The History of the NAMC YS-11
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This is a reupload of my original video covering the history of the NAMC YS-11 video from April, in which I have shortened the length, and also changed the voice so I correctly say the name of the American airline Piedmont. When I originally recorded the video, I was unaware that in America the word Piedmont is pronounced 'Peedmont', thus I said it in the French manner. Thank you to my American viewers for correcting me on that. :)
In this video, we take a look at Japan's first mass-production commercial airliner venture, the NAMC YS-11. While this is an airliner not often remembered, and was beset by behind the scenes problems that ultimately damaged its overall sales success, the YS-11 still managed to achieve what many other aircraft didn't, and that was to sell in the United States.
I would also like to thank Edward Gambill, a former reservation agent for Piedmont Airlines, for emailing me and pointing out an error regarding the original carrier that purchased the NAMC YS-11 in the mainland USA. The element of Piedmont that actually bought YS-11s in the 1960s was in fact Henson Airlines, a commuter airline based in Hagerstown (later Salisbury), Maryland, which later became an Allegheny Commuter airline in 1967. In 1983, the carrier was bought by Piedmont Aviation, a different airline entity which was based out of Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and operated between 1948 and 1989 when it was purchased by the USAir Group, after which, in 1993, the former Henson Airlines was rebranded Piedmont in order to protect the trademark, thus resulting in the Piedmont Airlines that is now part of the American Airlines Group.
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I flew on Piedmont’s YS-11 and liked it better than their F-27. It signaled Piedmont had finally grown up from their DC3s. It was a great stepping stone to their pure jets. Piedmont was a wonderful airline. It was a sad day when they sold to that crappy US Air.
US Airways itself Was Merged With TWA (American Airlines)
I had one flight on a Piedmont YS-11 from Fayetteville, NC, to Atlanta, GA. Really liked the size with its 2x2 seating configuration. It was comfortable and quiet with a good smooth ride.
3:51 - the Rotordyne... that deserves a video on it's own!
I flew on a YS-11 only once. That was in the late 1980s via Simmons Airlines from Chicago (ORD) to Milwaukee. The two things that stuck out to me on this particular turbo-prop airliner was that the seat back refused to retract all the way for takeoff (the stewardesses looked the other way) and the passenger windows were somewhat low for viewing outside. Otherwise, it seemed a pleasant plane to fly on.
Piedmont was not based in Maryland. It was founded and based in North Carolina, with offices in Winston-Salem.
Hey loving the content lately, as a rail fan it would be so cool too see separate 15 minute videos of the big 4 railway companies in the UK and their stories im sure that topic would be so cool with your knowledge
I love the lenticular cloud in the background at 16:46, you'd be in for a wild ride flying near that mountain peak....
Another amazingly detailed story, about another obscure and interesting piece of transport history. Great work as always
I flew on Piedmont YS-11's to Bluefield WV numerous times from 1974 until Piedmont withdrew them in the early 80's. Loved 'em.
It's interesting how Japan came close to creating their own version of Airbus
It would be interesting to hear about the viscount, and, the vanguard too.
You got a discount on the viscount
I flew on these in the 1980's, Mid Pacific Air between HNL and OGG (Maui).
No toilets? I just pictured somebody pointing that out; and the designer saying to himself, "dammit, I knew I forgot something".
And O'leary of RyanAir being just a twinkle in his father's eye but screaming "Put one in, we'll charge 3 Euro for anyone wanting to 'spend a penny' "! 🤣🤣
Fancy being caught out with a dodgy prawn !
I had the pleasure to work on the YS in the US for a cargo company in the mid 90s. Some manuals were still in Japanese, while others in British english because of the Dart engine. That 16.5 foot prop was very impressive. Miss the rice rocket. Thanks for the history and video.
Handsome aircraft. Excellent presentation.
I have flown in an Air Caribbean YS-11 in mid 1990s to Trinidad's sister island, Tobago. Did enjoyed it.
Ruairidh, you surprise me by not commenting on the near identical appearance to the Hawker Siddeley 748. To the untutored eye they appear identical, almost a clone!
Or the Convair 640.
Never heard about the hijacking to NK. Very interesting story. I was a passenger on one from HNL to Lihue on Mid Pacific Airlines.
Holy whoah! Super rare Mitsubishi Colt seen in the manufacturing scene just after the 2:00 mark!!
I’m glad this is back. Great film
Brings back good old memories.
Two important information (IMO) wasn't provided in this video:
1) In Brazil VASP operated 8 units (christened as "Samurai") from 1968 to 1977 and Cruzeiro do Sul Air Services operated 11 units from 1967 to 1977, both very succesfully.
2) In Japan JASDF are still operating the so called "Super YS" (YS-11EA/B), having its Rolls-Royce Darts replaced by Ishikawajima-Harima T64-IHI-10J (built under license from GE) of 3,493 hp.
Hijackings and pilot errors are part of statics but this video correctly does not blame the aircraft itself for such incidents.
Great video! Got a chance to fly on a Piedmont YS-11 around 1980 or so. I remember it being more roomy and quiet than a lot of the other turboprop commuters I've been on. It's sad that NAMC didn't have more success...seemed like Piedmont had a lot of success with the YS-11.
Thanks so much for your wonderful commentary of the YS-11. Brings backs wonderful memories of when I use to fly from Huntington, WV. to Roanoke, Vi. stopping sometimes in Charleston, Beckley or Princeton Bluefield. This was in 1970 to about 1975. Made the trip many times. When I speak of the YS-11 to my friends, most have no idea what type of airplane I am talking about. I also remember windows being at such low angles.
Piedmont flew daily YS-11's into Tri-Cities, TN during the 70s and early 80s. Riding on Piedmont back then was like riding on an air version of Greyhound with all the stops. Lol
The YS-11 got the the Japanese the type of experience to build large parts for other airliners. In fact, modern large Boeing jets like the 777 and 787 use a lot of Japanese structural components.
I remember flying a YS-11 at least once, from RIC to DCA, I think with Piedmont Airlines. It reminded me of the CV-580, although I had the impression all the seating was designed for the average Japanese person (5'6" to 5'8" height, 140-150 lbs.).
The original Piedmont Airlines was based in Winston Salem NC not Maryland. That was henson later Piedmont after USAir took over Piedmont in 1989.
It was a clear mistake he made. Otherwise, a great video.
Nice to see the Air Chatham's DC-3/C-47! I've been on AWP a few times now; happy I spotted her in the video!
Rode in AWP in the days when it was operated by NZNAC
you rock ruairidh 🙌
always happy to see you've uploaded another superb video
cheers from sunny texas
I wont bother commenting on the video. Instead i'll say THANK YOU! for all the great, well produced, informative and fun content you've put out this year.
I hope you have as enjoyable an xmas as is possible in this 'unusual' year. I think I speak for all when I say - We truly appreciate the effort you put in too all the content you produce. It's always well researched and entertaining to watch.
Verly hiteresting. The NAMCO YS-11. A handsome turboprop.
Just wanted to say I think you've really come into your own as a content creator and I am always looking forward to your newest uploads when they arrive. Keep up the good work.
Yet another fascinating and informative documentary on another facet of international aircraft development. Well done!
Well presented and researched.
There is still at least one military YS-11EA - serial 12-1163 - operating in Japan as of October 2021. This variant has GE T-64 engines.
One of the most beautiful turboprop aircraft I ever seen. When I was working at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in 2013, The Airlink College YS-11 still flies with its very lovely but overwhelmingly noisy Rolls Royce engines. really love it's black accents on the cockpit and the nose tips that looks like the Japanese bullet train design. I don't know if it still flies today (2023).
I flew the Piedmont YS-11 out of Charlotte. I remember the first thing noticed were the window were 6'' lower.To bad they did not promote the Rolls Royce engines.A great small airliner...b
I might have flown on one of NAMC's operated by Piedmont. I flew between Dayton and Cleveland Ohio several times before 1982.
Excellent video! 🙂👍
Namco should have looked within on aircraft design. The Belkans have a lot of excellent prototypes to choose from
Aruba has an Ys11 as well. Under water. It's a nice dive site.
Finally got around to subscribing, grest content, thanks!
They - MITI - learned a lot from this project which they applied to their participation in the five-nation/seven company International Aero Engines AG, producer of the V2500 range of commercial jet engines. Japan Aero Engine Company, or JAEC, was comprised of the three “heavies”: Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, and IHI. A collaboration within a collaboration! JAEC had no role in sales but did important work in product support.
Great comprehensive research on the YS-11! One thing, though, JAL only leased one YS-11 for a short while.
Piedmont AirLines was based in Winston-Salem. We made lots of money on these airplanes. The RR engines were screamers
One of my favorite planes ❤️
As always, a thoroughly researched and intriguing story from the backwaters of transportation. The North Korean story included here is worthy of its own post IMO. Many Thanks.
It's not hard to see the influence of the Hawker Siddeley HS-748 on the general layout of the YS-11. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the YS-11. The problem was the aircraft didn't offer anything new or outstanding while costing more than an HS-748. It was one of those planes built by a committee acting on the requests of the government to develop an aircraft of which they had no experience. What it did do is delay the building of a regional jet airliner for almost 50 years, and now that the Mitsubishi SpaceJet has been completed, it's following the same path as the YS-11, with testing and service entry taking years longer that scheduled, and customers who were set to buy it cancelling orders right and left in the face of this silly covid crisis. I'm afraid the outcome for Mitsubishi is going to be the same as for NAMC.
As a lad, I was a member of my ATC squadron's aircraft recognition team. This aircraft was a pain, due to its similarity to the 748; lost many points as a result!
Great vlog as always! There is a docu here on YT about the YS-11 in japanese! Lol! It is great! I have seen it. Loved it!
Had the privilege of riding these in the Philippines with Philippine Airlines from Cebu/Mactan to Tagbilaran vise versa in the 70's and 80's.
I have actually ridden on the Transair one shown at the start. I remember the windows were very low and hard to see out of. (I'm 6')
Only odd thing from a pax POV is the windows were set inordinately low in the fuselage when equipped with western style airline seating, Other than that it was fine.
There were about 8 of them at Fort Lauderdale Intl Airport for many years before they were all scrapped a few years back
The pilot and co-pilot of the hijacked flight were "invited" to join the North Korean air force with the Captain apparently gaining the rank of Sangjwa or Colonel in English
very good video thank you
9:19,
Air Caribbean!
It have one paked up at Piarco International Air Port in Trinidad, but is used to train Firefighters
Calling a plane a prop jet is just another way of the company not being able to admit that they actually wanted to operate jets.
I'm 6' 1" (about 185 cm) and was a passenger on Piedmont YS-11s too many times. Very uncomfortable due to the tight seat pitch. I would choose less convenient flight times to avoid these whenever possible.
I wish they had mentioned Reeve Aleutian who used them on the ALEUTIANS. Pilots liked them. We had a few who had the large cargo doors on them.
They operated in some of worst conditions in the world...
Great plane,rode them many times in the 60s.
In Brazil this plane is known as "Samurai"
Some still fly here in the Philippines as trainers I believe, they used to be the workhorse of local regional airlines.
Air Philippines (thumbnail), Asian Spirit, Interisland, and some more obscure cargo operators used them very well until the late 1990s. It’s true they were the pre-A320s of these airlines. Most of these (or AirPhil in particular) now heavily use A320/321 for ops.
Piedmont never had a crash with them
Piedmont Airlines used to fly these.
Nice!
@6:50 should say, " ...recovery from the violence and destruction of the war that they caused..."
Hi, Sir, you need to do more videos on these kinds of old aircraft
ABX used them , got them from Piedmont
I remember that aircraft it’s identically different than the Saab 2000 plane
Thank you so much - but where do you get all this information from?
Wow, I’m so proud to here this early.
I flew a ys in trinidad 🇹🇹 from air Caribbean theres one rotting on the end of the runway at pos
Finally! Sloppy research on your part! And, a major error. The Piedmont Airlines of 1967 was headquartered at Smith-Reynolds Airport in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. That airport was referenced in every Piedmont timetable until the airline's demise via merger into U.S. Airways. The Maryland-based Piedmont Airlines of today which you mention, was originally Henson, and was an Allegheny Commuter carrier ages ago. That airline today serves American Airlines into which the original Piedmont Airlines was merged ages ago.
I was going to make the same comment until I saw you already did. Also, I noticed he called PI a regional carrier when it was actually called a local service carrier at the time.
@@tpajay Used to see Henson's red, white, and blue Beech 99's at the "Commuter Terminal" of DCA all the time when it was an Allegheny Commuter.
In 1971-2 I worked across the st. from smith-reynolds while in high school I was in the CAP composite squadron there til I graduated in '73 .
Great airport. Loved to watch piedmont's aircraft taking off and landing. And loved the look of the us. By the way the airport, and the old building we in CAP used was the original control/tower that Lindberg
Visited during the publicity tour of the USA after his transatlantic flight.
Thanks for bringing up r-s airport .
It's an easy mistake to make if you don't fully understand the pedigree of the Piedmont name.
Was the zero designer not also heavily involved in the design of the o series shinkansen at the same time?
Well then, what have you got for us ?? Um... zero
I grew up over there. They figured that they'd just cut a hole in the floor, just like everywhere else at the time
Hi, Sir I just love this aircraft it is just as good as the British Avro 748 . I saw in first in Microsoft Flight simulator 2004 this is Japan aircraft at its best. I would like to have one in real life
Lol the cover pic is Air Link Int. Flight schools old student transport plane. They forced the student to pay for tickets to get to the schools public government owned airstrip. On another note they also forced the students to pay to stay in the schools hotel while at the airstrip.
This plane is now rotting away on the side of a holding point at Manila Int. Airport.
TO THIS “JETPROP CLASSIC” BLOGGER, ‘DESPITE A MIXED AEROSPACE,’ “THIS COMMUTER PROPJET, NAMC YS-11 WAS WORTH A REGIONAL COMMERCE,” AND TO Y’ALL, “CLASSIC AEROSPACE VIEWERS, ‘THIS AIRLINER’ COULD BE YOUR UTMOST PASTIME”!!
They couldve hires westerners to market this aircract to the western world, its an incredible aircraft.
There is a Mitsubishi MU-2 sitting under a cover at the local airport, hasn't moved for twenty years. Guess the owner scared of it.
Kawasaki has something of a C-130 killer in production these days and by all accounts it's pretty damn good.
Of course neither is an airliner.
Reminiscent of the Vickers Viscount 😳. No actually The Avro Hawker Siddely 748 Series
AND what is an aylie-eron? Perhaps the YS-11 was the basis of the BAE ‘Advanced Turbo-Prop’ ATP?
i would have loved to fly on 1
I use to see the cargo versions of Airborne Express (ABX) down in Florida. I think the best livery was the Hawaiian carrier Mid Pacific Air czcams.com/video/jKOY8rRX5Bk/video.html
Austral Líneas Aéreas tuvo de estos en los 1970s en Argentina
It would seem that video games have worked better for NAMCO than aircraft...yeah I'll see myself out
So the manuals were printed in Engrish?
Somehow this size and layout of aircraft always had problems. Look at the British Aerospace ATP. Nobody ever made these work.
En argentina lo uso Austral decían que vibra mucho
As much as I liked the YS-11, it stood no chance against the F.27 and FH-227.
Depend , I flew the ys 11 , F 27 , HS 748 , HS 780 , Viscount ! We managed to carry a pickup with the YS . A lot off space
Could you please include metric measurements as well.
Only if it's regarding drugs. Then you'll know how many kilos it was carrying 🍳😎♨
You didn't talk about Mid Pacific Airlines.
Bahamas Air was still using them in 1989. I was flying a contract for them in a DC-3 from Miami a few days a week. They looked like crap. Everything I saw in Nassau looked like crap.
So this is the very same NAMCO that make video games?
DRIVE MOMMY
Its official HITACHI MAKE EVERYTHING
Isn’t this simply a copy of the HS748?
Namco? RIDGE RACER!!!
Guy said Piedmont was out of Maryland, he's very wrong, meaning the modern 2023 Piedmont, which in no way is related to the original Piedmont that flew the YS-11 based out of Winston Salem NC from 1948 to 1989, he needs to do better research.
do more videos about airlines and aircraft and i wonder if you can make a video on the now bankrupt swedish regional airline called NextJet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextjet