Harley Compensator Failures - How to Avoid Replacing It TWICE! - Baxters Garage - Kevin Baxter
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- If you have had a compensator failure in your Harley-Davidson motorcycle or you have replaced your compensating sprocket or engine sprocket more than once this is a video you need to watch. I will show you how to measure sprocket shaft run out to avoid future costly repairs.
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I am glad that you installed a Darkhorse crankshaft and a manowar compensator in my build!!!
Thank you richard. I'm glad you chose it and we work together to make it happen. Glad you're enjoying the build
There's so many reasons I love your channel. The next time I'm in the States I'll happily spend hours looking for you missing box of bits just so I can look around your shop with your approval.
The needle wiggle triggered me a bit. A radiused indent in your mushroom of just greater radius than the shaft being measured would reduce it, assuming it would stay aligned and wouldn't spin...
Love your work.
I usually find misplaced tools after I buy replacement parts. Thanks Kevin!
That seems to be the case in every case Larry. Hope you are well my friend and as always I appreciate your support. Fingers crossed in my quest to find what I'm looking for
A very smart man ,he really knows what he is doing
Kevin great video as usual...
Ok, so you forgot the color of the box you put the tip in. You brain is looking for a brown box and it probably in the red box. You could solve this by buying a new set but dont open it as soon as you get it you'll find the old ones. Then you can return the new one.
You can thank me later! 😅
Well you know that's a great idea the fingers are tapping on my chin thinking about doing just this
Good luck on your search! After a fire and a hurricane in 2018 I’m still searching! Thanks for that interesting and helpful video.
Thanks for sharing. Its good to see someone who really knows. So many shade tree fixers that claim to know whom don’t.
Great video Kevin. I trust no one else with my build!
Thanks sir for another great and informative video & DIY tip.
As a machinist myself, what is the purpose of a compensator? It compensates for the pulses of the v twin engine to prevent damage to the transmission. I find that people who lug their engine at low speed in the wrong higher gear, places far more stress on the ramp of the cam of the compensator and increases wear on those ramps as well as the other moving parts. That’s what I saw on my used 15 Ultra with 17k miles on the OD when I bought it. That clatter clatter from the primary even at idle or start up, word out compensator. The compensator was wore out and I replaced it with a HD compensator and have had zero problems. I don’t lug my engine in the wrong gear at slow speed and I ride with higher rpm’s in lower gears. People who have done away with compensators altogether and run a belt drive, don’t experience these problems either.
.030 of run out seems a bit out of spec but I really don’t know what HD requires.
Great to see you Kevin
Thank you sir. I appreciate that and thank you for your comment
Great info as always. Thank you sir!
Good Video! I just finished, Programming, setting up and running a CNC Lathe, then on to the Mill with the parts. Isn't machining fun!, especially when you enjoy what you're doing.
Of course getting paid helps too.
You are truly a master!
Great info Kevin 👍🏻🇦🇺
Glad you enjoyed it
Good stuff coach 👍
Awesome content!
For those of the metric persuasion, a 4.5mm drill bit is the same as a #16.
Good information Kevin 👍
Thank you very much my friend. I hope you're well and as always thank you again for being such a supporter you've been around for a long time.
@KevinBaxter thank you for building me a bad *** motor. I love it. you're the man
I hate moving. Starret instruments are the absolute best. I hope you find them soon. You will find them in the last place you look.
Alrighty, that's great info Mr. Baxter. However, what are our options when the run out is too great ?
Would you consider a Part 2 covering a late model with roller bearings on sprocket drive side. Where you load the shaft. Thanks
Kevin, those indicator tips are in that red Sterrett flip top box bottom left side drawer of the Machinist top box... Prolly right where you put it last... 🙄
You are The Man!
Should I ever purchase an M8, its going straight to you for a stage 2 skunkworks full treatment.
Kevin...what a decent guy and great show. I asked you a question earlier about installing a timing gear set... There is one question I wanted to ask you. In case you talk me out of installing a gear set, and stick with new pads.....are there tensioners available for new pads that put less pressure on the chain? Since the major complaint seems to be that the excessive fast wear on the pads is primarily caused by to heavy pressure by the spring on the tensioner....I gotta think some company came out with a new type that has lighter tension or pressure to the pads. Any info ??? Thanks
I have a 2015 cop bike that had 1800 miles on it when i bought it. it was only used at a yearly rodeo at the dealer. it was mint. but every so often i would get hard starts. I rebuilt the starter thinking that was what it was. Then it came back several hundred miles later. I was going to do cams anyway so went with darkhorse compensator and an evolution stage one clutch. It has been AWESOME for several thousand miles. The only thing is that there is a minor pulsing if you hold throttle at 2800 rpm. barely noticeable and the benefits FAR out weight that little quirk. I've read that many users of the darkhorse comp experience the same thing.
Can you provide the info on the pieces you use to mount to the dial indicator to the bike? I find numerous setups I can purchase for the pinion side, just don’t know what I would need in sprocket side. Thanks and enjoy all your videos
Hey Kevin, Do you know if the 2024 CVOs are using that comp. with that crappy ramp
that fractures or did they upgrade to something else, just curious.
btw,..your videos are the best, no annoying music or subscribe pop-ups,
just a master mechanic doing what he does best.
Great information, thank you. I could have used that info last week😂
Well if you had let me know Frank two weeks ago I could have shot it a week ago and you would have had it. Lol. I hope you're well
@@KevinBaxter you also sir
Mitch is here! Where there's a will, there's a way👍🤠
If there's a will in the same place that there's a way I would hope to find what I'm looking for there. LOL there is a will there's no way and there's no tips to be found in that place LOL
Star Racing Compensator Ramp replacement part w/ matching spline. Measure runout for sure.
Good info
Glad it was helpful!
Thier in the box marked "Janitorial Supplies". I think I saw it upstairs in the storage area just to the left.
I just moved my shop as well and man I’m going through the same process of trying to find things lol pray for us!
Kevin you know anything about what super chargers do vs turbo chargers for engine life
Most that I've seen just came loose. Easy fix.
Thank you
I'm thinking that the shaft could get bent when torquing the bolt to 175 lbs... just now thinking this and now I want to check the run out.
I believe the "tips" on your dial indicators are called anvils. 😉👍🇦🇺
Maybe I'm just being 'Mr Obvious,' But for all the talk about "precision," in the alignment of crank,s shafts, sprockets and other important parts, that would be a high priority at the time of construction, and not after it's come apart and needs to be rebuilt.
Quality, craftmanship and workmanship, seem to all be lost causes with HD. The ultimate bike, is one that can drive down the road and make it from A to B, without needing major surgery after the trip.
If I was a rich man and wanted the ultimate bike, I would buy it new and then let Kevin have it, to reconstruct the bike from scratch, from the bottom up. And build a bike that should be the standard from the manufacturer. A bike done right!
Thanks for your confidence and kind words. If you look back a little bit you'll find quite a story and interview about Dr Bob who did exactly the same thing you describe. The downside and reality to this is if production motorcycles were built with the Precision then the price would have to go up substantially. It's unfortunate but it is what it is
Same here
@@KevinBaxter Not disagreeing with you a bit. But the price of a HD is already up there with luxury cars, or sport cars.
Honestly, I've had Jap bikes, that never gave me a single concern, as far as their construction.
The HD 88 TC I had, made me break out in a cold sweat when I started it.
It's not enjoyable, to ride something you know can fly apart at any time, no matter how you ride it.
It was a really nice looker too. Well made on the outside, solid and heavy.
But the internal workings of the engine and trans, were always a cold sweat.
I'm sure there was a time, when American made machines, were the epitome of quality, dependability, class and what made America great!
Now, we look to Mexico, to build fake American bikes, with fake sticker logos.
And then... Came the "Livewire!"
Madness! Madness I say! And the beginning of the end!!!
What do you think about the BDL compensator?
Hey Kevin.
Will you be at Bike Week. Daytona?
Hey, Kevin,, I got a 018 flfbs, wide frame, like a breakout, the compansator, has a plastic oil slinger, on the end of the bolt, snaps into the retaining nut,, does it really need that,, I just replaced the ramp, broke in 3 places
What about doing a open belt bdl to get rid of compositor. Is that a good solution?
Great. As to finding your tips? Somewhere. In this house. There is a RED FOUR FOOT level.....been missing for years...Sure hope I did not close it up in a wall! 🤣
I think you need some skunk water to help ya find em’. Hopefully I’ll be seeing ya soon. Shine on!!
Don't you think Harley should do a solid 45-degree crank with side by side connecting rods on babbitt bearings. They would save money on runout and assembly , and warranty work?
I often thought that but it would make the engine wider. Alot of redesign issues
Ain't that the truth
Well, I'm not sure about babbitt bearings, that's some old school stuff right there. However, I've often wondered myself why they don't use a solid crank with shell bearings like most all other twin cylinder manufacturers.
@KevinBaxter I really enjoy your knowledge, explanation and channel!!!!!
It wouldn't be Harley. Rollerblading crank and a single rod journal , chain primary and a direct drive top gear is the theoretical efficiency I would always choose a Harly Davidson for. The farther you deviate from that timeless design the less Harley it is. Might as well buy a Harley wannabe imitation.
Kevin,
Was your Starrett tip set a circle with roughly a dozen tips that screwed in? If yes, I may have that in my retired machinist tools. I'll ship it to you free of charge if you do not find your set.
Dang Kerry.. that's exactly what I'm looking for and exactly what I can't find. It's very gracious of you to offer. I won't ask for it but I will continue to look and if kindness is still in your heart after I don't find it needless to say I'd be honored to take you up on your offer. Thank you so much my friend hope you are well.
I know I have that item. I have to go through a few boxes to find it. @@KevinBaxter
I should be able to ship to your shop next week. How do I get your address? Should I ask Rob or is it public info now?@@KevinBaxter
Just out of curiosity. Is there anything concentric on an old ironhead xl engine ? Lol
My 2001 has 51,000 making noise sounds like compensator not sure, taken a part ,how can I look at compensator maybe look if it's worn out.
Heck ya 😁👍👍👍
I didn’t need to replace compensator but I did a 131 build so I put a dark horse compensator on it. I have had no problems and mine is quiet but I hear lots of people slamming the dark horse saying that it’s loud. Have you heard anything like this?
I have heard this and in most cases I have found it to be a problem within the transmission. Noises can come from a lot of places and I'm hesitant to pinpoint a Cause without looking at a bike on a Case by case basis. It's nearly impossible for that product to create the noise however it could make an issue more prominent making the noise more evident. A complex answer to a simple question but it's the truth
Is there a upgrade compansator for the wide frame , harley. Breakout. And Fatboy,, have 240 rear tire,
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When I looked through the toolbox I inherited, I said, what's this,lol
Thanks for the info
If you inherited a toolbox with a starrett dial indicator kit you're a lucky man
@@KevinBaxter just a few tips
Anyone else jumped off his chair when the lathe kicked in?
I think your indicator box is in the same safe space I have alot things in😂
That very well may be true. I'm sure once I locate that safe space I'm going to find a few hundred 10 mm sockets that everyone is looking for. Lol.
Look under your truck seat
I looked there already and found a bunch of things none of which included what I was looking for. I did put everything in a box and I labeled it things that I'll be looking for in the future and I put it on a Shelf. Lol.
Couldn't you use a round head machine screw or do they not make a screw with the same threads?
I didn't have a machine screw that size and if I did it would either be a Phillips or a slotted which would probably catch the splines anyway. Great thought though and a good solution for someone that doesn't want to try to make one.
@@KevinBaxter
Thank you for the reply. Yes that makes sense. You are my favourite builder and the best of the best to me. One day I will have saved enough money and I'm going to have you build me a engine.
Kevin i ride a 1990 evo softail im thinking of a1.5 belt drive primary enclosed any real advantages other than cool factor anyone chime in thanks
Bet it's a brown wood box, keep looking, maybe it will show up.
There's always that one guy! I'm not seeing .001" runout? Maybe .004"-.005"? I'm probably wrong but can't see why.
I'll be happy to run by your old shop in Winder and look outside IF you want me to.... ;-)
That would be great however the machine shop that occupies that space now may not take too kindly to you taking theirs. Lol.
Bonjour Kevin un petit bonjour de la France french riviera je vais installer un compensateur darck horse sur mon dyna street bob 96ci de 2011 il ce monte directement devant le rotor d origine je n ai pas a démonter celui ci ? merci pour vos video et pour votre reponse desole je ne parle pas Anglais a bientôt bonne journée
I think I saw it over in the corner no wait my wife moved it. Oh never mind.😂😂
the only way to find the old set is to buy a new set
That couldn't be more true finding one the moment UPS arrives with the new one
I'll bet you put it some place secure that you would not forget....
Kevin, why don't you have your videos on Duck Duck Go?
Your tips were accidentally put into a box that was marked "kitchen".
They got put on a shelf with some pots and pans.
🤣🤣🤣
I wish Harley would just offset the cylinders so they could run a one piece crank with the rods side by side, would solve so many issues
I agree. And we would lose some of that potato potato sound that we all love. We are left to deal with the cards we are dealt. Is what it is
If the rods are on the same crank pin would we really lose that potato, potato sound or am I missing something.
Thankyou for your insight and informative chanel, love your work @@KevinBaxter
You still in Ga??? This vid says Nashvegas???
My darkhorse sounds like a bag of marbles rolling around. Hate it!! Think I'm going to go back to screaming eagle.
In my testing I found most of the noise to be coming from the transmission. It's hard to pinpoint noises in truth but if everything is not correct with proper clearances the Dark Horse motors sprocket can unmask those clearances and make a neutral rattle more prominent. Google search 2011 and neutral rattle you will find a tech service bulletin from HD addressing neutral rattle to customers with completely stock motorcycles. You may be surprised at what you find.
@@KevinBaxter thanks for the info and the videos!
The tips are stashed in a deep dark dank dungeon recess of your tool box …..
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Doesn’t matter where you start to look …..
They will be in the very last place you look ….
You are certainly correct. Problem is the last place I looked they still weren't there LOL
It's always in the last place you looked because you stop looking after you find them 😮😂😂
Check your personal office desk boxes.
Those places were the first places I looked. And I'm still looking. Lol.
@@KevinBaxter I misplaced fasteners for a project and wouldn't you know it the original fasteners showed up (found em) days after the replacements arrived.
It will be in the last place you look !
last time i seen them they was in your tool box just kidding dont have clue where there at
What? No snappy intro? Didn't you get the new version?
No sir I did not. If you don't mind I would love to use it if you don't mind sending it again. Thanks for your help
@@KevinBaxter Sent it at 7:48. If you don't get it soon, let me know.
Gotten to old
bet you found it right after the video lol
you know im a little pissed off at you. now i go around saying " isnt that summping".
Hahahahaha. Thats gonna be a new shirt coming soon. Now....aint that sumpin'? Lol
@KevinBaxter put it on a sticker or hat, Im the only dude in the history of dudes that has never had a t shirt. don't get me wrong im a grunt i just can't wear them.
Get rid of it and use a fixed gear problem solved forever.
Your sumping else Kevin😂🫡🇦🇺
Motors are electric.