SUPER CHEAP $10,000 S15 Nissan Silvia SPEC R!

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  • @GARAGESZERO
    @GARAGESZERO Před 2 lety +151

    stoked on this

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 Před 2 lety

      Would be so cool : The rebirth of 'Mona Lisa' from Fast and Furious - Tokyo Drift right ??!!!.. ;0)

    • @jdmfreak22
      @jdmfreak22 Před 2 lety +2

      @@poplaurentiu4148 nope.

    • @larrylampshade1734
      @larrylampshade1734 Před 2 lety +1

      @@poplaurentiu4148 yeah…no.

    • @k1wi_steve
      @k1wi_steve Před 2 lety +1

      @@poplaurentiu4148 no sir.

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 Před 2 lety

      @@k1wi_steve Steven & Larry.. c'mon guys what was so bad ? i was talking about cool tuned Silvia before got wrecked in that movie.. in movie, unfortunately got destroyed but that is another story, what is important that car was nice when Han give it to Sean.. and since Throtl build the Eclipse replica, and other tuners the orange Supra somone should also include somehow somewhere the 'Mona Lisa to be a classic cult.. ;0)

  • @ThumperBros
    @ThumperBros Před 2 lety +3

    I bought my 70 year old neighbour’s 2001 S15 for $1000 AUD a few months ago. It had a low speed crash 8 years ago and the radiator support was caved in, plus he drove the car home with a busted radiator.
    It spent the next 8 years in a garage. When we pulled it out of the garage it was literally covered in thick dust. Gave her a wash. Paint came out good.
    I’m in the process of resurrecting her. It’s going to be awesome when it’s said and done.
    It has high mileage 225,000km but was always looked after.
    A true barn find

    • @DriftLifeAus
      @DriftLifeAus Před 2 lety +1

      Great buy/find! Would be a good YT series of finding it and documenting the rebuild if you have done so @ThumperBros

  • @NissanR33Ztune
    @NissanR33Ztune Před 2 lety +79

    lol that’s from where I live here in Japan , got same color with sunroof S15 also and just finished up at the paint shop. Tochigi is north of Tokyo away from the ocean and if it’s clean underneath it’s most likely not from the mountain area up here. PS back wheel arches between the Spec R badge and the wheel underside rust loves to form just above where the front of the subframe joins the body..., just got mine sorted before it became an issue , might be good to get a light up in there and check carefully.

    • @popoclay5532
      @popoclay5532 Před 2 lety +4

      Isn't that. near Twin Rings Motegi?

    • @NissanR33Ztune
      @NissanR33Ztune Před 2 lety +2

      @@popoclay5532 it is it’s about 30 minutes from my place so is Nikko actually kind of spoiled here 1.5hour away from Ebisu and 45 minutes away from Tsukuba also.

  • @GleepGlop2
    @GleepGlop2 Před 2 lety +11

    Pro tip, as I lived in Japan - google translate app uses your camera to translate japanese text in realtime. Useful for reading japanese stickers etc.

    • @zeddy675
      @zeddy675 Před 2 lety

      Beware Google translate will give you really ugly things and even wrong translations. Better speak Japanese IF you live in Japan

  • @NissanR33Ztune
    @NissanR33Ztune Před 2 lety +47

    Japanese streets have messed up high curbs as in they are up from the road and then back down to the ground, looks like this guys driving your S15 might have mounted them , super easy to do. Rear rails they are made from tin the part the slots into the main rails and too many times people try to lift the car up from that point and they just crush in.
    Alternatively the old owner use to drive this car at Nikko circuit lol it has a massive drop off after the straight so could have been that for the damage also , I do my best to stay off that drop off as much as possible 😂

  • @atweber
    @atweber Před 2 lety +27

    I like the Nismo bumper and the oem tail light. The aftermarket tail lights looks cheap.

  • @andrewcowden9704
    @andrewcowden9704 Před 2 lety +55

    I think the wing makes it look too dated. I think something more subtle would make it more timeless.

  • @Dirtyz1234
    @Dirtyz1234 Před 2 lety +52

    I must be the only one who likes a nice, clean, stock body S15 🤣

  • @cheeseontoastbrah
    @cheeseontoastbrah Před 2 lety +3

    Millennium Jade is the colour you're looking for

  • @ahjwille
    @ahjwille Před 2 lety +26

    I think you need a lower profile rear wing. the fiber glass one looks too tall. Just my thought.

  • @klal
    @klal Před 2 lety +30

    The tire wear on the inner edge looks to me like it's caused by toe so it might have always been on stock suspension but with the wheels out of alignment. Great find!

  • @farewell_to_normalcy9352
    @farewell_to_normalcy9352 Před 2 lety +7

    Can’t go wrong with any speed academy videos these days. Definitely has moved as one of my favorites

  • @pchae1
    @pchae1 Před 2 lety +1

    You guys have so many parts, you just find them in the back bin.. so crazy! Your collection of cars is off the hook. Can't wait to see this and the FD finished.

  • @no_lft_shft
    @no_lft_shft Před rokem +1

    This channel is hands down the best when it comes to builds build quality and vehicle types. There just isn't a better more consistent channel imo.

  • @BProJDM
    @BProJDM Před 2 lety +8

    How just a couple of years have changed the market! So happy to have been able to get you something decent and cheap for a build. Can't wait for the next episode!

    • @speedacademy
      @speedacademy  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes indeed, what would this car go for these days landed?

    • @BProJDM
      @BProJDM Před 2 lety

      @@speedacademy For one of the absolute cheapest Spec R, R grade, high kms, possibly other issues, maybe around $18,000 cleared customs price CAD to Vancouver, BC. Worth noting that 80% of the units with public sales data are R grade these days.
      One of the cheaper Spec R's with 120,000km and grade 4 sold for about $30,000 CAD cleared.
      Once you get to the minty units with low kms and no repair history, you're in the $40-50,000 cleared customs price range CAD from auction.
      A number of the really minty and low-km units are at dealerships in Japan. They're notoriously expensive, going up to $50-85,000 cleared customs price CAD at the top end if you didn't want to spend time looking, and purchase something right now.

    • @JzLyfe
      @JzLyfe Před rokem

      To bad you guys don't deliver to the US or have a dealer here, trying to get my hands on an s15 and there are some shady importers showing up now over pricing everything smh.

  • @jordanhart2979
    @jordanhart2979 Před 2 lety +6

    I’d be lying if I said I liked all the extra body panels, I like the stock look. Lowered on a nice set of wheels. But that’s why everyone’s opinions are different, keep up the good work!

  • @romerlnico
    @romerlnico Před 2 lety

    You guys have the one of the best JDM collections out there!!!

  • @wilsonlalvay4067
    @wilsonlalvay4067 Před rokem

    I literally subscribe just because of this JDM Silvia what a beauty.. my dream JDM can’t wait to see all the upcoming videos. Love all your clean projects my type of Statics😍🙌🏻

  • @DansWorld31
    @DansWorld31 Před 2 lety +1

    That garage is now filled with all the JDM legends.. dream garage!

  • @RJon2006
    @RJon2006 Před 2 lety

    This is cool little car. Good luck on the build!

  • @kc550
    @kc550 Před 2 lety +11

    You guys made some epicly timed vehicle purchases. God tier lineup! Hey Pete, sell me your 930!!

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah their collection of '90s royalty is almost complete, they just need a clean ZR-1 boat motor late model LT5 C4 Corvette, 300ZXTT, 3000GT VR-4, and a NSX to complete the stable!

    • @kc550
      @kc550 Před 2 lety +2

      @@anydaynow01 lol C4?? Come on... even the 3000gt/dodge stealth is a stretch. I personally would much rather have a clean 90s turbo MR2 and GC impreza with a clean sti swap (see Bucky Lasek's white GC). The 300ZX is still very affordable and likely due to it not being friendly to work on - those TT engine bays were packed real tight.

  • @tylerfitzgerald266
    @tylerfitzgerald266 Před 2 lety +2

    Put whatever wing you would like, it's your build! But personally, the tri-point spoiler is what makes this car unique and what made me fall in love with it as a kid.

  • @wedgoku
    @wedgoku Před 2 lety +6

    I feel the era of JDM cars is coming to an end, your average joe can't afford to purchase these vehicles anymore & has been priced out of the market. Ask yourself why would I spend $30k+ on this very old "used" car with high miles, when instead I could buy a brand new 2022 Subaru WRX/BRZ or Honda type R for the same money?

    • @speedacademy
      @speedacademy  Před 2 lety +2

      We keep saying the same thing. The whole fun of these cars was they were cheap so you carols use them without a care.

    • @MachineGunMike
      @MachineGunMike Před 2 měsíci

      Because it’s a better car. Many people can afford a $30,000 car.

  • @jamescagle5208
    @jamescagle5208 Před 2 lety +10

    I might just be getting old, but I like the look of it as it is without the kit.
    Think about how excited/relieved you guys were to find an unmolested example.

    • @fabulousprofound
      @fabulousprofound Před 2 lety +2

      I feel the same. After seeing too many kitted ones of questionable taste makes appreciate stock more these days.

  • @diporayinda3860
    @diporayinda3860 Před 2 lety

    SO EXCITED!!!

  • @kreparAZ
    @kreparAZ Před 2 lety +7

    My vote is spoilerless or like a simple lip/duckbill. Stoked for this one. Gives me chicken coop vibes with the sr and this chassis. Great video boys! Stoked to see it back from paint. Maybe a more dark gray silver. I feel like Mercedes has some cool silvers that could work we’ll

  • @WarriorsPhoto
    @WarriorsPhoto Před 2 lety +1

    Another great car video and thank you for sharing this with us. Congratulations on such an awesome find.
    I wish I was in a place to do these kinds of builds. (:

  • @shawn2104
    @shawn2104 Před 2 lety

    Heyyy just met Peter at my local Canadian tire!! Hi Peter lol so crazy seeing one of my favourite internet celebs in person. Weird to think we live so close anyways love the channel

  • @josebonillas1471
    @josebonillas1471 Před 2 lety

    Yessssss everything you doing is perfect

  • @pdbnc
    @pdbnc Před 2 lety

    Hell yeah run that obnoxious wing, love it. Also agree on the silver bumper cover, that Nismo piece just doesn't go visually. This is gonna be great!

  • @tylersanders6080
    @tylersanders6080 Před 2 lety

    For how many cars you guys pump out, I think a "Speed Academy Edition" is needed for each car customized. They all need to be a uniform color going forward👌🏻

  • @cruzmarquez1842
    @cruzmarquez1842 Před 2 lety

    It's about time!

  • @denshidirect3182
    @denshidirect3182 Před 2 lety +77

    The stock tail lamps are awesome and most aftermarket units cheapen the look of the S15. Also the tri-prop spoiler is very cool and makes the spec-R kit look complete. Highly recommend keeping the car looking OEM+.

    • @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163
      @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163 Před 7 měsíci

      I am going to start pulling out the seats out of the car Well that doesn’t make any difference I will Show you the NEWEST Car Nissan Silvia S15 SPEC R Coupe that I Choose for 2024 in The Next Year

    • @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163
      @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163 Před 7 měsíci

      And I will be Buying the Nissan Silvia S15 Spec R Coupe Brake Light Wing that I have buying at Dandenong Nissan

    • @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163
      @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163 Před 7 měsíci

      I am going to show you my newest colour car Nissan Silvia S15 Spec R Coupe

  • @enigma3474
    @enigma3474 Před 2 lety

    Looking forward to next eps !

  • @alexandrebergeron1260
    @alexandrebergeron1260 Před 2 lety

    Cool vid! Idk why but the back end reminds me of my dad's old 2001 Pontiac Grand am hahaha!

  • @Dibbs10101
    @Dibbs10101 Před 2 lety +5

    Heck of a deal you got. I say go bold and paint it Midnight Purple with black trim, wheels, intercooler, etc.

    • @juffurey
      @juffurey Před 2 lety +1

      Uh they're not trying to get on the cover of Super Street lol

  • @zacharyparis
    @zacharyparis Před 2 lety +7

    Inner tire wear is usually toe not camber. Love you guys and all the JDM goodness!!!

  • @stephenbouck
    @stephenbouck Před 2 lety +5

    Instead of the mesh look into getting a brake vent 3d printed i think that would make it look good and be practical

  • @TABRO284
    @TABRO284 Před 2 lety +1

    That is a good buy, so clean underneath.

  • @rexelmagbiray9971
    @rexelmagbiray9971 Před 2 lety

    cant wait for the next episode

  • @jitsu_japan
    @jitsu_japan Před 2 lety +1

    No love for the deliciously dated center wing stand? That’s what gives it its unique character 😊

  • @shiftdowntv4511
    @shiftdowntv4511 Před 2 lety

    Spec R kit is perfect 👌

  • @ChoPi-Eww
    @ChoPi-Eww Před 2 lety

    The first time you see a circumcision is definitely a surprise; actually doing one is on a different level. Had to learn how to use a Mogen, Gomco, and Plastibell long ago.

  • @bobbyrios2k223
    @bobbyrios2k223 Před 2 lety

    Love me some s15. Spec r bumper and oem rear lights is the way. This car is a beauty for a good price! Good find guys!

    • @coopsnz1
      @coopsnz1 Před 2 lety

      The not that cheap now

  • @VanderGroejn
    @VanderGroejn Před 2 lety

    Speed bump is a possibility.
    Thanks for the vids guys. Always a treat. Cheers 🍻👍
    Yeah, and by the way that wing is horrific. Think it will look its best with no wing at all. Sometimes we have to acknowledge that we're not 12 anymore.😁🥰

  • @taylordarr3
    @taylordarr3 Před 2 lety

    Never thought we would get circumcision talk on Speed Academy 😂

  • @DiegoHernandez-nx7vc
    @DiegoHernandez-nx7vc Před 2 lety

    I want these guys to do a full build on this Silvia so bad, on any car in general really

  • @zachariahgalindo494
    @zachariahgalindo494 Před 2 lety

    looking forward to this build

  • @cupotrout534
    @cupotrout534 Před 2 lety

    Love it and that's coming from someone who doesn't know anything about S15's. I am less a fan of silver, black or white. But I understand why sticking with silver is the way to go. Looking forward to this build.

  • @mathieularose7146
    @mathieularose7146 Před 2 lety

    I love the facts that you guys have literaly every jdm legend, one car miss the collection tho 😯 maybee its cuzz im an owner myself but the fairlady Z 300zx twin turbo veryy underated forr my personal opinion 😯😏

  • @timocallaghan4408
    @timocallaghan4408 Před 2 lety +2

    I would go pearlescent silver over a more gunmetal base, something that will make all the trimlines and sharp edges pop in the sun. The s15 has amazing bodylines that are dulled by flatter colours

  • @mtk4158
    @mtk4158 Před 2 lety

    About time 😃😃 im on my second petwer s15 but will be getting painted. Rare to even see an undertray on one. They all rust id say dry ice blast the underneath and bay.

  • @xxraverxxonxtacy
    @xxraverxxonxtacy Před 2 lety

    Looking forward to this Mona Lisa build 😌😎

  • @garnetheron4885
    @garnetheron4885 Před 2 lety

    I like your ideas

  • @Danielism
    @Danielism Před 2 lety +3

    Come on Pete you know you wanna do a full colour change. It's only three extra jambs. Do ittt

  • @headchef5680
    @headchef5680 Před 2 lety

    Mine looks the exact same but without the fog lights and sunroof! Awesome cars

  • @mndlessdrwer
    @mndlessdrwer Před rokem

    It's so hard not to like the S15. It's just got such an elegant and utterly timeless design and it's fantastic. The platform is also quite good for tuning. Such a shame that the US market never got them.

  • @evantowens
    @evantowens Před 2 lety +1

    Hey guys, yellow sticker shows the manual transmission oil was changed with GL-4 at 204,840 km on March 3rd, 2018. Also the PitWork sticker says long life coolant on it. Maybe it was changed with long life coolant on that day as well 30年 is Heisei era 30 which equals 2018 and 3月 is March. Hope this helps a little bit.

  • @officialTHREETWENTYdotcom

    OEM parts are the way to go! The factory Aero kit (it was not Spec R specific) is hard to beat and really adds a lot to the bare body. A subtle aftermarket lip on the standard front bumper would be spot-on to match the Aero - I use an Aero Workz piece and it flows very well with my OEM skirts and spats.

  • @samuellopez2509
    @samuellopez2509 Před 2 lety

    I work on the street that your shop is located. I see the Lexus all the time :) super cool

  • @toddxhiggins
    @toddxhiggins Před 2 lety +2

    Yeah not feeling that Nismo rear bumper. OEM with the spec r spats is the way to go like you said pete

  • @sped-gx3ux
    @sped-gx3ux Před 3 měsíci

    I’ve been wanting a s15 since forever

  • @y.b.-
    @y.b.- Před 2 lety +11

    I personally would run the Nismo rear bumper but drop that wing....but as I said before, looks are very personal.
    Interested in what wheels you're going to run on it .....
    I think this one would be a good choice for an RB25Neo when the SR craps the bed

  • @Comfy_Snorlax
    @Comfy_Snorlax Před 2 lety +1

    I like the stock sleeper look tbh

  • @jasontoth7965
    @jasontoth7965 Před 2 lety

    I dig the wing!

  • @HarryOnCars
    @HarryOnCars Před 2 lety +1

    Audi Nardo Grey color would look amazing ❤️

  • @MatteoVittoni
    @MatteoVittoni Před 2 lety +3

    MILLENIUM JADE!!!!!! IS IT EVEN A QUESTION?

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider Před 2 lety

    Simply lovely Nissan!

  • @khronoh8577
    @khronoh8577 Před 2 lety

    I honestly think that OEM silver on it looks really well especially with a pair of dark grey or black wheels! So in my option I’d get a respray of the oem colour tbh!

  • @lewisfoster4584
    @lewisfoster4584 Před 2 lety +1

    Blue is the best colour for a Silvia 👌🏻

  • @CreativeCrayonJMR
    @CreativeCrayonJMR Před 2 lety +1

    Paint it millennium jade! Close to a shade of silver but wayyy better

  • @flaS2k
    @flaS2k Před 2 lety

    Brilliant Silver with a blue flake in the clear.

  • @djstizl
    @djstizl Před 2 lety

    The Nismo bumper looks decent in my opinion, plus you already own it. I agree with painting the car a Skyline silver color, perhaps a three stage paint, if that's an option. Also, you could ask your painter to shoot an extra coat of clear for visual depth.

  • @Tomatokillz
    @Tomatokillz Před 2 lety

    I own a silver 99' SSS n15 Pulsar that was repainted but the previous owner actually added some blue flake into it... I was definitely happy with that idea, maybe an idea for this s15. Would love to have this thing, what a steal man. super jelly.

  • @SuperSkillzSlick
    @SuperSkillzSlick Před 2 lety

    What a steal.. big fan of the s15

  • @nikothecrazygreek
    @nikothecrazygreek Před 2 lety +4

    I love s15’s
    Waiting for us legality and not $100k😂

  • @battyboomfatty
    @battyboomfatty Před 2 lety

    You're so right about the spoiler, the 3rd leg and high level brake light looks soooooo goofy on the standard Spec R Spoiler.

  • @dannyreed7600
    @dannyreed7600 Před 2 lety

    Cars engine is good -we did a drag race and everything seemed to be fine (love you guys lmfao)

  • @jamning4677
    @jamning4677 Před 2 lety

    Really don't understand the online young generation kids hating on rear wings. It just looks atrocious without them, especially on the S15. That was the first thing I did on my S15 after importing it last year, bolting on an OEM-style Aero wing like yours. For the taillights + headlights I went for the 78 works, they totally transform the look with it's sequential indicators and DRL's. Will be following this build as I'm also contemplating on getting a respray!

    • @speedacademy
      @speedacademy  Před 2 lety +1

      Will have a look at the 78 works stuff thanks!

  • @lleesmaa
    @lleesmaa Před 2 lety

    Oem rear bumper spatless is the best. Looks proper and doesn't cost more. Have mine original aero but removed the spats. So good now

  • @mitch1668
    @mitch1668 Před 2 lety

    Speed Academy = JDM Gods

  • @Felix_A_
    @Felix_A_ Před 2 lety +1

    Tochigi is also where the Z/GT-R factory is located. I’m not sure if they also built the S chassis but I know they are where the Z and GT-R are manufactured.

  • @Ducatista189
    @Ducatista189 Před 2 lety

    It would be so much fun to see you do a Mona Lisa recreation. Nobody does that.

  • @BWTECH0521
    @BWTECH0521 Před 2 lety

    can't stop looking at the E34 in the back...

  • @02lucy666
    @02lucy666 Před 2 lety +27

    Just FYI: there are also Foglight surrounds to re-house the factory foglights for the spec R frontbumper, might be able to source them out and will look much cleaner than the mesh!
    EDIT: Gunmetal Grey
    EDIT2: those are either DMAX crystal taillights or ebay specials, also, might wanna get a trunk with the holes pre-drilled before drilling into a wingless boot

  • @uisperfectemail9720
    @uisperfectemail9720 Před 2 lety

    Most beautiful Nissan design ever, Tell me I’m wrong. Looks like a Ferrari 456, Aston DB7 and a 90’s era BMW 8 series all had a baby!

  • @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163
    @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163 Před 8 měsíci

    Fantastically I just liked them and they weren’t bad inside the Car Nissan Silvia S15 Spec R Coupe with the brake light wing on the back of the car

  • @lw1878
    @lw1878 Před 2 lety

    I'm so used to only seeing S15s with over fenders from the internet, that I forgot what a stock narrow body looks like.

  • @FeqlsMa
    @FeqlsMa Před 2 lety

    Mohel on the weekends… absolutely brilliant. I stay for the jokes.

  • @sonnydhawan1269
    @sonnydhawan1269 Před 2 lety +1

    The yellow sticker was for transmission fluid, and the red Pit Work sticker says "Long life coolant"

  • @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163
    @andysmetrotrainvlogs8163 Před 3 měsíci +1

    That Newest Nissan Silvia S15 Spec R is Coming Andy there’s more to coming Out on 2024 on market

  • @happyjoy7459
    @happyjoy7459 Před 2 lety

    Keep it silver! I know it can be boring but man it’s such a clean color to have

  • @DirtyTriniDog
    @DirtyTriniDog Před 2 lety

    The yellow on the lift is a good color.

  • @jamest5149
    @jamest5149 Před 2 lety +1

    The tyre wear isn’t camber wear, it’s excessive toe scrubbing the inside of the tyres. 👍

  • @pFbSpecV
    @pFbSpecV Před rokem

    Do not paint it yellow lol silver would be awesome tho! You guys are living the dream life!

  • @nlmobiledetailing8597
    @nlmobiledetailing8597 Před 2 lety

    red supra mad crazy....FIRE

  • @fataxe1
    @fataxe1 Před 2 lety

    Silver and black two tone. Similar to the shiro special on the 300zx.
    I like vintage styling on these cars and two tones are the long forgotten cool factor up until the 80s. And you can always do the two tone as a wrap so if you don't like it you can remove it.
    The rear bumper isn't as agressive as the front. But it could work.

  • @shanekumar3403
    @shanekumar3403 Před 2 lety

    Have a look at yashio factory rail light, i think that look awesome

  • @firlyafianto6820
    @firlyafianto6820 Před 2 lety +1

    Millenium Jade is very good paint with Volks Rays CE28 Bronze Wheels 👍

  • @michaelallen2501
    @michaelallen2501 Před 2 lety

    Man I really dig the Spec R S15. Right up there with the Type X S13 for looks. Also the only S-chassis I'd feel guilty about engine swapping. Just a mild build on the SR20 would be tits. Like 350rwhp.
    Might've had a set of wheels stolen at some point. Those types love to set the pinch weld down on bricks when they're done to get their jack back out.
    My only wish is that you guys had more time and budget and interest in domestics lol. The internet/world could use some tasteful OEM+ builds on some Mustangs and Camaros and Corvettes. Your Mustang project was cool, but you need to revisit the later version of that chassis with the 5.0 Coyote. My uncle has a 4.6 3V and it doesn't respond well to anything besides boost. Unlike an LS and a Coyote. Gains can be had for a reasonable price with those engines. And like boost even more lol.