Parallel Compression on Metal Drums
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Part two of my "Mixing with Stock Plugins" series!
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I really love Reaper, you can't beat it for the price, all the features, updates, the community and it's very intuitive, I previously used Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools and even Fruity Loops and Magix Samplitude, but since i found Reaper, I stayed there!
Reaper is awesome.
I use Logic. But I don't care what is used in tutorials. They're all pretty much the same. A DAW might have a unique way of doing things, but there's always a work around no matter which workstation you use. So use whatever the hell you want. haha
Me too man and you're exactly right 👌 Been watching Glenn for years
@@HellaBeatsOfficial Been watchin' SMG for years too! I've learned a lot from him. \m/
Munkey Metal Covers - cubase has something called VariAudio 3 now in cubase 10. I have logic as well, but have not found a workaround. I agree that a DAW is a DAW, but cubase has some really cool features that I cannot find in other DAWs. Checkout VariAudio 3 and let me know if logic can do the same. Been trying to figure it out.
@@jeffreydan Well I don't know how they compare because I don't use Logic's pitch editor; I use Melodyne if I ever tune anything. But Logic has Flex Pitch.
But I don't think we should be discussing pitch correction in SMG's comment section. Glenn might ban us from commenting. haha \m/
Haha.. been doing the same thing.. I’m on Logic Pro 8 and using a 2008 iMac.. can’t even go online within to download plugins so it’s totally what came with the software.. I don’t have expensive gear, I’m using a prosonus 24 bit 8 channel fire pod interface.. drum mics were just a cheap set offline, but they were 100 times better than regular dynamic mics.. I also have the apex205 ribbon mic (as recommended by this channel) for the room mic.. I made a sub kick from an old snare drum shell and 12 inch speaker and for vocals I actually have some decent mics compliments of a great price from a mate that is one of the top sales reps for rode mics here in Australia.. an NTK and an NTK/K2.. I usually put the NTK in the normal position and suspend the k2 upside down above it almost touching.. that gets a good vocal sound I think..
I’ve been watching these vids and my mix is sounding 100% better so regardless of the DAW, as someone already said there is always some kind of way to work around it for pretty much the same result..
I do have a question though.. my guitar rig is POD x3 pro rack unit into a positive grid bias rack amp.. when I recorded, I just did D.I straight out of the POD and left the bias amp out of it.. things I’ve been seeing and reading suggest I should’ve actually gone from the pod into the amp and D.I from that.. is that right?? Because I’m having issues with guitar sound and something I watched said the pod in particular can be shit to D.I from because it gets too saturated and electronicy sounding which seems to be creating some frequency issues in the mix making it sound like it’s kind an of distorting to much or something like that..if I had gone through the bias amp, would that have been better and given me a better guitar tone to start/work wth?? Cheers in advance for any help...
Cubase user here. I love it. Great Video.
Learning from Glenn's recent tutorial videos my mixes sound 1000% better no BS!
listen to his drum mixing tutorials but not his guitar ones. your mixes will sound even better then
5 years later I still come to this video. I’m no beginner by any means, but I just love watching other people’s workflows because in this field you never stop learning.
It seems like everyone is missing the point here. It's not about the DAW, it's about the process. That and inadvertently showing how important it is to get a great sound/tone in the recording phase.
Great video series, keep it up!
I’m using Logic Pro x, and your videos have made a huge difference in “glueing” my drums together
Thanks!
Please keep this video series coming. I am actually recoding drums on cubase at the moment and this really helps. Thanks.
I've recently switched to band lab's cakewalk. I learnt on pro tools and reaper, used reaper at home, used pro tools while I was in college, but recently revamped my pc and swapped over to cakewalk after hearing good things. I love the UI, the stock plugins kick ass, and learning curve for a new DAW is pretty easy, having some past experience. Aside from a few things I'm figuring out here and there, I'm really impressed so far. Even comes with its own version of guitar rig and it's surprisingly good. I'd highly recommend checking it out, as it's free :)
I am just learning good to hear people coming back to Cake Walk.
I'm using Cubase. Your videos are really helpful no matter the DAW. Also haista vittu Glenn!
What a cool voice and delivery you have, perfect for a metal radio station haha.
Longtime Cubase user, and recently stared using Logic Pro and Cubase 10.... I am actually refreshed that someone that does Metal is finally using Cubase in tutorials. Thank you!!!
Im all about logic more of a learning curve than other daws I've used but so worth it, i love it how they keep adding amazing plugins in the daw itself, love the latest vintage EQs they added .
I am using Pro Tools 12 (2018). The principles you show in your videos should work across most DAW's. Keep up the good work!
I have several DAW programs but my workhorse is still Sonar Cakewalk Producer. It's the one I have invested the most time in as well as outfitted with 3rd party plugins. It has always served me well. That said, it doesn't matter what you have but how you use it. Glenn is proving that.
What do you do with a drummer that can’t count to four?
Teach him to play waltz.
A 123 , 123 , 132 , 231 fuck I'm a bass player how many times do you count to 4 or was it 5 ????
Brilliant part 2, man. 12/10 this time round IMO.
I use Cubase but TBH I don't think it matters what DAW you do these sorts of tutorials on. Cubase, Studio One, Reaper, whatever. The moves you're demonstrating here will, I'm sure, work just as effectively in any of them. It's the moves that matter, and especially your commentary on them, not the DAW.
I'm not even using a digital audio workstation! I'm on a 4 track cassette recorder at the moment. Working with it really makes you rethink the way you engineer and route things.
Using Cubase Essentials and Reaper.
Thanks for these great tutorials! I've learnt a lot from watching you mixing these drums!
Cubase 10.5. So this video is literal gold for me. I'd love to see you do the same treatment to a set of VST drums in Superior Drummer 3 (also within Cubase). Apartment Recording life requires a virtual drummer. Stoked you're using Cubase! These two vids alone have completely reshaped my mix. *high fives you so hard it stings for a solid minute afterward*
I've been using Studio One 4 for about a year now, and I love it. Workflow is great, and the stock EQ and Compression are some of the better plugins I've used stock or third party. All I really use beyond the stock plugins with it are BiasAmp/FX, GGD through Kontakt, and a few Waves like the SSL E-Channel, G Buss Comp, and Scheps 73 M/S EQ. Even the stock VST Instruments are great, and you can get a ton of really cool sounds without ever even using third party stuff.
I've used Reason for years. Sometime Logic Pro but Reason has always been my go-to.
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Your opening statement made me ponder the following point; Back in the day bands used to record in different studios at times... Like say the Beatles would record at EMI but on some occasions where the studio time got booked at the last minute, they'd end up working at Trident. Now, I'm sure George Martin would know his way that gear even though the borad was different and so on... He'd get the job done and that was to get their sound no matter what gear. Now, if you bring this idea to DAWs, try to get those principles applied whatever you're using and learn to adapt on the fly.
Can't wait for the 3rd installment!!
These videos have definitely leveled up my game! thank you so much for taking the time to put this together and sharing it with the world!
A DAW is a DAW imo, I use Ableton 10 suite and Samplitude Pro X4 suite, the stock plugs in both are great. Another cracking video Glenn!!!
Pro tools for me but as many say (& its true) its what your comfortable with. Thanx!!!!! so much for these informative videos!!! luvluvluvem! Between you and Warren, the mixing world is opening up more and more every day!
You taught me, Shidoshi, to always keep an open mind. To never limit myself to one style.
Thank you for asking! I use Cubase but it really does not matter which DAW you use in the videos, they are all very helpful and I really appreciate the drum recording videos, thanks!
Hey Glen, can you do a video on stage set up efficiency? For example, how to communicate with FOH to get an inner ear relay setup, what should be on a setup diagram to give to FOH, or tactics to setup and be ready to play in under 20 minutes...Thanks!
Get your band to use stuff like in-ears, whireless, compact racks with power conditioning and digital modelers. Solder your own cables as short as possible etc.
I mainly use REAPER, but in the past I've used Acid, FL, Cubase, Ohm and I'm currently checking out Cakewalk. I don't fell like the DAW matters, I've seen videos where people used pro tools or Ableton that have given me ideas I've put to good use. In the end the reason I stick with reaper is that I actually use a lot of the USPs of that DAW, I have a couple of scripts to automate some things, I do write little programs that make use of the plain text file format, I've got a few homemade utility JS plugins and it's not that uncommon for me to route a lot of things to various places in weird ways. But your bread and butter mixing and editing all DAWs are alike and I'm not sure why people would get upset about seeing a process that just uses groups, EQ compression and panning in a DAW they don't use.
I've been using FL-Studio and honestly couldn't be happier. In my opinion it's a great DAW for Metal. I have a few videos showing how easy it is to use for metal.
It is a good DAW for learning, but sooner or later you will overuse your CPU and RAM in FL, trust me. FL is pretty limited (although it does have its pluses) and it wasn't made for anything serious. Don't get me wrong, I did a small rock/metal album on FL back in the days, but we weren't pushing the envelope, just EZ Drummer, VSTs for cca 15-20 guitars.
Reaper is really great because it runs well on lower end PCs (runs amazing on high end PCs) and it is (for me at least) the best DAW I tried for decades! Everything you need, it is there. Even Cubase could learn a thing or two from the Reaper guys :)
@@Staminist-MMF-80 idk about that, The last update is mind blowing. Things really changed in the last three years with fl. It is a fully functional professional Daw now. The 64 bit version there is no cpu limitations.
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It's just underrated.
Here Is a vedio showing the latest update and interface as well as a few basic functions. Also Cubase would be my next go to DAW. It really looks just incredible.
@@MrDreamsAlot I know where you come from and FL is a solution for home studios. If you like it - use it, I was just honest.
@@Staminist-MMF-80 yeah dude I've been curiouse about reaper for sure. I'll have to check it out if I'm not mistaken it has free updates? Now when fl studio first came out it was very basic I've only seen screen shots "never used before fl 12" but now it's really kicking tail.
Thank you for the knowledge and help Glenn! Your videos have helped make my mixes sound so amazing! I use Cubase and bought a Reaper license last year solely because of your using it. Love them both equally!
Using Reaper for a long time now. I just like it's features, straight forward send-receive stuff, and especially that you can automate whatever the hell you want.
Keeper wish I could give this more thumbs up lol
I've been using Mixcraft by Acoustica since about 2009
I'm currently on version 8. (home not pro)
I've recorded everything from single guitars to a full live band setting.
It does what I need it to and I'm just used to the workflow. I would love to try others if I had the cash lol.
Started withTracktion7, then upgraded to waveform9 and thanks to you for 3 months now- Reaper. and I'm digging this Cubase! Like "Munkey Metal Covers" says it's ALL good! Thank You Glenn for every tutorial you have ever made. -JGH
It's actually quite funny watching Glenn doing this, cause he's got what soo many of You lack: Focus and concentration.
Whatever program You're using, there´s nothing like experience
I'm on Ableton, after working with several others I just somehow settled into this one. The launchpad is super fucking cool, too.
THANK YOU so much Glenn!! This 2 videos are so helpful!! please keep on!
I've been using Logic for almost 10 years now, absolutely love it! It works almost exactly the way I want it to. Reaper and Cubase are great too, and I've been meaning to look into Studio One!
Cubase Pro, left the pro tools world back 15 years ago.
I work with ProTools
would be great to see your approach there!
occasionally I also use Ableton for some projects with more electronic stuff involved.
Glenn,
Using Studio One. Thanks for the drum mixing videos!
I love studio one
As a Cubase user, I am very happy with these videos :)
awesome video! I LOVE parallel compressing ... scheps parallel particles is wonderfull for basically everything i love it ... totally recommended for parallel compression!!
I'm using Reaper now based off of your recommendation and it was a great change for now. I used ProTools for tow years and it just hated my computer and Reaper works so much better with it.
Man when he's muting/unmuting around 17:40 you can hear the cymbals pump hard in the smasher. Drums still sound mad nasty! Thanks Glenn!
I love the tom rythm in this song. "Ba-dadada-badadadadadumbum- ba-dadada-badabudumbum-KA" very catchy
Using Studio One 4 Pro. I should say learning Studio One Pro. Any tutorials done with this daw would be greatly appreciated.
I use FL Studio. I'm new-ish to mixing recorded tracks, but recent updates have actually made assigning tracks to things is much easier. the stock effects aren't anything to write home about, but they have their uses.
Personally I haven't even thought about buying 3rd party effects after I learned to use the stock effects and got results that satisfied me. I use FL too
Cubase user here too, learning a lot from your vids, thanks man
FL Studio for me. Love the built in delays and reverbs. The built in compressor is nice, only thing I’d like out of it would be some visual feedback, though it does mean you use your ears more than your eyes
Yeah man I was surprised to see you change DAWs I’ve been using Reaper for the longest now.
Glenn I loved this! Please keep it up!!
Been using Cubase since 1999. Tried Pro-tools in the mid 2000s and hated it, so went back to Cubase again. I know people form my college days who switched to Pro-Tools becasue that's what their clients expect to see, as if it somehow makes the mixes magically better.
I absolutely agree about getting stagnant with one DAW. That's how I was with FL Studio before moving to REAPER once I saw it do everything I needed in your videos (and for an amazing price). I don't mind what DAW you use for tutorials, since it's the technique that's important and should apply to all applications.
I'm using Cakewalk by BandLab. It's free and comes with a guitar sim, Overloud-TH3 (Cakewalk Edition). I've gotten great results loading only a cab in TH3, then putting the Ignite Emissary amp sim in front of it. This DAW is beefy and robust and hasn't crashed. For keys and synths I use FL Studio, render those to wav and import the files to Cakewalk. Thank you for the tutorials, I'm starting to get some very good sounding results.
You might try to find some good impulse responses. Pull up Emissary, then use the impulse response option in TH3. Pop an ir or 2 into the ir loader and BAM....Bob's your uncle.
@@NolanVoid Thanks for commenting so others can see the IR option, good suggestion. I've gotten great results with the IR loader. Some time ago I signed up for something at www.redwirez.com/, and they gave me a 1960's Marshall with Celestion series. Wow! There's so many options on mics and placement.
@@andypomeroy7447 I'm on Sonar Home Edition and pretty much use the Emissary exclusively for guitar. The stock TH3 cabs aren't bad but an ir pack with a large number of impulse options are definitely the better optio. I run the TH3 noise gate and boost pedal first, then the Emissary and then the impulse. Also love how the Emissary gives you several options for power tubes.
Logic, Pro Tools, Reaper, Abelton and Garage band. The last 4 are mainly there for cross compatibility
This is seriously an amazing tutorial and has improved my mixing in Cubase.
I followed this to make a preset on Superios Drummer and it ended sounding great! I'll try to get some raw drum recordings to keep practicing! Thanks Glenn!!!!!!
I've been using Mixcraft for about 8 years now. I currently have Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio and it is pretty good. There's some good stock plugins (EQ's, Reverbs) and its easy to navigate through. I couldn't understand why pro tools was so damn complicated but whatever, just get good at a DAW you feel comfortable with.
Im using Logic Pro X. Awesome daw, works really fine, also on older macs. I like the interface too. I started with GarageBand, which made my entry into the deeper study of professional daws and mixing easier in Logic Pro X. So i feel at least.
I've been using logic since 2010 when i started my music course at college. Where as i didn't do very well in the studio engineering part of the course, I'm still learning new things from it and I still believe there are a tonne of things with logic that I still have no idea about. What love to hear your vies on logic
Very good , useful couple of videos Glenn . Also thought i'd let you know that i was talking to my friend Nige Halford ( Robs little brother ) at his bands gig a couple of nights ago and told him to recommend you to Rob / the band as a choice for possible producer for the next priest album . Will also mention you to Ian Hill next time i see him in the pub , but he hasn't been in for a while
Well thanks Nick! I really do appreciate that, but I think Andy does an amazing job & I certainly wouldn’t want to step on any toes!
Cakewalk/Sonar by Bandlab. It's now Free. It has Neve/SSL bus emulation, compressors, EQs, saturators in the Pro-Channel strip.
I was a Logic user before Apple bought it...it was fantastic. Then I made the switch to Cubase. Coming from the days of physical faders, early Cubase caught my attention with its mixer. I have also added Audition, FL Studio, and Reason to my arsenal. Glenn you really have me thinking about adding Reason and Studio One as well!
I've been using Studio One 3 Pro for 3 years and still loving it. Stock plugins are always usefull, I use them mostly for neutral treatment or fx like phaser.
I've used Reaper for quite a while now, I've used studio one and cubase a little bit but never really got to cut my teeth on them because I'm poor/lazy. I love tutorials on any DAW, I think it's more important to try and pull out concepts from videos like this because if I want to know specifically how to work the buttons on a DAW I can just find that online. These videos, for me at least, are more about mixing concepts not how to specifically work a DAW.
This is especially the case because literally EVERY daw comes with EQs, compressors, noise gates and all that. They might look different and maybe sound a little different by they all do the same shit and it's really not that difficult to apply the moves you make on Cubase ones to the ones that come with Reaper or Pro Tools, etc.
I too am DAW agnostic. I use Cakewalk, Cubase, Reaper, Mixbus 32C, S1 and occasionally Waveform. I have a Mixcraft license that I'd like to look at one day.
I'm using Mixcraft a lot. It's just faster than most and works to get ideas in the bag. It also has an endless library.
Ignite is another that rules for speed, but it's very basic.
The whole drum track turned out so well
Really nice, Glen. That's what I call premium, high quality, triple A+ content. Thanks for sharing.
Though I absolutely prefer Reaper, I tend to leave my comfort zone every once in a while too and experiment with Cubase and Logic (if I have to ;) ) So I don't have a problem with you using Steinberg's DAW for this, if anything I appreciate it. Especially since your steps can be followed and "translated into Reaper" easily imho.
Great video ... Love it..!
I used Cubase SX2 for a long time, maybe 6 years or so. Then switched to Reaper but just never felt the love with Reaper so going switch back and upgrade to the current version of Cubase this weekend.
Glenn, you do love toms, because they are fricking loud now! Well done.
I use Studio One. I like the features. Great tutorials!
I’ve been using Harrison Mixbus v5. Don’t really see many other people using it but it’s a fantastic DAW.
I really Like Cubase. It´s a magnificient program and very easy to configure on differents pcs. I love it's interface too.
You can do all the same stuff in Reaper, it will just look different. All the principles of compression and EQ Glenn is talking about will apply in any other DAW. Use whatever you want!
Studio One for me. Best DAW I've ever tried.
Cubase user here. Couldnt be happier about this
Hey Glenn. *Do you ever automate EQ as part of your mixing process ?*
I’ll automate strip levels, sends and turning inserts on and off, but I’ve never thought about automating eq changes other than for effects, like a sweeping low pass,
If you do automate EQ tweaks in a mix, Where, when and how ??
#FYG
Automating EQ for fills is the way to greatness
I'm using Samplitude Pro X4. In my experience, Samplitude is one of the most underrepresented daws out there and yet, i feel it's one of the best. Would love to see some more love for Samplitude!
absolutly, same here :)
Currently only used Reaper other than Cool Edit Pro and Sound forge many moons ago. Iv really enjoyed using Reaper, although i am at a very amateur level and attempting to teach myself everything, with a little CZcams help. Glenn Fricker your knowledge is very much appreciated :)
Logic for me. After starting with Sonar and an Aardvark back in the late 90s, I wanted something rock solid. I know times have changed since then, but after that driver nightmare I didn’t want to have as much to worry about.
Mixcraft on the go, Studio One and Reaper at home, then , on your recommendation, just purchased Harrison Mixbus.
Really excited to record the new album with Harrison
Reaper man, here. But like others in the comments, I don't mind different daws, the principles translate, even when the specific methods differ.
Currently working in Reaper.
THANK YOU for the lesson in parallel compression always been a technique I've struggled to understand. If at some point you can do a lesson on side-chain compression as well that would be appreciated.
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@@SpectreSoundStudios Thank you sir!
This is what I’ve been looking for!
Perfect! This is all great information. Thanks Glenn.
Reason 10 but sure the workflow can be done in about every Daw when you got the good infos... Thanks Glenn for these!
These tuts are fenomenal. I hope that after the drums will be the rest of the band :)
I started on Sonar 8, I currently have Studio One, mostly use Pro Tools, and recently downloaded the new Cakewalk to access my old Sonar files.
I’m a cubase user. Thank you dude so much for these vids. Learned so much perfect instruction🤘🏻🤘🏻
Started using Studio One after using Logic Pro X for 6 years to be able to mix on Windows and Mac. I use a Mac in my basement studio and have a PC in my room to mix.
I use Reaper as well. It's cheap, it's easy and it simply works. But most people I know, especially those who use PC, use Cubase.
Good video, too. I use mostly stock plugins, or otherwise free ones. There's some great stuff out there for nothing.
I used to use Adobe Audition CS6 as a "DAW", which isn't that bad actually as a starting point, but it's not the best by any stretch of the imagination. Downloaded Reaper a few days ago and have been playing with it, it's fucking amazing.
For synths, MIDI, electronic sounds and all that jazz (yes, that includes programmed drums*) I use FL Studio, then I export the tracks and mix them in whichever DAW I'm using.
* Sadly I have no way of recording real drums, so I'm learning to mix using samples for now. Slowly getting there, though :) It's amazing how useful your drum mixing tricks can be even with samples, they really bring them to life (or at least as much life as you can squeeze out of them).
Cheers from Spain!
I started out in Pro Tools First and I've been in Reaper for the last few years.
I use cubase. I've been on it for about 3 years now. Really liking this series Glenn.
I use Reaper and one tutorial that I would like to see is regarding to Groups vs VCA vs Aux Bus and how/where do you use them on a mix. I know that there are some videos covering this topic but I would really like to see how you use them in a mix
I use cubase, ardour and reaper. I am all fine with reaper and cubase but ardour seems very complicated to me even though it "feels" like the superior platform. Would love a beginners tutorial on ardour, like how to get everything up and running (having trouble using virtual routing and vsts). Thanks a lot
Using reaper, and sometimes Sonar, the new free version is pretty cool
Great drum sound Glenn!