RWBY Is Disappointing, And Here's Why
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
4:04 - The Histories of RT and Monty Oum
11:35 - The Trailers
19:26 - Thesis Statement
22:10 - OP
22:50 - Where Do You Even Start?
35:29 - Worldbuilding and Conveyance
53:31 - Some Positive Examples
59:40 - Insert Monty Fight Here
1:13:25 - Team CFVY
1:20:20 - The Importance of Characterisation
1:31:07 - Anime Homework
1:49:07 - The Faunus
2:06:55 - Keep Moving Forward
2:22:36 - Conclusion
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Damn, I can't believe they shot an entire anime in VR Chat
Basically
I’ve seen vrchat abridged shows better than RWBY volume 1-3
That animation.... I tried giving the show a try, but it fucking sucks, except the fight scenes. And when it finally got good, it went to shit. Sucks man.
@@yabazyabacoffee hey, those were the good seasons :(
@@Enchie yeah, the animation is what killed my interest in it
"It's a really good show to write a wiki about." As an ex-admin on the RWBY wiki.... that hit me square in the face XD
Did you add "weapon: Trumpet" ?
@@TheTexasDice Unfortunately no, I had moved away from editing by that volume, I did however start the Inconsistency pages. And help with a lot of the initial formatting and layout decisions.
@@laurenmahony7619 Wow. That's really neat.
@@laurenmahony7619 nice to meet you
@Nate It's definitely a unique position at least, so the surprise seems warranted.
Hi, Im Tommy Tallarico . But what you might know me best for is that I created the famous “Boop” sound for RWBY.
My mother is very proud :)
That's a strange way of spelling Joey.
@@fools_opinions Touché
omg tommy !! werent you the audio director on the show too ?
@@Robin-of2jtAbsolutely, in fact Monty was such a huge fan and we, I mean I, created the sounds and the monty planned the fights after hearing my audio. So they were animating to my audio. Sooo cool. It took about 5 years.
RWBY is like if the story you wrote in creative writing when you were 9 was animated by a full production team
Hey, give them some credit! You would have to be at least a teenager to make a selfinsert get into love triangles with the "best girls"!
@@lozofspielereien8038 Wait, were you NOT doing that until 13+??? I thought it was a universal experience that all little kids had to pick which Sonic characters they were going to have fight over them in their imaginary innerworld story, like a starter pokemon??? (except for people who couldnt imagine one cus aphantasia idk)
@@jellifygirl W-Well... NO! Not on the Internet at least, so you can't prove anything! I was saved by being too sheltered, not even knowing wtf is a "Sonic"!
@@lozofspielereien8038That’s every teenage girls wattpad story though.
Ist there a thing thats basically that called "axe cop"?
"Oh no, she talks like that?" Literally everyone's reaction.
Yup. "Wow I love these badass characters! I wonder how they'll interact?"
*the most nasally YANG Ive ever heard*
"Oh god no..."
anime voices make so many good shows unwatchable for me
@@miles4939 Literally same
At least with a lot of good English dubs you can accept the voice if the VA is passionate enough. Seam Schemmel is the voice I hear in my head whenever I read Goku talking in the manga.
Seeing Ruby in that awesome trailer, I would not expect *that* voice to come out of her.
@@li-limandragon9287 although in hindsight Ruby's nerdy/nasally voice WOULD kinda work for her if the show maintained her characterization as a massive weapons nerd, which hbomber mentioned they did not.
"I promise to never make anything this long again"
PRESS X TO DOUBT.
(edit) :3c
More like "Press X to hope it ain't true"
Tbh I like the longer videos. Was a nice surprise to see that time box, ngl.
These are the movies I look forward too!
X
X
Between Warner dissolving Rooster Teeth, and Netflix remaking Avatar but surgically excising Sokka’s sexism to make the show less “controversial,” this analysis has become more and more interesting.
Harris at the end of a 2.5 hour video: I promise to never make anything this long again.
Harris writing about James Somerton: *evil cackling laughter*
I mean, he did do a 3 hour video on Deus Ex before that
Edit: holy shit, I didn't realize that the latest video was even longer than that. It's almost 4 hours long! I watched it in chunks so I didn't notice it
Technicially he didn't make a video this long again. He made one that was longer.
@@elmerzcosta and the 4h video was that good made, I didn't notice the length until 3h in.
Oh, THAT is why I'm back here!
XD
I think the closest to this one in length is Roblox_Oof?
Hbomb's tombstone:
"This corpse is garbage, and here's why"
Underneath is a carved QR code that links to this channel
@@dontminchinit2656 His last video is just a live feed of his grave for all time.
HBombs last video is going to be him as a 90 year old man complaining about how death itself sucks and shouldn't happen. and om his tombstone there will be a QR code linking to that video.
"Hbomb no longer makes videos, and here's why"
and the dates of his life and death will be directly beneath the 'why'.
Therapist: “CGI hbomberguy isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.”
CGI hbomberguy:
Those aaarms. 😬😰
2:15 it's just PERFECT
For the message it sends
@@DaeZey
Arms? I can't take my eyes off that face! I'm afraid it'll eat my soul if I look away!
@@Ramsey276one 19:26
@@fluffy-hellhound I am getting there, OK...
You know what's kind of odd looking back on it now? When I first saw the scene of the dust store robbery, the fact that they were even bothering to steal dust made me think "Oh, dust must be a rapidly declining resource and is now something worth stealing." This made my viewing experience for the next like 2 seasons very confusing because I was operating off of the idea that dust wasn't as available as it used to be and that was going to be a major plot point, which of course it wasn't.
The show not conforming to a fan fiction you wrote in your head is not a fault of the writers
@@Americanbadashh His internal fanfiction is better than anything dust-related we've gotten so far Lol
@@Americanbadashh The show not conforming to what it has been implying, however, should be. Should I be worried now whenever Yang gets punched or get hyped because it will fuel her to do something amazing?
When you accidentally trick yourself into thinking the show is better than it is 😭
@@Americanbadashhsounds like you’ve been snorting a lot of dust
Son, you were named after the two bravest men I know, Sephiroth Dumbledore
Better than Severus any day
Get a shower y'all 🚿🚿🚿🚿
"Goku can eat my shorts."
Rwby managed to do the impossible, peaking before it even started
That’s bullshit. I peaked before I was born, how else would I explain the never ending spiral of fuck ups that constitute my life?
@@malikoniousjoe No you peaked when you wrote that comment because that is when I became aware of your existence
@@endaburns2121 Oh… So you’re telling me the the never ending spiral of fuck ups was my climb up. *Now* it’s all downhill from here. Fuck.
@@malikoniousjoe
Exactly! :D
What in the hell did I just read 😅???
RWBY fans: Wait it's all Avatar?
hbomerguy: Always has been.
Its mostly avatar. If it were all Avatar, then it wouldn't have Cowboy Bebop The Movie's Opening, Soul Eater's weapon, or Naruto's tournament arc climax.
They WISH it could be avatar
HOLY SHIT I'm wheezing, someone please make this meme.
Avatar had a plot. That's the difference
@@zuulmeister8409 looks like someone didn't watch the video, or RWBY, or Avatar
Even the song writer wrote a better character for Ruby. Red Like Roses tells a story of a girl who is tormented by the death of her mother so much that she’s arguing with her mother beyond the grave about why she left her to fight instead of living to raise her. You don’t get this grief and sadness from seeing Ruby? At least not in the couple of seasons I’ve watched all the way. It would’ve least been interesting if Ruby was a character that hides her pain behind a smile?
Hard agree. For example, the songs of Ice Queendom tell closer things to the character ideas, motivations and ways of thinking than the actual story.
I think this is why i love the characters so much, not because of the actual writing, but because i really like the music, and it gives so much insight to the characters when compared to said story writing.
RWBY should've beed a musical instead!
Why I still call RWBY the CLWEMV (casey lee williams extended music video) bc I keep up with the show to know the basic lore for the songs
@@rexy_mirror1225 you theater kids really want to ruin everything...
How can you make a character based on Sokka, who is literally a genius and becomes a strategy expert in his own right, and make that character so dumb? sokka wasn't dumb, he was dismissive and disinterested yet chose to follow her little sister cuz he needed to protect her? like even in the first episode you see his priorities and you see his courage. god, avatar was so good.
Yeah Sokka's kinda hard to argue being dumb cause he's more often than not the voice of reason
He was basically western Usopp
don't worry, in season 4 they arbitrarily decide that Jaune's "the strategist" so they managed to keep ripping off Avatar at the expense of the characterization they have written
@@GrayFox_74 Oh my god you're so right
@@errwhattheflip Sokka has 10 points in Intelligence but only 2 in Wisdom
"we need a Sokka"
Oh so you want to include a character who despite being comic relief and powerless in a world with super powers is incredibly talented, smart, and works incredibly hard in order to contribute to the super powered friends he's always around? Because that's who Sokka is, not just the butt of every joke. He has no bending abilities but is smart enough to beat a bender who's power is never even explained using a boomerang and quick math. He helps develop the first hot air balloon in the world and is partly responsible for the airships that develop afterwards and was smart enough to utilize water bending to design the first ever submarines after seeing earth bending be used in similar ways (trains and the mail system in Omashu). He's the one that was trusted with planning the eclipse raid despite being with more seasoned soldiers.
"we need a Sokka" and then making a clueless comic relief idiot tells everyone that you don't understand what makes Sokka so special despite being in a group with a water bending prodigy, an earth bending prodigy, a prince who's destined to change a nation, and the literal chosen one destined to save the world. Because without Sokka, the group wouldn't have had a route to take. Zuko's assassin would have killed the group. The eclipse raid wouldn't have been as effective and the retreat wouldn't have gone as well. Airships and submarines might not have been developed as fast. The fire nation armada wouldn't have been stopped.
Fucking preach it, brother. People don't get how awesome Sokka is.
Maybe if Jaune had been written as having this heritage and these expectations etc. but also been written to not have a semblance? But he still really wants to go to the RWBY hunter school/ends up getting in somehow (faking his way in like he did in canon I think Hbomb said)? I'm kind of stealing that from "Sky High" and "The Dragon Prince," but it would be... something?
@@sholem_bond Or just straight up rip off Avatar - Jaune is the only guy in big family and feels like he has to be better than his sisters to protect them. He's not the best, but he tries. He goes to Beacon without Aura unlocked because he feels smothered in home. Then you can have nice growth plotline in Beacon, where Jaune makes himself into good Hunter. Maybe tie that to "weapon maker" side of Ruby, let him be not the combat-oriented but strategist, researcher, aura-expert, something like that.
@@signer0001 Not to mention he should be actively participating in class. You can't have a character who wants to live up to familial legacy that literally does not make any effort in class at all. It would make more sense if Jaune was struggling even while trying hard and then lashes out at Pyrrha after that.
@@ApexGale Fucking exactly, "I have to learn all this myself otherwise what am I good for" and then they show him NOT LEARNING SHIT AND SLEEPING IN CLASS.
God, writers contradicting themselves makes me so angry.
And it also could've been nice setup for the conflict for Jaune and Pyrrha - him trying his best but failing , and her being combat and school prodigy that makes it look easy, which reminds him of home where sisters were always better than him, therefore making him hate her offers to train him.
"Young adults don't tend to walk around with entire speeches about how their world works prepared in case someone asks."
Well, clearly, we lead very different lives.
@@aaronmedders4141 you choose a bad time
Honestly, I could have given a decent synopsis at that age.
@@aaronmedders4141 we got water,
Pyrrha does because, even if she is a teenager, she was basically groomed by Ozpin to be the best Huntress in the academy, and even a Maiden. In fact, the entire sub plot in the "school arc" is that Pyrrha is so great that every student puts her on a pedestal, which means that others respect and even revere her, but are not her friends because they either feel inferior or in awe of her presence.
Jaun is basically the only one who doesn't treat her like this, because he clearly doesn't know even the basics of the world he lives in and he doesn't know who she is. But even that is kinda excusable because, he clearly doesn't even know what his Semblance is, because he finds out much later, while being taught by Pyrrha.
On the other hand, Jaun summarizes the Aura exposition in layman's terms as a "forcefield" but Pyrrha, being taught by Ozpin and having taking that seriously (and her lack of friends), tells him exactly like she learnt it. She didn't have time to have fun and joke about with her friends.
@Naukumaija Mau-mau Even if writers haven't had their exact stories laid out in their minds, we didn't know (at that point in time) either. So it was hard to be critical of it because the facts weren't all there. Obviously, now is too late to fill in the holes because the story has progressed beyond the highschool topics.
I sometimes forget that Ruby Rose is supposed to be a sniper yet she uses her sniper like it’s just some big bolt action rifle.
A sniper with superspeed? No wonder she is so "special" and broken... When does she actually do any sniping?
In all fairness, I think that part is intentional.
@@lozofspielereien8038 if you watched the show you'd know when
@@Americanbadashh How would you know if I didn't watch the show? I do recall a few "long distance weak point shots", but they never really looked like she was sniping. If people even forget that she is supposed so be a sniper, then it is a flaw of the show. As is your lackluster response that has no chance of persuading me otherwise since I do not plan on rewatching the show.
@@lozofspielereien8038 I feel it’s more so an excuse for the writers and animators to make scenes look cooler since, “LOOK AT HER!! SHE’S USING HER GUN TO PUSH HERSELF FORWARD!!” I just feel they should’ve just had it be a shotgun or an assault rifle with how much she uses close range shots instead of y’know, BEING A SNIPER AND HANGING BACK A BIT.
if they "needed a sokka character," why not make one of the main girls that character? it really seems like all the women are generic anime women whose arcs are 2 seconds long, and then the men get personalities & character arcs (poorly written but still present).
Yep! I guess they didn't realized Sokka was part of the main cast and NOT a side character with too much screen time
Oh sure, but which character could've even theoretically filled that position? It's not like one of their four lead characters is explicitly written as incredibly inexperienced, invested in doing the right thing regardless of difficulty, a natural leader, and would also have a lot of things to learn now that she's been accelerated into a position she would otherwise have been too young to fulfil. There's probably not a single person in the cast who could take the place as the normal-knees addition to the super team who then grows into the pivotal role they've been thrust into.
God, now I kind of want to see what Ruby would've been like if there was some sort of "it's bad for kids to unlock their aura before the end of puberty, so we unlock it in their last year at Signal Academy" plot point. She would surely be aware of aura, but could still be in a position to get a quick on-screen cliffnotes summary from her dad/uncle before they unlock it for her to get her ready for Beacon. Not being able to use it to its fullest potential in a fight could be the reason she steps back and starts coming up with off the wall strategies for the Giant Nevermore fight, it would give weiss more of a reason to resent being placed under her, give Ruby a reason to react with "uh...what?" when someone uses their aura to lift a shield from twenty yards away...okay, hang on. This started as a "What if Ruby was the main character of RWBY" joke, but now I kind of want to explore it.
@@VorthodWiler the thing about characters is that you can write them however you want, so they could make it any of the characters and just write them to be inexperienced, doing the right thing, and a natural leader. believe it or not you can plan stories with your writers' room & then choose to make the characters whatever people you want them to be, so if you want to include a kind of character, you can make it one of the main characters by doing it.
@@Pinkstarclanoof.
I haven't watched this show, but Weiss is in no way generic, and she has quite the arc. My good friend Paul has told me all about this show, and he always made sure to mention this fact in our many conversations on the subject.
in the immortal words of SarahZ:
"worst type of villain is ‘person who holds a fairly reasonable ideology that makes sense in context, but then a bunch of bafflingly evil stuff is added onto it in an obvious attempt to demonize that ideology’"
Bane, then?
@@SunlitSonata14272 Except for Kuvira; that time they did the reverse: they wrote a _fascist_ villain and added an uncomfortable amount of sympathy points to make her seem no different from the previous villains, even though her ideology actually *is* toxic.
@@matthewmuir8884 christ that show was a complete MESS, all caps required.
@@strayiggytv Yes, Legend of Korra is indeed a mess. Avatar: the Last Airbender was a team effort (Mike and Bryan as creators, and Aaron Ehasz as lead writer), and Korra is what happens when a member of the team is missing (no Ehasz) and the other team members try to go on without them.
Haven't finished the video, so don't know the context of this just yet, but arguably it depends on how you go about it. Radicals are a real thing, and every ideology has the potential to become 'evil' with a bad interpretation of how the problems the ideology seeks to counter could be remedied. Just because a show has a bad guy with a reasonable ideology, doesn't mean the writers are necessarily saying that ideology on its own is inherently bad. Of course there *are* also cases where the author is clearly just pushing some sort of agenda, but I find the generalisation of the 'worst type of villain' to be kinda wack.
Like, to give a generalised and popular example - Thanos (in the movies) is trying to fix overpopulation, because his homeworld got fucked by overpopulation. Now there are obviously ways he could have gone about fixing this problem for other planets, but he chose the radical decision of just culling off half of everybody. The writer doesn't do this as some kind of an affront towards people who have fears of overpopulation, rather to create a villain with more sympathetic and thus believable motives than just, grr i am bad guy, bad guy do evil thing. Now all that being said, Thanos isn't the ideal perfect example of amazing writing imo, but it's certainly critically 'better' writing than the alternative offered in the comic source material, where Thanos is just simping for the godess of death or something
*EDIT:* Aight, I've just got past the White Fang part. My point still stands, uh, kinda. At least it still stands against the SarahZ quote. The White Fang seem to have been written as a Faunus-rights turned Faunus supremacist group - which I think is a valid writing point. I think the reason it's bad isn't because a sensible ideology is being 'demonised', rather because they're using racism as more of an empty plot point. Radicalisation of an ideology that is otherwise sensible can be written well, it's just that RWBY doesn't write it well. A just cause without a just means is a villain concept that can work. As hbomberman mentions, there's just a lack of nuance to the situation and the ideas it brings up aren't really explored meaningfully (I think in one of the later seasons they expand on this a bit more, in the arc where Blake returns to her hometown, but it might be a bit late at that point).
Basically, I don't think the 'bafflingly evil stuff' is an inherent problem, and I was gonna say something else but I've forgotten it now so uh-
"it turns out the way to get weebs to understand racism is to make the target a catgirl" i lost it
Hes not wrong
I simply can't dispute the facts shameful as they might be.
“so black people in the U.S are basically Fauna- no not the white claw ones- well you see they were actuallyfighting for-no the deep voices are to show you theyre villains-“
But in this case "weebs" are "guys given anime homework"... which is... worse
The White Fang and Adam Taurus did nothing wrong. They were just poorly written.
Seems like one of the roots of the problem was the creators never coming together and building a script in the same room. Having blank sections of the storyboard that just have [Monty action scene!!!] is the definition of an unfinished story.
I've never heard anyone put the problem so succinctly
100%. When your lead creator and animator just wants to smash action figures together you're going to get a shit story
Yeah totally! This entire time I have been thinking about having a show Bible being what they needed. Like even going so nerdy as having actual character sheets attached to those concept art panels they had for the characters.
Yeah totally! This entire time I have been thinking about having a show Bible being what they needed. Like even going so nerdy as having actual character sheets attached to those concept art panels they had for the characters.
And now it looks like the story will remain an unfinished story. At least as far is the actual show goes. No V10 Green light. RWBY likely done. RT is broke.
If the RWBY writers got the chance to name Flynt's weapon they had like a 50% chance of naming it the Ghetto Blaster
LMAO that's actually pretty clever
The Slew-is Harmstrong
So fucked-up you gotta laugh
Is that a Miraculous Ladybug reference?
"Jaune is Sokka but without the overcoming misogyny plot line because Miles Luna didn't want to make his self-insert character a misogynist" is so galaxy brain
@@eren34558 Tecnhically, he never does learn to take "no" for an answer. He repeatedly asks Weiss out despite her rejections and backs out only after watching her asking Neptune to be her date. So, yeah, there's no scene where Weiss tells him "no" and he agrees to stop pestering her. It looks mostly as if he's recnognizing the presence of another man, rather than aknowledging Weiss' feelings. The entire dance arc seems hell-bent on making Jaune looks like the offended part, with a few characters encouraging him in his pursuit of Weiss and complimenting him for what a great guy he is, despite evidence of the contrary, especially in this context.
@@eren34558 Yes, I noticed, and I really appreciate him for that, but that doesn't asnwer the point I made: there's no scene where he is confronted by Weiss and learns to take no for an answer. After giving up on inviting Weiss to the dance (again, only because he sees that she's interested in Neptune), he goes to the party, talks to Pyrrha and gets complimented for how great he is for not putting her on a pedestal (despite the fact that he did and that nobody else among the main characters treat Pyrrha in a special way).
Then he confronts Neptune, gives him some sound advice about just being himself and gets congratulated again for being so great.
At no point Weiss is included in the discussion. For all we know, he gives up on Weiss because he feels sorry for making assumptions and hurting Pyrrha, because he starts having feelings for his teammate or because he doesn't want to step on someone else's turf.
Also, what about "chasing women in general"? Aside from a few glimpses in the first episodes with Ruby (the nice, quirky girl to talk to) and Yang (the shot with the onesie), he only showed interest in Weiss. He was never a skirt-chaser to begin with.
@@eren34558 I mean, I don't really hate "RWBY", it's just that particular arc that irks me. But I also haven't read all the comments, so I don't know how much hatred is going around.
@@eren34558 You're the one whose face and name are out in the open, what drugs are you on? lmao
I honestly felt Weiss was the worse party between the two, but both were in the wrong somewhat. Weiss was more or less a misandrist bitch to Jaune even when he tried to help her early on.
She acted coldly to him in her early judgemental attitude whichfueled Jaune's poor self-esteem issues and made him crave the approval of someone he wanted acknowledgement from.
You notice how Jaune never interacted nor pointed out Weiss worse character traits and only focused on her good traits? He deluded himself and only focused on Weiss' talents and virtues to the lack of anything else.
He admired her, and she put him down due to her own poor attitude.
The more Weiss put Jaune down, thinking he only wanted her for her family name due to her father, she fed into his self-pity and desperation to try harder and he went in the wrong direction.
It was only after Weiss met Neptune (who is ALOT like Jaune) that she learned that she was projecting her father onto someone who honestly didn't deserve it, as Yang pointed out at the start.
Meanwhile Jaune grew out of his self-hatred with Pyrrha's help, finding acceptance from someone else. He became willing to act like himself and stopped trying to be someone else.
Weiss and Jaune fed into each other's worse traits in a representation of a toxic relationship, and grew once they reconciled.
The whole Weiss-Jaune sub-plot was a continuation of their character development and tying up loose ends (though it still felt open ended).
Weiss became less of an unintentional abusive misandrist, and Jaune (briefly) learned to value himself.
...Before the ending of Volume 3 undid much of that development.
I would've honestly liked a final scene between the two at the dance. Weiss apologizing to Jaune and promising to become kinder to him as a friend and Jaune rejecting a dance to spend time with Pyrrha.
“Rwby isn’t a show it’s a template for fan fiction” I can’t remember who said it, but god damn if they weren’t right
Sometimes, fanfic is a love letter to the source material. And other times it's just a "Fuck you, strongly worded letter to follow".
For real, the RWBY in my head that I take away from the awesome visuals I saw on screen is the RWBY I love, not the show that was actually written. Like Reese Chloris, a character of so little note she's not mentioned, is my favourite RWBY character, because I saw one animated fight and attributed personality traits to her that made me connect...but in reality...she's a blank slate with a skateboard gun.
@@PBScene The fact that a fight was able to make you connect to a character that appears for less than 1 minute in the entire show is a pretty great feat in storytelling lol.
The worse thing about writing is when it doesn' t make you feel anything.
Some fics about RWBY are unironically better.
John O'Hara Fanfiction flourishes when based on series that are “theoretically interesting” it’s an amazing phenomena for sure.
Today is 2024 03 06, about 12 hours since Rooster Teeth announced the company was shutting down, and 3 and a half years since this video was posted. The Red trailer currently sits at a touch over 17M. The subscriber count of the Rooster Teeth channel is at 9.02M. The top four videos on the channel remain in the same order, with Angry Birds at 26M, the RvB S8 Tex fight at 18M, and Let's Play Minecraft episode 1 at 17M.
13:00 I was *checking numbers* D:
Woah
Video essay lengths have inflated so much that I was thinking "I kinda wanna go back and rewatch that really long RWBY video Hbomb did" and then I click on it and it's only two and half hours.
it has peaked when one of my other favorites, Whitelight, did a 7 HOUR Death Stranding essay, or with Pyro's Utopia video
This viewpoint surprises me even if I can understand it. I'm sad this video isn't any *longer*, like his Roblox and Plagarism videos were, though maybe that's just a displacement of still waiting for the follow-up video on this topic he teases twice.
i watched (read: listened to) a ten hour video essay on how flimsy harry potters worldbuilding is
@@zombiedoe3404 I think we listened to the same one😂 the fact it didn't seem that long😭
why does Hbomberguy in the narrations look exactly like the kid in the Polar Express
Julia Gabriele I mean can we prove he wasn’t the kid from the Polar Express?
hes british
I was thinking that he looks like the kid from Bully (the game from 2006)!
@@PygmyGoat3 TF2's Little Jack is where my mind led me.
"Draw me like one of your uncanny valley girls"
"She has 3 back-to-back fights against guys who dress like Jim Sterling" LMFAO
Jay Dee So he of course means *F A B U L O U S L Y*
I was kinda expecting him to mention that the main bad guy in that scene looks very similar to Armored Shitick.
@@TooFatTooFurious nah, he looks pretty generic and doesn't deserve the call out.
What a stupid username
It doesn't even repeat the first 3 letters
LOL
The quote at 1:45:00 and the stuff about Miles and Kerry mimicking things from anime without really understanding why what they were mimicking was good reminded me of a bit from Down the Rabbit Hole's video essay on the chess computer Deep Blue:
He mentions how at one point, scientists and programmers fed a computer a bunch of high level chess games in an effort to teach the computer what to do. The result was that the computer would immediately try to sacrifice it's queen as quickly as possible, because those games it was fed often featured a player sacrificing their queen to achieve a winning position. But without the context, the computer just learned "if I sacrifice my queen, I win".
I came into this video, a huge rwby fan, ready to either have a good laugh about how bad it can be at times or be pissed. I left it heartbroken now realizing just how good it could've been.
Happens to the best of us buddy
Not me though. I'm not the best at anything
i respect that.
i started to look back at RWBY and some of its poor writing upon a few rewatches to show some friends and every time i realized the show wasn't as good as i thought it was
then V6 came out and I had finally dropped the show. after the first 3 episodes i was done with it and felt the rest was just bad overall
Everyone on the production team deserves better writers than miles and kerry
The day Monty stopped smiling is the day we remembered his smile ♥
@@gamerule18 so become just "great" at everything then, nerd
Haha jk
Unless
Yeah. Same.
I may not agree with all of his criticisms, but Hbomberguy makes a lot of extremely valid points.
Although I think the entire essay really emphasizes why most of the show's fan's are fanfic writers. We love taking the potential of this show and these characters and turning it into the show we really wanted.
“I didn’t watch Monty Oum’s RWBY to watch Miles Luna’s Avatar”. I think out of all the scathing comments I’ve heard on this show, I felt that one. Wow.
I've read better fanfiction than what these two jokes of a writers managed to pull out of their asses and the whole WOKE pandering is just pathetic.
I read this comment just as that was being said!
@@SunlitSonata14272 It's not terribly Avatar like, but it is great.
@@SunlitSonata14272 There are a lot more than these two shows that have all these things and more in common (Nevermind that there is really only one matching character dynamic between the two of them).
@@sebpaul3548
Ain't that the truth. They are actually really good. Like some of the best fanfictions I ever read. And has quite a bit of originality and creativity.
Broke: stopping the video to watch the red trailer
Woke: stopping the video to watch Cowboy Bebop Knocking on Heaven's Door
Bespoke: stopping the video to rewatch all of Avatar the Last Airbender
Terrance Kling How come the X in the show is silent?
wokest: stopping the video to watch the first 14 seasons of red vs blue
@Terrance Kling ew bad
Masterstroke: stopping the video to watch the entire series of Cowboy Bebop including the movie.
Edit: not a joke; I'm on episode 3
the description of rwby as “a show that would be really fun to read the wiki of” is so real. it’s also a great world to use for a dnd campaign too!
I'm convinced by the view count of the actual episodes and the fierce defenders that most fans do just consume fan and wiki content rather than the episodes
It's also a good show to watch an hbomb video about
The attempt has been made, and it's really not deep enough for that. It's a great setting for a alright fighting game series.
I've actually just read the wiki so I could get into RWBY fanfiction 😂
"Your book, does it have a name?"
Well... yeah, Ruby, it does. Most of them do, actually!
(Sarcasm aside) I think it's a dialect thing. I ask questions like that where it would mean, "What is its name?" because I wasn't taught to ask things the way they're meant to be interpreted in social situations, rather hope it leads to them answering the question that was intended. Which usually works unless they want to dodge the question.
@@Laully I don't think many English speaking places are *that* indirect and high context with their language.
This feels like a line they'd give Yang. If they had, that scene probably would've been actually a funny, at least a little.
@@TacticusPrime It might just be bc I'm neurodivergent & others' reactions to things tell me something different from what I'm supposed to be getting from them, then. My family sucks at communication, so not much to go off for me. And maybe I just notice when people want more info than they're asking for more than when they want something direct.
in her defense, if the clip shown is accurate, she isn't GIVEN the name of the book in that scene, so maybe it didn't have one!
I will never not laugh at someone calling naruto “boruto’s dad”
Bossa Bassa He seems like an interesting character, I’d definitely love an anime focused on him and Sarada’s dad, would be rad.
It will never not be funny lol.
@Gmoney 12 Yeah, we know.
Boruto's Dad and his Army of Frenemies had me dying. 😂
yeah but the boruto anime is finally following the manga canon and is now 1000 times better
honestly, RWBY has always felt like reading deviantart roleplay about other people's OCs that I don't know anything about
Extremely specific yet.... extremely accurate
it really does feel like a 16 person rp where everyone is trying to take it in a different direction lol
Pretty much
I have seen roleplaying settings with better storyline than RWBY
And it’s the really crappy ones to where the main characters have to be right all the time, get bullshit power ups out of nowhere and anyone who bad mouths/disagrees with them might as well be another Hitler.
the thing that really drives the nail in the coffin for Yang's semblance is that it's really easy to see a correlation between getting hurt and being angry. If they had just decided on it being anger from the start it would've opened up loads of pathways for arcs discussing questions like which kinds of anger it includes (what if she's upset with herself?), if it applies to other strong emotions and whether using pure anger to fight is effective. I personally have imagined an entire arc where she screws up bad on a mission but becomes much stronger in fights, only for it to be revealed she's actually using internalized frustation and anger at her own mistakes or helplesness and has to realize how that isnt healthy despite the power boost. A character who's power is linked to strong emotions is just begging for awesome character development!!!
it’s been a while since i watched it but i thought they did that? didn’t they have that whole arc where yang learns when and how to use her anger in a constructive way?
@@richieordeanidc536 no. essentially, they told her she's over-reliant on her semblance because "it's a glorified temper tantrum" (despite this never being an evident flaw in her fighting prior to this) and repeatedly told her to use it less, despite her never being shown to use it any more than anyone else (bar ruby and weiss; w ruby hardly ever utilising her very-useful semblance and weiss actually being the one who over-relies on her semblance - summoning, specifically). this arc didnt really touch on her alleged-anger problems (beside a few comments here-and-there), instead forcing yang to just stop using her semblance all out; something that we never see applied despite the arc being concluded.
this is a common problem within rwby, wherein they'll get stuck on what arcs to give the girls and arbitrarily create flaws for them to *fix* (not work around or adapt to - it's always "fixing" said-flaws), despite the writers' lazy storytelling actually organically creating flaws for the characters (both personality-based *and* action-wise) that will never be acknowledged or addressed. another example of this is the "ruby needs to learn hand-to-hand" conflict which was materialised out of the blue - ruby had actually been shown to be entirely-fine at h2h in every instance prior to this, but the writers randomly decided that she's too reliant on crescent rose and needs to learn h2h in the event that she is unable to access crescent rose (which was only ever a problem *once*, in the very ending of v8 and active in v9; which took place long after she'd already "overcome" this non-existent flaw of hers).
funnily enough, *weiss* (again) is the one who shouldve had this arc as she is *constantly* finding herself unable to access myrtenaster and rendered-useless in battle (since she's the one who's *actually* shown to be incapable of h2h). regardless though, the writers' insistence that every flaw must be *fixed* is what irritates me the most. ruby was never shown to be left wo crescent rose in battle (at the time) and even if she was her semblance is literally *perfect* for tactical retreats in the event that she's defenceless in battle - instead of wasting ruby's and the audience's time learning h2h, they shouldve dedicated that arc to her mastering her semblance and acclimating herself to using it in battle; that would address an *organic* flaw w ruby's character, freshen up her combat and make it more interesting and versatile to watch, address an interesting character flaw of hers wherein she clearly has some sort of hang-up ab retreating (qrow v tyrian, for example) *and* would allow her to finally explore the possibility of picking up and transporting multiple people w her semblance like we're teased. but no, never, not in *my* 3d abomination. the people only want to see jaune - the real main character!
anyways the point is that, whilst yang's "anger issues" were never an organic flaw that was present in any of her fight scenes prior to its conception (because her fighting style was literally based off of a strategic, defensive style utilised by monks), they couldve made it an interesting arc regardless if they had written it as u suggested; yang learning to use her heightened-emotions constructively. however, they certainly did not do that, due to the writers' inability to allow their characters to maintain recognised-flaws; instead instead going w the boring and nonsensical plot line of yang being forced to just hardly ever use her semblance because "flaw = bad and bad = must be purged"
I know the video is already 2 and a half hours, but I was surprised that when you spoke about the Faunus, you didn't mention the fundemental problems with Blake's character.
She talks to Sun in Menagerie about how this land that was given to them is so difficult to live in, and that it's something that was given to them to effectively shut them up, and because no one wanted it because it's overrun with Grimm.
They do this sitting in a fucking beach front bar, sipping fruity cocktails... And then they walk across this island paradise, with massive roads wide enough for multiple cars, looking at the houses in this beautiful place, saying how they all live on top of one another... Not only is that not the case as we are literally being shown the wide open streets and single story huts, but the crown fucking jewel is when Sun asks "Which house is yours?".
And then she points to the HUGE FUCKING MANSION in the middle of the settlement, with room around it for fucking attached grounds...
And that's what I mean about Blake's character suddenly breaking... She's not the victim of racial prejudice, because this instantly turns her into a spoilt rich kid who's acting out against her daddy... Which I guess you can make into something with regards to character, but it completely broke the character for me.
And then when you actually see Atlas and Mantle later in the show, where Faunus are actually living in seriously difficult conditions, in virtual slums, ACTUALLY STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, she comes off like such a massive privilaged bitch - ironically mirroring Weiss a lot more than I think they ever intended...
He mostly focused on the first 3 volumes for this video. I wouldn't be surprised if he was saving that strong criticism for a possible future RWBY video that spoke about the disasters that were volumes 4-9. Of course, it's good that you also pointed this up, along many other fans who kept up with the show, but that scene is from volume 4. He probably was also planning to criticize harshly the Argus, Haven, and Atlas arcs, especially the episode With Friends Like These and the terrible volume 8 finale, which combined with volume 9 pretty much killed the show. But well, only time will tell if he will make another video to criticize the post-Monty volumes or the Rooster Teeth company as a whole.
blake was giving "jaden smith" throughout rwby's entire run
This sounds like what happens when the writers and environmental artists don't properly speak to each other. Like, not a single person noticed the discrepancy and pointed it out. They presumably just used the pre-built city assets they had already worked on but no one pointed out that would actively contradict the story telling in the scene
Imagine you’re just watching avatar and zuko shows up in frame wearing a “That’s rough buddy” T-shirt
never seen avatar and never plan to I’m confused
@@nyorri3490 do yourself a favor and watch it. Surprisingly well done for a kids show
Meyene Etuks
Exactly. It was meant for kids but people of all ages watch it, it’s on Netflix.
@@nyorri3490 Without going into spoilers, It's basically a meme in the community that stemmed from a conversation about loss, and since Zuko is characterized as being terrible with emotions all he can think to say is "that's rough buddy" when confronted with the character's problems.
@@nyorri3490 if you never plan to watch it shouldn't you just ignore this comment? why would you feel the need to tell us that?
I don't even know what RWBY but I am absolutely sure in 2 hours, 27 minutes and 24 seconds time, I will have very strong opinions on it.
literally me with the sherlock video omg, like I've never watched it but now I can have like a pretty good conversation about it, acknowledge it's flaws, what it did well, and the bits I like about it lmao. Like Hbomb just like DELIVERS when it comes to analysing media
This is a actually so me
Every. Damn. Time
So what are your strong opinions?
@@SgtDax wait so, rewrite Adam so that he's instead like an incel that got rejected and was so upset about it he joined the anti Faunus stormfront and pledged to destroy her life (and also her people)?
His bad dialogue suddenly becomes weirdly more believable.
The obviously better thread of rwby does weapons, makes one for John D'ark (I know.), Even granting some extra ship teasing between ruby and jaune. And stuff like throwing herself into it, or being burned out and not feeling it, are threads that could help show the character during some of the later seasons. As well as letting them switch up a couple weapons more easily and gradually, rather than sudden random blacksmith, then atlas upgrades for all.
In before people start blaming Hbomberguy for the closing of Rooster Teeth.
Me too
O shoot rooster teeth is finally closing? Hope they dont bring RWBY down with them
@@nekoteru24 Spoiler alert: yes
RWBY really does exude the specific type of 'feminism' that Fairy Tail uses, which is that "Pyrrha is really powerful and that makes her a strong female character".
Like I'm not going to say they're specifically bad female representation or anything, the show's gone on long enough that plenty of people have their moments. But it really does come off weird for such a supposedly female-centric show when Pyrrha's whole arc is having her interesting arc being shafted so she can be fridged for a guy that spends the rest of his plot being sad about how his girlfriend is super dead now.
I mean, shouldn't this be the other way around? Shouldn't Pyrrha be the one that thinks she has everything under control, but then the Maiden delimma pushes her to a breaking point and then Jaun's death shoves her over the edge? Maybe have her develop trust issues after being used by both sides of this conflict and you could actually explore how this stuff effects her? You know, like an actually fleshed out female character???
But nah, real strong female character writing is when your female character dies for a man or when you realize your dad's not so bad after he hits you, or when you have a character no-talk their way into a relationship out of nowhere because it's what the fans want. But they're all physically powerful, and that's what really matters, right?
"Fairy Tail" has way more than "character is strong, feminism!" Erza is a complex character; she's more than strong and pretty. She hides her pain behind the literal armor she wears as a shield. Also, you clearly haven't read all of "Fairy Tail". Erza and Jellal don't get together, in fact he LIES to her and says he has a fiance, but he's technically an escaped criminal who doesn't want to drag Erza in it.
As for Lucy's dad, he never hit her, and he also has an arc of his own. At no point in the manga does Lucy just forgive him because 'reasons'. He loses every cent he had, becomes a literal hermit and begs her for money, only to get irrationally upset with her. He then joins a guild and starts actually working, and after the time skip, where Lucy was thought to be DEAD, continued to pay her rent for her apartment and sent her gifts for her birthday, and sent letters to her every day, saying how he's back on his feet working at a railroad company, and that despite the news, knows she's okay and hopes he can see her again. Lucy doesn't just forgive him. In fact HE dies a month before the time skip ends, and Lucy discovers all this and breaks down into tears reading his letter. He changed because while he did bad things, Lucy confronting him, as well as his bankruptcy, realized how important she was to him.
That's more than anything "RWBY" ever did.
I think that's another case of RWBY rotely copying Avatar: Jaun is Sokka, therefore his girlfriend needs to become the moon so he can be sad about it.
@@cousinted The goofy thing is that Sokka's whole deal is part of a character arc where he struggles with sexism, overcomes it, and then when he finally clicks with someone he has to trust her enough to let them go. There's a whole thing there with a follow-up to it in The Swamp.
With Jaune, Pyrrha just dies and then her being fridged turns into a generic motivation to get stronger. Which isn't the worst, but it feels like it's just a waste of what could have been a more unique setup.
In the RWBY game, if you play as Nora, she basically only ever says "boop".
For the entire game. Every time you use a heavy attack. She says "boop".
Every. Single. Time.
*Boop.*
God the game is so bad. I mean it's serviceable, as a video game. It is a game you can play I give it that. But my god they really only used the same like 4 voice lines for each character
Fun fact, the demo was apparently way better then the final version
@@eren34558 damn bro you must really love RWBY
So it's basically like playing with a really annoying Sombra player in Overwatch
Ha! I think that enemy got THE POINT
"To explore seasons 4 and beyond, we'd need a whole other video"
Oh nooooo, how terrible it would be to have another massive length Hbomb analysis to watch
I'm gonna level with you as someone who was a big fan of the series: everything in this video is 100% true and the first three volumes are the best the show ever gets. In fact, they retroactively get better once you compare them to the later volumes
@@IosLocarth I really need that Hbomb video now, I didn't care about RWBY at all but now I need to know how the show declined as more volumes were released.
@@zayalabi9080 It's....something
@@zayalabi9080 I mean at the very least the volumes aren't that long so it's easy to binge. But yeah I'd also like to see him tear the next several volumes to shreds
noooo please no, it took him like 5 months to make this one. Its magnificent but I miss his semi-monthly videos.
55:44 in the commentary on the dvd Miles and Kerry say that their head cannon is that team RWBY had a sleepover to decide their team attack names….. YOU ARE THE WRITERS! PUT THAT IN THE STORY THEN
The show writers should not have a HEADCANNON WTF?
I don't mean to sound pretentious or dour about a creative project, but the responsibility of a writer involves many things that I think Miles and Kerry saw as a slight inconvenience.
The writers run the show with a fanboy mentality. They have "headcanons" and wish fulfillment OCs and make scenes based on cool stuff from other shows.
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right. I feel like they spent especially the early days writing the show as fans and not as showrunners/writers/etc. I’m glad they got some help by hiring new writers in the later seasons
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right on the money, here. They wrote the characters as though the audience was already familiar with them instead of doing actual characterization.
It’s basically just putting character models into scenarios that feel like they’re clipped out of context.
@@fredericksmith7942 I rather like it more how you put it. It makes me think of someone making a fan edit for their OCs and the comments are just like, "tf are these guys?" 🤣 Like we're supposed to already know who they are and what their deals are.
Now I can't sleep thinking about a bunch of confused people looking at cool fight scenes with scant continuity. Thank you.
I love Harris's jabs at the "I love books!" line
I was in the RWBY fandom very young, too young to see literally all of the problems with the writing, and yet I was still frustrated at the fact that Ruby and Blake barely talk to each other, compared to the other main characters
I haven't seen all of the show, or watched it in years so I don't know if that's changed ... BUT how do you write a show that's supposed to be about four main characters, and two of them don't really... talk??
Haven't changed. 9 volumes in and these two STILL barelly interact! But they still found the time to give JAUNE a ton of screen time still
@@isabelaalves4511 I should've expected that
"A character fans love because her deal is she doesn't talk and therefore cannot be ruined by the writers."
This sentence is too perfect.
Cinder's characterization improves in season 4 because she doesn't talk. This isn't an exaggeration.
@@aleciad7218 nah she was still terrible. With neo she was never able to talk, cinder has been talking since she was introduced. Also cinders entire character during season 4 was "waa, ruby took my eye i want her dead waa!" And a full season later she has her chance and doesn't take it, like wtf?!
@@phantomnite this reads to much like the plot of TLOU2
@@Majinhero what?
now you have 666 likes.
"I promise to never make anything this long again"
X to doubt.
I just hold it down...
XD
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Especially since he implied another video is well on the way.
for anyone here 3 years later: casey lee williams actually does her own music now!!! also she was only 12/13 in the trailers which is NUTS. theyre a wildly talented vocalist.
Omg thanks for the info, I'm gonna check out her work❤
Well, now that Rooster Teeth is folding in its entirety, I'd appreciate a full company autopsy report. Please and thank you.
1:08 "Eight long years into production..."
Are you talking about this video, hbomb?
If you replace years with months, then yeah.
w-w-why is your profile pic a picture of the wooden bear from a Teletubby episode
(it was literally the cause of my nightmares for 10 years)
I'm less than 10 minutes in and I'm still recovering from master chief and sgt. metroid being a wlw couple watching the sunset
That's Sgt. Metroid, I can't believe people still get that wrong in 2020
Ado and 「 Ribbon」 edited per your request 🥰
sergeant samantha s. metroid
Frankly its kind of disgusting that the thing ends with a shot of two hot women in latex suits with their clearly defied massive asses being the center of the frame and also touching? What?
😊
Honestly that "did you miss me" at 2:13:33 moment is such nice bit of charactarization. They both smile when Crow says "nope" which implies that they have really close connection and that Ruby knows him and his type of jokes and probably even act extra annoying to play with it. Like that's how child and their uncle would act. Honestly rare RWBY W
I agree. I always liked that moment.
If she didn't have that kind of connection with the guy who helped her make "the most dangerous weapon ever designed", it would have been an extra big fat L instead. But I have to agree: Brillinatly executed. Luckily enough, it was too difficult to make a shirt out of it.
I assume you haven't seen the show and only guessed this, because yes, you're entirely correct. That's just how good most of Qrow's characterization is, at least in his introduction.
@@marcfyre I kinda saw it a while ago when there was only 2 seasons. So even though I knew about the show a little, all Qrow stuff is new to me
“She’s so pretty. She’s so pretty. She’s so pretty.”
Keep it in your pants,
bro.
Not weird at all that they saying this while making her 17 years old. Nope not weird at all.
so, so, fucking creepy.
Strong incel energy at that point.
Dude, why'd he have to say it three (3) times so dreamily!? Weird as hell...
Like any of you are any different
"I promise to never make anything this long again"
Harris Bomberguy lied as easily as he breathed
Hbomberguy really lied? No dignity.
Wil E. Coyote style rabbit holes are fun though, ngl.
and i’m happy he did 😌
He didn't lie. The Deus Ex video isn't as long as this one.
It's an hour longer.
@@AugustSequoia now if that ain’t a loophole if I ain’t seen one.
We all know deep down the real reason the Faunus exist was so they could have cat girls in the show
i fully believe that
Isn't that pretty much on the surface though?
No kidding. I saw right through that when that happened. It was so obvious there that I was sort of surprised they didn't make the bunny girl a _bunny girl_ .
@@KibblezanBitz Monty had semi-decent rule for RWBY in that he was extra iffy with the idea of sexualizing underage children. His ground rules were basically - least questionable outfits possible, no panty shots, etc.
Coincidentally seasons after Monty's passing suddenly have those 15 year olds in corsets, butt-capes, with boob windows, etc. Oh and giant blue naked lady at one point. Oh and yeah in spite of going to cold climate region with snow and storms and the like - nobody got more clothes because LORE REASONS.
"So, uhhh, we're gonna do racism but, umm, it's catgirls that are gonna be oppressed"
1:28:48
"I'm not saying this is plagiarism. Creative theft is a different thing entirely,[...]"
Holy fuck, Harris foreshadowed his own fucking video 3 years before
Masterful writing of the Hbomberguy storyline
i can summarize this video in one sentence.
the rwby nsfw subreddit has more members than the sfw subreddit
And the fanfictions are (probably) more developed than the actual plot.
God, R/RwbyCritics never shuts up about it.
"Imagine if the first time anyone said 'bending' in avatar was 14 episodes in" is such a funny mental image
The fourteenth episode of atla is "The Fortuneteller." The previous episode is "The Blue Spirit." The next episode is "Bato of the Water Tribe." This is AFTER the winter solistice!! In the fourteenth episode they bend a volcano so it doesn't kill everybody by working together! Can you imagine if that was the first time they mentioned the word 'bending'? Can you imagine if they never talked about the world or explained it until that moment?! Oh there's uhhh Ice Land where people have water powers. Now we're in Rock Land where people have rock powers. Aang has both air powers and he's started learning water powers don't worry about why he can do that or who Sozin is. There isn't anywhere they're trying to get to they're just touring the world. There might be a war? Maybe? There's some destroyed buildings in the background. They never say bending until 4 episodes before the season finale. No airbending waterbending earthbending firebending as common words with known limits plus magic spirits. God. Can you imagine?
Bringing up that Fry was frozen for a thousand years in season 2 of Futurama
@@EddieSlabb Mentioning briefly that Leela's the only one of her kind and she's never met another like her in season three
@@unu9651 Also I, Zoidberg am not from this planet why not? And also on this, the eve of Fry's Opera I must let you know that I have been an internal medicine doctor. WoopWoopWoop
@@EddieSlabb God. Yeah that'd be... something.
Now I'm really sad that RWBY isn't about a weapons-inventor girl
Technically it is
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 but only technically :(
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 we're tired is seeing RWBY be "technically". We want it to be "definitely". A show can't just be technically good,it's either you like it or you don't or some weird amalgamation of an emotion inbetween.
@@azirul9311 whoop there it is!
I feel like a lot of what makes a story successful is the way it sets up expectations, and how it delivers its payoffs.
ideally, you want people interested in a work, but with their expectations relatively low. if you can pull that off, you have the opportunity to really blow your audience away. this is why a lot of my favorite media has beginnings that seem really quaint or simple before they escalate. what's unfortunate about RWBY is that it kind of gets this backwards. the trailers are really good, and they set your expectations sky high for what the show will be like. then you start episode one, and _that's_ when things get quaint, simple, low stakes, and goofy. not what you had primed yourself for.
picture for a moment, a world where RWBY didn't have those trailers at all. the show began with episode one after having been hyped up primarily via word-of-mouth before the release. now, you can imagine some fixes within the show itself if you want to... but ultimately what we're dealing with is a story about four teenage girls who meet each other at magical monster hunter school. the tone is light... it hasn't really tipped its hand as to how good it might get yet. some might even think that all it ever aspires to be is a slice-of-life school drama. but then let's say that one of the fights from the trailer is integrated into the show, (or at least a fight of similar quality to that), as a climactic moment within the story.
up until this point, your expectations had been set at somewhere around the level of "background characters are just shadowy silhouettes" and "dust cloud with fists and stars flying out of it = two characters fighting" but now? the show just bumped up its standing with you a LOT in a very short amount of time. that's when you start hounding your friends to watch this hidden gem you just stumbled upon. you get to feel like you yourself have struck gold.
but then the trick going forward, for the people making this show, would be to not spend all their good ideas in one place. a truly good idea is one that makes the _writers_ excited to see more of their own creation. an audience trusts an author the most when they consistently prove that they, as an author, are interested in what they made for the same reasons as their fans. you might not know what the author intends to do next, like, there can be a lot of crazy shit on the table... but you can believe that the author is more interested in using the avenues they have, rather than ruining any part of the core appeal.
I think RWBY just jumped the gun (haha) with its big action set pieces. it put the cart before the horse.
“Imagine if the first time they said ‘bending’ it was 14 episodes in”
Episode 14 of Avatar: The Last Airbender is The Fortune Teller, where a psychic tells Katara she will marry a very powerful bender and Aang tries to prove that it’s him. (This episode takes place AFTER the entire Jet saga, btw)
That idea is so psychotic it's hilarious. Imagine Aang being so down bad for Katara that he invented manipulation of all 4 elements just so he could fulfill the prophecy of hooking up with Katara one day?
Honestly that makes it even funnier. Imagine the first time you heard "bender" in ATLA was when some random tells Katara she's going to marry one. And then you learn that everyone but Sokka is one! Utter madness.
I've got a 10 week old kitten that sat still and watched this for at least 45 minutes. He's never sat still that long while awake.
I liked it quite a bit too.
"People aren't going to buy your Boop shirt if they're sad about racism." And yet Avatar managed to tackle genocide AND racism while still being a fun, enjoyable show.
Genocide, xenophobia, politics, abusive parents, grey morality of war, dealing with death, intricate human relationships, and hope when everything seems to be lost. Everything tied neatly in a child-friendly story with excellent execution.
Again, the writers of RWBY just picked things they thought was cool but didn't understand why. And from the end result, we can assume they didn't even TRY to understand the source material.
@@TwilightWolf032 Dave Filoni's skills ma man.
I don't remember the racism part.
@@parasemprealice5684 Neither do the writers, that's why they turned Adam into a crazy-ax ex-boyfriend - they forgot he was a freedom fighter XD
@@TwilightWolf032 Ok, but can you tell me the racism part?
Volume 1: “Our world is experiencing an incredible time of peace”
Volume 3: “Our kingdoms are on the brink of war”
To be fair I'm pretty sure Cinder was lying there, to sow fear and what not. I mean, it's practically true now but it's mostly her fault. A self-fulfilling prophecy, as it were.
@@eren34558 It's kind of a confirmation bias thing. When you think something is shallow you're not going to be looking for a deeper meaning.
Basically every hoi4 game in a nutshell
@@someguyontheinternet8282 One moment you're worrying about building up your army and industrial capacity as fast as you can, and in the other it's "Danzig or War".
Also, Tanu what?
@@bowenorcutt78 It's not practically true, though. She did indeed lie, but it didn't have any effect and was pointless. And, of course, some random woman hijacking your television claiming your at the brink of war is pretty ineffective.
It’s really sad how even three years later rwby is still disappointing and only cares about crossovers and merch instead of making an actually good story
Like, it's enjoyable, abd the random is great, (i might have a soft spot for bumbleby) but the show was never, and will never be actually good.
Speaking as a fan of RWBY, "I think it needed a second draft" is pretty much the fandom's - sorry, the FNDM's - motto, lol.
Me, who has never seen a single episode of RWBY: Hell yeah I’ll watch 2 and a half hours of this.
In the exact same boat, I'll consume whatever content Hbomberguy puts out regardless of what it is haha
Honestly I much prefer it to listening to him roast something I know and love!
...same tho. ☺
Same. I just want to know what people see in this show.
I'll even watch it a second time, don't try to stop me
"The show frequently threatens to suddenly become good" is definitely the best summary of RWBY I have ever heard
That is sadly true there were so many times the show could've been more interesting only to go nowhere or to scrap the idea later.
The ending of season 3 and the ending of season 7 are peak rwby. but almost every time it becomes genuinely good, it's good by accident, or good because of something the writers didn't expect. Then they ruin it.
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@@l.gsmith8411 that's the thing, just like what he said the ending of this vid, the viewers standards are based around those "accidents" and it's hard to impossible to replicate accidents.
@@wvn9957 sometimes I feel as if the writers were to take a step back and look at well written actual reviews of the season (not angry bullshit) they could easily analyze why watchers liked the season and what made it good. The ending of season 7 is was an amazing season because they actually wrote a REALLY well villian who was actually sympathetic and liked. Then they RUINED it because they didn't expect watchers to actually sympathize with him and understand his point of view, and just made him do evil things in the first damn episode. We need a whole rewriting of the show. Maybe rwby brotherhood, because it has so much damn potential but the writers just keep taking L after L when it comes to writing the story.
The section about not wanting their Sokka character to be sexist is so funny in retrospect after Avatar live action on Netflix.
And BOTH ended up making the character and the narrative based on Sokka MORE sexist xD Jaune is a loser incel NICE GUY TM, so it is a ok for him to not take No as an answer. Sokka isn't sexist anymore in order to unlearn his sexism, so now Suki is just into him from the get go and even stalks him a bit. Not sexist at all 🙃
It's crazy how dedicated the fans of this show are. My ex gf was huge into it, and I was for awhile, as well -- but after V9 started, I just didn't feel it anymore. I expressed a lot of the sentiments from this vid and my own frustrations with the show, just talking to her, and she got like, morally offended and extremely hurt. I felt so bad, but she took deep offense and was mad at me for disliking the show at all.
So she was just an average RWBY fan then. Someone who just can't take ANY criticism of the show. I feel more sorry for you for having to witness your friend sink to an astronomical LOW.
That’s kinda unhinged ngl
@@anthonychessar7179when you grow attached to a show that has a cast and crew who you can develop a parasocial relationship with as well as a community of people who might not have access to the media RWBY superficially resembles, combined with an appeal to a younger audience, it leads a fanbase that is very defensive and attached to their ‘community’ pill.
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I'm sort of a fence-sitting "fan" at this point, half-heartedly watching new seasons after they've fully released so I can pray it finally reaches the promised land of potential that I know it probably never will, but it's basically just sunk-cost fallacy at this point. I enjoy parts of it in isolation, and can even feel shreds of hype at times, but it's all fairly hollow.
Most people I speak to either dropped the show within the last two seasons or are in a similar boat as myself. The extremely vocal minority (at least, I hope it's just a vocal minority) seems to be the hyper-fanbase who fail to see any flaws with the show, and it frustrates me that it feels like there's no one left to have a good discussion about it with. Everyone rational either doesn't care enough to discuss or has bounced entirely, leaving only those who will cling to their perception of the show with feral ferocity.
@@SoralaxPlays Honestly, the only proper way to enjoy RWBY at this rate is to pretend that anything after Volume 2 or 3 is just non-canon while treating any semblance of a good fanfic story as a proper alternative or your own headcanons. The list goes on really even to remastered ideas or what-ifs. Like how Salem could have just worked as an alien parasite in a homage to Jenova from FF7 that crash landed on Remnant since Monty was big on Final Fantasy. Certainly better than this shoddy ass divorce between two quasi-immortals we're stuck with in canon lol.
This video should be titled "why media analysis is necessary to make you a better writer"
Kind of like how Lindsay Ellis is releasing a sci-fi book soon
@@troyjardine5850 Is she? I'm interested in seeing how that goes and I wish the best for her and her book.
@@ireallydidntwanttomakeanac575 It's called Axiom's End, and it's already out!
Well kinda you should take bits and pieces from stuff that you love and see what you can do differently.
@@icecreamhero2375 the issue here is they take bits and pieces of stuff they like without understanding why they worked. And they do this instead of actually taking bits and pieces of the real world. That makes it basically just a shallow reflection of other media that isnt capable of saying much about the world we live in.
"Boruto's dad & his army of frenemies"
*This killed me.*
A man of true taste right here
For me it was "Sephiroth Dumbeldore"
@@MistahJBasic I laughed loudly at that!! XP
I was big into RWBY back when it came out (I was in middle school), and the thing that I will never get over is the design for Velvet’s combat outfit. They had a contest for fans to design what she was going to wear, they had like 1300 entries, and they picked the ugliest possible one. I remember actually feeling insulted when I saw it for the first time because I thought it was so lame.
YES, SERIOUSLY!! LMAO I was so stunned with the one they picked cause it was so ugly, boring and plain. And the final version is EDITED, they changed the original entry's color from turquoise to brown like her hair, which somehow made it even worse
@@lambs5258 I just don't understand how, in a show *about* colors, they make her outfit just... brown. Like come on
Dude Velvet's outfit is fine
It frustrates me that “Sephiroth Dumbledore” is nearly a perfect description of his introduction, and then “Gandalf Goku” is equally so for where he ends up.
RWBY's fandom can be summed up by recognizing that we don't like RWBY itself, but the *idea* of what RWBY could and should be, and suffering through it not being that.
Thats probably how most fandoms go with shitty source material. There wouldn't be a fandom otherwise.
Yep,the people that like the show now are weird...but the people that like RWBY concept are different. Like is bizarre thing that there is this split in the fandom that never will be solved.
I feel attacked right now
This is why rwby chibi and the fan comics better
I've watched the entire series and after watching this, I completely agree. RWBY needs a complete reboot or rewrite to be anything. It wasn't a show, it was just mindless yet mindblowing action. However, if they choose to give RWBY a second and better chance... I think we need different directors and writers. If they're trying to fix it, then time to go the DC/Marvel route kill the universe, recon, start over, and learn from the mistakes.
Hbombs review scale:
Garbage
Disappointing
Genius
I mean, based on how much, for instance, video game reviews give 7/10 (or the equivalent) and above, I think *everyone's* review scale is "Garbage - disappointing - genius".
EDIT: for games, I think the scale is:
10/10 - genius
9/10 - disappointing
8/10 - garbage
7/10 - the Internet yells at Jim Sterling for not liking Legend of Zelda enough.
I think those are the only three ratings worth talking about for over an hour. Like, I'm not talking for an hour about a better marvel movie
@@oddtail_tiger What about people giving The Last of Us 2 1/10?
Aka:
-5 million/10
2/10
∞/10
And "measured response"
"There's nothing wrong with wearing your inspiration on your sleeve. What IS wrong is not understanding what made the original thing work." I wish the people who made the Cowboy Bebop live action had known this
oh, so the show wouldve been better if it was written by writers. in retrospect that makes sense
"Turns out, the way to get weebs to care about racism, is to make the target a catgirl."
But they STILL fucked it up by framing the White Fang the way they did.
@@Krankynator Yeah, the way the handled it is a terrible compromise. They coulda just let bunnygirls be bunnygirls and left it at that, that'd be fine. They could have gone whole-heartedly into racial justice and social reform, and while that's difficult it'd be interesting. But they decided to stand in the middle of the road and get hit by a truck.
JSpindler honestly it’s not even a bad idea since people react to cute things with a want and need to protect them
StardustLegend The Charismatic Megafauna of Racism? It could work, the issue is that it allows a level of displacement that doesn’t create a full engagement with the subject. It would have to be a VERY carefully crafted hook and transference strategy.
Kyle Curia I think that’s a given with any story that wants to tackle race issues seriously. There needs to be a level of subtlety and nuance, ESPECIALLY if you plan for your race issues in your fantasy world to be analogous to real world ones
It really feels like the writers (and Monty a bit) are the type of anime fans that are literally only here for the cool fights and entirely check out for the actual plot and characters. The ones will refuse to watch anything character-driven if it doesn't have cool fights in it because its the only thing they care about. And then, since that's the only part they are paying any attention to, they don't know how to do the rest of it or why the rest of it works.
Bruh this is especially telling when they say “we wrote the female characters and didint even think of them as female” and then go on to skeev on them and write themselves into the story to have relationships with them.
Bingo
Reminds me of a friend who showed me an anime "Valkyrie" or "Ragnarok" something, where it was a bunch of mythological figures fighting that he thought id be interested cus i liked mythology, and i literally fell asleep, 1 cus I was a bit sleep deprived, 2 he quite literally skipped everything that was not a fight, even then being anime they were extremely drawn out (into manga myself) and 3 i was tired of him pestering me if i recognized any of the figures in the fights, most of which i could not because most were completely different from their myths and typical characterizations
@@Brian-tn4cd Oh Record of Ragnarok? I love the manga, I acknowledge it's mythologically inaccurate to hell and back but goddamn it's some fun junk food. Anime isn't great though, sorry you couldn't get into it.
@@johnhawes2262 tried the manga since id always read online it was better, still couldn't get into it, not my kind of junk food to use that metaphor
Blake being the beauty and the beast reminds me of that one ever after high character that was the daughter of red riding hood and the wolf but she had to hide it
I never watched Ever After High,but "Daughter of Red Riding Hood and Wolf" sounds really interesting ngl
@@chudak190it's not mentioned much, and is central in only about a single episode/movie as 2 characters fight against eachother; one trying to uncover the secret to the school, the other helping redwolf as she does sports
Animated Harry looks like the bully kid in animated movies.
He was the Chad all along.
Especially if you've seen what he really looks like now.
do the roar
He has yaoi hands
@@_shir0gan379 oh no
it looks like a fucking skinnier version of bobby hill lmao.
RWBY writers: It's not plagiarism if we make it worse!
our plan of attack is to make something so bad that the companies who can copyright it wont even want to look at it!
Apparently Kerry wasn't just the co-writer but also the director after Monty died. That explains so much now. Dude never had a boss telling him what to do and what not to do, so he just kind of had free reign
The storytelling in RWBY seems to be "first thought best thought" and that's disappointing because a lot of the things that are nonsensical in the story could've made sense and been really interesting if the story as a whole had been given another pass while it was being edited.
Monty Oum wanted nothing to do with the writing aspect, and yet he was the best writer on the team. YIKES
EDIT 12/15/2020: holy crap I never meant to start anything. I love this show, don't hate it what-so-ever, but I can still recognize faults within the plot and writing. I hope everyone has a good day and in the end, remember this is just a show PLEASE.
He was in charge of a lot of the most complained thing like faunus subplot, introducing maidens, focusing so much on Jaune, so no he was not the best writer
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind the worst part is some characters and character traits wouldn't even exist without this plot (which imo is very poorly handled).
icecontrol1 Monty created the Faunus, miles and Kerry shitted on the plot point, Monty made the maidens, miles and Kerry introduced relics which low key invalidated the Maidens and Jaune is literally a insert character of a man who writes the show
Arigadia
Jaune’s basically Miles’ outlet to fulfil his weird crush in Pyhrra.
satan word and he changed what would have been Jaunes biggest mistake in the series because jaune was supposed to cause Pyrrhas death, plus that would have made v5 better 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
“Is this gonna be on my gravestone?”
hbommerguy wasn’t garbage, and here’s why
*QR code to a 17 hour video*
MORE LIKE HBUMMERGUY BECAUSE HE’S ALWAYS BUMMING ME OUT
[cause of death] was disappointing, and here's why
bommer
FULLY AGREE
every now and again I think "hey rwby wasn't that bad, maybe I should rewatch it" I instead rewatch this video and it saves me every time.
I mean, you still can mostly volume 1-3, but nothing more than that, but you also lose nothing skipping out on it
43:11 i think you meant, “blake will never use her incredibly useful semblance because the animators never think about it after volume 3”
Amazing that Monty didn't want to bother writing the story to RWBY, but continuously does a better job of character writing DURING his fights than the writers can.
they really should've just given him a storyboard or something. 👊😔
Miles and Kerry didn’t know enough about writing to understand story mechanisms. I doubt they play the same games as Monty. Having a unique power per character is stupid in terms of reusable assets.
But Monty would also disappear and create a new character without telling anyone.
Also, three writers without a main show runner? Come on.
You also needed to sync with Monty’s workflow which was all local files. So showing not telling might have been arduous.
But the writers came from red v blue-they didn’t understand storyboarding. They were strong in jokes and dialogue and bro humor.
Also episodic television resets characters, the writers didn’t know that. Rick from Rick and morty reset himself after every episode; his acholicism is to support this story mechanic.
This is why shounen manga have tournament arcs. The central story question for every character converges-rather than braid.
Cowboy bebop isn’t the best story to learn from. Tragedies are really tricky.
He didn't write the details but he did make a basic outline for the story and where he wanted to go with it from what I understand.
It really feels like they meant for RWBY to be a fighting game and just didn't realize they could do that.
@@PhoenixFireZeroI mean, they kiiiinnddaa had a fighting game? That had rwby as one fourth of a crossover and was how I learned rwby existed (I don’t remember how good it was but it’s called blazblue crosstag battle if you’re interested)
“To talk about the problems with volume 4 onwards, we’d need a whole other video”
Well, don’t let that stop you
Between that and the presumably still planned video about how good Marty's work is that would be a lot of time spent on RWBY.
And yet I wo
@@madhackrviper I, too, wo.
@@madhackrviper probably won't get it with roosterteeths content Id restrictions. This video almost didn't air in its entirety because of it. Not to mention the additional time and money hbomber needed to get around any copyright claims
YES! RWBY Is Disappointing Part 2 when?
So we might see that video sometime in 2035, probably around the time fallout 5 launches
Man, RWBY would probably have benefited from having a producer who could keep everyone on task and a couple editors who do nothing but write the series bible and keep things consistent
With the closure of Rooster Teeth, I think it’s time for part 2 to finally come
Hbomberguy's Gravestone: "Death is Garbage and here's why"
Also CGP Grey’s gravestone
It has to take 2+ hours to read though, to be authentic.
It wont even be his longest video either.
No no no no. "LIFE is Garbage and here is why..."
Zombie Harry Arc is my new favorite arc.
Holy shit. Ruby as a weaponsmith would have made her so much more interesting.
it would have but the writers probably would have just forgotton about that aspect of her character
That's how I remember her as. A weapons nerd and an engineering prodigy.
Seriously, lots of team shows have a tevh specialist, but that character is never the team leader. Just that bit of a twist could have made for an interesting show, with Ruby not just engineeting cool gadgets for her friends but also analyzing their abilities and putting them together like components of a machine. You even have a natural personal conflict from that when other members of the team ferl like they're being treated as tools. Lots of potential there.
@@Malisteen I can't help but imagine that would've made the conflict between her and the.... white one... Weiss? more interesting too?
Because people like Ruby aren't usually the leader, it would be natural for Weiss to assume Ruby being the leader is a professor seeing Ruby's technical knowledge and showing favouritism, and Ruby's insistence as not knowing how to work on a team by not knowing where her strengths are weaknesses are, by subconsciously pigeon-holing Ruby based on how Weiss has seen other teams work.
And then, when Ruby shows up to be a capable leader as well, that could be a source of some insecurity since and bruised ego as Weiss struggles to find her own place in the team since she now not only is _not_ actually the best choice for what she thought she was the best at, but also doesn't know what her purpose in a team is now. (And maybe this is the part where you put the plotline of a character accepting help and growing through that to be a better team player through introspection.)
we need hbomberguy to reboot rwby into the masterpiece it could have been tbh
Interesting fact: In the video, Hbomb points out that Monty Oum was watching Dragonball Z whike editing. Takahata talked about his interactions with Monty Oum on stream, and revealed that it's specifically Team Four Star's DBZ Abridged series that Monty is watching there!
rwby could've been great but the lead writers were too busy making the plot about how much underage girls badly want to date them because of how awesome and hot they are.
And also too busy writing about how their teacher (who's old enough to be their dad) wants to bang 'em too. Oh, also, how they based this teacher on his va, an ex RT employer, who "looooved" making SA and CSA "jokes" on their streams and gameplays. Then turns out he was grooming minors in real life and using his RT celebrity status to do so. What a coincidence! 🙃
Monty dressed like an anime character all the time, and I respect that
I like the rooster teeth comics where he was always wearing an animation suit.
his fashion sense gave me a real Tetsuya Nomura vibe, which just feels so appropriate
Most impresive is that he managed to pull it off without looking cringe.
Its so cringe tho
He truly... Was a chad.