelihatan error2nya om, biasanya ya om :).
Sy share pengalaman saja nih om. ICV error, biasanya muncul ketika AC on, rpm naik turun.
TPS error, mobil sering mati mendadak, tp ketika di starter lg mobil nyala normal.
Saran sy coba dibersihin dulu poros AFM, ICV, dan throttle body pake contact cleaner. Siapa tau setelah kotoran2 di part tersebut dibersihin rpm bisa normal kembali
Sama nih mslhnya dgn e36 m43 sy,,throttle baru dbersihin,icv baru,tps baru,afm udh coba 3 afm kawan yg bagus,yg service an,yg msh segel jg msh nyangkut Rpm nya dsekitaran 1300 lambat turun..please help.!!!🙏🙏😢😰
@@RhadityaHaureza partnya sudah ganti tapi masih belum solved, jadi bingung jawabnya om.
Kondisi selang2 vakum masih baguskah?
How do I convert six pin sensor to 3 pin
I don't have any experience to convert it, sorry
may car runs fine then sometimes almost shuts down when stopping or in traffic the idle becomes erratic sometimes the car wants to shutdown or limps
Try to check and clean the ICV
@@motoren_works i've already cleaned the icv, throttle flap, checked for vacuum leaks cleaned the cam sensor new original maf it went away for awhile then it came back i checked the brake booster hose coz it happens only when i step on the brakes it has cracks i replaced it. it went away now it's happening again
@@mr.bricktop4894 i see. Have u checked the tps?
Whats the sensor next to it?
Idle Control Valve (ICV)
@@motoren_works Thank you! Ive been having idle problems with warm engine. Turns out this was not connected and when connected iddle is even worse. I guess Imma try clean it up and see if it works. Thanks again!
@@r3gizKanalas you're welcome
Fix sepertinya tps saya bermasalah.
1-3 ; 4.90 ohm
1-2 : 5.50 ~ 1.77 ohm
Ada saran beli tps dimana? Apa subtitusi atau copotan ori atau baru kw?
Apa sekalian baru ori tp mahal 😅😅
Bisa coba bersihin gk ya? 😂
Makasih om ilmunya
Sy pribadi baiknya ganti baru saja om. Beli copotan kita tdk tau apakah masih bekerja normal. Dulu sy beli tps di om irfan gustin, istana motor 0856-9117-7838
@@motoren_works siap om trimakasih sarannya. Saya coba contact nonor tsb 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Gan mau tanya nih.. Knp ya rpm skitar 700 , 800 jd cnderung brebet. ICV baru ganti. Sblm ganti lbh parah, rpm drop dan mati. Thnk u
Sy sulit untuk jawabnya om, 700 dan 800 itu biasanya kondisi idle engine. Kondisi track AFM gimana om?
@@motoren_works , oh iya om, saya ga sengaja menemukan, waktu mesin hidup sekitar 700 rmp, yah brebet gitu, saya buka tutup tangki bahan bakar, sketika itu jg rpm stabil bnget 900rpm. Nah tp sy tmbh pusing, apkh sistem tangki ada vent nya? Klo ad mngkin tersumbat gitu...? Dmn letaknya klo ad..? Jd analisa saya tekanan atmosfer mmbantu kerja pompa. Aneh jg nih om tekanan atmosfer yg ga seberapa bs bntu pompa. Tolong analisanya om.
@@zenfatkho8282 kalo buka tutup tangki kemudian rpm jadi normal, belum pernah mengalami om jadi gak bisa ngasih pendapat.
Mau nanya: disekitaran tutup bensin tercium bau bbm? Kondisi selang2 vakum di mesin gimana? Fuel pump kondisi masih bagus atau sudah sekarat?
Trm ksh om, kondisi tekanan pompa blm di cek nih...
@@zenfatkho8282 ada yg kelupaan, coba cek jg fuel expansion tank (harus buka inner fender plastik diatas roda belakang kanan dekat pipa input bbm). Cek selang2nya, tp sy gak tau apakah ngefek ke problem bmw omnya.
Mas, m43 saya kalau engine lagi idle kemudian saya gas ke 2000rpm kemudian dilepas dia ngedrop ke 500/600 rpm sebentar baru naik ke 800 an rpm mas. Jafi mesin sempet geter sedikit itu kenapa ya mas kira2. Mohon bantuan mas e
Coba cek gerakan buka-tutup flap AFM mas. Kalau kurang lancar coba bersihin porosnya
@@motoren_works AFM sudah diganti baru mas tapi tetep sama nih
@@kingtechreviewer3423 sudah bersihin part2 yg kira2 ada penumpukan debu/kotoran mas, misal ICV/idle up, throttle body, cek selang2 vakum (kalau sudah jelek ganti). Tetapi kalau sudah cek dan bersih2 ternyata gejala masih muncul, coba dicek pake scanner mas, siapa tahu ketahuan errornya dimana?
Pak, e36 m50b20tu saya saat ac hidup trus injak kopling rpm nya tertahan di rpm 2000. Sudah ganti tps baru masih belum baik, apa yang harus dilakukan?
aldo muhammad wirangga kalo di M43 sy, TPS rusak mengakibatkan mesin mati ketika injak kopling dan mau ganti gigi. Kalo M20 sy kurang paham pak, tp coba cek air mass dan idle up nya, kalo kotor coba bersihkan. Cek juga selang2 vakum, takutnya ada yg bocor. Kalo pengen lebih valid kira2 part mana yg error, mending di scan ke bengkel/teman yg punya scanner
@SadamGA Gamer kalo part barunya sesuai spesifikasi, seharusnya plug n play om
@SadamGA Gamer sy biasanya ke istana motor jakarta CP: irfan gustin +62 856-9117-7838
Kalo yg ecommerce coba ke berdikari motor
Om tps nya merk apa? Kisaran brp harga nya
Merk bosch om, kalo gak salah dulu harganya 400rb an. Besok coba saya liatin lg di bill nya
Beli nya dmn om? Saya cari di online gak ada yg merk bosch
@@cucungnyaazmi5034 sy belinya di Istana Motor Jakarta (om Irfan Gustin, hp: +62 856-9117-7838). Bisa ngirim jg om
Om kalo udah di pasang apa ada yang di setting lagi?
@@cucungnyaazmi5034 gak ada yg di setting lg om, tinggal plug n play saja
Mas TPS ku
Pin 1-3 6.x Ohm
Pin 1-2 6.xOhm
Fix minta jajan ini ya?...😊
Ada problemkah mas? Kalau masih aman tetap dipakai saja. Untuk jaga2 bisa beli buat cadangan, jika tiba2 muncul problemnya
@@motoren_works sering terjadi setelah saya setting airflow,mobil jadi Ndut Ndut dan mbrebet serta boros,lalu reset TPS mobil pake jalan normal tetapi setelah kendaraan off agak lama lebih dari satu jam ,begitu starter pake jalan Ndut Ndut mbrebet, reset TPS normal dan berulang seperti itu ..
Iya ini masih dipakai sembari nunggu TPS datang
@@azkafazza3442 reset tps gimana caranya mas? Pake scanner?
Kalau mobil jadi brebet dan boros setelah setting AFM, kemungkinannya salah setting. Kayaknya settingannya terlalu rich.
@@motoren_works reset manual saya ikuti petunjuk langkah nya di Grup FB E36 memang bukan untuk M43 tapi saya coba kok berhasil,ini tadi seharian dipake jalan normal tanpa mbrebet...
Dan satu lagi Mas lidah airflow yg nyenggol lapisan Carbon cara settingnya bagaimana ??
@@azkafazza3442 lidah AFM gak pernah sy setting mas
TRIPOD!!!!!