THE VILLAIN SHOWDOWN | Tomb Kings vs Chaos Dwarfs - Total War Warhammer 3

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Komentáře • 122

  • @brycemiller5744
    @brycemiller5744 Před rokem +28

    These battles between you and Enticity epitomize what I love about Total War; two masters of their craft sweating it out and no meta to guide them. I feel this is the closest we get to how real generals must've felt. Throwing men at the points and seeing what sticks

  • @squirrelstar051
    @squirrelstar051 Před rokem +73

    Would really like to see a Necrosphinx game with how dominant Bull Centaurs and Bale Taurus/Bale Taurus characters are.

    • @kroxigordundee7767
      @kroxigordundee7767 Před rokem +26

      @Malignard If you bring the ROR Necro you get 70% fire resist which would be unholy vs Cdwarfs

    • @lovebus00
      @lovebus00 Před rokem +4

      ​@Kroxigor Dundee the issue is that it also DEALS fire damage

    • @kroxigordundee7767
      @kroxigordundee7767 Před rokem +2

      @@lovebus00 True but it should still be good against Lamassus and things like that while the CDorfs units only have 40% resist

  • @traingleXchoke
    @traingleXchoke Před rokem +62

    Loving the amount of replays here Turin, nice one mate!

  • @jameswilley6722
    @jameswilley6722 Před rokem +78

    I mean star dragons are super expensive but they have 30 armor, slightly more health, 40 weapon strength and ~10 melee attack and defense more than the bale taurus. Pretty sure a star dragon loses to the bull because of that bananas fire resistance, but just evaluated as a generalist monster without looking at cost or their utility to the roster they're on I think it's hard to say that the bale taurus is better

    • @lookleft6836
      @lookleft6836 Před rokem +44

      Funny fire cow goes moo

    • @CompetitivelyAwesome
      @CompetitivelyAwesome Před rokem +8

      Plus much better breath attack

    • @williammitchell6254
      @williammitchell6254 Před rokem +15

      Also star dragons Breath is way better

    • @christianlangdon3766
      @christianlangdon3766 Před rokem +15

      Honestly, it's probably a roster thing more, so a star dragon being expensive in an expensive fraction is way harsher than the moo for the cwarfs. Which is why it's better, you also have that it still trades rather well vs star dragon so all that price tage means is you still end up trading the game cuss you brought a dumb dragon.

    • @Enigmouz
      @Enigmouz Před rokem +12

      But the elves do have healing for the star dragon while the chorfs don’t for the fire cow, which makes the star dragon a lot better with synergy

  • @MichaelB-jw5po
    @MichaelB-jw5po Před rokem +23

    Loving all these Chorf replays! I'd love to see a Dwarfs vs Chorfs match, especially one with lots of artillery on both sides.

  • @adeptusjoker7176
    @adeptusjoker7176 Před rokem +20

    I wonder if TK want a screaming meme for leadership debuffs and a casket for damage?

  • @TheSakurambou
    @TheSakurambou Před rokem +40

    Can't wait for the Bone Giant video! There's a small hope that it'll not be a disappointment.

  • @housecatofwar8532
    @housecatofwar8532 Před rokem +5

    Love how the Taurus fight like happy frolicking cows.

  • @mrplaguedr9955
    @mrplaguedr9955 Před rokem +13

    love your vids! Wonder if any casted aoe ffas are coming up.

    • @gun_hound
      @gun_hound Před rokem +2

      AoE coming up soon! Turin has been showing off those Chaos Dwarves since he is one of the few people with access to them right now, but more AoE to come. For anyone else looking, join our discord as we have several people like Uravity and LetotheDuke streaming FFA's almost daily! Turin Discord - discord.gg/ePTxYpfT3d

  • @DrRipper19
    @DrRipper19 Před rokem +1

    Great example of why I feel that Domination needs an overtime mechanic similar to FPS capture point games like TF2.

  • @jakemocci3953
    @jakemocci3953 Před rokem

    “Laborers” cracks me up everytime

  • @easymoneeey
    @easymoneeey Před rokem +3

    Turin and Enticity really pushing the limits of their units and getting really really sweaty. giggity

  • @fidelcashflow4940
    @fidelcashflow4940 Před rokem +2

    Also they gave the entire lore of fire a light rework and all new effects Turin! Its very nice!

  • @Crytica.
    @Crytica. Před rokem +2

    Exciting! I was curious how these two construct factions would fare against one another.

  • @MostlyUnreadArmchairExpert

    Arkhan: Bwahahaha
    Astragoth: BWAHAHAHA
    Arkhan: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
    Astragoth: BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
    Arkhan: ...

  • @dome2919
    @dome2919 Před rokem +1

    Oh yeah, Bone giants got a shadow buff. Was pretty cool!

  • @christerprestberg3973
    @christerprestberg3973 Před rokem +2

    In the distance, sad stardragon sounds can be heard

  • @magusmagi8529
    @magusmagi8529 Před rokem +7

    You gotta help me out here: I watched a recent cast of yours where a bone giant couldn't dent a corpse cart and you were fairly critical of them.
    I feel like Ushabti Greatbows rarely perform for me the way they used to.
    Do I grab em with a few chevrons on? Do I buff them with Lore of Nehek? What's my philosophy when deploying them?

    • @bigmerlin3795
      @bigmerlin3795 Před rokem +3

      As a clueless noob, I would say 9 chevrons and all the buffs to make big skelly man go shoot shoot.

    • @Goony1246
      @Goony1246 Před rokem +1

      Ushabti all the way man. f you Bonedaddy misses his shot, you get no value, plus he reloads slowly. Ushabti fire way faster and also more models (duh) means bigger chance of getting a hit. They're also faster and can kill cavalry and such much easier. Literally only downside of bonedaddy vs ushabti is that the ushabti has worse range, they win in every other aspect tho.

    • @idle_q3699
      @idle_q3699 Před rokem

      Do not bring GBs against bum rush chaff factions. They will not get their value and you will have to give up early game points.

    • @firsttimehuh1266
      @firsttimehuh1266 Před rokem

      It’s cause the bone giants miss all their shots against, well a lot of things but specifically all the VC carts. They aim for the front of the carts instead of the actual cart so they literally never hit.
      I observed this a lot in single player where I watched multiple bone giants kill a vampire lord on a dragon but do virtually 0 damage to corpse carts.

  • @liamcullen3035
    @liamcullen3035 Před rokem

    Very cool matchup! I was surprised to see the Screaming Meme Catapults doing such great work!

  • @CompetitivelyAwesome
    @CompetitivelyAwesome Před rokem +4

    5:20 Damn just every single arrow from the bow Ushabti just DELETES an Ironsworn model. Armor can only help so much I guess.

    • @sassyviking6003
      @sassyviking6003 Před rokem +12

      To be fair, those are like balista sized longbows. It anything has the right to delete even the most powerful infantry, it's something like that.

    • @rodmrc5863
      @rodmrc5863 Před rokem +1

      @@sassyviking6003 if I´m not mistaken, the great bows ARE considered artilary in the game. They just lack the multi model piercing like a Cannon

    • @sassyviking6003
      @sassyviking6003 Před rokem +1

      @@rodmrc5863 yea, shields cannot block great bow shot, which is typically the dividing factor.

    • @fidelcashflow4940
      @fidelcashflow4940 Před rokem

      They are probably the hardest hitting archer unit in the game, they are designed for murdering armored cav and infantry, they just have huge bows shooting like spear sized arrows lol

    • @CompetitivelyAwesome
      @CompetitivelyAwesome Před rokem +1

      @@sassyviking6003 Oh yeah I agree they should! I was just commenting how the model just explodes in half when the arrow hits.

  • @MultiGamer20211
    @MultiGamer20211 Před rokem +1

    Hey Turin, off topic question but what options do you think Khorne has into Chorfs? Is the matchup just doomed from the start or can Khorne fight back? Great video as always :)

    • @techelitesareadisease8816
      @techelitesareadisease8816 Před rokem +1

      I think Chorfs will probably struggle with a minobus. Granted, the Bull Centaur Renders w/ GW are really good, so maybe not

    • @hounddogzepp
      @hounddogzepp Před rokem

      Guessing lots of mobility and avoiding bringing fire damage

    • @sassyviking6003
      @sassyviking6003 Před rokem

      Really cheap and wide. Flesh hounds and marauder horsemen both seem like good picks. For a front like maybe some bloodletters mixed in with dw marauders to cut through hobgoblins and laborers like a warm knife through butter. The fire resist is rough, but I don't think insurmountable. With focused fire something like the ap missiles of horsmen will smash chorf infantry, artilery, and SEMs.

    • @MultiGamer20211
      @MultiGamer20211 Před rokem

      @@hounddogzepptrue but that’s real tough when like 75% of the roster has fire damage and all your lords do too.

  • @Necreon021
    @Necreon021 Před rokem

    Me clicking on this video: oh hey regenerating undead faction vs everything fire damage guys, who will win? Fastforward to video's end: yeah, thought so.

  • @FerpiliciousProducts
    @FerpiliciousProducts Před rokem +1

    I haven't seen any gameplay of the Bull Centaur Hero. Is it viable at all in MP?

  • @FPSveteran
    @FPSveteran Před rokem +4

    Triple screaming Skulls sound great on paper but they miss too often, and even hit your own infantry as well. I'd maybe drop the scorpion for some horsemen to try and out maneuver the cdwarfs on objectives and pin them at their spawn/home. This has won me games against dwarfs who even spam dwarf units across the map because they couldn't gain map control.

  • @Farseer15
    @Farseer15 Před rokem +1

    Could you do a game with Slaanesh to see if the nerfs have made them balanced?

  • @Juggernautdemon
    @Juggernautdemon Před rokem

    Thanks for uploading 4K content. My main monitor is my LGCX48 OLED, and non-4K content just looks so pixelated on it that its not enjoyable to watch. The bitrate of the recording seems to be too low for 4K though.

  • @Graciatus
    @Graciatus Před rokem

    This was great chance to play Gates of Erkund in the background by Windy Rose...

  • @artfact2
    @artfact2 Před rokem

    Have the Screaming Meme Catapult projectiles been tweaked too? They seem bigger and prettier.:)

  • @nedaraid3372
    @nedaraid3372 Před rokem +1

    Tale of the Tall Hat Tussle

  • @virtuian1
    @virtuian1 Před rokem

    Seeing what Turin can do against CD, is different that what a mere mortal can do.

  • @ismlamaroof6438
    @ismlamaroof6438 Před rokem

    Shoulda put those wolf riders on the catapults. You can't let them unload all their ammo into the field.

  • @WPTheRabbitHole
    @WPTheRabbitHole Před rokem

    the 'ole Screamin Memes baby

  • @Miedes100
    @Miedes100 Před rokem

    Loving all these videos on chorfs, keep em coming brother!

  • @ze_Steiner
    @ze_Steiner Před rokem

    Will there be a Chaos Dwarf’s campaign pre dlc release ?

  • @jackeriksen6753
    @jackeriksen6753 Před rokem

    Damn, Greasus Goldtooth turns now! Will Flying Taco be unstoppable?

  • @phantom6014
    @phantom6014 Před rokem +1

    Bull renders just seem to be incredibly good overall. Seems like a combination of their (relatively) small entity size and overall great combat stats. Damn near the entire unit seem to be hitting strikes meanwhile dragon ogres for example get stuck on eachother.

    • @nielsdejong
      @nielsdejong Před rokem +2

      They however do have low armor and speed (relatively), and when getting stuck on infantry quickly take damage. I hope they keep them as they are right now, as the chorfs need them as an anker.

  • @kastor6647
    @kastor6647 Před rokem

    Now that we have a bull model in the game I demand an Averland longhorn unit for the empire

    • @kastor6647
      @kastor6647 Před rokem

      Could be a wild stampeed, controlled by the winds of ghur or ridden by Averland cowherds

  • @mjr543
    @mjr543 Před rokem +1

    How do you stop a BaleTaurus from sniping the Bone Giant or Astragoth using the improved Firestorm to nuke the Catapults? Sounds like you have no great tools yet to space him out?

    • @boosterh1113
      @boosterh1113 Před rokem +2

      Sepulchral Stalkers will do an excellent job of punishing any Taurus dives. Astragoth isn't so much of a problem: while he is reasonably mobile for an infantry-sized model, he can't fly and isn't super fast, so he doesn't want to get out of position and get surrounded by Ushabti, or maybe pinned in place by Horsemen and beaten down by Tomb Guard.

    • @mjr543
      @mjr543 Před rokem +1

      @@boosterh1113 I mean Astragoth has 60 speed vs Ushabti's 54 so with micro he can outmanoeuvre them and even if micro drops the range on the spells can be the difference to kill the catapults, plus Astragoth will kill models in melee pretty quickly so you'll lose the unit in a minute or two even without CD shooting being in play which it usually would be. As for the Taurus, the Stalkers melee is a bit more concerning but it's a strong unit and all 3 caster lords (2 LL and the generic) have synergies with fire dmg that can be pretty disgusting either for sniping or sustained fights, both suit the Taurus, plus one of the generic options had a healing item which we haven't seen tried out anywhere yet (least I haven't?) which might change the dynamic yet further. Just seems like putting all the funds into catapult + bone giant would be too many eggs when the CD already have the tools to counter it but the other factions haven't really got the meta worked out to deal with them is all. But experimentation is how you get to the meta, and would be an interesting match to watch at least. Anyway, have a good one.

    • @mjr543
      @mjr543 Před rokem

      @@boosterh1113 Ah ps. In either case, vs Ushabti or Stalkers, the ranged shooting of the CD tips the balance yet further, especially with fire weakness eg from Ash Storm. (Sorry, I initially typed out the reply in the drop down menu but YT bugged out and I lost it, then forgot this part when I had a 2nd go of it.)

    • @idle_q3699
      @idle_q3699 Před rokem

      from what I’ve seen, chaos dwarves like all newly released factions are overpowered and there’s nothing you can really do except abandon the arty pieces manually and run off. Bone giant rarely gets its value due to how piss poor it’s accuracy is so I really only used it as a missle meat shield with its massive hp pool. I would say use the giant as bait instead of being a center piece unit.

  • @goddagogeddagabbagool

    I must have missed the pvp change where you can just re-summon an entirely healed Lord. Why the fuck?? Astro just waltz back in at the end after an entire game of magic was used on him.

  • @CompleteNewbie
    @CompleteNewbie Před rokem

    So cool. You nearly get me to play.

  • @fishbaitzez
    @fishbaitzez Před rokem

    Alternative title: Bull in a (bone)China shop.

  • @wile123456
    @wile123456 Před rokem

    Petition to call the great taurus for the "Lamborghini mount"

  • @jayyrod1
    @jayyrod1 Před rokem +1

    I don't play any aspect of Warhammer but turin sure makes these matches fun to watch.

  • @Binaeroooo77
    @Binaeroooo77 Před rokem

    what changed with screaming skull catapults I felt like they were pretty trash in warhammer 2

  • @Wvk5zc
    @Wvk5zc Před rokem

    The real question is can you beat chorfs with Cathay?

  • @dr_yeet9399
    @dr_yeet9399 Před rokem +1

    Tomb Kings man, what is it with the 'Neutral' factions being absurdly fucking awesome? The Skaven, Orcs, Tomb Kings and whoever else there is all the non chaos and non-order factions are just a blast I swear.

    • @johnsnow5125
      @johnsnow5125 Před rokem +3

      Skaven are Chaos-aligned. The Horned Rat is a Chaos god

    • @dr_yeet9399
      @dr_yeet9399 Před rokem +2

      @@johnsnow5125 Never really included them myself, just cus they don't have daemons of the rat/verminlords (yet) and chaos always tries to kill them anyway and lore wise archaeon was like "nah fam no rat powers" thats just me tho of course.

  • @rodmrc5863
    @rodmrc5863 Před rokem

    every time I see CD i think how massive of a beating Khorne is gonna get from CD... sad times for collecting skull and getting blood to flow

  • @steks99
    @steks99 Před rokem

    Realy Great Match

  • @joshmilner4864
    @joshmilner4864 Před rokem

    Id love to see some LM vs CD please.

  • @Davemcg15
    @Davemcg15 Před rokem

    Not arkhan the black vs zhatan the black?

  • @lookleft6836
    @lookleft6836 Před rokem +1

    Do Chaos Dwarves have any weak match ups? They seem pretty well balanced just a bit overturned

    • @williammitchell6254
      @williammitchell6254 Před rokem

      Maybe Cathay their counter artillery is strong and they have good anti large.

    • @TheDownrankTrain
      @TheDownrankTrain Před rokem +1

      Empire does well into them, Lizards have loads of tools and I have yet to see Dark Elves vs chorfs but I imagine that could be a stomp with the sheer amount of AP

    • @bruuuuuuuuhhhh
      @bruuuuuuuuhhhh Před rokem +1

      As far as I've seen, Chorfs excel early on and can win some battles decisively, but they fizzle out as the battle starts to drag on. I'd say if you focus their more powerful units like the Taurus, occupy their artillery with some flankers like furies or goblin wolf riders, and goon their casters early on, you might be able to survive when they do fizzle out. Take this with a grain of salt I'm not too good at multiplayer

    • @techelitesareadisease8816
      @techelitesareadisease8816 Před rokem +3

      anyone with normal cannons is going to have a favorable MU into them.

    • @sassyviking6003
      @sassyviking6003 Před rokem +3

      I've seen them smash and get smashed. People are still feeling out the matchups but they seem mostly balanced. They are super strong but also super expensive. Your units will do crazy work if you can protect them but if you are careless stray magic or shooting can deal with them like any other elite units.

  • @spartan662501
    @spartan662501 Před rokem

    The magma cannon is the first unit I have seen that is so blatantly overpowered that it taints my enjoyment of these videos. Every time I see them I have to grit my teeth to push past it. I simply don't understand how that thing got past the testing phase in its current state.

    • @turinRTS
      @turinRTS  Před rokem +1

      You know, we've found ways to beat them lately, but yeah they need a 100-150 cost increase

  • @TheSyrx
    @TheSyrx Před rokem

    Nice, a brawl between two of my favorite factions. And I know Arkhan is the de-facto meta Tomb King lord for the past 5 years, but Jesus Christ I really wish people would bring something other than him sometimes. Settra or Khalida might actually be decent in this match-up. Khalida with ranged buffs and two Bone Giants should delete any Chaos Dwarf machinery tbh.

    • @idle_q3699
      @idle_q3699 Před rokem

      Yeah Arkhan is pretty meta just because TK doesn’t have any good duelists beside Khalida or the necrosphinx so we kinda need him just to spam spirit leech. You would think an undead faction could on demand heal their center piece units with magic but instead I need to bring necrosculpters or whatever the green guy is called

    • @TheSyrx
      @TheSyrx Před rokem

      @@idle_q3699 Yeah and the Necrotects aren't even that great, the buffs they give to constructs aren't that noticeable and big constructs like Hierotitans aren't even that good in the first place. The heal they can do is decent but Necrotects themselves are very squishy and terrible combatants, so most Tomb King builds just end up being the same Arkhan/Ushabti with variations here and there.

    • @firsttimehuh1266
      @firsttimehuh1266 Před rokem

      Especially in dominantion. In land battles your more free to bring whatever.

  • @Luizguilherme-iz9yl
    @Luizguilherme-iz9yl Před rokem

    turin do a 2v2 ultra funds tournament dude, it would be sooo great
    pretty please??! 👉👈

  • @lrh5206
    @lrh5206 Před rokem

    My inner elf is triggered by your bale taurus comments xD

  • @vorck111
    @vorck111 Před rokem

    did you just call tomb kings villains THATS GOING IN THE BOOK

    • @turinRTS
      @turinRTS  Před rokem +1

      Arkhan is 1000% a villain!

    • @vorck111
      @vorck111 Před rokem

      ​@@turinRTS oh right i forgor oops

  • @DarkPabloPL
    @DarkPabloPL Před rokem

    What? Since when screaming meme catapults are good? Did i miss something?

  • @LordJeggen
    @LordJeggen Před rokem +3

    I'm going to guess the Greatbows didn't do to well because of the silver shields many of their targets had.

    • @tommasopisapia7464
      @tommasopisapia7464 Před rokem +2

      do shield even work vs Greatbows? aren't they like artillery?

  • @eumaies
    @eumaies Před rokem

    gg

  • @bullbae02
    @bullbae02 Před rokem

    are the tomb kings really evil?

    • @j5mello1
      @j5mello1 Před rokem +5

      Overall, the TKs are probably neutral/slight lean towards good. They mostly want everyone to stay out of their land so they can finish their transition to glorious immortality. His lord choice Arkhan is definitely a villain/evil character in the lore. Arkhan is the right hand of Nagash who woke the dead of the whole TK empire before they could find the secret to true immortality; that's why all the other TKs hate Arkhan.

    • @johnsnow5125
      @johnsnow5125 Před rokem

      True Neutral. They mostly hate Vampires/Nagash. There's one TK city in which they rule over living humans subjects

  • @SquigglyBeasst
    @SquigglyBeasst Před rokem

    I only play campaign, and then pretty much only TK, but was thinking during the match - you need a bone giant or two!

  • @AAA-bz1ts
    @AAA-bz1ts Před rokem

    So...the Chaos Dwarf player's plan was to just sit on the point, tank numerous catapult and ushabti missiles and not charge to take them out for some reason?

  • @regulusm1518
    @regulusm1518 Před rokem

    GG

  • @69shadesofyeezeezs47
    @69shadesofyeezeezs47 Před rokem

    Chaos Dwarfs are over tuned because CA needs to sell its 1 faction dlc for like 25$ lmao

  • @idle_q3699
    @idle_q3699 Před rokem

    How would anyone even think this would be a close match?…tomb kings are now a terrible B tier faction at best versus their hardest matchups being elite infantry, singling out strong lords / heroes, and dealing with SEM artillery. All of which the chaos dwarfs have and leverage. Tomb Kings is just a crap faction that people play for a campaign power fantasy. This is coming from a TK player.