#retroblasting #hasbro #magicthegathering Support us on PATREON: / retroblasting Hasbro is now sending Pinkerton thugs to customers' houses. When will this crap stop?
A friend wrote this: "Funny enough: a British company, Games Workshop, recently had an accidental premature release of a model (someone showed off the model with their own paint scheme). Instead of sending a company like the Pinkertons, Games Workshop publicly gave a thumbs up on the person's paint job, sent copies of the new model to some other folks, and sent a press release admitting their shipping teams made a mistake and went ahead and announced the new model to the world!"
Yet for every good will Games Workshop did, I am reminded of what they did to animators in favor of Warhammer Plus and I realize. This is just a PR stunt.
Sending hired agents to intimidate and threaten a paying customer is next level slime and villainy. I stopped buying Hasbro products quite some time ago, but this cements it into a permanent ban. What a horrible, awful company.
I can't imagine a Pinkerton, or any other private security organization showing up and trying to tell me they're going to enter my home and take something out of it that I had bought and paid for. They're very fortunate that this person was amicable. It could have been a very different headline.
That's what I'm saying. At a minimum I'd be laughing in their face and shutting the door. They catch the wrong person at the wrong time, especially if they try and force enter.
I think it's weird we're going through a phase where companies are constantly attacking their customers. It wasn't that long ago when companies would bend over backwards to try and appease everyone, even if the customer were in the wrong.
Actually it is not surprising at all from companies that have been secretly bought out by the Chinese communist party through investment bankers like black rock. Black rock recently took over management of Hasbro and black rock is known for using terrorist threats against its customers and employees……this is typical behavior for them.
Hello from the Transformers fandom. Did you know that EVERY new transformers toy is stolen from Hasbro’s Asian manufacturing plants and leaked online months before Hasbro announces them… and Hasbro does absolutely nothing about it?
My mom use to work with victims of domestic violence. And often, many of those victims would justify the abuse with statements such as "Deep down, I know he loves me.", and "It was my fault because..." etc. She would always pose this question, and I never forgot the principle, "If this is how he treats you, and you say he loves and cares about you, then please: Tell me how he would treat you....if he hated you! If the answer to that question resembles ANYTHING like the abuse you are enduring right now, that is an abusive relationship.... on the most dangerous level!" So with these companies treating the customers like dirt with defective products, gaslighting their own customers/fanbases, etc. Again, to paraphrase 'If this is how they treat the customers, who they claim to love, then I would hate to see how they would act if they despised their customers!' Oh wait...we don't have to wonder.
I have left this company behind and wondered how long it would take others. Thank you for putting a voice to how so many of us feel. I hope that companies like Valaverse can find and keep their footing so our hobbies don't end up with a choice of two companies that couldn't care less for us.
Jesus Christ I can't believe people would still defend a company after they hire investigators to harass a customer. It's not the customers fault AT ALL that Hasbro/Mattel fouled up on their end. No company has any right to do this for any reason let alone to cover up THEIR OWN shitty mistakes. To hell with these companies.. they're disgusting.
Jack boot thugs sent by Hasbro to a CZcamsrs home to threaten and intimidate. UNREAL. What if that CZcamsr had decided to use his second amendment rights? What if he defended his home? Dead pinkertons? Dead CZcamsr? All because of Hasbro and some trading cards. This whole situation is MIND BLOWING
By that point, I would be like "F@ck it, lets go to court." The PR would hurt them more and help boost the CZcamsr's channel, plus if he can prove he bought the items legitimately, it would support his case. If this became mainstream news, there is no way they would want people to know they are sending goons to customers houses for a mistake they made.
@@DerekEvans1013you can't be serious They made the mistake, THEY are the ones at fault, the dude's only sin was buying a product and getting the wrong thing in the mail If you honestly think this is redeemable, you're rotten
I'd like to think that Mattel and Hasbro were once respectable companies, especially during the 70s when I was growing up. When you eliminate the competition, you become arrogant and less caring because they know people are still going to buy their garbage. I used to love getting Hot Wheels and Matchbox Superfast cars in the 70s because of the variety of models, of fantasy and real life. Now that Mattel has their claws on Matchbox, the magic, no pun intended, is gone. Thank goodness for eBay. Good work guys. Keep producing trash. On the positive side, another excellent video sir.
yep this is the same issue Disney / Lucasfilm is dealing now with Star Wars. They were ssoooo arrogant they didn't care what they pushed out and now it's finally bit them in their a$$e$ which is what we need to do with these 2 companies Hasbro & Mattel. It's time they felt the pain of not making a profit. Though my only fear is that they would eventually just merge to become MatBro or HasTel and that thought is even scarier!
@@TheFroneyZone When companies become effective monopolies like Hasbro/Mattel and Disney have become, they get bloated and complacent, they employ diversity hires with no real competence and produce mundane, mediocre, inspiration-free crap that people eventually abandon.
Thanks for making this video. If a Pinkerton agent showed up at my house claiming to represent Hasbro and ask for some Magic cards I paid for, I don’t know if I’d laugh at them first or tell the to GTFO my lawn… 😂😅😂
" It’s possible, they say, that someone, somewhere in the distribution chain accidentally mistook March of the Machine product for March of the Machine: The Aftermath product." This is insane.
Personally I would like to see a video of you meticulously going over everything that is horribly wrong with that Indy figure, it’s just so dissatisfying. I’m genuinely intrigued by your opinions on it
I was a college D&D enthusiast when Magic: The Gathering was new. Fortunately, I got out of it early and even sold off a few cards at profit. But I could see the writing on the wall that Wizards of the Coast was going to eclipse TSR Hobbies and likely absorb D&D. Presently, as a published historian who has studied labor events, I can tell you that the Pinkertons (and WOTC) have greatly overstepped their bounds. Since the bad old days, there have been laws emplaced to keep private investigators from operating like police officers. Also, the persons affected by this incident have the right to sue because the 4th Amendment protects Americans from "unreasonable searches under the law." This definitely qualifies as unreasonable because a) there was no crime committed by the consumer b) there was no search warrant and c) therefore no police sanction for this ill-advised operation. Even though the guy and his wife don't want to pursue this case, I guarantee that lawyers would jump at a chance to represent them on principle. Keep the faith, Michael!
You’ve no doubt noticed that selective enforcement of the law correlates to the breakdown of societies. The animosity towards the Bill of Rights is at an all time high and the merger between state and corporate powers is dreadfully advanced. The large publicly traded corporations have been emboldened to act like governments. The pinkertons can burn in Hell along with the zombified corpse that was Kenner/Hasbro; NEVER giving a penny to the latter again.
Reminds me of how my friend who owns an independent card game company got harassed and intimidated for over a year into giving up his trademark for a specific word so hasbro could use it for wizards of the coast. Made him almost kill himself. I remember actually talking to Michael about this at a toy convention in South Carolina and he got pretty pissed about it. Hope you remember me, Michael!
The biggest lesson I’ve learned over the years regarding companies is that sometimes the companies we grew up loving no longer exist in our adulthood. The fantastic people who worked there back then, who made those companies and their products great, are gone. These companies are just empty husks of their former selves. It’s really shown with Hasbro since Goldner passed away and all those employees got laid off.
I ordered this figure last year on Amazon, apparently on the day of release I got a spam email from them saying that it was cancelled even after I ordered it on the day it went up,but instead of getting upset I genuinely thought Hasbro didnt get my money at least.
More proof of how out of touch companies are. Companies are definitely not our friends, nor do they care about the fandom. We consumers should band together and send a message, but I’m starting to think collecting is a mental illness that we collectors have.
They want to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Those are people who pay no attention to this stuff, have no past investment in the product, and only care about jumping on the current trend. They do not care about the actual fans. I mean, hell, the same people who made fun of us nerds when we were kids are now wearing Star Wars and D&D shirts. Look how bland media is now; Star Trek and Star Wars are almost indistinguishable from each other, which was NEVER the case before. But, appeal to that common denominator to make them bucks....
3 words: class action lawsuit....no one threatens me in my own home without proper search and siezure warrant from a federal judge. I beg them to come to my house and try that....I guarantee they won't leave happy as I will be defending myself from being threatened.
This is crazy. I think it’s funny, and funny in the same way as you said in your previous video, “laughing, trying not to cry”, yourself and a few other channels have been saying this has been abuse and bullying the collector and people called you crazy, but you were right the whole time
The funniest part is that Hasbro SENT THE GUY THE CARDS. Somebody mistook the two names in the warehouse or fulfillment center and sent it to him. Hasbro is sending Pinkertons after people because of THEIR mistakes!
I mean. Why did they cooperate? They’re not law enforcement. I would have laughed, and shut the door. ESPECIALLY if they were items I paid my hard earned money for. I’m not buying they’re stuff anymore. That’s CRAZY.
Thanks for calling these scumbags out,Retro. You’re absolutely 100% correct about how wrong it is for them to send armed “investigators” goons to someones home. It’s criminal, they’re distribution is at fault and the costumer got attacked.
Here's a challenge I did for myself...what if I sold it all? All my legends, transformers, Rangers, Multiverse, DCUC, and everything else not 3rd party/independent. I ended up with tables and shelves of the BEST collectibles money can buy. People my advice is just let go, you deserve better. Thank you for your views and point of view, I hope this pushes some over the edge too.
I actually love this idea and did a version of it a few years ago when I had gotten tired of Hasbro and Mattel's shit back then. No more of that mass produced garbage will ever stain my collection again. Nothing but third party/independent stuff (mainly Mythic Legions) from now on. And if any of those companies choose to show their ass as well, their shit will leave my collection too. I have what a lot of collectors don't...self respect.
A little crazy that hasbro needs kickstarters to ship out things people actually want, struggles to supply stores with their products, and will do anything they can to save a buck or two when making products for us to buy. But apparently they got the money in the budget not to increase the quality of their products, but to send a mercenary group to a persons home because of THEIR mistake.
As a DnD player, Hasboro looks at their customers as walking wallet. They feel they are entitled to your cash at that. Completely have have lost any value for their customers.
As they say: "Stop giving your money to people who hate you." Toys, cards, comics, movies etc. They have all become irreversibly corporatized. It's time to let them fall. Support Independents with your money. Put forward for the future, for the next generation. #YourHeroesAreDead
That youtuber need to file a lawsuit against Hasbro you need a warrant to search a person house no one and i mean no one search my house or anybody home with out a search warrant we have rights nobody give your rights to no one nor to crooked cops , the government much less a bad company like Hasbro
When both companies started using the soft rubbery plastic on their 3.34 and 6 inch figures, which has been several years ago. I stopped buying newer toys.
I can’t stress enough that this is why customers needs to hold these companies/corporations accountable for every crappy immoral thing that they do. If not, then you’ll get more situations like this, which is disgusting and a sure fire way of damaging their trust & reputation. We cannot continue to allow the retail market to turn into the wild west with Hasbro and ms y others basically turning into Buford “Mad Dog” Tannen.
This is disgusting. I can tell you exactly how it happened. The set he was supposed to get was "Magic the Gathering: March of the Machines," and the set they sent him was "Magic the Gathering: March of the Machines: Aftermath," and they're scheduled for release one month apart. But the galaxy brains at Hasbro/WOTC never imagined a scenario where two products, with almost the exact same name, being supplied to distributors at roughly the same time, would get mixed up.
This happened in the United States where the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution? Why didn't he just produce a firearm and politely ask the Pinkertons to leave while calling local law enforcement
Thank you, I’ll be unfollowing any channel that doesn’t come out against this crap. I appreciate you and the 3POA crew as you guys seem to be the only ones who call this crap out.
Michael I hope this video goes viral. The community should know the details and not just hand wave this away. I don't expect Marvel and Star Wars fans to boycott the crack they need but maybe they could buy less figures.
I really wish I had bought some Magic cards and these guys showed up threatening to try to send me to jail. I would have had a field day and hoped they tried robbing me as that would have made a good lawsuit.
This is a really frightening precedent for Hasbro to set. There are children toy reviewers on CZcams. Is Hasbro seriously going to send mercenaries to a child's home just because they received a new iteration of Optimus Prime a week before street date?
I got mockingly laughed at recently on a post for saying Hasbro was doing more and more of late to make us despise them, but there will inevitably always be shills with willing blinders. No matter what walk of life I choose to maintain personal standards and what I throw my money at, and while I can't always control giving money to things I find lacking, I don't have to give a dime to these people if I really, really don't want to. Someday they'll have to contend with that reality the more people feel like us about it.
Dealt with this co-dependent BS with Mattel in 2011. Walked away when Mattel Tried to attach an emotional hose to me with DCUC, and I got no problem walking away from Marvel Legends and GIJOE Classified. Sending private investigators to a person's home over toys is just WRONG. If someone PAID for these cards they are theirs to OWN. If Hasbro wants to find out what happened with these cards then they need to investigate which one of THEIR employees LEAKED the merchandise before the release date. Yeah, I'm DONE with Hasbro. Put up with a lot of crap from them. Like repaints, ridiculous price hikes, more repaints, and declining QC, but this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. If Hasbro can't show customers like us respect, then I need to stop spending my money with them.
Having looked at various articles on this subject, it looks as though Pinkerton clearly exceeded the limits of the law and the party in question should immediately consult an attorney and/or file criminal and civil charges against the agency and Hasbro. Conversely, the aforesaid should be prepared to explain how he obtained materials as yet unreleased prompting this excessive action.
Hasbro sending in famed union busters The Pinkertons to stop a fan having cards early is like the wildest story to read this week. We need to stop bringing back the worst elements of the 1920s in a fit of nostalgia :p
He ordered March of the Machines, they sent him March of the Machines: Aftermath, a supplemental set releasing less than a month after the first one. A distributor making that mistake was all but guaranteed to happen. Hasbro straight up robbed the guy and had NO legal grounds for what they did. He should sue both the Pinkertons and Hasbro and I will never being giving Hasbro another dime. This was eternally the last straw. They can burn and I'll bring the marshmallows.
I was a toy collector for a long time. Never a serious, collector mind you; I was more of a "collecting certain things I liked" kind of collector. Anyway, about 2 years ago, I had to sell roughly 93% - 95% of my collection just to make ends meet, but I kept my favorites; primarily my childhood TMNT figures from the 80's and 90s (I know how Michael feels about the Playmates Party Wagon, but don't worry, I forgive him!). Well, to tell the truth, the experience wasn't as sad as I thought it would be. Rather, it was kind of liberating. It's a hard feeling to describe, but at that moment I kind of remembered why I got into this hobby in the first place. It isn't about how expensive the toy is, or how rare, or articulated, or detailed it is. It's not about any of that nonsense. It's about those Saturday mornings in front of a TV with a spoonful of your favorite cereal in one hand, and your favorite action figure in the other, even if it was missing all of its accessories. It's about the adventures your toys took YOU on, no matter how wild or "non-cannon" those journeys were. It's about the power of imagination, and using everything from the mud-puddle in the backyard, to a simple cardboard box as a play-set, because Santa couldn't fit the real thing in his bag. It's about believing you can use the Force, Transform, have the Power, or even be Cool but Rude, and manage to defeat the most evil villains in the universe. But most importantly of all, it's about Fun. I'm sharing this because I feel that many collectors need to be reminded that this hobby is not about blind loyalty to a big company. It's about something much more important. Something pure and innocent. A feeling that no one can take from you. The simple joy of a favorite childhood toy.
Sounds like the Pinkerton agents violated that CZcamsr’s constitutional rights and human rights. That CZcamsr should hire a experienced lawyer and sue them and Hasbro (both companies are secretly working for the Chinese government) (both companies do business in China with the CCP) sounds like that CZcamsr deserves financial compensation for inflicted damage physical and psychological and emotional harm…..that should be a several hundred billion euros lawsuit.
Unfortunately ... No corporation is ever anyone's friend. And if you look at companies as individual people psychologically, research has shown them to be sociopaths. Though, while I know that about every company in the U.S., I had no idea Hasbro was THIS bad.
I was thinking the same thing. If they come to my DOOR, I'd be in my house talking to them with my Ruger in hand. That would change the tone of the conversation really damn quick. "Oh really? You think I broke the law? Well I've already called the police; they're on their way. Only question now is 'Will you still be standing when they arrive?' That's up to you..."
Same. Our local law enforcement here in rural Texas is absolutely 2A. When it comes to home defense, the comment, "Well, there is only one side of the story when there is only one side remaining" holds true. Roaches check in, but they don't check out.
Large corporations using private security to intimidate innocent citizens should be met with serious consequences. Wizards higher ups deserve to be treated the same as foreign insurgents on domestic soil.
Hasbro is unrecognizable as the company I enjoyed in the 80’s, 90’s, even into the early 2000s. They now produce a worse product at higher price with less imagination than pretty much all other manufacturers while caring nothing for the fans and collectors.
If this is true the CZcamsr can tell them to piss off they are not law enforcement and have no power to arrest or detain anyone they also don’t have the power to serve warrants or seize anything. I’m in law enforcement and the CZcamsr needs to file charges on them for criminal trespass and terroristic threats.
i walked away from wotc years ago when i felt Magic was going the way of 90s sports cards. i dont miss it i returned to my live of collecting videogames and playing other older tabletop games.
The thing is….. since toys and collectibles are actually not required for life, you can actually boycott the companies. If it was Pepsi for instance, they make so many products it would be extremely difficult to do so. I swore off Hasbro and Mattel about a year ago and haven’t looked back.
It feels very illegal what Hasbro did and I kinda wonder if they are being so kind after the fact because it was potentially illegal. Sadly I dont think the customer would press charges if it were since he seems to forgive them for whatever reason.
@@retroblasting I agree. I think they should give them cash. Cold hard cash. Like 100k. First they knock in the door and accuse them of things. Knock on neighbors door to gather intel. Not cool. At the same time they didn’t rough them up. Monetary compensation is due and a public apology.
I don't think law enforcement's going to look into them either, mostly because if they did, this wouldn't have happened in the first place. It feels like all sides of the incident outside of the vendor are at fault here: Hasbro for hiring thugs, the victim for not demanding more from the company, and the law for letting it happen through inactivity on their part. Everyone should be ashamed of their actions, but we know they won't. Hasbro because they've pulled this shit before, and will until consumers boycott them; the victim because he's too cowardly; and the law because, all jokes aside, they truly are incompetent when it comes to actually dealing with ACTUAL crimes.
@@Newsystuffs One would hope that the police would side with the CZcamsr in this situation, but historically, the police will be on the side of groups like the Pinkertons.
@@Colt31389 Pinkertons is a big, well-established company in terms of private investigation. They generally know what they are and are not legally entitled to do in a given situation/jurisdiction. That's not to say they never would act outside of those parameters and they certainly will be as heavy-handed as they can be in order to get their job done, but their business model relies on operating within the bounds of the law.
Funny fact about Mattel and it poor plastic quality is when the M-16 assault rifle began to be issued to the U.S. troops there was a running joke in the army about the poor material choice that the M-16 was made from and it was nowhere near as reliable as it was supposed to be "that you can tell its mattel"
This is disgusting behaviour by Hasbro, they make a mistake of shipping unreleased product, send thugs to intimidate someone who purchased the product, steal it and then have the audacity of saying they will offer 'a bit' of a refund? They should be ashamed.
This incident is insane. There is real world conflicts going on in the world and Hasbro are worried about trading cards. I get protecting their intellectual property but this is up there with the worst way to go about it. Either give the guy free product or brush it off like Michael said. Most other ways would generate good publicity.
I'm so glad that I haven't given WotC a penny of my money, and I never will. I'm happy playing 2nd Edition AD&D that I bought when TSR was still around.
Back when I was a kid playing with my transformers, id have never thought id hate that compnay and that they would become...whatever the hell corporate evil they've become, thanks for bringing this to light and on happier note..the "they went full Streets of Rage" line had me rolling. 😂
I agree Michael, that’s why I walked away from collecting all together. Since last summer Ive actually started selling stuff off. I mean yeah I’ll keep some stuff, but this hobby has become why too toxic.
They dont have money to pay people to do proper quality control on their products, but they sure seem to have it to pay hired thugs to threaten their customers. 🙄 These "big"brands are dead to me.
This news really is sickening. I really hope every customer of Hasbro knows of this incident and show Hasbro how important customers are and how they should be treated.
I know we've argued in the past in the comments section of other videos, but I am so glad you are talking about this. Thank you for bringing this to the action figure community when nobody else seems to care about it or be talking about it. I've drawn my line in the sand with Hasbro as well over this event, and it feels good to finally not be alone in my commitment.
Why didn't they show up with a case of right product, an apology, and top of that, a promise for a whole case of what accidently got shopped to him on the street date for him to give a big review on? It would have cost them nothing. It's just printed cardboard. The cost of goons, loss of customers, bad PR, and a potential lawsuit wasn't worth it. Who's in charge up their. I hope he and his family sues them for being terrorized and extorted. Hasbro was threatening to sue him and took valuables that they didn't own from him. It was there screw up. That's big business, trample the little guy to make a buck for greed. This is the real life game of Hasbro-opoly.
A friend wrote this: "Funny enough: a British company, Games Workshop, recently had an accidental premature release of a model (someone showed off the model with their own paint scheme). Instead of sending a company like the Pinkertons, Games Workshop publicly gave a thumbs up on the person's paint job, sent copies of the new model to some other folks, and sent a press release admitting their shipping teams made a mistake and went ahead and announced the new model to the world!"
Classy. That is the right move. 👍
@@UnknownJorge fair enough thanks for the additional context and information
Yet for every good will Games Workshop did, I am reminded of what they did to animators in favor of Warhammer Plus and I realize. This is just a PR stunt.
It's nice, but normally they're the total opposite of this behaviour. I'd say GW might be worse than Hasbro.
Games workshop my brothers and I love their Warhammer 500,000
Sending hired agents to intimidate and threaten a paying customer is next level slime and villainy. I stopped buying Hasbro products quite some time ago, but this cements it into a permanent ban. What a horrible, awful company.
"The company that brought you G.I. Joe and Transformers now presents: The Lawsuit Lawyer! With Backstabbing Action!"
I can't imagine a Pinkerton, or any other private security organization showing up and trying to tell me they're going to enter my home and take something out of it that I had bought and paid for. They're very fortunate that this person was amicable. It could have been a very different headline.
With good reason ;)
That's what I'm saying. At a minimum I'd be laughing in their face and shutting the door. They catch the wrong person at the wrong time, especially if they try and force enter.
I’ll have Fortunate Son playing on my loud speaker.
Hasbro: Where Fans come… to the front door to meet our private investigators
Hasbro: “ call the Pinkertons a major crime has been committed “.
Hasbro doesn't care about their customers and shame on those who defend this corporation. You are the problem. Another great video Michael. 👍
I think it's weird we're going through a phase where companies are constantly attacking their customers. It wasn't that long ago when companies would bend over backwards to try and appease everyone, even if the customer were in the wrong.
Actually it is not surprising at all from companies that have been secretly bought out by the Chinese communist party through investment bankers like black rock. Black rock recently took over management of Hasbro and black rock is known for using terrorist threats against its customers and employees……this is typical behavior for them.
Just bought the yellow power ranger from Hasbro. Shame on me. I hope you real fans and real collectors can forgive me. 🙏
They are shitty but they have some of my fave brands (Nerf, Transformers) how do I get around that?
Send those thugs to my place, I will happily feed them to the lions, if they break into my property. No, really.
Every time I think Hasbro can't get worse, they become exponentially more evil.
They have already surpassed Electronic Arts and Activision as the most evil company to ever exist.
Wizards OGL fiasco was really bad, trying to shakedown the entire community, but IRL physical intimidation is on a totally different level.
@@TheBatman39 the only companies left that are miles more evil are Nestle and Nintendo
Well you’ll never find a Wretched hive of scum and villainy we must be cautious as master Obi-Wan Kenobi said❤😅🤘🤘
@@mr.slightlymad4496 that reason why I lost my faith in capitalism it's because of evil Company
Hello from the Transformers fandom. Did you know that EVERY new transformers toy is stolen from Hasbro’s Asian manufacturing plants and leaked online months before Hasbro announces them… and Hasbro does absolutely nothing about it?
My mom use to work with victims of domestic violence. And often, many of those victims would justify the abuse with statements such as "Deep down, I know he loves me.", and "It was my fault because..." etc. She would always pose this question, and I never forgot the principle, "If this is how he treats you, and you say he loves and cares about you, then please: Tell me how he would treat you....if he hated you! If the answer to that question resembles ANYTHING like the abuse you are enduring right now, that is an abusive relationship.... on the most dangerous level!" So with these companies treating the customers like dirt with defective products, gaslighting their own customers/fanbases, etc. Again, to paraphrase 'If this is how they treat the customers, who they claim to love, then I would hate to see how they would act if they despised their customers!' Oh wait...we don't have to wonder.
I have left this company behind and wondered how long it would take others. Thank you for putting a voice to how so many of us feel. I hope that companies like Valaverse can find and keep their footing so our hobbies don't end up with a choice of two companies that couldn't care less for us.
Jesus Christ I can't believe people would still defend a company after they hire investigators to harass a customer. It's not the customers fault AT ALL that Hasbro/Mattel fouled up on their end. No company has any right to do this for any reason let alone to cover up THEIR OWN shitty mistakes. To hell with these companies.. they're disgusting.
Jack boot thugs sent by Hasbro to a CZcamsrs home to threaten and intimidate. UNREAL. What if that CZcamsr had decided to use his second amendment rights? What if he defended his home? Dead pinkertons? Dead CZcamsr? All because of Hasbro and some trading cards.
This whole situation is MIND BLOWING
Yup, my wife was like, "If they did that to us and threatened me in my house, I WOULD be getting my gun." That's my girl.
@@JosephDickersonUX. Yeah, why did they even do that?
That very well could have happened. It’s wild.
@@budkin. Like the West itself man.🤠
Yeah it’s a degree removed from swatting really.
By that point, I would be like "F@ck it, lets go to court." The PR would hurt them more and help boost the CZcamsr's channel, plus if he can prove he bought the items legitimately, it would support his case. If this became mainstream news, there is no way they would want people to know they are sending goons to customers houses for a mistake they made.
considering the pinkertons cant get a warrant id just laugh at them and say f off....he let them in?? hes a moron.
Dude bought merch that had yet to be released. Hasbro is right in this situation
You would be dead before getting any further lol , I watch the matrix lol they know how to shut you up lol
@@DerekEvans1013you can't be serious
They made the mistake, THEY are the ones at fault, the dude's only sin was buying a product and getting the wrong thing in the mail
If you honestly think this is redeemable, you're rotten
When I was a kid the Kenner Star Wars toys I got had a little card inside that said "We Really Do Care". Man, how times have changed. What thugs.
These giant corporations are NOT our friends, but you have been shouting this loud and clear for years sir.
I don't know what's sadder - the shocking behaviour towards people or that I'm not suprised they are capable of this
I'd like to think that Mattel and Hasbro were once respectable companies, especially during the 70s when I was growing up. When you eliminate the competition, you become arrogant and less caring because they know people are still going to buy their garbage. I used to love getting Hot Wheels and Matchbox Superfast cars in the 70s because of the variety of models, of fantasy and real life. Now that Mattel has their claws on Matchbox, the magic, no pun intended, is gone. Thank goodness for eBay. Good work guys. Keep producing trash. On the positive side, another excellent video sir.
yep this is the same issue Disney / Lucasfilm is dealing now with Star Wars. They were ssoooo arrogant they didn't care what they pushed out and now it's finally bit them in their a$$e$ which is what we need to do with these 2 companies Hasbro & Mattel. It's time they felt the pain of not making a profit. Though my only fear is that they would eventually just merge to become MatBro or HasTel and that thought is even scarier!
@@TheFroneyZone When companies become effective monopolies like Hasbro/Mattel and Disney have become, they get bloated and complacent, they employ diversity hires with no real competence and produce mundane, mediocre, inspiration-free crap that people eventually abandon.
Read the book "Toy Monster". Mattel done some low down shit over the years.
Thanks for making this video. If a Pinkerton agent showed up at my house claiming to represent Hasbro and ask for some Magic cards I paid for, I don’t know if I’d laugh at them first or tell the to GTFO my lawn… 😂😅😂
I think that I would simply open the door........and let my dog out. LOL!! He'd love a Pinkerton agent for lunch.
"You're not the police or the post office and I didn't invite your asses, so fuck off."
@@neoblakkrstal9865 they'd shoot your dog...
This shit is the reason I don't open my fucking door.
@@joemacafee7655 That would get them shot.
" It’s possible, they say, that someone, somewhere in the distribution chain accidentally mistook March of the Machine product for March of the Machine: The Aftermath product." This is insane.
Personally I would like to see a video of you meticulously going over everything that is horribly wrong with that Indy figure, it’s just so dissatisfying. I’m genuinely intrigued by your opinions on it
Hell if it's just 20 minutes of Michael listing off inaccuracies/faults of the figure I'd watch it twice.
@@ArtIsMySin19 exactly I love those kinds of vids lol
Showing up at somebody's house trying to rob them is a good way to get yourself hurt.
I was a college D&D enthusiast when Magic: The Gathering was new. Fortunately, I got out of it early and even sold off a few cards at profit. But I could see the writing on the wall that Wizards of the Coast was going to eclipse TSR Hobbies and likely absorb D&D. Presently, as a published historian who has studied labor events, I can tell you that the Pinkertons (and WOTC) have greatly overstepped their bounds. Since the bad old days, there have been laws emplaced to keep private investigators from operating like police officers. Also, the persons affected by this incident have the right to sue because the 4th Amendment protects Americans from "unreasonable searches under the law." This definitely qualifies as unreasonable because a) there was no crime committed by the consumer b) there was no search warrant and c) therefore no police sanction for this ill-advised operation. Even though the guy and his wife don't want to pursue this case, I guarantee that lawyers would jump at a chance to represent them on principle. Keep the faith, Michael!
You’ve no doubt noticed that selective enforcement of the law correlates to the breakdown of societies. The animosity towards the Bill of Rights is at an all time high and the merger between state and corporate powers is dreadfully advanced. The large publicly traded corporations have been emboldened to act like governments. The pinkertons can burn in Hell along with the zombified corpse that was Kenner/Hasbro; NEVER giving a penny to the latter again.
“You are not welcome here. You are trespassing. Leave my property immediately” close door.
Thank you Michael for this video. You are a good person and you care, with the heart on the right place.
Hi Michael hi lara. You’ve done a lot to help me not defend companies any more. Wow hasbro, hired goons? Was snidely whiplash busy?
Usually capitalists just send the police.
Reminds me of how my friend who owns an independent card game company got harassed and intimidated for over a year into giving up his trademark for a specific word so hasbro could use it for wizards of the coast. Made him almost kill himself. I remember actually talking to Michael about this at a toy convention in South Carolina and he got pretty pissed about it. Hope you remember me, Michael!
The biggest lesson I’ve learned over the years regarding companies is that sometimes the companies we grew up loving no longer exist in our adulthood. The fantastic people who worked there back then, who made those companies and their products great, are gone. These companies are just empty husks of their former selves. It’s really shown with Hasbro since Goldner passed away and all those employees got laid off.
I ordered this figure last year on Amazon, apparently on the day of release I got a spam email from them saying that it was cancelled even after I ordered it on the day it went up,but instead of getting upset I genuinely thought Hasbro didnt get my money at least.
More proof of how out of touch companies are. Companies are definitely not our friends, nor do they care about the fandom. We consumers should band together and send a message, but I’m starting to think collecting is a mental illness that we collectors have.
Well played Hasbro, this will get the fans onside!
That's for sure!
They want to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Those are people who pay no attention to this stuff, have no past investment in the product, and only care about jumping on the current trend. They do not care about the actual fans. I mean, hell, the same people who made fun of us nerds when we were kids are now wearing Star Wars and D&D shirts. Look how bland media is now; Star Trek and Star Wars are almost indistinguishable from each other, which was NEVER the case before. But, appeal to that common denominator to make them bucks....
3 words: class action lawsuit....no one threatens me in my own home without proper search and siezure warrant from a federal judge. I beg them to come to my house and try that....I guarantee they won't leave happy as I will be defending myself from being threatened.
This is crazy. I think it’s funny, and funny in the same way as you said in your previous video, “laughing, trying not to cry”, yourself and a few other channels have been saying this has been abuse and bullying the collector and people called you crazy, but you were right the whole time
The funniest part is that Hasbro SENT THE GUY THE CARDS. Somebody mistook the two names in the warehouse or fulfillment center and sent it to him. Hasbro is sending Pinkertons after people because of THEIR mistakes!
@@jeffreyyoders6366 I wonder if the person that made the mistake will get fired?
Michaels like the Robin Hood of the toy collecting community and Hasbro is the Sheriff of Nottingham.
I mean. Why did they cooperate? They’re not law enforcement. I would have laughed, and shut the door. ESPECIALLY if they were items I paid my hard earned money for. I’m not buying they’re stuff anymore. That’s CRAZY.
Thanks for calling these scumbags out,Retro. You’re absolutely 100% correct about how wrong it is for them to send armed “investigators” goons to someones home. It’s criminal, they’re distribution is at fault and the costumer got attacked.
Here's a challenge I did for myself...what if I sold it all? All my legends, transformers, Rangers, Multiverse, DCUC, and everything else not 3rd party/independent. I ended up with tables and shelves of the BEST collectibles money can buy. People my advice is just let go, you deserve better. Thank you for your views and point of view, I hope this pushes some over the edge too.
I actually love this idea and did a version of it a few years ago when I had gotten tired of Hasbro and Mattel's shit back then. No more of that mass produced garbage will ever stain my collection again. Nothing but third party/independent stuff (mainly Mythic Legions) from now on. And if any of those companies choose to show their ass as well, their shit will leave my collection too. I have what a lot of collectors don't...self respect.
Do it. I sold my games collection last year and bought a house in a nice area. Granted, I've got nothing to put in it now, but hey.
@theflyingninja1 you will eventually again
A little crazy that hasbro needs kickstarters to ship out things people actually want, struggles to supply stores with their products, and will do anything they can to save a buck or two when making products for us to buy. But apparently they got the money in the budget not to increase the quality of their products, but to send a mercenary group to a persons home because of THEIR mistake.
As a DnD player, Hasboro looks at their customers as walking wallet. They feel they are entitled to your cash at that. Completely have have lost any value for their customers.
Robocop taught us everything we need to know about heartless conglomerates
As they say: "Stop giving your money to people who hate you."
Toys, cards, comics, movies etc. They have all become irreversibly corporatized. It's time to let them fall.
Support Independents with your money. Put forward for the future, for the next generation.
#YourHeroesAreDead
That's disgusting behavior from Hasbro
Pinkerton are welcome to walk freely in my home if they can get through locked doors and buckshot.
That youtuber need to file a lawsuit against Hasbro you need a warrant to search a person house no one and i mean no one search my house or anybody home with out a search warrant we have rights nobody give your rights to no one nor to crooked cops , the government much less a bad company like Hasbro
When both companies started using the soft rubbery plastic on their 3.34 and 6 inch figures, which has been several years ago. I stopped buying newer toys.
Not real law enforcement, trespassing. Cowabunga time it is 👌👌👌
I can’t stress enough that this is why customers needs to hold these companies/corporations accountable for every crappy immoral thing that they do. If not, then you’ll get more situations like this, which is disgusting and a sure fire way of damaging their trust & reputation. We cannot continue to allow the retail market to turn into the wild west with Hasbro and ms y others basically turning into Buford “Mad Dog” Tannen.
This is disgusting. I can tell you exactly how it happened. The set he was supposed to get was "Magic the Gathering: March of the Machines," and the set they sent him was "Magic the Gathering: March of the Machines: Aftermath," and they're scheduled for release one month apart.
But the galaxy brains at Hasbro/WOTC never imagined a scenario where two products, with almost the exact same name, being supplied to distributors at roughly the same time, would get mixed up.
This happened in the United States where the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution? Why didn't he just produce a firearm and politely ask the Pinkertons to leave while calling local law enforcement
I bet this Hasbro sending in the Pinkertons to raid the CZcamsr's house story is going to be seen on "Unsolved Mysteries."
Anyone else hear 'Pinkertons' and immediately assume they were dressed like they were hunting Billy the Kid?
Thank you, I’ll be unfollowing any channel that doesn’t come out against this crap. I appreciate you and the 3POA crew as you guys seem to be the only ones who call this crap out.
Michael I hope this video goes viral. The community should know the details and not just hand wave this away. I don't expect Marvel and Star Wars fans to boycott the crack they need but maybe they could buy less figures.
I really wish I had bought some Magic cards and these guys showed up threatening to try to send me to jail. I would have had a field day and hoped they tried robbing me as that would have made a good lawsuit.
This is a really frightening precedent for Hasbro to set. There are children toy reviewers on CZcams. Is Hasbro seriously going to send mercenaries to a child's home just because they received a new iteration of Optimus Prime a week before street date?
I got mockingly laughed at recently on a post for saying Hasbro was doing more and more of late to make us despise them, but there will inevitably always be shills with willing blinders. No matter what walk of life I choose to maintain personal standards and what I throw my money at, and while I can't always control giving money to things I find lacking, I don't have to give a dime to these people if I really, really don't want to. Someday they'll have to contend with that reality the more people feel like us about it.
Dealt with this co-dependent BS with Mattel in 2011. Walked away when Mattel Tried to attach an emotional hose to me with DCUC, and I got no problem walking away from Marvel Legends and GIJOE Classified.
Sending private investigators to a person's home over toys is just WRONG. If someone PAID for these cards they are theirs to OWN. If Hasbro wants to find out what happened with these cards then they need to investigate which one of THEIR employees LEAKED the merchandise before the release date.
Yeah, I'm DONE with Hasbro. Put up with a lot of crap from them. Like repaints, ridiculous price hikes, more repaints, and declining QC, but this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
If Hasbro can't show customers like us respect, then I need to stop spending my money with them.
Is this 100 years ago, when corporate private thugs can go and administer 'justice' against anyone they want? It sure seems that way.
This deserves a budlight style "MANCOTT"!
Having looked at various articles on this subject, it looks as though Pinkerton clearly exceeded the limits of the law and the party in question should immediately consult an attorney and/or file criminal and civil charges against the agency and Hasbro. Conversely, the aforesaid should be prepared to explain how he obtained materials as yet unreleased prompting this excessive action.
Somewhere George Orwell has that "I-told-ya-so" look on his face.
Crazy day I am shocked by this news but i am sure surprise they aren't going after youtubers who show other products before they are released
I heard about what happened yesterday. I'm out! No more Hasbro
Hasbro sending in famed union busters The Pinkertons to stop a fan having cards early is like the wildest story to read this week.
We need to stop bringing back the worst elements of the 1920s in a fit of nostalgia :p
He ordered March of the Machines, they sent him March of the Machines: Aftermath, a supplemental set releasing less than a month after the first one. A distributor making that mistake was all but guaranteed to happen. Hasbro straight up robbed the guy and had NO legal grounds for what they did. He should sue both the Pinkertons and Hasbro and I will never being giving Hasbro another dime. This was eternally the last straw. They can burn and I'll bring the marshmallows.
I was a toy collector for a long time. Never a serious, collector mind you; I was more of a "collecting certain things I liked" kind of collector. Anyway, about 2 years ago, I had to sell roughly 93% - 95% of my collection just to make ends meet, but I kept my favorites; primarily my childhood TMNT figures from the 80's and 90s (I know how Michael feels about the Playmates Party Wagon, but don't worry, I forgive him!).
Well, to tell the truth, the experience wasn't as sad as I thought it would be. Rather, it was kind of liberating. It's a hard feeling to describe, but at that moment I kind of remembered why I got into this hobby in the first place. It isn't about how expensive the toy is, or how rare, or articulated, or detailed it is. It's not about any of that nonsense.
It's about those Saturday mornings in front of a TV with a spoonful of your favorite cereal in one hand, and your favorite action figure in the other, even if it was missing all of its accessories. It's about the adventures your toys took YOU on, no matter how wild or "non-cannon" those journeys were. It's about the power of imagination, and using everything from the mud-puddle in the backyard, to a simple cardboard box as a play-set, because Santa couldn't fit the real thing in his bag. It's about believing you can use the Force, Transform, have the Power, or even be Cool but Rude, and manage to defeat the most evil villains in the universe. But most importantly of all, it's about Fun.
I'm sharing this because I feel that many collectors need to be reminded that this hobby is not about blind loyalty to a big company. It's about something much more important. Something pure and innocent. A feeling that no one can take from you.
The simple joy of a favorite childhood toy.
Sounds like the Pinkerton agents violated that CZcamsr’s constitutional rights and human rights. That CZcamsr should hire a experienced lawyer and sue them and Hasbro (both companies are secretly working for the Chinese government) (both companies do business in China with the CCP) sounds like that CZcamsr deserves financial compensation for inflicted damage physical and psychological and emotional harm…..that should be a several hundred billion euros lawsuit.
Unfortunately ... No corporation is ever anyone's friend. And if you look at companies as individual people psychologically, research has shown them to be sociopaths.
Though, while I know that about every company in the U.S., I had no idea Hasbro was THIS bad.
Fantastic video. Exactly my take
Florida man giggles while cleaning guns.
I was thinking the same thing. If they come to my DOOR, I'd be in my house talking to them with my Ruger in hand. That would change the tone of the conversation really damn quick. "Oh really? You think I broke the law? Well I've already called the police; they're on their way. Only question now is 'Will you still be standing when they arrive?' That's up to you..."
Same. Our local law enforcement here in rural Texas is absolutely 2A. When it comes to home defense, the comment, "Well, there is only one side of the story when there is only one side remaining" holds true. Roaches check in, but they don't check out.
You don't have to convince me. Look at all the yellowing that is happening to their figures... *Transformers* *cough*
Large corporations using private security to intimidate innocent citizens should be met with serious consequences. Wizards higher ups deserve to be treated the same as foreign insurgents on domestic soil.
I had no idea the Pinkertons still existed. I guess this situation is a warning when buying Hasbro products, especially online.
Me neither LOL - I thought that was an Old West thing.... 🤠
@@oliversees9443. Hasbro might've had the first draw but the killshot will be that guy's on high noon!🤠
@@erikbihari3625 I hope he sues the shit out of Hasblow
@@oliversees9443. They gonna have Hell to pay!
They do background checks for employers as well. I remember seeing them on a form I had to fill out for a job I worked in 2014.
He didnt have to let them in, they had no jurisdiction whatsoever
Hasbro is unrecognizable as the company I enjoyed in the 80’s, 90’s, even into the early 2000s. They now produce a worse product at higher price with less imagination than pretty much all other manufacturers while caring nothing for the fans and collectors.
Until Hasbro publicly apologizes and FIRES the TOP LEVEL peoples responsible for this, I will not be buying their products.
If this is true the CZcamsr can tell them to piss off they are not law enforcement and have no power to arrest or detain anyone they also don’t have the power to serve warrants or seize anything. I’m in law enforcement and the CZcamsr needs to file charges on them for criminal trespass and terroristic threats.
i walked away from wotc years ago when i felt Magic was going the way of 90s sports cards. i dont miss it i returned to my live of collecting videogames and playing other older tabletop games.
Been hearing about this one all day. Pinkerton? What is this the Old West?!
The thing is….. since toys and collectibles are actually not required for life, you can actually boycott the companies. If it was Pepsi for instance, they make so many products it would be extremely difficult to do so. I swore off Hasbro and Mattel about a year ago and haven’t looked back.
It feels very illegal what Hasbro did and I kinda wonder if they are being so kind after the fact because it was potentially illegal.
Sadly I dont think the customer would press charges if it were since he seems to forgive them for whatever reason.
They'd better be sending him a full tractor trailer of free product. Anything less isn't being kind enough.
@@retroblasting I agree. I think they should give them cash. Cold hard cash. Like 100k. First they knock in the door and accuse them of things. Knock on neighbors door to gather intel. Not cool. At the same time they didn’t rough them up. Monetary compensation is due and a public apology.
I don't think law enforcement's going to look into them either, mostly because if they did, this wouldn't have happened in the first place.
It feels like all sides of the incident outside of the vendor are at fault here: Hasbro for hiring thugs, the victim for not demanding more from the company, and the law for letting it happen through inactivity on their part. Everyone should be ashamed of their actions, but we know they won't. Hasbro because they've pulled this shit before, and will until consumers boycott them; the victim because he's too cowardly; and the law because, all jokes aside, they truly are incompetent when it comes to actually dealing with ACTUAL crimes.
@@Newsystuffs One would hope that the police would side with the CZcamsr in this situation, but historically, the police will be on the side of groups like the Pinkertons.
@@Colt31389 Pinkertons is a big, well-established company in terms of private investigation. They generally know what they are and are not legally entitled to do in a given situation/jurisdiction. That's not to say they never would act outside of those parameters and they certainly will be as heavy-handed as they can be in order to get their job done, but their business model relies on operating within the bounds of the law.
Funny fact about Mattel and it poor plastic quality is when the M-16 assault rifle began to be issued to the U.S. troops there was a running joke in the army about the poor material choice that the M-16 was made from and it was nowhere near as reliable as it was supposed to be "that you can tell its mattel"
A youtuber showing an inadvertent prerelease is free advertising; siccing pinkertons upon him is bud light.
Huh. Sounds like a good way for Hasbro thugs to wind up with a few extra holes, if you ask me.
Higher prices, lower quality, and now this?! They clearly don’t want our money.
I am in Canadá and had no idea what a Pinkerton was. That’s crazy
This is disgusting behaviour by Hasbro, they make a mistake of shipping unreleased product, send thugs to intimidate someone who purchased the product, steal it and then have the audacity of saying they will offer 'a bit' of a refund? They should be ashamed.
This incident is insane. There is real world conflicts going on in the world and Hasbro are worried about trading cards. I get protecting their intellectual property but this is up there with the worst way to go about it. Either give the guy free product or brush it off like Michael said. Most other ways would generate good publicity.
I was thinking the same thing about hasbro Micheal. im done too
I'm so glad that I haven't given WotC a penny of my money, and I never will. I'm happy playing 2nd Edition AD&D that I bought when TSR was still around.
Back when I was a kid playing with my transformers, id have never thought id hate that compnay and that they would become...whatever the hell corporate evil they've become, thanks for bringing this to light and on happier note..the "they went full Streets of Rage" line had me rolling. 😂
Companies are not your friends
I agree Michael, that’s why I walked away from collecting all together. Since last summer Ive actually started selling stuff off. I mean yeah I’ll keep some stuff, but this hobby has become why too toxic.
Always glad to hear your voice of reason in the world of insanity
They dont have money to pay people to do proper quality control on their products, but they sure seem to have it to pay hired thugs to threaten their customers. 🙄 These "big"brands are dead to me.
They have quality control, when they find quality they want to keep it under control.
Terrible behaviour by a terrible company
This news really is sickening. I really hope every customer of Hasbro knows of this incident and show Hasbro how important customers are and how they should be treated.
I know we've argued in the past in the comments section of other videos, but I am so glad you are talking about this. Thank you for bringing this to the action figure community when nobody else seems to care about it or be talking about it. I've drawn my line in the sand with Hasbro as well over this event, and it feels good to finally not be alone in my commitment.
Why didn't they show up with a case of right product, an apology, and top of that, a promise for a whole case of what accidently got shopped to him on the street date for him to give a big review on? It would have cost them nothing. It's just printed cardboard. The cost of goons, loss of customers, bad PR, and a potential lawsuit wasn't worth it. Who's in charge up their. I hope he and his family sues them for being terrorized and extorted. Hasbro was threatening to sue him and took valuables that they didn't own from him. It was there screw up. That's big business, trample the little guy to make a buck for greed. This is the real life game of Hasbro-opoly.
You either die a hero like mego or live long enough to become a soulless villain like Mattel and Hasbro