Save THOUSANDS of $$ on a Tennis Stringing Machine. What to look for before you buy.
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2:57 Tabletop vs Stand
3:57 Mounting System
6:32 Tensioner
10:47 My Secret
12:42 The Most Important Thing - Sport
Hey Mark, loved the video. Been stringing for almost 50 years so I'm and old guy. But when I was in the tennis business (Penn and Prince), I participated in and attended many stringing seminars given by Lucien Nogues who was the men's tour stringer at the time (early 80's). He is now Tennis Director for Babolat. When asked how long it should take to string a racket, he would always reply. "if you're good, about 30 minutes. If you're really good, about 40 minutes." I always kept that in mind and wonder about those who string in 15 minutes. I'm sure you weave and tie-off very quickly, but I worry about tension loss in the first couple of hours. I have had similar discussions with many musicians of stringed instruments about the same issue - how often must I keep tuning to keep the correct tension to maintain the right pitch. As you know, string continues to stretch after you clamp (the biggest complaint about crank machines). If you stall before clamping on a continuous pull machine, the tensioner will continue to pull, thus insuring reduced tension loss after clamping. I still remember Lucien pinging the two middle mains, then the next two, and the next two etc. before starting the crosses (two piece stringing), to test the tension of each pair to make sure that they matched in pitch. He was a perfectionist. I'm interested in your and other's thoughts about the time it takes to string. Thanks.
Your on the money with your comments and that confirms the importance of taking your time. Thank you 🙏
It's called creep in mechanical engineering, I think it also depends on the type of string/material
I'd like to see you do a stringing tutorial
thats what i asked on instagram yesterday
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A full tutorial would be nice!
Looking for a machine. Came to the right spot 👏Thanks Mark ☺️
Professional stringer here and our company recently purchased the Gamma Progression II ILS machine. After about 50 stringings, I'd recommend it highly. Very easy and top quality.
Yes yes yes, more string tutorials, knots, starting knots, hints, tips, weaving tutorials, measuring string, especially from a packet, I hate packets they always turn into bird's nests, give me a reel any day. Great video and I'm gonna think about investing in an electronic tensioner now over my crank. Hope you're well my man and dat hair is looking fly on the side and high, looks good. 😉
Yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes 😉
I would love a full stringing tutorial with an emphasis on knots. I feel like I struggle getting the knot to seat well and then have less confidence in the string job as a whole. Great channel by the way!
Thank you! That should be up sooner than later I hope.
Yep. Full stringing tutorial with the necessary. If possible with the crank!
Helpful. Thanks! Strung several hundred rackets on a 6 point crank machine at a pro shop in the 80s and about 50 on a two point drop weight stringer at home. Took me about 20 minutes with the crank and at least 45 minutes with the drop weight…really do need to take your time and use caution with a two point. I remember once trying to string my wooden Bancroft Borg racket at 65 #s on two point machine and almost immediately had to back the tension off to 62 pounds, fearing the racket would brake in that machine at the higher tension. It was pretty dicey even at 62 and I think I didn’t string higher than 58 pounds with that stringer after that. Years later, I’m getting back into tennis and looking for a stringer. It’s just so convenient to string your own and you can try different set ups without spending so much.
Great advice Mark! I have a 6 point Gamma with a drop weight.. will probably upgrade it to electric tensioner in future. I personally dont mind the time spent in stringing the racket on drop weight as it's quite fun and relaxing to do for now.
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Great Informative video Mark. Really considering getting my own stringing machine. This helps tremendously.
Glad I can halp!
Hi Mark, appreciate the content in this video. Would you provide suggestions for new dropweight/crank machines that are compatible with the tensioner?
I agree 100 percent your comments ! You tell it exactly as it is. I hope it helps beginner stringers and they listen to you. I have been stringing for over 50 years and just purchased what you show in your video. I bought the red gamma machine and the 2086 head and couldn't be happier. I did not need a Wilson Baiardo or higher priced electronic machine with all kinds of bells and whistles. I have also strung on pretty much all of the machines and brands over the years. I agree that one should set a budget and get good mount, clamps, tensioner and then be sure to clean clamps and do periodic maintenance. Ultimately, its practice and good technique! Thanks for a great video. Jerry
Awesome video you shared a lot of valuable knowledge.
Awesome Information and insight into chosing a stringing machine. Well done.
Thank you this was a huge help!!
Thank you this was super helpful!
thanks man. super helpful. got the 2 point out of my head!
Great video quality and information!
Your recommendation is the set up I have and does a good job albeit I bought the 6point mounting new.
im planning to buy a new tennis string machine. it hasn't been a year since i started stringing with my drop weight stringing machine and i do feel the same it takes a lot of time and tension is a a hit or a miss. Thank you for this Mark!
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Very good quality video Mark!
Thanks Christian!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mark. Please make a video on DO and Don’t. I have crank machine and been use monthly for years. I want to learn how to become a better stringer.
Thanks again Mark
More to come :)
Hi Mark, I tuned in to hear about string machines and within the first few words recognized your voice from your appearances on Ian's channel. What a nice surprise. Thanks for the tip on the machine.
I hope I gave you some info and saved you some money :).
Glad you found me!
I recently purchased a Wise 2086 electronic tensioner. Best decision hands down. It’s mounted on my Gamma 6004 6PT mounted system.
Yes, more stringing tips please! Especially knots....
More to come :)
Always looking for better ways to do things when stringing and would love to see your tips and tricks to stringing better and faster.
More to come!!!
First of all great video. Second, can you recommend a good table top stringing machine? Thanks!
I dusted off my old Klippermate a couple years ago when I got back into tennis after a very long layoff. I did upgrade to the stringway floating clamps which are worlds better than the ones the Klippermate came with. Works good for me because I only string my own racquets with good old synthetic gut. I was considering getting a Prince Neos if I ever decided to string for others since that was considered a top notch machine for many years even though it's a two point mounting system.
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I also upgraded to stringway floating clamps. The klippermate clamps were damaging the technifibre multi-filament strings.
Thank You! Awesome video!!
Glad you liked it!
Spot on advice, but I'd actually recommend a drop weight with the Wise added (instead of the crank), to save a bit of money and space. The Gamma version is great, but I slightly preferred the Alpha Pioneer DC (clamps feel a little better to me). Wise drops in with no special mods using the drop weight adapter. Add a Babolat starting clamp and you've got something wonderful. I put mine on an inexpesive Walmart microwave cart, which is the perfect height.
But that has no brakes
Great video and helped me decide on a stringer.
I am glad I can help Rob!
What did you end up buying?
@@MarkSansait I am either going with the gamma 7900, a bit more $$$ but I recently moved to Ireland and am trying to get tennis going here. This beast will be for the indoor club I am working on. Though, I would go with your exact kit if I can find the right used stringer over here.
Hi Mark, great video again! Thanks for that! I’m looking for a machine and found a good option combination with Pro's Pro Hornet + Wise 2086 Stringing. Do you recommend? Is it simple to setup up?
Hey Mark, great channel and content. You’ve always raised the quality of the ET channel too.
I was wondering if you have any experience with portable Pro Stringer machine?
I guess not.. no worries
great video. subscribed. GL and hope for many more videos
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wow. thanks so much for posting this. on their website it shows the head that pulls the string? does the part that holds the racquet also come with it and if not, where can I buy one that is affordable? Thanks and keep up all the great videos.
Awesome video! I needed this a month ago, had to watch 100 CZcams videos, could of just watched yours. Ended up with exactly what you have! Yes knots please! Thank you Mark!
If only I could go back in time....
I watch your Essential Tennis content. Thanks for the recommendations! Video would be even better if you provided recommendations based on the 3 categories individually and collectively.
Thank you for this!
I started stringing because I felt like I was more string sensitive and less racquet sensitive when it came to tennis, it's therapeutic when you have the time.. You definitely gotta dive in get a bunch of stringing under your belt but you do get better and faster.. get a process that works, try different knots, figure out a few tricks, techniques.. I'm just stringing the 'Yonex' way, always two piece but I'm probably 6-8 minutes slower than you on average still if you're in the 13-15 range, obviously some wacky strings are more challenging (slower) than others to string (full Ultra Cable in a tight pattern I'm looking at you!). Nothing beats trying new strings/hybrid combos and being able to swap em if it sucks. Great video, I like your string review videos and seeing other people's techniques who've been stringing a long azz time, there's always something new to learn or get better at.
Great detailed video explaining the basic pros and cons on different models. You mentioned you never seen a 4 or 6 point mounting system. Check out the Tremont stringer. Question able 4 point with the horizontal bar. It was my first stringing machine which I learned stringing and doesn't get more archaic than that. 😂
I meant 4 or 8 point. Sorry
Accidentally came across this video - what a surprise I have the same set up GAMMA X-6FC + Wise 2086 for 10 years. No complains whatsoever.
I have a Prince Neos crank and a Babolat Star 5 electric. The Neos is a two point mount but they are wide and I only distorted one racquet. There is a lock underneath that keeps the two points from expanding or shrinking and one time I forget to set that and ruined a racquet. I put multi color tape on it to never forget again. I do not think the Neos has a problem with distorting today's racquets. I am actually faster with the crank because I do not have to wait for the beep. But the swivel clamps on the Babolat are pretty nice. I would recommend the Neos if you need to often transport it. It is rugged. I take it apart in 3 pieces and the crank goes in a case, and in my car. I have a word of warning about the Wise. I used this with my Neos but when I bought the Star 5 I stopped using it stored it away. I was thinking of selling it and hooked it up and kept getting an error code. I sent emails and got no response. Looking at tennis forums it seems a bunch of others had the same problem. Someone mentioned that my error code was because the initial test run took too long. I played around with it, turning it on and off several times and even off in the middle of the test and eventually started working again. I think they should respond to emails.
Wonderful vid - would love to see you do stringing instruction.
Great video, not sure though if crank is really more accurate than dropweight. The dropweight applies constant pull. Many strings stretch quite a lot after reaching the tension, so the final tension using a crank will be quite a lot lower than dropweight or electronic machines.
Exactly my thinking. Historically, gravity has always been pretty consistant. I used to use crank before I got a WISE and I always thought a crank job felt terrible.
Agree here 8:25 - drop weight slower but more accurate than crank due to lack of constant pull of gravity or electronic tension head (thanks for video Mark!)
Hey @mark, Thanks for this great video. Can you tell me if I can string Badminton Racket with this combo ? I.e Gamma and Wise set up ?
Thanks a lot for this video. I wanted to kindly ask you, are you happy with the electronic tennishead sister? (2086) have you had any kind of issues? I am considering getting one but it looks rather basic. What are your thoughts? Thanks a lot :)
Im all for a high quality stringing machine and want to buy one in the future, but my $200 super simple drop weight is VERY reliable, consistent, easy to use, and has been a great investment. once you learn how to use it well, it is just as effective as anything...albeit a little slow
it IS a good investment!
Yeah a video separately on knots would be great because I feel those are the most important part of stringing a racket
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@@MarkSansait thanks man!!!
That would be nice to see. The videos floating around CZcams are old and not in HD
Yes I agree a video on the knots and how to do tie off the racquet properly.
Knots are the most important part?
More videos on the technicalities of stringing please!
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Thanks for this!
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@Mark, i took your advice and I went ahead and bought the Wise 2086 series 14 in Feb'21 to bolt on my Alpha Pioneer DC tabletop dropweight. It's an awesome combo! I've strung ~10 rackets so far. I avg ~22min and hoping to break 20min with practice.
Im glad you made the switch and I'm even gladder you're happy with it!
@@MarkSansait my only minor issue is that i don't have 360 rotation, bec/ of the drop wt adapter that raises the tentioner. My fix (for now) are two long screwdrivers (secured with electrical tape) to each side of the 2086 to prevent the racket handle from hitting the diablo/gripper. It's only for the first 4 throat mains. Otherwise it's all free flowing.
fixed my 360 issue. went to ACE hardware and got 1"x1" round metal bushing, couple of 1-1/4" washers, and 4x 2" bolts. it raised the whole mounting system by 1-1/4" enough to clear the Wise 2086. Very happy now!
Hello Mark
Do you need to buy a mounting plate adapter to install the Wise 2086 on the gamma progression II?
Is it expensive to replace parts or service the Wise tension head?
Thanks for making these vids and tutorials.
Great vid tnx, I like to know how to weave crosses fast, because it takes a log of my time. I string rackets in about an hour on dropweight, that is 20min slower then you.
Another thing I like to improve is how to set the clamps perfectly, I sometimes set it to tight and squeeze the string or worse its to loose and the string slips,.
And finally did I understand correctly that you can install an electric tensioner on your already ownded machine?
Edit: Holy shit that tennishead tensioner is sold by the store where i bought my machine with an example of my current machine and how to install it. Might do that at some point! Great tip!
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Yes a video on stringing tips would be great! I just got a klippermate as a starting machine and thinks it’s pretty good for now. Of course I only string my own rackets though.
I just got a Klippermate as well. I'm pretty happy with it so far. I was not interested in spending enough to get fixed clamps, which would be the main advantage I would see in upgrading.
Is it a floating clamp only?
@@MarkSansait yep two floating clamps
@@MarkSansait Unlike the Gamma floating clamps, the Klipper ones are just modified vice grips with metal heads on them. They seem super durable and easy to maintain, but 1. They are still floating clamps and 2. You could probably damage a multifilament or natural gut string with them.
@@stephenw_153 I have a klippermate as well but the original clamps were damaging any technifibre multi-filament string I was using. I upgraded to stringway floating clamps and that seems to have solved that problem.
and hell yes to stringing tutorials.
HELL YEAH BROTHA!
Great video, Mark! One thing I would like to add is that all drop weights ARE NOT created equal (most but not all). I've had my Stringway ML100 with T92 clamps for almost 20 years and it's incredible. Unlike almost all other drop weight machines, the lever arm on mine does not have to be perfectly level to be at the correct tension. Insert the string, drop the arm and bam...it's at the desired tension. Of course, by design it's a constant pull tensioner also.
The mounting system is awesome as well. 5 points off contact at the top and 4 at the bottom for a total of 9 points of contact supporting the racquet head during stringing.
For about $1,000 one can get a fast, constant pull machine with excellent clamps, a tensioning device that won't break down or need electricity, and the best mounting system of any machine out there (IMO of course) 👍🏻
Whoa, can you email me a pic of the 9 point system!?!
@@MarkSansait Sure. What's your email address?
Its in my "about" tab in my channel
Ya I've got the Stringway ms140 constant pull stringer. Has the same mounting system as yours but uses a spring for tension. Very good stringing machine.
My old Gamma 4000 machine is a 4-point mount! three at the head and one at the throat! Also the Biardo L is amazing I just got it and with Christmas deals it was half the price of the Biardo... its basically the same machine 90% or so of it.
Awesome to hear
ayyyy. i was gonna ask u this exact question!!! 👍🏼 👌🏻
i asked him on instagram
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My high school tennis coach taught me how to string a tennis racket and I used the cheapest of equipment 20 years ago. Now that I am playing tennis again, I hope I still remember how to string a racket.
This is awesome!
YOU'RE AWESOME
Hi mark, I'm looking to get into stringing and wondering what is the best stringing machine for a beginner
New subscriber here - love this channel's direction and content. Question: are you being a little too hard on two point mounting systems? Prince NEOS 1000 have been the gold-standard of lock-out machines for decades. If I am not mistaken, Tennis Warehouse does or did use them to string all their customer frames. Thanks, Mark! I look forward to future videos and I am excited to see where this channel goes.
Honestly I just hate how I see the racket frame literally bend on a 2 point mounting system when I pull tension
@@MarkSansait I would prefer to see the hoop "breath" rather than see it crush against one of the extra 4 mountain points. I had a racquet once that started to crush against one. Scared the shit out of me. Never used a 6 point mounting system after that and have never had any issue with 2 point mounting systems.
@@a2casius well said. 6 makes sense as a reactionary thought, but when you consider that the racquet has no room to shift at all, it’s only option is to break.
HI Mark, have you heard and what do you think of the Pro's Pro stringing machines?
I've got a Klippermate that I've used twice. Two point mount. Living dangerously, I s'pose. Well, I guess I'll wear my welding gear when I restring. I'll bet I can add the electric later?
Cheers!
Hey Marc,i just bought the siboasi s213,do u now the machine and what are your thoughts comparising it to your machine.Well hoor u keep making video,s of your stringing skills.High from Holland.Gr Jeroen.
I've been using the KlipperMate for a few years now, just doing rackets for my kids and myself. The pros at my club have been impressed (once I stopped making mistakes) with the results. It is slow though - takes me about 70 minutes at a steady pace. Didn't know about the breakage risk though... that might save you thousands of $$$ on medical bills.
I have done over a thousand racquets on a Prince Neos and I guess that is two point. No racquets ever exploded. I did distort one once after forgetting to set the lock. I did that once, only once.
Good video, im moving from a drop weight to the wise (conversion). I picked up a pros pro table top stand and its bolted down, so its the same as a stand up now.
You are terrible using a drop weight if it takes you 40 mins. Did you not have a gripper or something?
Drop weights provide a bit of prestreching when you drop it twice. You just have to move the gripper down to remove the slack on the 2nd drop. I prefer them over the crank.
You didnt mention how nice the foot pedal is on the Wise 2086. Its like having a third arm.
I was breaking springs on my drop weight lately, they are very hard to replace. Part is available but its very hard to put on. Ive done two and that is enough, i love the foot pedal anyways. Used to string pro on a bab star
I don't understand the extra time quoted for using a drop weight. It looks like each pull takes about 5 -10 seconds longer than on a crank so in total that would add up to only around 5 minutes extra. What am I missing?
I broke the spring on my machine but I discovered I was able to reuse it by simply bending a new right angle at the end. It had snapped near one end so doing this didn't make it significantly shorter.
i got that same machine set up! works great
Amazing value too!
Which one is it exactly? Gamma Progression II?
@@sebastianrecht4800 yes!
The Eagnas machine I've got is a 4 point system 😖😖 can't wait to upgrade it.... 4-point mounting system with glide bar clamps
Yes do videos on how to weave fast and do knots well.
Will do!
Wanna see awesome weaving? google “ one handed stringing” . Young guy at a tennis shop out in Cali weaving faster with one hand than most pros do. Amazing.
If you are buying now, buy 6 mount point which is a new design machine. Consider price point you should buy 6 pt or 4 pt mount. He is trying to scare you about 2 pt machine, like saying "airplane crashes so you should not fly airplane".
I tested drop weight 55=50, 70=66,30=29
I already have a Klippermate drop weight since 90's. You have to know "string mechanics" which is taught in university mechanical engineering 300-400 level.
I'm trying to string 🧵 under 20 lbs. Clipper not helping
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@@ThetennisDr you can hook on a spring of 20 lb on the other end. Some custom work is needed.
Just strung up both my racquets using a 2 decade old klippermate drop weight stringer my buddy gave me for 0$. It does a fantastic job as long as you know how to use it. The most important thing is knowing what you're doing. I've paid for stringing and gotten worse results from professional machines used by amateur stringers. The stringer is the most important part, not the machine.
I have a wilson Baiardo machine and its the best machine to string on as stated by Mark. I had it for 10 years now.
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I bought the gamma progression recently. Probably the cheapest on the market and works great! I think I could do a job in 30 minutes if everything went smoothly. Also a much better job than the stringers in my area, they stink.
I'm considering getting the Gamma Progression II. It's 310€ here in Europe. How much did you get yours and from where (if Europe)?
Great tip on the surge protector if you leave it plugged in during a hurricane. $6 vs $650
Hey Mark!! Great video we would buy a stringing machine but sadly don't have the storage space
😭. I hope you can find a local stringer!
@@MarkSansait yes there's loads in our area but costly because we broke at least once a week but train a fair amount so all adds up
Get a tabletop model!
I think you're exaggerating the breaking of frame aspect on a 2 pt mounting system. I think it's a rare occurrence and only happens if the racquet is in very bad shape. The local pro at our club prefers a 2 pt machine and he strings many racquets all year long. He says the 6 pt mounts frequently get in the way and slow him down.
Would you recommend a Eagnas 940 Flex tennis stringer machine? Pros and Cons for a newbie to stringing?
Hi mark, interested in buying a machine and see a 6 point crank in my area that I’m thinking about checking out. Are there any red flags I should specifically be aware of when looking at it? I understand there are plenty of parts and some cost more than others to replace so I just wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Thank you
I use Wise tensioner for tennis and badminton and it works really well. I only string for myself and friends.
Ohhhh, badminton!
@@MarkSansait I took up on tennis when playing badminton become impossible due to covid......now i wish i started years ago. Do you play badmin?
I've only played one time in high school gym class, its pretty natural for me though given my tennis background!
What are your thoughts on the Gamma Progression ll ELS electric stringing machine? Please keep the advice coming!
I have never used the Gamma Progression ll ELS - but I just did take a look at it...
The electric part of it looks.... bulky. I would much rather use the electric head tensioner after buying a crank IMHO.
Yes, please do a knots video
Will do!
Yes I need a knot video
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I think I commented about this on another one of your videos. I had a Progression ST II with the crank and was planning to upgrade to the ELS model. Instead, I bought the Wise 2086, saving about $700 in the process, so now have the exact same setup as in this video. I've been using it now for about a month and have strung about 20 racquets with it. It was life-changing over the crank machine!! It is perfectly calibrated and works great. I'm very happy with it and even happier saving the dough. One thing to point out to you that you may not have noticed. The bolts that hold the Gamma adaptor plate to the main rail have a tendency to loosen up after a few string jobs, probably from the pulling torque and vibration of the tension head moving back and forth. I recommend putting a little BLUE Loctite (242) (NOT RED!) on those bolts and tighten them back up. Problem solved.
Awesome!
Mine have not loosened up at all :)
@@MarkSansait Cool. Just something to check periodically... but it's a great setup..
Love my klipprmate
Please do a knot vid. And tension for the last strings. I feel like I’m losing tension even with Parnell knots I must not be doing it right.
Will do!
I know this video is old, but I wanted to note that there is another type of tension head that is less common: pneumatic. I have a Prince MP100 that is old, and is a 2-point mounting system, but it was almost free (
Knots, absolutely! :)
How can I KNOT do a video on Knots? LOLLLL
@@MarkSansait I don't think you KNOT, you're KNOT the type
Any experience with the Prince NEOS 1000 stringer? There is one nearby at $900 which includes all accessories as well. I’ve strung on a Gamma with electronic tensioning back when I worked at Dick’s sporting goods, but that’s my only experience stringing. Took me ~30 min a racquet.
I’ve heard that a 2 point mount is better because it allows the racquet to move whereas the 6 point holds the racquet so rigid that it has to break, rather than shift.
Isn't allowing the racket to flex past a certain point a bad thing?
A small line level zip tied on the end of a drop weight stringer arm dramatically improves tension accuracy and repeatability.
Great tip!
More stringing videos please
Yeah could you do a video on how to string?
I tried to look in the comments, but couldn't find it. What is the best table top crank machine in your opinion?
You hit 2k subs!
Should I take 2,000 shots on livestream tonight?
Thanks Mark, this was very informative! I'm curious, is stringing racquets a good way to make extra money? I've never strung a racquet, but find stringing racquets fascinating. Would appreciate your feedback.
It's AMAZING money.
1) you save money by stringing your own and being a smarter consumer for tennis strings
2) if you can find people to string for you can make money at home in PJs, no shirt, and drinking a beer
@@MarkSansait Sweet, thanks! I'm curious, do you enjoy stringing? Do you find it meditative?
Meditative and relaxing!
@@nikol7951 I think Mark is overselling it by a lot when he says it’s “amazing money”. It depends a little on your ability to market yourself and a LOT on the area you live in. If you don’t live in a big tennis community, you’re not going to have a lot of clients. And even if you did, I’ve never heard of a person (even one who strings full-time) saying it’s amazing money. I guess I’m just advising against running out and buying a Baiardo as you first machine thinking you’ll pay for it in a few months of stringing.
@@ViaticalTree Thank you for your additional feedback, it's much appreciated. Do you string yourself, and what's your experience with it?
I am not sure if this is a little late 2 years after the release, but...
...aren't the clamps essential as well? I strung with my stone age drop weight machine, and I can assure you that floating clamps suck.
Or do all machines come with mounted clamps anyway these days?
The real problem of two mount point machine is the racquet can move laterally when you string cross, that might be what he refered as it can break racquet. In reality, not that bad. (think of "force on only one side of point contact"). I wouldn't say drop weight 2 pt mount machine is good. That is what I have. If I buy today that would be hand crank 4 or 6 pt mount machine, due to the cost benefit.
Good advice.
Your hair looks cool, more natural than anyone else 😂