Lincoln 180 Vs Miller 212 - Mig Welder Shootout - Head to Head Comparison - Powermig 180C
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- Comparing 2 different brands and 2 different class machines. Speed comparison test. Miller vs. Lincoln Mig welders. Comparing the Miller 212 Autoset to the Lincoln 180. Yes, I get that these welders are not an exact match or comparison. It's Lincoln Vs. Miller and Small welder Vs Large Welder. If your looking for a good but fairly cheap inexpensive welder, I think the Lincoln powermig 180c is a good choice. This video does a side by side comparison and a head to heat competition to see which is fastest?
Which is better?
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This is comparing a $629 welder with a $2,000 welder.
or comparing a dodge ram 3500 to a moped lol
Wherever your buying that Lincoln for 629$ clue me in, I want that price lol
gardy90 lowes in stock for $699 but two years ago it was $629 sometimes even cheaper if on special
ErickDuhzit All then it’s not a 180c like stated. Lol
Michael Smith almost the same))))
I just went through the purchasing process and my findings, including financial considerations I ended up with the Lincoln 180. I thought I was going Millermatic when I started, but the price/performance for me, hobbyist car restoration, Lincoln won based on a few areas. Availability of supplies, support and flexibility/ease while learning the art of welding, Lincoln gets my vote. Great video!!
I am just starting and also looking at the Lincoln 180 but there are several flavors, which one did you choose and why?
I am currently looking at the 180-HD & 180-SP, thanks.
I have been welding since 1995. I like both companies for different reasons. I used to only use Miller TIG and MIG welders. Then I worked for another company that had Hobart, Miller ,and Lincoln. I have to say Miller in my mind makes the best MIG welder. The old style Hobart makes the best stick welder. But as far as TIG welders go I like Miller and Lincoln welders. But that is my opinion. Great video I like the comparison.
Dude, your comparing apples to oranges.
I agree
What's what he said he was doing lol
I am a novice welder and this comparison is nothing but absolute confusion. Why? Is the Lincoln 180 the version that has single 110 voltage or is it a 180 that has dual voltage 110-220, surely that would be a better comparison. Still confused.
Folks keep saying "apples and oranges".... Dude, this is more like comparing apples and raisins. That BIG-ASS Miller versus that small Lincoln. And ON TOP OF THAT, you then put .025 in the little machine - up against .035 in the larger Miller? Come on now.
Well these are the 2 machines I have, and I wanted to just share some thoughts. I stated at the begging of the video I realize this isn't a fair comparison. Not all comparisons are fair, it's still a comparison and there were really no surprises.
@@turbocobra Why would you compare two machines of obviously different classes doing the same work? What was your expected outcome, that the $600 welder you can buy from Lowe's is equal to the $2,000 machine you have to buy from a welding supplier? What are you going to compare next a Cat D11 to an Ames shovel?
Put the same size wire in them, lock them in a room together and weld to the death
"Penetrates, blows and goes..." Sounds like my dad on the night I was conceived back in the fall of 1970...
lol good one!
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I have repaired a couple millers and a lincoln. You mentioned the reason the Miller outperformed, 30 amps difference, couple that with the fact you have a variable heat setting on the miller I believe and at least my lincoln 180 has 5 heat settings, you can fine tune the miller better than you can the lincoln also the final reason you got more spillage or beads is the difference in wire size. not really a fair comparison. 23 guage wire is light duty more for 16-20 guage metal. 35 wire is much more suited at high heat settings and welding thicker material. Just my humble unprofessional opinion based on my limited experience.
Exactly
You can fine tune the Lincoln too.
I think the Lincoln held its own against an industrial class machine, especially with a wire that was really under sized for the material. The Lincoln 180 is great for the use it was made for like light fab work, muffler shops, home shops, farm repairs etc. and won't break the bank either.
outwhitu08 say what u want, been welding for 32yrs Miller welds as good as lincoln, but Lincoln quality is second to none hence cheaper inner workings in the miller.
I use both brands in an industrial setting. Either are a solid choice. Really comes down to the level of performance you need.
I use a clapped out lincon mig welder at work, it's probably 10+ years old and it's a solid machine. No complaints.
I've welded with a 10k plus miller tig welder with all the options you could imagine, high frequency, pulse, square triangle and sin waves, water cooling...the whole 9 yards.
Hated it, went back to the old Lincoln precision tig machine.
I know this is an old post, however, I feel those who are shopping for a Lincoln 180c mig welder "should know this. Ten years ago after researching my options I bought a 180c from Lincoln. After a $75.00 dollar rebate I paid $680.00 dollars for the welder, not a bad price at that time. The welder in this video is a made for Home depot welder priced at half of what I paid from Lincoln. I did look at this welder at Home depot as an option but the specs did not add up and the weight was much less, the most obvious reason was the much cheaper made wire feed assembly. Today, the 180c from Lincoln/ Mod# K2473-2 cost ($1.900.00) with a possible rebate. The 180 from Home depot/Mod#2515-1 is around $899.00. There is a reason for the price difference. I've had no problems with my 180c since 2013. FYI, you decide! Ps. If possible take a look inside at the electronics you will know which to buy.
I use the 180C in my home shop building smokers, gates etc.. I have ran several of the big spools of wire through it over the last few years, and it's done great- with the exception of the fan. It went out during Covid so I just ordered it and installed myself. If I had the cashola I would definitely get a bigger machine, but as more of a hobbyist on a budget I have been pretty happy with Little Red..
Oops 0.025 wire against 0.035 ? (@ 06:58) ain't gonna happen like that.The 0.025 wire won't carry the amperage and its gonna be harder to lay in more material because you just can't burn up the wire fast enough to match the thicker wire in the Miller. Do this test again with the Lincoln on heavier wire and i'll bet you can't tell the difference. I know the Lincoln is up for it as i have a 180 as well and on C20 with 0.030 wire it lays down some pretty nice welds when i dial up the wire speed.
SnakePliscan2 ya i have a lincoln 100 that has a conversion kit to bring it up to a 140 i find speed has to be up and only .30 wirei havent used the gas yet tho i love the flux core. I always turn the volts up higher then what that bs chart says.. And the welder says it can only do up to 1/2 but iv done 1" with multiple pass with no issue at all
I weld with Miller Machines all day at Work Mig and Tig we do Machine Building and Repair and Maintain a Plastics Manufacturing Plant. I have a Lincoln Mig at Home that is 8yrs old and has Never let me down don't know why People bad mouth Lincoln welders for the money you get a decent welder. don't get me wrong Miller is a Great machine but at the end of the Day they both put down a Good Weld. and do what you want them to do . Mostly what I see on CZcams is Welder Snobs who think that Miller is the End all be all . From what I see most of them can't run a decent Bead to save their Ass . over the years I have used Airco Heli machines Hobart and Esab and they were Just as good or Better than Miller
Never had anything but Miller since 1973. Never had to repair one either so I'm a bit biased. 😉😉 Great job at comparing the two brands. 👍👍
txsviking I work for several large corporations all of which had all the top brands from the late eighties all the way up into the two thousands I could pull up a Lincoln spray arc machine I can pull up a Lindy spray arc machine I can pull up a esab spray art machine but if you were late to work it would be a fist fight to get that old beat-up rag out Hobart over brand new Miller I hear you people talk about that I haven't had that experience I hope I do have that experience because the only stick welder I own is a Miller that I've replaced almost everything that can be replaced on it all I can afford it now
txsviking I've heard good about both Miller and Lincoln. I'm not.aure what to buy for my first mig welder I was leaning more to the Lincoln 180 they have em at home Depot for 799$ and a three year warranty... and it does mig&-tig .. I just don't know who's the better brand but as a beginner I figure Lincoln is my best bargain and yet still get good quality..
canuckguy worried heck yeah...
Hi Gary I think the Miller is the better choice but I'm a loyal blue guy with a Millermatic 350P and a Miller Dynasty 200DX and an old Millermatic 35S. The Miller 212 put down a more penetrating bead with less splatter. Just my 2 cents worth.
Not having run either of them I certainly couldn't comment on which is better. However; as a DIY hobby person price is always a factor. I assume there is a LARGE difference in price and from what I saw I'm not sure the miller would be worth spending a lot more money for a DIY person. But if I had a shop like yours using it all day with that hum would really get to you. Thanks for the overview of both machine.
The Lincoln did pretty good for what it is, a more comparable test would be the Lincoln 180C the C is for commercial, I’m sure the Miller would still beat the socks off of it as it is still a smaller output on amps and duty cycle, but a good welder none the less
The video states it is a 180c, but you and I both know it's not. I own one, the 180c is a great welder!
One problem with the home depot Lincoln welders is that it is a "stripped down" version to keep cost down and they have "tapped" voltage and wire feed knobs so you can not fine tune the settings. They are more comparable to Millers Hobart economy brand of welders from tractor supply. A more classed Lincoln would be in order of 180c, 210mp and 216 Over all good unbiased video!!
What do you mean by tapped voltage? I had a Miller 180 but the board died and it wasn't worth fixing. I bought the Lincoln 180 over the 140 thinking 220 volts would be better. If you have time to comment I would appreciate it
@@BKMDano17 I think he meant, "clicks", you could only choose A, B C D E for example as opposed to a smooth linear turning dial which Lincoln now has.
Lincoln all the way. Steel fabricator here and used dozens of brands of welders up to 600 amps laying 1 inch plus weld passes
The 180c For a hobby welder hands down a killer welder
over the years I've used small 110v 100amp Lincolns to 480v 3phase 1000amp Lincolns. I personally like Lincolns for Mig and engine-driven welders but hands down the best tig machine is a Miller Dynasty.
Both are good machines, i have never used a miller tig, but i want to get one
Miller for me. Just cant beat them, although their liners leave a lot to be desired. Add a Tweak-O gun and now you have something . I wish Miller would go to this aftermarket design. My entire shop has been transformed into Miller equipment. Service is second to none in the Dayton Ohio area. (Weiler Welding )
I love the Lincoln 180 that I have, but I mainly use it for sheet metal. It's a 220V unit. I have a Miller 110 unit and it does a good job, plus it's 110V, but I still prefer the Lincoln. I would love to try a Miller like you have to see how it compares to my Lincoln. Now as far as my Miller helmet and jacket, that's the only way to go imo. Great vid Gary.
The Millermatic probably always have the fan on as well, but it's probably quite a bit larger and spinning at a lower RPM than the Lincoln so you don't hear it. Smaller fans that spin faster are louder. I have the Lincoln PowerMIG 210 and it's quite capable against the Miller counterparts in the same class (and extremely intuitive). It's definitely not the 180 (which shouldn't be used in any serious test).
I do prefer Lincoln, but not from a fabricator standpoint. When I was in college I had a job working on welding equipment to supplement my income. I saw a lot more Miller than I did Lincoln in for repair. Lots of circuit board level repairs that could have been mitigated with better design. The general rule of thumb is that Miller is more cutting edge and whiz bang and Lincoln is more reserved and stable. This is even truer when you get into diesel/fuel drive. Miller also tends to be a little "prouder" of this innovation from a price point.
All that being said, there's not a Miller or Lincoln on the planet that I haven't been able to get to work well if it's not broken.
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Gah I''ve been on the fence about the lincoln power mig 210 and the miller multimatic 215 when it comes to choosing. I'm a sucker for which ever ones going to be cheaper but the millers got a few more/better features then the lincoln......comes at a bit of a price tho.
@8:00 Love the natural edge steel work table
Good side by side review if your thinking of why you may wish to upgrade to a semi pro mig welder
Never used a Miller so I couldn't tell ya - but I love my Lincoln.
yep, hard to go wrong with lincoln
I will be purchasing the Miller brand in the near future. Thank you for sharing.
I think the Lincoln Arc Welders are superior over other bands but the Mig's belong to Miller. I had several of both and I just loved that Millermatic. Eastwood machines are probably made in China. Seems everything they sell anymore is from China and none of it last. Great video comparison , thank you.
I bought a brand new lincoln powermig 180c 220v had solid wire mounted in it and had the same troubles you were experiencing found that the polarity was incorrect. It became a whole new welder after that although it welded pretty good even b4 I noticed that. Just had lot of spatter build up
Interesting, i will double check it
I have an older version of the Lincoln 180, had it for 8 years, and it may have changed since then but mine is a very good machine, I've put hundreds of hours on it with no problem other than changing liner and consumables, even with thicker plate like 3/8" and 1/2" as long as its beveled and using multi pass, I don't use the factory settings tho, I run "d" on volts and barely over "4" on wire speed or "e" and "5.5" on heavier stuff. I run miller 252 pretty regular too and it is a better machine but in a different class, haven't used the miller you have there so I can't say on it
I have a Lincoln 180C. I bought it because it was the best welder for the money I had. I ruled out any welder with a tapped voltage selector. Are there better welders? Sure. Are there worse ones? Definitely! If I have a welder with 180 amps or 210 amps, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference between the two if I am welding at 150 amps. Only if I have to weld with more than 180 amps will it make a difference. I don't see that happening. I'm a beginning hobbyist welder so I really don't have the background to qualify other welders. But I'm certainly happy with my purchase. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Definitely bhot makes the job done period. It’s like bought a Toyota vs Lamborghini. They take you to the same place depending how much you want to spend in maintenance.
i have the 180 lincoln and for the price it does what i need it to do. it welds mild steel with 0.25 or 0.35 with no issues. both are good machines but the price is what got me a lincoln 180. 1,050 to my door with the cobra matic spool gun, and cart. i got sima show price from lincoln at the pomona winternationals back in 2008
Could you be specific about the problems with the Eastwood welder? I have a MIG 175 and have not had any issues except from the plastic drive assembly broken where the gas nozzle connected to it. Eastwood replaced it w/o any problems. The new version of the MIG 175 now has an aluminum drive assembly. The Lincoln Pro MIG 180 also has a plastic drive assembly, but the Lincoln Power Mig 180 and Weld Pak 180 have aluminum.
Come on guys is not fair .is like comparing ford F-150 pulling 10.000 pounds trailer vs F-250
I started on a Lincoln 3200 HD (a small 110) and it lasted me 5 years. I ended up finding a deal on craigslist for the miller 211 and paid about a grand plus gave him my old Lincoln. The miller 211 is a 220, but even when plugged into 110 it outperforms my old Lincoln in every way from bead quality to duty cycle. I have used the bigger Lincoln welders (mig and tig) and what I find is that they are cheaper made. The handles break, become loose, the tig handle actually twists and screws up the weld. I'm a big fan of the miller and I'd love to go back to Lincoln to save money but I feel you get what you pay for.
Side note, for arc welding, Lincoln buzz box is the way to go.
Good assessment, thanks for sharing your experience.
as soneone just getting into welding I'm scrolling all over for information. It's hard for me to discern which is better based on class or brand. Most of the difference covered had more to do with class than brand other than the angle of the torch. I appreciate the effort it at least gave me an idea of what each machine class can handle.
I have a Lincoln 180,mine sounds a lot smoother than the one in your video,less spatter,but I'm aware it is for hobby use and it's priced that way .I would love to to own that miller 212,it is a more powerful machine.I enjoyed watching your comparison,it was fair,except you should have used 0.030 wire on both .
thanks for watching
Them lincolns sound smooth!
Fun video to watch, but as you know these are 2 different machines. 2k vs 800. I am a true blue miller guy, but lincoln makes a great machine too. It's like having 2 hammers. 1 is a 28 oz. Framing hammer compared to a lighter carpenters hammer. Both will get the job done, but it's all about fitting the right tool for the job. I own a 212, and it is a good little machine. No issues in the last 7 years owning it. It gets the job done nicely. I normally weld .035 solid on 1/8" - 1/4" with that machine. Anything bigger than 3/8" and I use my trailblazer 325 diesel. Just a different tool in the toolbox.
Just to play around with I am planning on the Lincoln 180 because of Price. I thought of Hobart 210 but I do not think it's going to beat Lincoln 180. I have a Sears Stick 210 AC 110 DC 1984 or 85 model. For what it is there may no be much out there today that would beat it. Everything was built better 35 years ago, it was less than $300.00. I have Never turned it all the way up. It loves 4'' Schedule 40 steel pipe and car wheels.
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just about every negative for the Lincoln was due the the .025 wire size. that wire is best suited for tacking sheet metal. I've had .025 in my 180 and cant stand it. I use 035 for everything with great results.
I know this is an old video, but it came up in my welder search. If these were the same class welders they’d be close, but I agree they’re both good machines. I’d say neither is the” best”. Best is relevant to skill.
Not only is the Miller way bigger but way more expensive. That Miller is probably over a 1000 bucks where that lincoln is 600 bucks at lowes.
From what I have seen from owning both I believe the actual quality of parts Lincoln is better, they seem to weld both just fine for what I do, although I am not a professional welder and don't have tons of hours on both machines. I have a friend who welds for work and prefers a Lincoln, If I had a choice I would probably choose a Lincoln based on the better quality parts if costs were the same.
I've spent years running Lincolns and I can say they are good welders, pretty dependable and can take a lot of abuse. But the truth is at the end of the day the Millers in general are just better.. Everything from the electronics and switches to the case is just more industrial, not to say I haven't seen them with their issues but usually its a quick fix or part miller will send you for free and your off running again.
025 in the Lincoln and 035 in the Miller!?!?!? No WAY that's an apples to apples comparison. No dog in the race, but I know a few things about MIG welding.
I have the Lincoln Pro Mig 180 and it has zero splatter. You can't go wrong with either one but for the money, get an Everlast. You get a lot more for your money and they weld just as good if not better.
Old Lincolns better than old miller new miller better that new Lincoln
Both machines are Good.. Lincoln electric, is like blackberry phone.. Lincoln is not to far for miller... I buy Lincoln yesterday.. Its OK, for mee. Love it mann
Thinking what you are welding the wire size is as big a disadvantage as the class of machine . I have always liked Miller , but also have used more high dollar Millers than i have Lincolns . I do not think one could go wrong with either brand .
The school I went to had miller mig and tig and lincoln stick welders
That ol' miller killer held its own considering electrode size, amperage, and price differential lets not even get into inability to slick one on. If a machine ain't red it'll wind up dead.
My lncln 180 has welded 1/2" galv steel plate and surprised the hell out of me welding aluminum with the cheap 100sg spool gun. Have to get your heat and wire speed right. Recommended settings behind door are pretty accurate on my 255 but not so much on the smaller welders. And 0.25 wire ain't gona cut it even if all your welding is 18 gauge.
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I welded in the field I was a automatic gate tech. I used Hobart miller Lincoln. The only problem with the Lincoln it's heavy and if you don't have the dual it's 240v not very portable. But six in one and half a dozen in the other
Good video,,I have a lincoln sp 175 and have used a compatible miller and liked the miller much better !
Just fired up a Lincoln 180HD onto of the box yesterday. I only welded a short time when it hit the temp switch, it shut down for 1/2 hour before coming back to life. Vertical disappointed to say the least. Have numerous miller's and they never overheat. Spend the Xtra money and buy miller, unless your a hobbyists. Also I noticed the 220 cord on the Lincoln is only 12 gauge, the miller's are 10 gauge. Looks like they cheaped out.
yea, duty cycle on small welders can be an issue for sure
The fan sounds loud on this video but I can't even hear mine when I'm welding in the shed , I have to put my head close to it to hear it.
Good comparison. I like to see just what that extra money adds up to and where my little bit cheaper one stands.
You're comparing a $2000 welder to a $600 welder. There really is no comparison, obviously.
The Lincoln welder is for a home handyman light duty repair work around the house or light projects in the shop a Millermatic is a production welder Gee George I wonder which one's going to perform better?
Well I rather have miller but the price so I'll stick with my Lincoln
I like the Miller better grew up with a stick welder 50 years old. Thanks
I think there both good welders and like you said there not in the same class . Thanks for sharing your finds
Thanks for posting.
Nice job on the video.
Obviously different class of welders. I for one have the MP180. I like it , but I'm a hobbyist in my yard. I'd probably like the 212 as well. Lots of people hating the unfair comparison(he does warn ya.. - I kinda look at it as maybe the next step up in welders for me. Although, I would like to a bit more about the Lincoln multi212. I could be swayed to go TIG
cheers
as someone who know little to nothing almost of welders the Lincoln looks like it does the same job
You might think about getting an HTP flex head or swan neck mig gun they are reasonably priced and are made for any and all machines( I have no affiliation with the company ) great video can't wait for the next one 👍
Thanks Mike, good point on the flex head mig gun, I think Chucke2009 did a video on those a while back. Definitely need to get one for the miller.
Ramsey Customs - turbocobra ha yeah that's were I found out about them... I'm going to get one for my Hobart 140 mig when the gun fails on that the funny part is the swan neck is cheaper than the replacement from the factory
Nice comparison video. Let us know if there is anything we can help with!
This comparison really isn't fair. This is like comparing a Chevy Z06 Corvette with a Pontiac Grand Am GT. Of course the Miller 212 is going to outperform the Lincoln 180. The FAIR comparison would have been the Miller 212 and the Lincoln Power Mig 216. I think you'd find that the Miller isn't going to outdo the Lincoln at all then. Then it's down to what brand do you prefer. Like the Chevy vs Ford feuds.
With all the times you had to stop and ready the gun to continue it was evident that there was less stress on you running the Miller.
Gracias por Compartir. Consulta mi máquina es marca Lincoln 180 dual y la conecte a 120 y soldó bien y después se encucho un sonido y el abanico bajo la potencia y solda sin fuerza a qué se debe?
Well darn thanks. You got me sold
Used a old Lincoln PowerMig 255 & a old Miller millermatic 250MP I would say they are both about the same. The Lincoln was a little newer than the Miller so it work a little better
Both are good machines for sure
Ramsey Customs - turbocobra I totally agree, but After using multiple machines from both companies i tend to favor Miller more than Lincoln. They seem to always be coming out with new advanced technology and they seem to have a better customer service
Should use the same size wire in both machines .035 , that way the heat will be even in both machines , as well as travel speed ... my Lincoln 180 works excellent and I weld 1/2 ...as well as 12 gauge ... mild steel ... I have been welding since 1968 , that's when I got my first welders ticket ... What I really like about the Lincoln is the start of the arc .. full power at once .. you usually only see this on far more expensive and larger welding machines ... Like a $10,000.oo L Tec ...
500$ vs.2000$ i guess im missing the point of this comparison .one is a shop welder one is a garage welder but btw the little lincoln did a decent job just the fact its sticking 1/4" is pretty cool for its price point
the lincoln is damn good for basically identical welds to a bigger machine
Kind of a biased comparison to an industrial welder to a home DIY or hobbiest welder ! Yet if you look at it from a different perspective the little guy did the same job as the big guy with allot more in the bells and whistles department ! I have the 180 Weldpack hd brand new it has not been used because I aim to get a power cord that's about 20-25 foot long for 220 ! I also have a Lincoln 100 that I use often fluxcore only ! That big machine by Miller of course costs a ton more at the cash register then the 180 Weldpack hd ! So to attempt a fair comparison you'd have to purchase a industrial caliber Lincoln for argument sake ! Still thanks for the demonstration it kinda shows me how mine will operate once I build the cord !
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as said before apples to oranges buzz box compaired to a production machine not fair i like miller myself heard lots say miller is for drinking lincon is for welding i started this video hoping it was a more fair comparison to see maybe if much of a difference i own a miller 211 that would of been a way closer comparison tho still better then a 180
What's really important is making sure you buy a welder that significantly eats into return on investment. For example, if you are going to do various welding projects for home use, and you aim to say, build a trailer. By building it vs buying, say you save $1000. Well, buy at least a $1,000 welder then. If you build a second trailer, thereby increasing your return on investment.... give your first one away to a friend, and buy another one, to offset any gains. Best, Online Welding Snob
I've owned my miller for 15 years and its 100x better then a tiny fuxcore welder
thank for mentioning the loud fan ...hate noise
I have used both I like both I guess you could say I'm used to Lincoln I use that my hell hole welding life
makes sense
Don’t know how you can compare the two together? Totally different amperage
yea, well, you saw the video, I did compare the 2, and the 2 can absolutely be compared. Just like you can compare a F350 to a F250
@@turbocobra your opinion. Just like i have mine.
I think it's apples to oranges even if you were comparing a lower amperage miller. Feel like it's comparing a very good brand vs the best brand.
That being said, I was nearly ready to pull the trigger on an eastwood mig 175 - now you got me 2nd guessing that like nobody's business, lol.
Personally I'm lincoln all the way and I think you did a nice comparison but one cost over three times as the other so not sure of the relevant comparison
Now throw a Vantage 600 SD with a LN-25 wire feeder running 0.052 dual shield wire in the review. Seems fair, right?
Wow I really like your shop congrats
I've got both.Keep the 35 in the Miller and run 030 in the Lincoln.keep the Lincoln around 1/8-3/16. The Miller 3/16 plus and multi-pass.
The 023-25 is a body mans game. I use a Lincoln 140 for that.CO2 works well there.
The 212 is by no means "low end" You can build 3/16-1/4 wall columns with 1/4 and 3/8 plates and brackets all day long.60% Duty at those settings. Plenty of ass.
well i know i use the crap out of my 110v lincoln. its ok for sheet metal but it is kinda janky. for 400$ it was a good starter welder. im plan on upgrading to a big miller like yours. Seems like in general the Miller is put together and more solid
Yep, same here, not sure if you have watched my older videos where we restored the mustang, but all of the sheetmetal was done with a 110 miller, and i was pretty happy with how it welded. Definitely better than the Eastwood.
For one thing , the Lincoln 180 has an aluminum wound transformer and needs the high speed fan to cool it . Another thing is the Lincoln 180 doesn't have good enough voltage settings . The Lincoln is for hobby work .
The Miller is the machine of choice and will make better welds even for the beginner . Miller in this example is the best choice by far . No one should ever compare .025 wire with .035 wire for many reasons such as heat settings as well as wire speed settings .
People who compare apples to oranges in their comments have no idea of better welding capabilities and structural strength let alone weld integrity .
This was helpful information
I welded with both Lincoln and miller that was the same amperage and hands down lincoln is the better welder.
Miller Lite all the way baby, oh wait,different comparison. lol
Great unbiased comparison Gary.
Thanks for the video buddy. :-)
lol
I needs a mig welder my Lincoln 120 volt keeps turning off n it will turn on when ever it wants. So my question is Miller welder 120 volt better and is it around the same price as the 120 volt Lincoln
did you swap the polarity on the lincoln they come from factory to weld with flux core more than likely the reason for excess spatter build up
Actually this one came with solid core wire mounted in it. I guess being a 220 machine they didn't send it with flux core and yes the polarity is correct .
Talking about David vs Goliath hahaha isn’t that Miller a $5000 machine?
I bought a Lincoln 180HD and upgrading from a HF 90 amp it’s night and day! Practiced on my AR500 steel target and it melted the steel like butter. My problem was on the lowest setting, I’ve noticed the heat fluctuating for some reason, grounding issues? Second was feeding, it just stopped feeding even when the unit was on. Turned it off and on 3x, nada, then While it was on, I unplugged the wire feed wire and it started again. WTH?! Was it!! I’ve heard Lincoln welding machine are notorious for feeding issues. Should I just fork another $700 for a Miller multi-process?
Nice comparison of apples and oranges
Absolute apples to oranges