Diogenes: The Most Eccentric Philosopher

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  • @Biographics
    @Biographics  Před 5 lety +124

    Thank you Brilliant for making this one possible! Get 20% off their annual subscription here: brilliant.org/Biographics/

  • @1xoACEox1
    @1xoACEox1 Před 5 lety +833

    Its also said he used to sit at the front of Platos lectures and eat loudly.

    • @captainanopheles4307
      @captainanopheles4307 Před 5 lety +112

      And defecate at moments of ridicule.

    • @snoookie456
      @snoookie456 Před 5 lety +142

      My favorite twist on that is eating loudly at a lecture of his on self-restraint and someone took his stick away from him and started hitting him for eating loudly.
      Diogenes' reply to the frustrated man was something along the lines of "I'm giving you figs straight from the tree and you knock them off my hand, preferring to look at fake ones in a painting".
      He always found the punchline. A lot of people considered his actions just random repulsive acts of pointless provocation or as if he was just trying to appear interesting.
      But in every account there's an obvious lesson to be learned.

    • @jaymcd8577
      @jaymcd8577 Před 5 lety +8

      lmao

    • @elgordobondiola
      @elgordobondiola Před 3 lety +12

      He's a the kid in class that chews food with his mouth open during a class presentation

    • @NecrologistALT
      @NecrologistALT Před 3 lety +7

      Ancient Greek JSchlatt

  • @roseredthorns
    @roseredthorns Před 4 lety +1258

    "in a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face" - based Diogenes

    • @Gabriel-se9el
      @Gabriel-se9el Před 4 lety +44

      never said it, probably never thought it. Pseudo comments sound great until you realise some regular sweaty nerd came up with it in their basement bedroom.

    • @iwanabana
      @iwanabana Před 4 lety +122

      "Never trust the legitimacy of random musings of men on the web" - Abraham Lincoln

    • @Gabriel-se9el
      @Gabriel-se9el Před 4 lety +12

      @@iwanabana ahah tbf I wouldn't be too surprised if he actually did the guy was so ahead of his time

    • @Nothing_serious
      @Nothing_serious Před 4 lety +33

      "Diogenes is the man" -Albert Einstein

    • @movietimeateds69
      @movietimeateds69 Před 3 lety

      @@iwanabana well played. I applaud you.

  • @imperiumgraecum9126
    @imperiumgraecum9126 Před 5 lety +2787

    Greek here, one small detail, which I see most non-greek documentaries about Diogenes fail to mention:
    Diogenes's exact answer to Alexander in Greek was: "Αποσκότησόν με", which literally means "un-darken me". However, that verb has both a literal and a metaphorical interpretation.
    Alexander, as the great king that he portraited himself, promised to give Diogenes anything that he would wish for. Upon hearing that, Diogenes requested that he "be removed from the darkness" of ignorance, aka be enlightened. Alexander, realizing that even he couldn't possibly give Diogenes any knowledge that he didn't already possess, walked away mumbling.

    • @bernardocoto8519
      @bernardocoto8519 Před 5 lety +234

      I've heard this interpretation and find it worthy of Diogenes, it's brilliant.

    • @3EBstudio
      @3EBstudio Před 5 lety +17

      thanks to plato lol

    • @crazymustard7915
      @crazymustard7915 Před 5 lety +8

      what did he mumble?

    • @frenchguitarguy1091
      @frenchguitarguy1091 Před 4 lety +37

      I wish this kind of double meaning was possible in English

    • @overlookqbrick7951
      @overlookqbrick7951 Před 4 lety +24

      thank you for having such a grasp of both languages to share this with us.

  • @JimLockwoodShow
    @JimLockwoodShow Před 4 lety +1817

    I love this philosopher. He was the troll of the ancient world

    • @Biographics
      @Biographics  Před 4 lety +236

      OG troll.

    • @logicalmalethink4925
      @logicalmalethink4925 Před 3 lety +2

      Yea no responsibilities... weak man.

    • @kumidodasilva6241
      @kumidodasilva6241 Před 3 lety +17

      MalLa 225 oh poor diogenes.. such a weak, free and happy person.. it’s so much better to be responsable, sad and stupid..

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 Před 3 lety +5

      Yeah, no. There was a counterpoint against social complacency, a purpose, in his actions. Trolls are just morons happy to inflict the wastage of their own time on other peoples'.

    • @kingofthehamsters
      @kingofthehamsters Před 3 lety +28

      He would be disgusted or amused at your lack of understanding of the points he was making. He was holding a warped mirror to the world and its concerns that everyone accepted readily. These others here have called him weak. Yet I wonder if they could what they did, live as a homeless person in the ancient world, as a point of principle. The man was sharp enough to have lectured publicly. He could have made his way as a celebrated teacher if he had softened his stance just a little. But he didn't. He took his philosophical stance to the extreme because he truely didn't give a crap about the vanities and trifles that we, as those then, think essential. The reeking herd, the polluted flock. That's strength that these here cannot comprehend let alone copy. I certainly couldn't live like that. Homelessness is horrible enough in the modern world, back then it would have been hell.

  • @donaldgoodinson7550
    @donaldgoodinson7550 Před 4 lety +479

    Simon,you missed out the story when he was roaming the streets during daylight with a lighted lamp. When asked what he was doing he replied 'looking for an honest man

    • @wanderer3320
      @wanderer3320 Před 2 lety +7

      You missed cut out the last part of that quote. "I'm looking for honest men, so I may poop upon their floors"

    • @worlore1651
      @worlore1651 Před 2 lety +6

      the actual quote is that he was looking for a human

  • @snakey934Snakeybakey
    @snakey934Snakeybakey Před 4 lety +1142

    According to Greek sources, after Alexander said: "why, If I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes" Diogenes replied: "and if I were not Diogenes, I would wish to be Diogenes"

    • @braindose5038
      @braindose5038 Před 3 lety +69

      Savage

    • @ramonpizarro
      @ramonpizarro Před 3 lety +59

      If I was you, I'd wanna be me too

    • @graphospasm5394
      @graphospasm5394 Před 3 lety +34

      That's really interesting that Alaxander with so much ambition and greed would want to be like diogenes. They lived nearly opposite lives. I could see diogenes never wanting to be anyone else tho

    • @tonyar952
      @tonyar952 Před 2 lety +1

      👑

    • @MouseHuntExtendedDirectorsCut
      @MouseHuntExtendedDirectorsCut Před rokem +3

      @@graphospasm5394 the point was that Diogenes asked something so blatantly outside of the power of Alexander that it made all of his pomp and praise seem irrelevant, what Alexander meant was that Diogenes had discovered a power beyond what any man was capable of granting. So to ask it was to demonstrate the absurdity of mankind’s arrogance. Alexander understood this and that’s the meaning of his comment.

  • @blueberrymcphuckerson9821
    @blueberrymcphuckerson9821 Před 5 lety +673

    00:12:38 You forgot the best part: Diogenes' response to Alexander's wish to be him. In response, Diogenes said "Yes, if I also was Alexander the Great *_I, too, would wish to be Diogenes."_*

    • @thejudgmentalcat
      @thejudgmentalcat Před 5 lety +8

      SNAAAP!

    • @ClayWar237
      @ClayWar237 Před 5 lety +48

      _the absolute madman_

    • @Yaya-ni3ie
      @Yaya-ni3ie Před 5 lety +5

      hahahaha what a rascal

    • @DeathToTheDictators
      @DeathToTheDictators Před 5 lety +26

      lol He really was a brave man, considering Alexander was such a psycho he sometimes killed friends (while in a drunken rage).
      I'm just recently discovering the lesser known stoics like Diogenes and Epictetus and Seneca (almost EVERYONE knows Socrates and Plato), and MORE people should hear this amazing stuff.
      Thanks for the telling us 'the best part' lol

    • @MarcillaSmith
      @MarcillaSmith Před 5 lety +33

      Pray excuse my nit-picking, but I heard the line (in response to Mr. the Great's, "if I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes") as, "... and if I were not Diogenes, then I would also wish to be Diogenes"

  • @StraboSE
    @StraboSE Před 5 lety +886

    I respect anyone who spanks it in a barrel in the middle of town.

    • @maxsteele3686
      @maxsteele3686 Před 4 lety +104

      Gregory Bycraft You fool, why limit yourself to such animalistic solitude when apparently there’s hot single moms in your area?! More left for me, I guess

    • @mr.nolife4697
      @mr.nolife4697 Před 4 lety +42

      @@maxsteele3686 you sir are quite obviously the true philosopher of this video

    • @chicago_rocker23
      @chicago_rocker23 Před 3 lety +4

      Well I'm willing to bet you respect a lot more people then you may think.

    • @squidge7436
      @squidge7436 Před 3 lety +3

      Nah dude, he would even do it in the middle of the street if he had a sudden urge.

    • @Reblwitoutacause
      @Reblwitoutacause Před 3 lety +8

      That’s what you say, until you see it irl.
      Everyone a philosophical gangsta til the barrel appears in the town square...

  • @Daniel-kq4bx
    @Daniel-kq4bx Před 4 lety +289

    Random guy: Please dont spit inside my mansion Diogenes
    Diogenes : Peace was never an option

  • @willsplayify
    @willsplayify Před 4 lety +207

    "you are too powerful to need me and I am too self sufficient to need you"
    WTH This mad man, he speaks to Alexander as an equal.

    • @IPA300
      @IPA300 Před 3 lety +16

      Was Alexander more of a man just because he could kill more than Diogenes?

    • @disbeafakename167
      @disbeafakename167 Před 3 lety +8

      @@IPA300 I'd think most people would hold building an empire above spanking it in a barrel and begging.

    • @jgrj52
      @jgrj52 Před 3 lety +22

      @@disbeafakename167 some would and others would not

    • @denniswachira4204
      @denniswachira4204 Před 3 lety +4

      He is an equal by all rights

    • @FlyingUnosaur
      @FlyingUnosaur Před 3 lety +1

      @@denniswachira4204 which rights?

  • @dafttool
    @dafttool Před 5 lety +1613

    *Homelessness is like graduate school for philosophy* 🤔

    • @kennethmartin8715
      @kennethmartin8715 Před 5 lety +86

      Then where's my PhD??

    • @dafttool
      @dafttool Před 5 lety +131

      Kenneth Martin You don’t need to be lugging around an awkward sized piece of paper. Cast away your greedy materialism & embrace the purity of holding nothing 🤔

    • @AtticusDraco
      @AtticusDraco Před 5 lety +10

      Ken needs to find his "Happy Graduation!" wine jar

    • @EclecticoIconoclasta
      @EclecticoIconoclasta Před 5 lety +31

      Just don´t become a drug addict since in that situation you will be wasting your precious time in looking for money for drugs instead of on working on your philosophy

    • @MarcillaSmith
      @MarcillaSmith Před 5 lety +11

      @@EclecticoIconoclasta Clearly you missed the "dual degree" section of the department's graduate catalog

  • @beau-tiful1443
    @beau-tiful1443 Před 5 lety +1098

    *runs in with a featherless chicken*
    BEHOLD A MAN!!!
    *Throws chicken on the ground and leaves*

    • @fundude6127
      @fundude6127 Před 5 lety +166

      Smell ya later, deliberator.

    • @Swolekamania
      @Swolekamania Před 5 lety +32

      I came here for that comment

    • @Leftyotism
      @Leftyotism Před 5 lety +12

      lmfao, hard not getting killed for things like that back in the day in this place i am

    • @NoobNoob-ss5hs
      @NoobNoob-ss5hs Před 5 lety +1

      Conquer my feet. Snoot the foot.

    • @hazeldecker622
      @hazeldecker622 Před 5 lety +4

      Seems legit.

  • @deeznuts6907
    @deeznuts6907 Před rokem +46

    When confronted with jerking in public he responded “ If only it were so easy to soothe hunger by rubbing an empty belly” dude had bars

  • @pauls9331
    @pauls9331 Před 5 lety +432

    Diogenes roasted Plato with that that chicken gag.

    • @gvaron2391
      @gvaron2391 Před 5 lety +39

      He also shat himself during lectures, so he could ruin them

    • @nikolai9520
      @nikolai9520 Před 5 lety +2

      @@gvaron2391 really?! What was the source for those events?

    • @alancat2705
      @alancat2705 Před 4 lety +5

      in which Plato probably roasted the chicken in revenge .....finger lickin good !.

    • @bobblybob4351
      @bobblybob4351 Před 4 lety +3

      does anyone wonder if he had schizophrenia and also ptsd after being in jail?

    • @nietzschesghost8529
      @nietzschesghost8529 Před 4 lety

      He would've been better off roasting the chicken.

  • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
    @marloyorkrodriguez9975 Před 3 lety +195

    I remember Diogenes once reprimanding a harlot’s son when the kid spat on him, the philosopher said ‘careful now you might spat on your father’

  • @SkinnerNoah
    @SkinnerNoah Před 4 lety +296

    Imagine if diogenes existed today. I'd give it a half hour before he got himself arrested

  • @joniriihonen5397
    @joniriihonen5397 Před 5 lety +364

    I'd like to correct one thing: Diogenes was NOT a stoic. He taught his philosophy,now called cynicism, to the teacher of stoicisms founder. There is a clear relation between stoicism and cynicism, but Diogenes was not an actual stoic.

    • @mahdisabour4436
      @mahdisabour4436 Před 4 lety +15

      Yes! Thank you for your comment! I was so confused because I clearly remember reading many times "Diogenes the cynic" in different books.

    • @faelreklaw8837
      @faelreklaw8837 Před 3 lety +17

      In fact cynicism means dogism in English if I translated literally in Hellenic. Cyon κύων is dog. Don't forget they called him Diogenes The Dog Διογένης ο κύων. It's a shame that Hellenic is 30% of all Indo-European languages and some others and still people don't know the importance and history of this language. They even call the country and inhabitants the wrong name.

    • @siggyincr7447
      @siggyincr7447 Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks for clarifying that. Watching the video I was a bit confused as to how he was stoic. From what I know of stoicism, he didn't seem to fit the bill.

    • @starrattmaster
      @starrattmaster Před 3 lety +7

      @@faelreklaw8837 and Greeks probably also call all countries around the world the wrong name. It’s not unusual, and especially doesn’t merit having a chip on your shoulder about it.

    • @jmolvin9055
      @jmolvin9055 Před 2 lety +3

      Hmm yeah from what I heard of him he acted with incredible stoicism by not "freaking out" under stressful circumstances like most individuals would.

  • @edstirling
    @edstirling Před 5 lety +215

    diogenes sounds like a character will ferrell should be playing in his next movie.

    • @DMitr0
      @DMitr0 Před 4 lety +2

      in bill & ted 3

    • @maxsteele3686
      @maxsteele3686 Před 4 lety +13

      I actually imagine Danny McBride playing this role perfectly

  • @Yggi11
    @Yggi11 Před 4 lety +214

    "He remained single by choice..."
    I don't think this guy was exactly tripping over women, anyway.

    • @awonoto
      @awonoto Před 3 lety +42

      “He remained single by lack of choice” would be an equally valid statement.

    • @flavio7180
      @flavio7180 Před 3 lety

      By choice? Doesn’t that make him gay?

    • @arpitthakur45
      @arpitthakur45 Před 3 lety +5

      @@flavio7180 he could have dated men you see.... gays have a choice of being single too...even if he was...

    • @flavio7180
      @flavio7180 Před 3 lety +1

      @@arpitthakur45 I’m only kidding. Check out “Hilarious Ugandan interview” and you’ll see where I took the joke.

    • @Mikeanglo
      @Mikeanglo Před 2 lety +3

      He chose the life he lived, so who is to say that he wouldn't have been drowning in pussy if he had chose to live like everyone else. Technically still his choice to live that way.

  • @Constantine_IA
    @Constantine_IA Před 5 lety +212

    Diogenes the first Jedi master

  • @Fro00ot0
    @Fro00ot0 Před 5 lety +190

    I kind of want to see a sitcom with Alexander the Great and Diogenes

    • @funkk
      @funkk Před 5 lety +7

      I'm picturing an ancient Kramer as Diogenes...

    • @islandboy9381
      @islandboy9381 Před 5 lety +24

      nah fam diogenes trolling plato all the time is way better material

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 Před 4 lety +8

      And Plato. And a chicken.

    • @wanderer3320
      @wanderer3320 Před 2 lety +2

      Diogenes would poop on the floor of the set

    • @joshuacaithness678
      @joshuacaithness678 Před rokem +2

      I'm thinking Robert Downey Jr as Diogenes?

  • @__prometheus__
    @__prometheus__ Před 5 lety +53

    Diogenes the Unroastable

  • @Frosty-yy7oq
    @Frosty-yy7oq Před 3 lety +14

    My favorite quote of his was said when we was rummaging through bones. Alexander asked him what he was doing and he replied: "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave."

  • @joeplumley3238
    @joeplumley3238 Před 5 lety +307

    This dude would be called a bum nowadays.

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 Před 5 lety +9

      Either that or more bonkers than a box of frogs. Not that the two are mutually exclusive.

    • @2Dmensions
      @2Dmensions Před 5 lety +93

      Seems like he was called a bum back then as well. Just depends on how you interpret his philosophy.

    • @calebchristensen900
      @calebchristensen900 Před 5 lety +22

      Nah this dude would be way to funny. Someone would offer him a stage. He’d still be like hose actors that live in studios but have millions of dollars.

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 Před 5 lety +24

      He was a bum two and a half thousand years ago too.

    • @fastinradfordable
      @fastinradfordable Před 5 lety +12

      nowadays, I call him my hero

  • @joshuamonroe8968
    @joshuamonroe8968 Před 5 lety +281

    Diogenes also found a woman bowing to a statue of a God to which he replied, "Are you not afraid good woman, with the gods being omnipresent, that by attempting to show your virtue, you are in fact showing your arse?"
    He has also been quoted as saying "Blushing is the color of virtue."
    (Probably said after the woman became embarrassed at what he had just pointed out.)

  • @karlamay_
    @karlamay_ Před 4 lety +57

    I could only imagine Diogenes replying to Alexander:
    "If I was you, I wanna be me too..."

  • @benb3316
    @benb3316 Před 5 lety +120

    Really good one.
    Note also there's a story about Alexander (Iskander in the East) and how he decided not to go further into India. Besides his army ready to mutiny on him and all that.
    He met a Brahman on asking for an area's leader to conquer/bribe/threaten him. Found a nearly naked old man with a bowl under a tree. Though more polite he reminded him much of Diogenes. Nothing he could offer or threaten him with so he left.

    • @roysmith5711
      @roysmith5711 Před 4 lety +10

      The man had said to Alexander, "Alexander, you are being a nuisance to yourself and everyone around you"

    • @thatoneneeko2131
      @thatoneneeko2131 Před 2 lety

      Ghandi's prototype

  • @MrEricleblanc26
    @MrEricleblanc26 Před 5 lety +146

    He's the dude of ancient greece.

    • @rednarok
      @rednarok Před 4 lety +1

      @Andrew Brent most likely since drugs were legal before the catholic church came.

    • @KenMabie
      @KenMabie Před 4 lety +6

      @@rednarok umm drugs were legal after the Catholic Church came too Cannabis wasn't made illegal in America until the 1930s ... There's many reports of Queen Victoria eating hash laced candies for her period cramps... And opium dens were on every street corner during the wild west days...
      How stupid are you to think the Catholic Church is what outlawed drugs...

    • @KenMabie
      @KenMabie Před 4 lety +1

      @Andrew Brent most likely no since Cannabis ... The Indian hemp plant wouldn't have made its way to Greece by that time
      .. but then again maybe it did ... Any instances of Greek hemp cloth?
      Also obligatory Mel Brooks reference ... "ROMAN RED!"

    • @rednarok
      @rednarok Před 3 lety

      @@KenMabie so, in Rome, before the Christian religion took hold there used to be mass gatherings where intelligent people would use drugs with similar effects as LSD.

    • @rednarok
      @rednarok Před 2 lety

      @@KenMabie as stupid as all the romans who outlawed drugs for the church.

  • @dorianphilotheates3769
    @dorianphilotheates3769 Před 4 lety +25

    The standard of a culture’s greatness is indicated by the degree to which it respects its bums...

  • @mikepuppetz9
    @mikepuppetz9 Před 5 lety +366

    Diogenes would've been in heaven if 4chan existed in his time.

    • @islandboy9381
      @islandboy9381 Před 5 lety +123

      he would've considered even 4chan too conformist and too materialist in terms of social community

    • @coe8159
      @coe8159 Před 3 lety +10

      He’s definitely in heaven if heaven exists.

    • @makutas-v261
      @makutas-v261 Před 3 lety +24

      @@islandboy9381 And too full of self serving psychological complexes, self-validations, self-justification and irrational anger towards whatever fictional character they don't like at the moment.

    • @writeordie5452
      @writeordie5452 Před 2 lety +1

      Please, people on 4chan are degenerates, not dogs.

    • @Erockarmy
      @Erockarmy Před rokem +2

      @@islandboy9381 he would’ve been a lolcow idk why people think he was so great troll when he was deadass serious about his insane beliefs

  • @chickitychina6784
    @chickitychina6784 Před 2 lety +4

    “Why is the man, who calls me a dog, surprised when I piss on him?” - Diogenes of Sinope

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 Před 3 lety +22

    0:50 - Chapter 1 - Beginnings
    2:15 - Chapter 2 - Exile
    3:25 - Chapter 3 - Citizen of the world
    7:10 - Chapter 4 - Writings
    9:25 - Mid roll ads
    10:40 - Chapter 5 - Taken captive
    13:40 - Chapter 6 - Self mastery
    14:35 - Chapter 7 - Diogenes vs plato

  • @controversialgaming1364
    @controversialgaming1364 Před 4 lety +24

    Funny how his ideas on living life is so relevant in these days

  • @inhumanassassin6302
    @inhumanassassin6302 Před 4 lety +161

    If Diogenes had a smartphone and internet; he would have made memes, the likes of which this world has never seen before!

    • @fructosecornsyrup5759
      @fructosecornsyrup5759 Před 3 lety +15

      More likely he'd find them frivolous and not buy them in the first place lol

    • @raymondduplessis3491
      @raymondduplessis3491 Před 2 lety +1

      He was reincarnated as Doug Stanhope and George Carlin

    • @wanderer3320
      @wanderer3320 Před 2 lety +1

      He would use his newly obtained smart phone to track you down and poop on your floor

    • @Nostalgicus
      @Nostalgicus Před rokem

      @@fructosecornsyrup5759 👌

    • @dlcsucks2019
      @dlcsucks2019 Před 9 měsíci

      He would never use either smartphone or internet

  • @bretcaron
    @bretcaron Před 5 lety +95

    Spiritual ancestor of Andy Kaufman and every troll. Bravo to Diogenes and to the balls to do it without anonymity.

  • @Thurgoodlucas
    @Thurgoodlucas Před 5 lety +50

    I literally just heard about this man from a post on IG and lemme tell you...i can't hate the man

    • @loneronin6813
      @loneronin6813 Před 5 lety +10

      If there's one thing I have to respect about him, it was his wicked whit and his sheer absence of fear, even when dismissing Alexander the Great himself. Based on those quotes, it seems to me that he wasn't one to respect someone by their rank in society, but their merits as individuals. I'm probably completely off-base, but it seems to me that's what he was eluding to. :)

    • @M12GProductions
      @M12GProductions Před 3 lety

      What post?

  • @giulioaprati338
    @giulioaprati338 Před 5 lety +350

    Who saw it on Sam O'Nella before coming here?

  • @farticlesofconflatulation
    @farticlesofconflatulation Před 5 lety +21

    The patron saint of “keeping it real”

  • @philthy122
    @philthy122 Před 5 lety +56

    There was a woman in my home town when I was a kid who was very much like Diogenes...except she use to scream at traffic and as far as I remember she only shat in public once.

  • @tuts351
    @tuts351 Před 5 lety +8

    I have been waiting for this for such a long time.

  • @gailcbull
    @gailcbull Před 4 lety +8

    Diogenes would have loved social media. It's taken his idea of "any act that you do in private, you should in public" to whole new exhibitionist levels.

  • @b.e.nbairesenglishnatives7020

    Simón, I'm one of those silent listeners who truly enjoy your videos. Today I clicked the like button and subscribed. Best to you.

  • @snoookie456
    @snoookie456 Před 5 lety +14

    Rarely I find proper content on my favorite philosopher. Thanks for doing your research and formulating this video in such a way, it's a breath of fresh air to see a serious take on the subjects I'm most interested in.

    • @nikolai9520
      @nikolai9520 Před 5 lety +1

      This synopsis only skims certain anecdotes and doesn't apply much thought to what his philosophy strived for. Quite a bit has been left out.
      In 2012, I came across a very rare account on how disciplined he was when it came to his sexual appetites. Also there are two stories from Aesop, one that shows him displaying a favouritism in his treatment others. Upon first reading, it seems that he condescending for being ignored when he was about give thanks for help. Yet the moral is that supplying kindness to others should not be offered whimsically.
      Personally, this last account can be seen as having influenced some Stoics' position on ethics.

    • @snoookie456
      @snoookie456 Před 5 lety

      @@nikolai9520 Well every account leaves out a lot of the info (at least a lot of the info I've managed to find on Diogenes), even though there isn't much info on him at all.
      But this one at least deals with respect to its subject, anything else on youtube is just a travesty.
      But, aside from the fact that I haven't read what you found out in 2012, what I really strive for is people understanding that when it comes to Diogenes, every story had its meaning. I've had too many people to talk to about this who think Diogenes was just seeking attention. Even if he was, which is not something you can ever prove anyway, every anecdote served a purpose, every provocation had a meaning to it. Sadly, most of it gets lost on translation and interpretation. It's hard to separate fact from fiction and there are a lot of treasures that are missed when it comes to Diogenes, specifically the ones you have to dig through etymology for to find real context. But given the fact that this can't be done in a 2 hour presentation (trust me, I've tried), let alone 10-20 minutes of youtube video, I could settle for just being respectful to your source material. Which this guy is.

    • @nikolai9520
      @nikolai9520 Před 5 lety

      @@snoookie456 Any material that offers educational insight, be it CZcams or otherwise, should be a bit more thorough in what it presents. I have studied enough of the Hellenistic period to make comments that are substantive and worth probing, so I question and often challenge information pertaining to a thinker I respect and has been greatly misinterpreted by many people. If this posting is a resource, it only offers a general overview with some questionable and incomplete interpretations. My comments serve to steer those who care about the subject matter to the source material or discussions on the topic of cynical philosophy for the sake of an accurate understanding.
      Of course, each story or anecdote can be taken on its own, but since philosophers tend to be consistent in thought and personal objectives, it is not too difficult to connect Diogenes' perspectives with other things he does and says. In no way shape or form would I admit that I fully understand him or appreciate all that he has done, but studying philosophy consists in being open minded to what's presented. Some of his anecdotes are intentionally ambiguous, so it becomes an exercise in trying to get into his mindset.
      Even if Diogenes is a fictional character, there is still reason to examine and learn from what's been said. Consider Aesop's fables, Plato's allegories, and other philosophical tropes; there are lessons for continual rumination.
      If you care to read what I came across in 2012, it can be found in "Diogenes the Cynic: Sayings and Anecdotes with Other Popular Moralists" published by Oxford University Press. It is a combination of what is in Diogenes Laertius' Lives of eminent philosophers, but it is the odd passage from Stobaeus, Aelian, Gnomologium Vaticanum, and others that makes this collection most helpful for anyone conducting academic research at any level.

    • @dlcsucks2019
      @dlcsucks2019 Před 9 měsíci

      You need to learn to search better

  • @EuphoricTincture
    @EuphoricTincture Před 5 lety +21

    Thank you for covering Diogenes of Sinope. One of the best books I've read on him is "Diogenes the Cynic: War Against the World" by Luis E. Navia.

    • @wanderer3320
      @wanderer3320 Před 2 lety

      I prefer "That time when Diogenes wage war on the world by pooping all over floors"

  • @matthewmckenna248
    @matthewmckenna248 Před 5 lety +62

    Could you cover Otto Skorzney? He was a fascinating character.

  • @sentimental-trooper259

    Yay! Been asking for this one for awhile! Thank you. Brilliant video as per usual.

  • @scottishcatdad993
    @scottishcatdad993 Před 5 lety +2

    Finally, my favorite video! You are awesome!

  • @VVEmil
    @VVEmil Před 4 lety +14

    The absolute madlad!

  • @alexandrosgaitanas9148
    @alexandrosgaitanas9148 Před 5 lety +13

    his answer to Alexander was..."get me out of darkness"...

  • @luchermans6512
    @luchermans6512 Před 4 lety +10

    "Ruling over men."
    Not the answer they expected.

  • @philippvoid1800
    @philippvoid1800 Před 5 lety +41

    i cant believe it.. a biography about my idol! for real. i am greek and grew up in athens. ancient philosophers were always my inspiration. living in thrash to become enlightened, lol

  • @williamthefloridano5290
    @williamthefloridano5290 Před 4 lety +14

    If I weren’t Diogenes, I would also want to be Diogenes.

  • @haggardkicks
    @haggardkicks Před 5 lety +11

    OMG!!! thanks !!!! i wanted to learn more about this guy for the longest time. but the best way i like to learn this type of stuff is passively while i do other things. or when im just sitting around wanting to watch a documentary. but there is none of this guy, they always focus on the other big players. but then again, i dont look that hard.

  • @michaelcoleman8278
    @michaelcoleman8278 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for providing! A true legend!

  • @jt______
    @jt______ Před 5 lety +14

    Diogenes, the original "I'm a simple man"

  • @jtrlatinist2227
    @jtrlatinist2227 Před 5 lety +6

    Love this philosophy videos.
    Can you please do unknown philosophers.
    Also, would you do some Catholic philosophers and theologians like Thomas Aquinas?
    Thanks for watching your stuff for years. I'm also subscribed every channel you got!

  • @DavidSmith-ef4eh
    @DavidSmith-ef4eh Před 5 lety +13

    I see Diogenes, I click.

  • @bothapussiahgray9434
    @bothapussiahgray9434 Před 4 lety

    Been waitin on this one

  • @elendal
    @elendal Před 5 lety +12

    You are one of the best content creator on CZcams. Thank you.

  • @LungsOutJem
    @LungsOutJem Před 5 lety +78

    Dude was so close to figuring out Buddhism. 🧘‍♂️

    • @LoudPaintings
      @LoudPaintings Před 4 lety +12

      J. C. Seems like he did

    • @davyroger3773
      @davyroger3773 Před 4 lety +13

      Stoicism and Buddhism are pretty similar in a lot of ways

    • @Ruby321123
      @Ruby321123 Před 4 lety +1

      @Andrew Brent I very much agree.

    • @VulpesFidelis
      @VulpesFidelis Před 3 lety

      I saw a lot of Eastern ascetic paths in his stuff, too.

    • @awonoto
      @awonoto Před 3 lety

      Probably close to Zhuangzi.

  • @dragonfangalexander
    @dragonfangalexander Před 5 lety +18

    In my country, philosophy in highschool doesn't touch on diogenes (nor cinism or stoicism).
    I introduce my students everytime i began class, right after i finish with the greek trinity. And is always one of the better more enlightened classes, specially when it reaches the dialogues between him and Alexander.

    • @jamesclark1736
      @jamesclark1736 Před 4 lety +1

      What country has philosophy in high school?

    • @JC-xi3rm
      @JC-xi3rm Před 3 lety

      Where do you get your sources?

    • @hyperspacejester7377
      @hyperspacejester7377 Před rokem

      I wonder why stoicism and cynicism would be left out of the modern curriculum!? 🤔

  • @shiteetah
    @shiteetah Před 4 lety +1

    I had never heard of Diogenes until now. Thank you!

  • @aaronbertman2406
    @aaronbertman2406 Před 4 lety +1

    Articulated well enough to entertain and enlighten a layman such as myself. Thank you, Sir.

  • @PokemonRedSox
    @PokemonRedSox Před 5 lety +78

    Not including Nick Cage, this is honestly my favourite person from history

  • @williamgreenway1785
    @williamgreenway1785 Před 3 lety +8

    Love how Diogenes constantly insulted and trolled Alexander the Great

  • @1227Athena
    @1227Athena Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for another lesson. Philosophy is my passion.

  • @pietervanschalkwyk3700

    Hardest working team on CZcams! Thank you for the amazing content.

  • @tracik1277
    @tracik1277 Před 5 lety +4

    ‘He held his breath til he expired’ what an inspiration lol, cheers!

  • @highlandoutsider8148
    @highlandoutsider8148 Před 4 lety +12

    I'd never heard of this guy, but he's firmly embedded in my list of Historys Top Ballers

  • @epicmage82
    @epicmage82 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Apparently I had an ancient hero, and never knew it. Even having similar views. I'm going to love doing a deep dive on him. ❤️

  • @nemodaremo9524
    @nemodaremo9524 Před 4 lety +8

    Diogenes' ghost watching us on computers in heated homes

  • @debbiemarquis3231
    @debbiemarquis3231 Před 5 lety +102

    It should be titled "..the king of vagrancy"

    • @connoroverall580
      @connoroverall580 Před 4 lety +2

      Vagrantenes......philosopher of the public parks and busy streets.

  • @busnello1987
    @busnello1987 Před 5 lety +34

    Diógenes is probably my favorite greek philosofer.

  • @catharinepizzarello4784
    @catharinepizzarello4784 Před rokem +2

    Awesome! This is probably how all beliefs develop in a healthy way. The open debate of Stoicism strengthens critical thinking. Very important in the tidal wave of information. Sort it out and use the inspiration and learning. Thank you so much, Simon!

  • @kristinalphamegamia1890
    @kristinalphamegamia1890 Před 5 lety +2

    Yes! Great subject thank you

  • @vectorfox4782
    @vectorfox4782 Před 2 lety +4

    I thoroughly enjoy the interaction between Diogenes and Alexander.

  • @kaekuda
    @kaekuda Před rokem +3

    Diogenes is my favorite philosopher, quite literally the definition of LIVING LIFE

  • @chaos6346
    @chaos6346 Před 4 lety +1

    Absolutely brilliant man 😁

  • @Ian-zg7he
    @Ian-zg7he Před 5 lety +10

    Saw a vid on this by Sam O'nella already sadly, but your video still has merit considering it's his entire life as opposed to Sam's telling of humorous anecdotes.

  • @hearinggonebeethoven5787
    @hearinggonebeethoven5787 Před 5 lety +18

    Sam O'nella's Animation though. 😂

  • @francislong5114
    @francislong5114 Před 5 lety +3

    I was allways thinking what happened to Greece.. Now I know.. thank you.. I did learn of him before, never knew he had so a place in culture..

  • @grosspotato5682
    @grosspotato5682 Před 5 lety

    Thank you for covering him

  • @nmarrs8539
    @nmarrs8539 Před 8 měsíci +1

    My man knew the value in not being tied down material things.

  • @joaofilipe8497
    @joaofilipe8497 Před 5 lety +3

    Favourite one so far. Didn’t know who he was however it was very interesting

  • @captainanopheles4307
    @captainanopheles4307 Před 5 lety +11

    "if I was not Alexander, I would hope to be Diogenes."
    "if I was not Diogenes, I would hope to be Diogenes.'
    Also , could the mysterious word 'dog', that appears to spring from nowhere, come from Diogenes?

    • @nikolai9520
      @nikolai9520 Před 5 lety +1

      Diogenes specifically refers to two breeds of dogs, Molossia and Maltese. The former had a reputation as a hunting dog whereas the latter hunted as well but without being widely known. Diogenes describes himself as being like these dogs, which seem to have tough dispositions.

  • @RyanAndTomMaps
    @RyanAndTomMaps Před 4 lety +1

    Hey they Biographics! I love your channel, and the accuracy In which you deliver it. I understand with the vast amount of content you create, there are bound to be some inaccuracies. I wanted to point out that Diogenes was not a Stoic. He is accredited to founding the Cynics, though never officially. The Stoic Philosophy was founded by Zeno of Citium; Whom took to philosophy following the loss of his ship and fortune. He lived from ~334 BC-262 BC, and founded the stoic school in 300 BC. Diogenes lived from ~412 BC-323 BC. So not much of their lives overlapped, and Zeno was far from his philosophical life during such time. While Zeno borrowed heavily from Diogenes; There were some stark differences in their respective philosophies.
    While on the topic of Stoicism.... You should do a video on Marcus Aurelius!

  • @DerpyLaron
    @DerpyLaron Před měsícem

    You know fact boi, I enjoy the fact that I can look up a random person, event or similar and find a video where you explain it. Keep up the good work.

  • @hydrichleclerc3268
    @hydrichleclerc3268 Před 5 lety +16

    My favorite badass philosopher. ...if there's a modern version (that's weird) to his philosophy it would be minimalism(?) i guess,

  • @maxtew6521
    @maxtew6521 Před 5 lety +45

    This guy was so punk rock.

  • @jaymcd8577
    @jaymcd8577 Před 5 lety +5

    Perhaps the most Eccentric, and my fav of the ancient philosophers

  • @Florin_Dark
    @Florin_Dark Před 5 lety +7

    If I learned one thing in this video it's the fact that only a 100% self sufficent Philosopher can be a true Philosopher, that is not corruptet in any way.

    • @wanderer3320
      @wanderer3320 Před 2 lety

      You messed up the quote, only a 100% self sufficing philosophers can poop on public floors

  • @DigitalSolstice
    @DigitalSolstice Před 5 lety +68

    BEHOLD A MAN

  • @lordnul1708
    @lordnul1708 Před 3 lety +7

    He is my favorite of the ancient philosophers. For more modern ones, it's a tie between Crowley and Nietzsche.

    • @richardj.magoma7804
      @richardj.magoma7804 Před 2 lety +1

      Crowley who?

    • @Vikn01
      @Vikn01 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@richardj.magoma7804 maybe Aleistar Crowley?

    • @andrewcanady6644
      @andrewcanady6644 Před 6 měsíci

      To you, what makes the modern ones you’ve named stand out?

    • @lordnul1708
      @lordnul1708 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@andrewcanady6644 Alister Crowley, when you look at his work (especially the Liber Oz), it's clear that his philosophy centers around free will.
      Nietzsche on the other hand, had his history stand out to me more than his writing. That and the fact that he openly referred to Plato as a bore.

    • @andrewcanady6644
      @andrewcanady6644 Před 6 měsíci

      @@lordnul1708 Copy that. Interesting thanks for taking a moment for me today. 🤙🏽

  • @sunil-tm5zj
    @sunil-tm5zj Před 4 lety

    Video was very much informative 👍

  • @bellamckinnon8655
    @bellamckinnon8655 Před 2 lety

    From Ignition [FR] n2
    10 months ago (edited)
    0:50 - Chapter 1 - Beginnings
    2:15 - Chapter 2 - Exile
    3:25 - Chapter 3 - Citizen of the world
    7:10 - Chapter 4 - Writings
    9:25 - Mid roll ads
    10:40 - Chapter 5 - Taken captive
    13:40 - Chapter 6 - Self mastery
    14:35 - Chapter 7 - Diogenes vs plato

  • @depurodinerohomie5006
    @depurodinerohomie5006 Před 3 lety +4

    I feel like diogenes everytime i have to go get a job.

  • @handsomed8732
    @handsomed8732 Před 5 lety +5

    Can you please do one on The Swamp Fox (Francis Marion)?

  • @zimwillsalvadorthediamondd4434

    merci .you are a goldmine..........a french admirer of your witty mind

  • @redboy7123
    @redboy7123 Před 5 lety +1

    Could you guys do one on Yukio Mishima I think he is a really interesting man with an incredible legacy and I think you guys could make a great video on him