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Dagon, Lost in Adaptation ~ The Dom
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- The Dom compares the 2001 film Dagon to the H.P. Lovecraft short story it was based on.
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Fun fact, although Lovecraft was very racist he was weirdly self aware about it, he even made a reference to that in this very book, he understood that his biggotry wasn't really a good or healthy worldview but it was the only one he ever knew so he didn't feel he had much choice in his xenophobia so instead he used it to channel his horror writing, he wasn't a good person but he didn't pretend to be one
Holy shit, Lovecraft was a real life Pure Evil Villain?
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With an unfinished Redemption Arc, as he got better as time went on, though he was rather in the middle of working things out when he died.
@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095the KKK REFUSED to collaborate with him due to being too extreme
I don't care, he was still a piece of shit and you shouldn't be defending him. Being racist and knowing it's bad is worse that just being unknowingly racist, actually.
Ok, he should get a few points for self-awareness.
I just realize why they change the name of the town in the movie
“Enboca” literally translates to “in mouth”... Innsmouth...
My god that’s stupid, although to be fair the hotel in the novel was name “The Gillman hotel” so Lovecraft doesn’t exactly beat them in subtlety either.
It genuinely sounds like the name of a rural northern Spanish town, I thought that was clever if a bit obvious.
They also nailed how these towns look and how isolated they are (they're not THAT isolated but still)
Are you serious lol
@@JackieTheCatfox Spaniard here. Yes, Imboca sounds like a legitimate northern Spain town. It also sounds very like the verb 'invocar', that means 'invoke', 'call upon', 'beckon' or 'summon', giving the name some esoteric vibes.
And the action is moved to Spain, where a town named 'Innsmouth' will make no sense. So i think the translation is both adequate and necessary.
Red: The Gilman… Gill Man… *sigh* hmm-kay!
I think the lack of scary description in the “fish people” reveal was also sort of brought on by Lovecraft apparently being terrified of the fish, the ocean and anything wet (even more so than he was of everything else in existence).
Usually, his many phobias probably helped him in being an effective horror writer, but, in this case, he probably found the very notion of “fish people” a lot scarier than the average reader.
I actually laughed at the cover story about the bootleg alcohol, mostly because of how I thought people would have reacted to that.
Government Official: So you're probably wondering why we blew up a small New England town, and that is because there was some bootleg alcohol there.
Citizen: Then why didn't you just take it? Were the buildings made of whiskey or something?
Government Official: ... Sure, let's go with that.
I hope you don't mind that I may have to steal that idea.
l0stndamned Go ahead
I don't know, swat teams taking over crack houses (or innocent people houses mistankely or falsely acusse of being dealers) have been known to be very violent, ramming the doors, throwing granades at the windows, killing all the dogs, even lap dogs, destroying furniture and house fixtures looking for drugs and shooting people after mistaken their game controller for a gun, in the USA buldozing the house of a suspect will be a first, but in an small town of inbreding people who his neighbors dislike a lot, not so unusual
Its basicly a bustercall.
I mean, it remembers me of a story from one piece.
As an aside, in the book the government arrested a lot of them. The ACLU complained. They were then showed the prisoners. The ACLU said "never mind".
Here's how I'd do the Lovecraft intro:
"He's the guy who created Charles (points at picture of Cthulu). No matter how I pronounce it people will get mad at me, so I'll call him what I want".
There is SOME foreshadowing in the book but it is very subtle. one person tells "Robert" that he has similar eyes to marsh and that a lot of the architecture in innsmouth disturbs him due to some unknown familiarity but at the time of both he shrugs them off.
Specifically, it was Zadach, and possibly one other person. Also, there's the bit when he first sees the tiara.
Plus, they did mention several times that the MC's grandmother was a weird stranger, and that one of Obed's daughters married an Arkham gentleman and cut off all contact.
@@timkrauss3961 It's brought up in passing a couple times more in a "some of this corruption has gotten out" kind of way. And then clarified in the epilogue portion of the story where Robert looks into it after getting back to "civilization" because he can't get everything about it out of his mine and actually places her as his direct ancestor and then fills in how certain members (mostly women) in that direct line of the family are always rather cold and clammy to the touch and go kind of odd before getting reclusive or disappearing eventually, right up to and including his mother.
I believe the protagonist was also directly compared to Obed a few times.
I suppose technically his connection to the Deep Ones was out of nowhere, but my first thought when it was mentioned that the founders daughter married an outsider I thought: "Oh god, is he gonna be descended from them??" and thus I was correct.
Yup, I had that "CALLED IT!" Moment as well....after reading so many books/ comics and watching so many movies/ anime-you can see the tropes coming...
@@BahstX That is the thing. They weren't tropes until later....though I admit that 'narrator is the descendant of something inhuman' is a twist Lovecraft may have employed too often.
Can you imagine Lovecraft's reaction to The Shape of Water? I'd love to see the look on his face when learned about that.
I am a Lovecraft fan, btw.
MrNozza123 I know right or even aquaman or the little mermaid and him finding out there’s a movie about fish people falling for humans as a kids movie would probably give him an aneurism
Also a huge fan of lovecraft
Two things you forgot to mention:
1. The plot point of Robert having a Deep One cousin locked up in Arkham Asylum, and how he was gonna break him out on his way to Innsmouth.
2. The fact that the Deep Ones are bringing up Shoggoths (monsters from the other Lovecraft story, At the Mountains of Madness).
Also slight nitpick, but the order of events is that Robert hears the rumors about Innsmouth, THEN goes to see the tiara.
Shoggoths???
@@martinarreola64 The ECOG (Expository Creepy Old Guy) name drops them right before he realizes he's been made by the Deep Ones and skeedaddles.
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Which I guess indicates Mountains was written before Shadow.
Author really love plagiarising themselves.
¿Arkham Asylum? ¿That means there is a crossover with batman?
PD: it´s a joke, I know Arkham is a place in Lovecraft books and that it´s were they took the name for the asylum, don´t overreact
As a note on the ending of the book and the film - the role-playing game Delta Green (which assumes the characters will be members of said organization, a branch of the FBI that deals with Lovecraftian Mythos threats) actually elaborates even further on the US government's counter-strike against the Deep Ones.
After wiping out Innsmouth and then bombing the Deep One city they found, what Delta Green did was set up a ritual chamber in which they'd perform the ritual to summon a Deep One, and once one had shown up they'd rip it to shreds with gunfire. Then they'd do the ritual *again*, and kill that one as well. Apparently they did this enough times that, by the 90s, when the RPG is set, the Deep Ones basically have withdrawn entirely from surface society and refuse to answer any and all summons, since apparently all that does is just get them filled with lead.
That is freggin awesome. It might drive the folks shooting them insane, but its a small price to pay to give the middle finger to the Old Gods that they and their servants aren't so invincible >:)
@LordManda2 I TOTALLY agree!
The possibilities are AMAZING!!!
JenxRodwell ironic, isn't it?
That sounds like quite a game. I'd kill for another Lovecraft fan to play that with. Ah, well demographics I guess...
That....Is hilarious.
I once saw a play in Chicago based on Shadow Over Innsmouth as part of a theatre class on speculative fiction that I was a part of. The role of Robert was replaced by a woman who was an Anthropology student journeying to visit her relatives in Arkham and her ties to Innsmouth are built up over the course of the play instead of revealed at the end. I liked the play better than the book, but do have to criticize the points where characters just sit there and talk for long periods of time. It doesn't happen often, but when it does it gets a wee bit boring. However, the story's still intriguing, you can follow it even if you've never read the book, the suspense is great, and Olmstead is probably one of the best written female characters I've seen in my, admittedly short, experience as a theatre watcher. I highly recommend it if it ever plays again.
One little note: the suicide by self-immolation did come from another story by H.P. Lovecraft (Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family), which had a similar theme of hereditary degeneration to Shadow Over Innsmouth.
I'm a long-time fan of this series and it was a thrill to see my "grinning man" drawing early in the video!
HP Lovecraft had serious issues with fish, didn't he?
So is Lovecraft responsible for the first hentai?
Madder Max And Insects
Michael Johnson
And immigrants
Michael Johnson He had serious issues with everything that wasn’t him
And maths.
Also it's a shame many of Lovecraft's non monster stories don't get the attention they deserve, such as The Cats of Ulthar, the Music of Erich Zann, or his Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath.
I would love an adaption of The Music of Erich Zann. That story is like a Twilight Zone episode in book form
TheApachacha I would also like to add The Rats in the Walls
@@Pooky1991 Ouu yes, Rats in the walls, Music of Erich Zann and in the walls of Eryx please
Zann is mentioned in the Laundry Files by Charles Stross, one of his violins is an exceedingly powerful weapon. Does that count?
Late but: I LOVED the cats of Ulthar. I don't think it would make a good movie as it basically only consists of (spoiler warning) this couple likes to kill cats. They kill a cat belonging to a wanderer kid who seems to have some pull with an elder god, as said kid causes all cats in the village to eat the couple alive. Great story, but too short for a movie. I think the music of Erich Zann could make a great movie, particularly if the director is clever with their use of the image of a dead person still playing their instrument.
My first question when I saw the thumbnail was, WHY WOULD THEY MAKE A MOVE BASED ON A FIVE PAGE BOOK ABOUT A DUDE LOOKING AROUND AN EMPTY ISLAND WHILE BEING WATCHED BY A WEIRD CREATURE THAT ISN'T MENTIONED UNTIL THE END WHEN THE NARRATOR IS LIKE, "I'M BEING WATCHED BY A WEIRD MONSTER, BYE!" tf?
Alba Tris Well I'm pretty sure a large portion of the Bloodborne DLC was heavily based on it too but then again Bloodborne doesn't even have enough story for five pages, even with the DLC.
its actually based on the shadow over inssmouth...still, it doesn't make sense why they'd name it dagon if theyre two different stories..
The Innsmouth people were worshiping Dagon as he is somehow related to Cthulhu and the rest of the Deep Ones religion. Something about Father Dagon and Mother Hydra possibly being the origin of the Deep Ones made by celestial immigrant Cthulhu. And the church in the movie is the Esoteric Order of Dagon.
I think the movie did it to try to subvert expectations but it just pissed people off. Then again, with all the other "this is based off of this book but has this name instead" movie adaptations it isn't that surprising. I'd look up the IMBD trivia for the movie to learn more. Seems the movie took 15 years to get made. Though the details to why are conveniently missing.
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It's rule of cool.
Dagon is a way cooler name.
Incidentally let me recommend the extremely weird short story Dagon,
by Avram Davidson.
Set at the time of Operation Beleaguer, the forgotten episode where the US Marine Corps was sent to North China.
Honestly this actually did happen.
For anyone interested in other Lovecraft stories: The Color Out of Space was the first one I ever read, and I highly recommend it.
Nice, maybe I should look up that one. The first one I read was The Nameless City
My personal favorite is The Shadow Out of Time
Aidan Peterson. The color out of space is my favourite Lovecraft's story. I consider it one of his best work.
Pete Ainsworth Well then it might please you to know that the adaptation that came out this year, Color Out of Space, by Richard Stanley is amazing. It does change some stuff, like updating he setting and having the events of the story happen over a shorter time than the story, but it’s still very faithful in how it captures the cosmic horror Lovecraft intended.
Ah yes. The story about *"mysterious colors unlike any seen on Earth"*
"a couple tentacles short of an Elder God" ...Brilliant.
"interloping into their 'bizznizz'" Lol it's the little touches sometimes.
An absolute delight as always Mr. Dom.
I think the monsters might also have something to do with the fact that Lovecraft had a fish phobia. Thats why all his old ones resemble marine creatures. Ive always found some of the other old ones like Ithaqua and Ygolonac far more frightening.
You shoul read „The Dreams in the witch house“. Although it‘s kinda racist, like Lovecraft does, it is one of my personal favorites. The story is not only really creepy, but also creative, and the monsters are not as fishy looking as in other stories.
It's beginning to look a lot like fishmen.
Every where he goes
And when I started to look around
There's some fishy bros
I hate that you made me sing this in my head
@@thatoneguy7345 I thought these ill-bred people's gill slits show.
Sorry, just had to continue the verse.
I remember the first time I read Lovecraft. I found it was the most incomprehensible thing I've ever read. The sheer volume of words was like a grain bag to the brain.
-Doctor Ink
Hahahaha, piece of Lovecraft trivia for you: He always wanted to go see Niagara Falls, but never managed to. A child who was his neighbor friend and whom he always fed with his Shakespearean vocabulary is related to have reacted to the Falls by saying: GEE!!! I imagine what Mr. Lovecraft would say!!!!
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There ARE towns like that in Spain, Dom, especially in the north (where it's set).
While not completely isolated or without technology, there are rural areas that are NOTORIOUSLY difficult to access by car or any other method of transportation.
So that town from Resident Evil 4 isn’t far off???
@@Lazlowinthehouse Haven't watched/played any Resident Evil movie/game.
Dom, in Spain there are PLENTY of isolated coastal towns, particularly in Galicia (where the film is set). The setting is perfectly plausible, HOWEVER nobody would speak a lick of English there, and some of them wouldn't even know Spanish (they would speak Galician, a local language).
Seeing the local priest and the town drunk speak even the most basic English shattered the suspension of disbelief for me.
I always thought it was pronounced with an unstressed vowel sound: 'Innsmuhth'.
It is
You are correct
@@timv82
It's standard pronunciation of English coast towns named after rivers, like Portsmouth or Plymouth.
But as he's talking about Inboca (in the mouth, in Spanish), it makes sense to say Ins-Mouth.
Shadow over Insmouth has always been my favorite of his stories. The thing on the door step is a close second.
When I was a kid I wanted to be a Science Computer Man Doing Smart Stuff when I grew up...oh childhood dreams.
"The Shadow over Innsmouth" is one of my favorite Lovecraft stories!
I'd like you see your take on the 1970 and 2009 versions of The Dunwich Horror. I live near the town of Whately, Mass., after which Wilbur Whately was probably named.
One thing I'll give the film: it's one of very few attempts to make Lovecraft scary on screen. Almost every other visual adaptation that touches his work goes for cooky comedy rather than horror.
I'd prefer an acute not annoying version, but I'll give them that one point.
I have a H.P. Lovecraft book with a bunch of his stories in it and The Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of my favorites. It was genuinely creepy near the end reading how the protagonist in that story slowly came into his inheritance despite the obvious dumb plot hole of him writing his account and became one of the fish people. It was also interesting how he built up the mystery throughout the story.
Yes I felt for this lonely, isolated guy being creeped out by freaky fish people.
Glad he finally embraced his destiny.
A happy ending of an unusual kind.
Dom, could you PLEASE put together a video comparing the many movie adaptations of "The Hound of the Baskervilles," much like how you compared "A Christmas Carol?"
I've been trying to track down and purchase every known version that there is of the Sherlock Holmes story, at least the ones that can be easily purchased. And it would seem that there are at least 7, but perhaps 9 versions to specifically compare.
1939 with Basil Rathbone
1954 with Peter Cushing
1964 with Peter Cushing (again)
1978 with Peter Cook (a parody)
1982 with Tom Baker
1983 with Ian Richardson
1988 with Jeremy Brett
2000 with Matt Frewer
2002 with Richard Roxburgh
and 2012 with Benedict Cumberbatch (although this one changes the setting and formula quite a bit).
I understand this may or may not prove more complicated than your Christmas Carol video. But I would be extremely excited to see this as your next topic for comparison.
Thanks so much for the consideration.
FilmmakerJ I can't remember the Rathbone version, but of the others that I've seen, they all screw it up in one way or another. Even the Brett version wasn't good, and he was probably the best Holmes there's ever been!
FilmmakerJ Did the Soviet adaptations include this story as well?
Andrew Gwilliam My personal favorites were the Peter Cushing Hammer film, and oddly enough, the Matt Frewer version, mainly for that portrayal of Watson, and the unique locations they found in Canada as opposed to the albeit actual moores. nothing against the moores, of course, they're gorgeous. Matt Frewers Holmes, though, is atrocious because he simply does not have the capabilities of nuance and subtlty. And despite many standout episode and a geuine overall high quality, the Brett rendition was just boring to say the least. Ian Richardson's, I can say was... different. Not good or bad, just very different in the changes and story elements it chooses to use as opposed to the more usual route. I was quite pleased with the Tom Baker version, however I haven't had a chance to finish all the way. But his is probably my favorite version of the opening dialogue with Watson, and subsequent discussion with Doctor Mortimer.
the best version is the Sherlock TV Shows movieadaption of course.
Who needs Charakterdevelopment and atmosphere, you know what we need instead? Evil Scientists and phantasydrugs!
I realy want him to review Sherlock, ore Agatha Christie. I like his Style, but dont know ore care for most of the books he covered so fare.
It gives me the warm and fuzzies whenever I'm watching a video and one of my drawings pops up! :D Anyhow, Dagon does a good job of representing the novella on a purely aesthetic level, and that includes the main character: I always picture the quintessential Lovecraft narrator as someone who looks like he belongs in Devo. Unfortunately the rest of Dagon, such as how that character's actually written, is about as respectful to the high-concept source material as Humanoids from the Deep.
I saw a silent black and white Call of Cthulhu short film on Netflix a while back. It was really cool, and probably the most faithful adaptation of Lovecraft's work out there.
never knew they tried to make this a big theaterical film. i'm surprised. i honestly enjoyed this movie. i fully thought it was a scifi original film from back when the scifi channel wasnt syfy and actually had enjoyable things to watch
I love this movie. I stand behind it being enjoyable and lovecraftian.
I saw this movie years ago and loved it so much.
I recall playing a Cthulhu mythos PC game years ago by the name of 'Dark Corners of the Earth'. Probably the most faithful adaptation of Lovecraft's work in any medium that I've come across.
It very neatly solves the inherent problem of the source material's brevity and the out-of-nowhere plot twist regarding the narrator's heritage by taking the plot of 'The Shadow Over Innsmouth' and recasting it with the protagonist from 'The Shadow Out of Time' (complete with trippy distant future/past visions) and garnished with just a little 'Call of Cthulhu' foreshadowing to tie it all together.
It might be worth a look if you ever consider tacking non-movie adaptations.
Fair warning though, the bit where you have to escape the hotel room was the single most terrifying experience I've had playing a video game and not a single jump scare in sight. It's 100% white knuckle panic mixed induced by problem solving under time pressure and with no weapon until later on in the game you're always feeling vulnerable and far outnumbered.
Id love a Lovecraftian adaptation with a kick ass military/battle scene that is a hard fight between the Humans and Eldritch. And though it ends in a Human victory, it has a painful note that the Eldritch abominations can only be delayed, never fully stopped. And that what the Human's fought was not even their full might.
August Derleth has a book where the US navy nukes Cthulhu and Rhlyeh, but only manage to sink the elevator island city (comes up and down from the sea, can only call it an elevator island) and send Cthulhu back to sleep because they destroy the portal he was coming out of. Apart from sending him into another nap, the nuke does nothing but destroy a few Rhlyeh buildings.
From what I have been able to gather, Lovecrafts racism sort of tapered off in later life. You can see some elements of his self reflection on that account in Mountains of Madness. I went looking but could not find the exact quote. There's a part in the story where the protagonists find Elder Things that died in a viscous struggle and in a moment of introspection feel sorry for them despite how different they are.
Of course I could just be hoping that is true and he was a terrible racist his whole life. As I recall, a friend of his named Loveman burned all of his correspondence with Lovecraft in a fit of rage when he found out what a racist he had been. So shrug.
I too was rather touched by the protagonist's sudden sympathy for those Old Ones, resurrected to a world which must have been frighteningly alien to them.
isn't Innsmouth kind of iconic as a location? isn't changing the setting from there kind of like not setting batman in gotham city?
Not really. It's only referenced in one of HP Lovecraft's stories. Not one other one, just the Shadow Over Innsmouth. There is a reference to an Innsmouth in another story but it's a town north of London England, not in New England
Well, I mean, Batman was originally set in New York and a later writer made up Gotham but I see what you mean.
In the movie they actually name the town Innsmouth basically but in a different language from what I recall. I don't remember which one. But it's only iconic because he had a habit of not clearly naming locations things were taking place in. Innsmouth, Arkham, Kingsport, and Dunwich are the only places he named in the Miskatonic valley. And he doesn't make it clear how close or far from each other actually are or if there are others. Though he does have stories that take place somewhat around those locations.
Arkham or Kingsport are probably far more iconic but people don't necessarily know why or that they are Lovecrafts but are the settings for several of his stories.
@@Quandry1 Spanish. "Boca" means "mouth", so... "Innsmouth" -> "Imboca".
It DOES sound like the name of a rural Spanish village, though. I liked it even though it's as subtle as a sledgehammer to the groin.
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He didn't make it up exactly.
Gotham has been a joke name for New York since the early Nineteenth Century.
anyone else for Dom doing a H.P. Lovecraft month including Reanimator, From Beyond & "Edgar Allen Poe's" "The Haunted Palace" starting Vincent Price?
Reanimator was a great flick. Lovecraft Month FTW!
I would point out the oddity of having an EAP story in Lovecraft month, but I'm guessing that name is in quotes for a reason
+QuikVidGuy Very much so. The movie is named after an Edgar Allen Poe Story, but is an adaptation of The Strange Case of Charles Dexter Ward.
Ben Rodriguez Are the two stories alike in any way, or were they just grabbing the more recognizable name?
+QuikVidGuy Still not sure myself. but They starred Vincent Price, was produced by either Hammer or Corman- so basically it was rolling with Poe to connect with Mask of the Red Death, Fall of the House of Usher, etc.
This series is fascinating, particularly when you've seen the movie in question, I likes it!
Love H.P. Lovecraft as an author. Hope you can make this a kind of mini series like you did with the Hunger Games. A series of videos on the different Lovecraft films based on his short stories.
I'd love to see that too know many Lovecraft films aren't that good which is a shame
Same here. I think September/October would be best for netting new viewers.
Kaldor Kandoka Eh he doesn’t deserve a good adaptation of his work
I personally think, just from what I'm seeing of this movie, and having done a bit of a deep dive into Lovecraft, that it WAS an attempt to be faithful IN SPIRIT, if not in text. The reason being, having studied Lovecraft's work and, more importantly, his real-world influences, is that they understood exactly what Lovecraft was trying to say with his work (and, seriously Dom, you really did not stress enough of how big of a racist this man was -- his views on white vs non-white people are WAY more central to the central ethos of his books than anything else) and knew that translating it directly would probably not go down well -- so, they shifted it enough that the audience wasn't SUPPOSED to like the protagonist, and the horror wasn't just the mere existence of such people, but active, outright stated intentional harm (the book, even with all things considered, you could make the argument that the narrator was not in ACTUAL danger, just assumed he was, being an unreliable narrator and jumping to conclusions)
Also - I understand where they pulled “Dagon” from for this story - it’s the name of the old one the people of Innsmouth are worshipping (doesn’t appear in the book, personally, but he is at least mentioned)
Yes.
But I like the fact that the narrator was a loon and not really in danger (probably).
This is my favorite video you've done. I love it when an artist/teacher gets me into a text that I was never into before. Thank you so much!
I could watch this movie, in the mouth of madness, prince of darkness, the thing, and from beyond for the rest of my life and probably be okay..I know there are better films but these films never get old to me. For some reason the main theme/song to Dagon always gets my excited to watch it..who knows why
Having read both Dagon and the shadow over Innsmouth, imagine my delight when th clerk a my local DVD club informed me they had a DVD called Dagon newly arrived and asked if i could review it for them.
Shock and horror at first, laughter later on..I could not believe my eyes. they butchered the shadow over Innsmouth story, called it Dagon for some reason, and made a mockery out of the Deep ones.
The hybrids look Batrachian according to the mythos (a fancy way of saying they look like frogs) not tentacled.
The deep ones...imagine a huge frog -like creature, that can go head to head with a sperm whale. An unreasonable amount of razor teeth is mentioned. A cross between a frog and a shark comes to mind.
That's the least of it. The old ones are indifferent to humans! They could wipe humanity out but, why go to all the trouble? Also, in Shadow over Innsmouth, there is mention of Shogoths.
Wanna know what they look like ..read at the mountains of madness.
As a horror movie it sucks. As a Spanish attempt at a horror parody.. it kinda works. Remember they may be speaking English but, they are still thinking in Spanish.
I think if frink was the main character it would have been fucking hilarious
I hope Guillermo del toro's adaptation of at the mountains of madness ends up being made as that could either be a great film or a train wreck
I will admit out of many of his writings this is one of my favorite books. Even tho the fish people is goofy now
0:12 Finally, more people had read the book than watched the film!
Yay, something Lovecraft related! Awesome vid! This made me want to read 'Shadows over Innsmouth' again, I'd totally forgotten about the town being destroyed at the end. The most important thing in a Lovecraft adaptation would have to be the tone and atmosphere imo, and this movie doesn't seem to adhere to those. An adaptation of his works I can recommend is 'Het onzienbare en andere verhalen', a Dutch comic book by Erik Kriek which covers a number of stories including Innsmouth. I don't know if it's been translated to English, but the artwork alone is great and fits the content :)
Dom, why did you show that creepy image of the smiling guy
Great video! Nice to see some Lovecraft on here! Might as well chime in with another suggestion: STALKER vs Roadside picnic, love both! :D
I'm considering myself to be quite a fan of HPL, but I also love cheap horror movies, so I actually liked this adaptation. :)
A much better adaptation of Shadow over Innsmouth that I just recently discovered through one of Spoony's old videos is Call of Cthulhu: The Dark Corners of the Earth. The game graphically hasn't aged to well. But it definitely nails the tone that Lovecraft's stories usually go for. The game is available on Steam but has some unfixed glitches that you'll need a patch for. Highly recommend it though.
I was so happy you did this one since the shadows over innsmouth is one of my favourite books!
02:16 and 02:37 You summed it up so effing well! Such epic buildup… and then... * sighs *
THEY'RE JUST FISH!!!!
He came to understand how evil racism is. At the Mountains of Madness is an anti-racist sci fi novel. A flawed man, but he was striving to be better.
I'd love an episode on Falling Angel by William Hjortsberg and its film adaptation Angel Heart starring Mickey Rourke & Robert DeNiro. It's admittedly a cult movie and it's kind of a mix between Rosemary's Baby and Chinatown like a supernatural film noir but I think it deserves more recognition & would make a good Halloween episode.
I too recalled Angel Heart.
It's quite a Lovecraftian story really.
I don't mind the casual, yet intentional bits of outdated values, ethics and viewpoints in works from Lovecraft's time. In fact I quite enjoy it, it communicates the age of the work, and thus the era I'm stepping into while reading it far better than mere contemporary dialects and terminology.
same here. I'm currently listening to "Call of Chuthulu" and the brief moments of "Racism" in the book reminded me that these stories were written during a time not my own.
That's an interesting way to view it.
Myself? I just accept his racism and roll my eyes at it. (Not ignoring it, but it was the 20s.... Everyone was super racist then. So I can't truly be mad.)
Carewolf which story was that?
I don't remember the name, but it was one of his earlier stories, and I agree with Carewolf. I don't care about the racism when it's just brought up on the side, since it's a product of the time (and I think it's adds an interesting meta-element considering that the fear of the unknown is often the case of racism), but there are some stories where he just hits you over the head with it. It's not only uncomfortable to read, it also ruins the atmosphere because a lot of the racist comments are so dumb by modern standards.
Another, slightly less stupid one that I remember dealt with a Native American guy going insane, and the whole story kept talking about his primitive nature, simple mind and tribal instincts, and at that point, it just becomes very hard to ignore.
I always thought it was funny how Lovecraft was avid pen pals with Robert E. Howard of Conan fame who had almost the exact opposite take on primitive v.s. civilized cultures.
after watching this, and seeing that the deep ones hinted at possibly trying new york next I would kinda like to see The Doms take on "The midnight meat train" a movie based on a short story by Clive Barker
Since in that there was apparently something already in new york thats old enough to possibly resist deep one influence
So that's what the village in Bloodborne the Old Hunters was based on.
Also his grand escape from the hotel room was far more epic and cinematic in the book than the movie, it was one of the few times in a Lovecraft book something felt like it was happening fast.
One comedic instance of the xenophobic tendencies of his characters is when the narrator was describing his initial thoughts on the residents of Innsmouth, where his first thought to how fishy they looked was race-mixing, though it's only really funny as they actually turn out to be fish people
And more specifically half fish people, so it more species than race mixing, but close enough
In the Shadow over Insmouth, the creatures that are the villains are also the creatures that worship Dagon in Dagon. As this is an interconnected universe, like the MCU, charecters pop up repeatedly.
I've always really had a problem with stories where it's hinted that the monsters will rise up against humans. "We can breathe under water", we have guns, "We have a spell that can kill you in a second", we have guns, "We have " GUNS GUNS GUNS not to mention bombs and generally bigger numbers
Most of the monsters in Lovecraft pretty much laugh at guns especially the ones with astral aspects. Even the likes of cannon fire are regarded as merely annoying to all but the weakest of them and blowing them with a bombs usually means they'll just sleep for sometime and just rise up again fully renewed. Remember as Lovecraft said with strange aeons even death my die.
Terminalsanity Ok then that kinda makes sense, I was more reffering to the Harry Potter aspect of things for example
Go read the Dresden Files. The power levels of regular humans is the justification why everyone keeps vampires and whatnot a secret: They may be weaker than other creatures but technology and numbers are quickly turning the "prey" into dangerous enemies. Guns are very lethal and even magical creatures are shown resorting to buying MP5s out of practicality. Off the top of my head:
A wizard kills a native american demon by luring it into the blast radius of a nuke.
A Vampire nearly kills a Wizard with a flamethrower because the heat can bypass his magic shield.
Nearly every succubus carries a Desert Eagle or similarly large handgun (superstrength lets them handle the recoil)
A sniper rifle is the preferred weapon of choice against superbeings because you can kill them before they can react.
During a war between wizards and vampires, the latter have an advantage since wizards have a walking EMP effect: The vampires can fly by plane, use smart phones, and communicate through the internet. Wizards have to walk, drive, commute, or use a very dangerous and impractical method of interdimentional travel owned by a neutral or sometimes hostile faction. Computers break if they get too close so the internet's right out, and they're lucky to get a tracphone working for long.
Oh, and one of the many powerful factions recognized by a pact of supernatural superpowers is a Human mafia.
Try 'The Laundry Files' by Charles Stross. Think Lovecraft+Bond. such fun.
The first is 'The Atrocity Archives', i'd recommend reading or hearing the whole series
The best Adaption of this Story is the Japanoschlampen The Movie 2
Genau das dachte ich auch, hahahaha! Coldmirror ist die Beste.
Considering it's directed by Stuart Gordon, who is a big Lovecraft fan, he probably just got over excited at the prospect of making another Lovecraft adaptation. He's not the best film maker, but he is the most enthusiastic. I think Re-Animator is the only one of his Lovecraft films that could be described as good.
I love this movie. I was told it was a spoof. Never lend to hate it after that!!
Again, almost any adaptation of Lovecraft's work is a steaming pile of shit. It takes patience and love to pull it off, something only a mind like Guillermo Del Toro or maybe Kubrick would be able to accomplish.
Bloodborne did it well XD
Despite being an adaptation of another story not written by Lovecraft, The Thing comes off as a well made Lovecraft story. In The Mouth of Madness as well, also despite not being based on anything directly.
***** VERY loose, but yes it does share a lot in common.
The Call of Cthulhu short film in '05 was F**king A
Wesley Hunt Was that a thing?! Holy shit how have I missed this, can you link it???
The movie was awesome. Yes the effects are shit, yeah the acting is dodgy, all that is true, but the movie has a octopus mermaid and is thus made of pure awesome.
You would really want to see the Call of Cthulhu silent black and white fan movie. That one is almost 1 to 1 adaptation of the story.
Trifon Trifonov your taste is....strange
In the Elder Scrolls Oblivon there’s a quest directly referencing the Shadow over Insmouth
This video was proceeded by a commercial for HBO's in-name-only adaptation of Perry Mason. The CZcams algorithm has an ironic sense of humor.
I'd like to see a video on the resurrected vs Charles Dexter Ward book. I think the movie has a different name in the UK
I actually really like this movie, remember its made by the same guy who made the reanimator and from beyond, so I expected the tone to be different. Yeah its corny as hell but its kinda fun too. And this clearly help inspire the first town in RE 4.
The drunk guy, Ezekiel, is play by Paco Rabal. It was his last film before he died.
Paco Rabal began acting in the 40's and became well known for playing the lead man in romantic dramas in the 50's and 60's.
In the 70's, 80's and beyond he mainly played "old-man" secondary characters like: the wise mentor, the old trustee servant, the ritered low life that give a crucial clue to the young protagonist, etc, etc.
And Paco Rabal didn't speak a word of english, so he memorized all his lines phonetically, having no idea of what he was saying.
The shadow over innsmouth is my favourite. You should definitely do that hp lovecraft pop culture video
11:44 -- "...who's inexplicably attracted to annoying nerds named Barbara" -- How many annoying nerds named Barbara can there be in the world? As fetishes go, that's quite a niché.
it's "niche"
not "niché"
“They’re coming to get you, Barbara...”
... I would say it’s probably just another descriptive name for annoying, useless women in horror movies - like how we use the name “Karen” or “Becky”.
For anyone wondering, the Lovecraft story actually titled “Dagon” basically is about a guy escaping a ship where he was a POW, being lost at sea for a while, then waking up on what seems to be the ocean floor but dried up. He wanders around for a while until finding totems carved into the seabed with aquatic hieroglyphics and becomes so horrified he passes out and wakes up in a hospital.
I think this was the first Lovecraft story I read and... yeah, while it's a really good piece of horror literature, the story as it's told doesn't have any hints that the character's mindset actually changed between the time when it happened and the time when he wrote it, so the ending twist doesn't make much sense.
There's a certain type of shock-value twist where you can kind of smell that it was added onto the story after the rest was already written, because the rest of the story is written as if it isn't true, instead of being written as if to omit the truth of it. The Shadow Over Innsmouth unfortunately falls into that camp, but everything up to the ending is solid, which honestly kind of lets it get away with it. The twist is the last element of the story so even if you don't like it you still have a complete story.
I'm a Lovecraft fan and I liked this film more than the story it is inspired by ("based on" is pushing it IMO) despite the changes they implemented. SHOTS FIRED.
I have some suggested reading, if I may:
The short story 'The Same Deep Waters As You' by Brian Hodge. It concerns what became of the inhabitants of Innsmouth 'arrested' by the Feds.
The graphic novel 'Neonomicon' by Allan Moore. 'Graphic' doesn't begin to describe what goes on in this book.
I would love to The Giver in your lost in adaptacion. I read the book first and than got diaspointed by the film. I would like to know if the movie could be good on its own ( if i would not read the book first)
Mn K it was very...........Hollywood. Lol.
If I can interject for one second a very meaty and well worthy piece of literature is It's Kind of A Funny Story. I love the book so when I saw the film adaptation I was completely appalled.
Isn't strange at all that they putted Macarena Gómez as one of the villains. Have you ever seen that woman without make up, and opening her eyes on full stretch? There is times I would swear they were gonna fall out of her eye sockets. XD
They probably hired her, because she wouldn't need make up to pretend she is part of the fish people.
No kidding, I have never seen her before, but Jesus is she creepy as fuck, even when she's doing nothing.
What is dead will never die but comes ups stronger. 🌊🐙🐙
I'm sorry to mention this Dominic but it actually was foreshadowed in the book that Robert was related to the deep ones. because multiple people in the book like the trainstation worker, the old lady at the local museum in a town next to innsmouth were robert first arrives when he gets of the train and Zadok all mention that Robert has the 'innsmouth stare' in his eyes.
One final note: this movie was Directed by Stewart Gorden who adapted multiple H.P. Lovecraft stories including Re-Animator and from beyond. but unfortunatly Dagon was low budget as fuck and concidering the fact that he gave us a scene of a decapitated re-animated corpse going down on a strapped down, naked barbara crampton....the added gore is no surprise.
I would suggest playing the game Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth. Its actually a more interest adaption albeit different from the source, but fun.
Lost in Adaption - Lord of the Flies please dom it would be so interesting for both the old one and the new one
I remember seeing this movie in a haze of sleep deprivation and booze and just having no fucken idea what was going on until halfway through the end kinda waking up from it like "Wait! WAS THAT FUCKEN DAT FISH TOWN WHAT LOVECRAFT WROTE?!!? FUCK WAS THIS SHIT?!"
I've only read a few of HPL's stories, although I do own a collection of all of his known works, but Dagon for me was the only one so far that has actually terrified me.
I'm not certain why
In the video, near the beginning, that drawing of a man with the wide eyes and distorted face also scared me so maybe I just have a weird mind
"Said buts will be described in the next section."
Oh, goody, I love discussing buts.
How have I not found your channel over four years? Oh well, guess the CZcams algorithm finally figured out what I like?
I have read both Dagon (all 8 pages worth) and The Shadow Over Innsmouth - yet this makes me still want to see this movie.
I am baffled by the existence of this film and the decisions made in its creation, especially considering the existence of Dark Corners of the Earth, a game which almost explicitly makes every effort to if not directly adapt the story, do its utmost to utilise the one presented and create an alternate plotline (in this case a man expressly investigating a disappearance instead of looking for gold).
Lovecraft had a hatred of seafood. _That_ is the reason most of his monsters are basically "humanoid with some aquatic animal features" - he _personally_ considered that sufficiently scary. Same sort of thing I'd do with putting beaks and feathers on monsters to make them creepy.
Like the others I recommend you check out Call of Cthulhu: Darkest Corners of the Earth as a video game adaption as while it is named after another story it is also mostly based on Innsmouth with a lot of references to his other work, along with more action despite still keeping a lot of creepiness and suspense of the story. (Hell the depiction of the town and the escape from the hotel using deadbolts is almost accurately depicted.
But you a bit right about some of Lovecraft's monsters not being as scary as they could be in a way. While a lot of it is the cosmic horror element or the understanding that Humans aren't the greatest beings in the universe actually, some of his creatures just aren't that scary to me.
Hell I remember one story where he described a monster constantly as being fluffy and I could for the life of me not take that thing seriously or menacing because fluffy does not equal scary to me at all. XD
Another great example was this super tense scene in At the Mountains of Madness where a giant and scary creature was slowly moving towards the main characters, and they were strike with fear watching these creatures move closely... especially when they turned out to be... completely harmless gigantic penguin creatures.
I actually ended up laughing for a good couple minutes at that part.
For anyone who wants to know how to pronounce cthulu, here is a hinT, Lovecraft said your supposed to stick the tongue at the roof of your mouth and cough the first syllable. The word is supposed to be two syllables.
The main plot hole of the movie is that if Imbocar had adopted the worship of Dagon in the timeframe described, the town would have run afoul of Franco's regime, who wouldn't have taken kindly to a whole community abandoning the Catholic church. Come to think of it, "Franco versus Cthulhu" would be an awsome movie.