What I like about Scott is that he approaches things completely unbiased. SCOTT: "It could be related to the amount of bugs ..." (4:28) ALSO SCOTT: "It's not even the games fault itself, it's the community" (4:48)
But then they boot up for the next game lmao. Player base isn’t that much lower, they’re having brief moments of insight them immediately back into the Stockholm-esque psychosis
My guess is the abhorrent amount of stuttering within the game at the moment. I haven't played the new patch yet but every single clip I've seen in the last few days is someone teleporting every couple feet
To me this video gave survivor ship bias. We only see one perspective (Scott) of one of those survivor’s matches. We don’t even get to see their end of what they see, or feel. We don’t even know if they had the epileptic clouds of mist that keep occurring even outside of the basement for people. I just think this gotta be scrapped. I could see if it was a major healthy patch with no bugs, and you personally see more DCs. But come on. One of the worst patches since the Twins update overall, and we ask “Why DC???” 😂. Like… 7.7.0 has been smooth for you? I’d love that luxury if so.
Played a match last night where my movement was fine until my last hook and I just couldn't stop jittering EVERYWHERE. Just gave up after the gates were powered because there was zero chance of me making distance even if I tried. I'd never felt betrayed by a game bug before in my life.
@@Keygentlemen Ohh but that’s not a “big problem” is it? Just play the game or play a different one. Don’t give up when the game makes things impossible for you. It’s not the devs fault, it’s ours COMRADE 🤣! I’m being sarcastic. That’s obviously bad. But everyone forgetting the insane flashing fog everywhere that can give mfs seizures… Even outside the basement. As if that won’t make anyone DC 😭. Survivor ship bias ain’t no JOKE.
To add some context, I noticed bugs, rubberbanding, and stuttering right at the start of matches. Someone giving up right at the start could be them feeling demoralized from the get-go, knowing the frustrating experience they're about to face due to the ongoing bugginess of the latest patch that has been hardly addressed. At this point, I think BHVR should have rolled back this entire patch. I doubt it has much, if anything, to do with pips, though that might be a factor.
They shouldn’t have done a twins patch at the same time as moving to unreal engine 5. Twins chapter is notorious for being one of, if not THE, buggiest chapters ever released. Should’ve expected it to be a problem when it got updated. The stress of going to UE5 also would have predictably caused issues. These updates should have staggered and then maybe there wouldn’t have been so many problems. Alas all we can do now is hope they fix the problems soon
I don't think they would even be able to run back the Patch since they didn't just touch Twins, but also switched Engines from UE4 to 5. Both of these things can cause many issues and BHVR is not able to deal with them it seems.
I used to be like that. Break out of the habit. Find a game that brings you joy. Theres more games than you can play in your lifetime and that time is too precious to waste it on a game you hate playing.
@@piley1132 Oh i've already started and quitted TCM. Could endure it for about a month until i was done with it. Not because i necessarily hated it but there just wasn't much to it IMO.
@@larsliamvilhelm Gameplay is fun but so many bugs. Lobby simulator right now and they blame it on family dcing and looking into it from that perspective which will probably lead to dc penalties even though people know its a backfill issue. Gun media not taking any accountability for their mistakes that have being in the game from day 1. Egleast dbd knows how to organise lobbies correctly in a timely matter
doing gens is only tolerable when you have a clear chance at winning, they become nauseating immediately when you know you're just playing out a snowball. While much of the problem can be chalked up to Xx__loopLord__xX simply being a pissbaby, again I think it's just as much survivors being wary of wasting time in a snowball.
Generally people give up when they think they're either not having fun or are about to be denied the chance to have fun, so they bail. Not every person, but generally. So presumably the experience isn't what they wanted.
The main factor of being denied the chance to have fun is that most survivors have a better chance of winning the lottery than making a comeback in solo queue.
If you only have fun when you win, you should find a different hobby. In pretty much any competitive game, the "ideal" winrate for the average player is 50%. There's gotta be other hobbies you could spend your time on where you have fun more than 50% of the time.
@@RisenSlash You completely misinterpreted my comment. I did not remotely imply that I only have fun if I win. I'm saying that if there's an extremely low chance that my team will succeed from a bad start then it ruins the fun. I love playing pick-up basketball. I wouldn't spend my afternoon playing if I knew the teams would be 5 out-of-shape casuals vs 5 collegiate athletes. Last weekend my solo queue team finished 3 gens before the Oni got his first hook and the Oni managed a tremendous comeback with his Wrath. It was my most memorable game despite losing.
I get that, but in doing so, it immediately makes the match everyone else's problem. Just quit the match the way God intended and give your three teammates the decency of a bot
I'm not sure why you're telling me this because I never mentioned rage quitting on hooks. I was explaining to the other guy that once a competition becomes too lopsided that it becomes uninteresting and not fun to a lot of players. I agree with you that 3 man + bot is the better outcome.
@@Rye-jl2fk I want to take a break but there's so much FOMO from events to new tomes every month and a half. If I stop playing I miss out on rare items. If you miss out you have to wait a whole year and either pay money or a ton of blood shards.
@@memelord8492 When I got burnt out of ow and stop playing it for years, there were lots of events I missed. I never cared about them, and eventually even stopped knowing which events happened when. If you don´t like the game and stop playing, there´s no need for the items. Even if you come back in the end like I did, there´s so many items you may not even know what you´re missing out. You still have the itmes you got before, and the more new items they add the rarer your old items will be to see, so they get more value when you decide to come back.
@@memelord8492 The first step to win against FOMO is to just ignore it. If you live playing DBD just because you're missing stuff believe me you could be doing something better/more fun for you.
I played dbd for over 7 years and 4000 hours and the community and especially the devs have no idea which way they want to take dbd. It's sad but BHVR's been pretty adamant about their "new chapter every 3 month" policy being their number one priority, and there REPEATED proving of the fact that they don't even play their own game makes it really hard to ever want to play dbd these days. Sorry fellas but the Chucky patch was their last hurrah. Even if they got more licensed killers or survivors it's obvious that they never have a concrete plan or priorities because 1/2 of the things they put in a roadmap get delayed, changed, scrapped, or they do it, realize how dumb it is, then walk back on it and nothing gets done. It's a never ending cycle and I don't intend to stay in it. I still haven't finished TLOZ: Tears of the Kingdom and the Elden Ring DLC drops in less than 2 months. I have games GALORE available to me that have HEAPS more love and passion put into it than this shitshow.
Some people haven't come to terms that they do not longer love this game. I felt like DCing every first game of the day for a week before something even happened in game and that's when I realised I should just quit the game. Now I enjoy playing other games and I think that others who feel this way should try out other games as well.
Nothing worse than loading into a match in solo queue and realizing that due to factors completely out of your control, you're doomed to lose and even if you play it out, you'll end up with 10k BP at most. Personally I'd point to a lot of killer changes that at the very least make that side a lot more consistent (Meta slowdown builds, etc), with solo queue still being as miserable as day one, aside from the action indicators, which in some cases just tell you that nobody's doing gens during your 3 minute chase. Demoralization isn't a stat that's easily tracked, but definitely feel this is the closest we can get to a solid indicator.
@@MrVIrginiaLUV The demoralization factor isn't difficulty, it's seemingly random "handicaps" you're forced to work with. Chess against a grandmaster bot is difficult, chess where there's a chance half your pieces explode at the start of the match, then being told to play it out, is demoralizing.
@@westcoast9158 Yes, but that's a part of queueing up with random folks from a side of the community that doesn't take this game as more than anything than casual. They want to be able to joke around, hide, escape every match, do tome stuff or whatever. Which personally, I think is the mode for that. I dont play Solo Queue Survivor for that exact reason, I already know what to expect, so I don't entertain it. I wish folks would only count playing with friends as a way to play DBD, Solo que will always be a horrid experience because you have to depend on random people to work for more than just themselves. I've learned from OW2 and NBA 2K, that players just dont care about the team, only their own fun or goals during the game. I stopped playing 2K, and I'm close to ending my OW2 career as well. Teamwork is foreign to a lot of people, which is funny because we all work a job where we are a part of a team in some way or form. I think BHVR should stop focusing on Solo Que, and balance the game around SWFs. Solo is a lost cost, and hurts Killers due to over nerfing strats, powers and perks due to Solo Que players getting left to dry by teammates who DC or just stop playing.
@@MrVIrginiaLUV Right but that's the reason why giving up is so common. A casual player isn't going to commit to a match that's less fun (being slugged, tunneled, bled out because perk combo/build) and less rewarding (no pip/lack of depipping, less BP) *and* more time consuming/draining, over just going next and pulling the slot machine handle over and over again. The problem is less that people want to escape every match, and more that their fun and time investment is dictated by other people's, seemingly at random and at the drop of a hat.
@@westcoast9158 Then why play? I don't get why folks want to play a game, but not put in the work to get better or learn to work as a team in said game. I don't understand why casuals think they should be able to queue into a game mode full of randomness, and expect to escape or have any type of fun. If you're casual, why even care about wins and losses if you're not investing time at getting better or earning or buying better perks? Why should the game bend to their will just because they wanna play around? They can still play around, but that's not enough, they want to win and that's not fair to people who put the time in, or the money.
I don't give up, but I just play much much less. They removed every skill expression in the game and I'm not even talking about blight hug tech. Billy gets overdrive because he missed his chainsaw on a survivor 4 times: "oh, you got outplayed 4 times? Here, take this buff to every single power stat". Chucky takes no skill whatsoever to play, trickster is now 4.6 (doesn't need to be smart about wind ups on loops) and needs to miss 36 knives out of 44 to not take a health state, xenomorph is a lose lose situation (at least there's some kind of skill expression with the arc tail thing). Huntress is super forgiving with faster windup and so many hatchets without giving up on an addon slot. They've been going on a mindless direction, there's no skill expression anymore, you don't feel like you outplayed your enemy as a killer and you don't get rewarded for the right plays as survivor. This is boring, people are frustrated and the slightest inconvenience bothers them.
I very much agree with this now, bhvr are tending to newer players instead of the ones who actually understand the game. I understand wanting new players to stay but getting rid of your older players for newer ones is just a stupid idea. No one will love dbd more than all the players who have endured the mess that is dbd for years now.
I think the answer is more in the middle: a game should be easy to pick, but deep enough to get mastered to add replayability. The feeling of learning something new and adding new tools and stuff to your basic notions everyday. I make the example of me with Tekken 8 (even if I took a break from it): I picked up Nina, started with the basic combos, bad defense. Now I'm a bit more defensive and try to play for punishes, frame traps, mindgames with my moves and command grabs. I'm still at a low level, but it's a higher level than yesterday: I learnt something and I want to learn more by keep playing. This is how playing some killers felt before, or even some survivor stuff. Like, a game shouldn't be "only for veterans" or it never grows, but it also shouldn't be too easy to pick up with no deep mechanics to explore, learn and master in the long time.
@ PriestPoppy Well-said. Overwhelming majority of player base is solo queue, and they continue to make tone deaf buffs to killer; removing counterplay, and making it insufferable for solo survivor
this has been going on WAAAAAy longer than since the engine update. its been an ongoing occurrence imo since the sweeping changes to all perks nerfing survivor staples. its probably ramped up now but ive had people d/c in games for over a year now
it's been slowly ramping up since SBMM. hardcore players band together in SWF, reducing the quality of players you would find in solos, which makes it a frustrating experience...which means the player either only plays with SWF or just quits the game. just a death spiral for the game.
I'm going to guess that there's a feeling of spiteful jadedness that relates heavily to certain killers. Anything that's "not fun", "uncounterable", "sweaty" - bearing in mind, the opinions on each of these vary. Obvious, but then two key points I'll add to this: One is that it can carry across games. I think having killers like Skull Merchant and 4-slowdown Blights around can make someone more likely to become annoyed *next* game as well as their current one. Second, it's very possible that the Twins rework kind of caused this stuff to hit a tipping point. There's now so many killers on the roster that have been left in a less fun state that people are carrying their ire across their whole night. A third thought is, continuing off of this frustration could be a group of players that feel they can't have fun (fun being flashlight saves and dumb techs that make it big on Twitch) against good killers. So, they're now more frequently trying to smurf their MMR so they can go against baby Huntresses. I admit, though, that last theory doesn't really tie into timing very well.
Things like this can snowball. Once people start seeing other people quiting fast and ruining 3 games in a row, they will also be more likely to do the same. The bugs are really annoying and the pip system change were probably the trigger and then it snowballed. It will probably get better right after they fix these nasty bugs.
this is true. doesnt help that pretty much every killer released in the past couple years (except for unknown) is considered dc worthy by most. it started with wesker, mostly because you saw him every game, but 2 years later, more people are dcing than ive ever seen, aside from the few times penalties have been disabled.
Every game at high mmr is absolute hell. When you play survivor, you get tunneled, camped and slugged. When you play killer you get gen rushed, go against uncounterable meta such as FTP and Buckle Up.
I haven't been doing this as survivor, but I've been equally as miserable with the way killers are playing lately. It really feels like every match is tunnelling at five gens or camping. It might be that some survivors are so upset that they take it out on the next killer. Kind of an "If I don't get to have fun then neither do you" mentality.
I honestly feel like a lot of people are just burnt out or no longer have fun in DbD BUT refuse to touch any other game because they've put so much time into DbD that they refuse to let it go and try other games. I like to think about it like this putting so much money into your car but it keeps breaking down but you think I already put so much money into this car that I'll keep putting money into it to get it fixed instead of buying a whole new car.
The problem is hope. If people lose hope in being able to prevail most people would rather leave to a more favorable match. To fix this, the game needs a form of adaptive difficulty to allow for both sides to have a degree of hope If they are badly losing.
it’s literally just because people don’t want to against killers that are not fun to fight against, when i play oni, no one kills themselves, if i try skull merchant, i cant get a single game where someone doesn’t kill themselves
As someone who mainly plays survivors even before the pip change me and my duo would get just as many and it sucks. the mentality is mostly "idk how to counter this killer or don't like this killer so i'm giving up"
It's really simple - DbD in soloq is not a team game. There is zero reason to help your team when 90% of the time they actively work with the killer to lose you the match.
The fact that people don't get that this it's a team pvp game it's almost upsetting. It's like "I want to log in and just do nothing". Bruh don't play the game lmao I always played solo, holy smokes this player base just sucks and sucks hard too.
@@JustLuminal EXACTLY I can't tell you how many times we've been 2 hooked because one of us is in chase, on the hook and our team just says "fuck them"
Wraith has a reputation of being the most toxic killer AND the most tryhard killer in terms of the behavior of your average main. I know the second I see a wraith I just assume I am going to get hard tunneled, hit on hook, and perhaps even 'teabagged' (the humping thing) and he's gonna run 4 gen slowdown perks and play like his entire family will be executed if he doesn't 4k. Even if you don't do it, almost all other Wraith players do so you will be treated like you're one of them even if you aren't. It's guilty until proven guilty with Wraith. Same shit as a frosty eyes Trapper. That's my best explanation. TL;DR - Wraith mains are some of the most irredeemable degenerates in the game, and if you play Wraith you will be assumed to be one of them. Anecdotally, this shit hasn't been happening to me and I play fucking LEGION of all characters. I have no explanation for people DCing against anything other than Wraith except Plague who is an accessibility issue. I have emetophobia and I cannot play against plague because there is no accessibility toggle to make her vomit not cause me myself to vomit. If it was like, rainbow confetti vomit and it didn't make the vomit noise it'd be fine.
This is true, most of the Wraiths I go against are the biggest dicks in the game. If I hear that Wraith going invisible sound, I get ready for the hit and run crap or the hard tunnel/proxy at 5 gens and the EZ in the EGC lol.
My brother in Christ... People are giving up against me when not doing anything obnoxious even when I play as GHOSTFACE. A bloody GHOSTFACE. It even once happened when I downed someone as Smolface too (for those who don't know, smolface is weak meme build where you can only move or hit survivors while crouching, which you do an entire game). And that was happening even before the depip change. This can´t be it, there must be something else in play. I don´t believe it is because of the Wraith. At least when in most cases. Besides, Scott himself in that video said that he wasn´t playing only wraith.
Actually Wraith are often good players. BUT, it’s also a character used by players that want to “bully” players for no reason(cringe). If he downs you and it shows the perk “knock out” you know it’s a bad player trying to take advantage of solo Q to slug everyone
@@eliasar5051 anything stealth makes me want to go next, doesn't matter what ghost face build u're using, stealth is boring to play against for alot of players.
its kind of unrelated, but the amount of just awful awful things to go against seems to only ever increase, back when i remember having the most fun with dbd the most frustrating things were, nurse and gen grab spirit basically everything else it felt like you individually in chase had a real meaningful impact. All the killers up to oni's release are so much more fun to face than the ones after him (Exceptions being wesker, "sometimes" blight, unknown) It feels like a switch got flipped in their design, the amount of killers that put you in situations where there is no way you can actually outplay them you *will* get hit, it might be slow, but its innevitible or they have gameplay styles that bore you to tears. I know it sound like rose tinted glasses, but i find the first half of the killer releases so much more fun, since most of them have to do something "fair" to get you. If i get hit by a hatchet, i can reasonable come up with a play i could have made to avoid it, or avoid doctors shock, get a stun on plague during her power, play safe during onis power etc etc etc, if skull merchant drops a drone, im shit out of luck if there isn't a connected tile
Instead of changing the fundamental problems with the game, they tack counters onto it in the form of killers and perks. The maps have always been dogshit so that's why everyone puts you in lose/lose setups now.
ur 100% right. honestly if it werent for unknown giving me hope for future releases id have probably quit the game altogether. theyre trying to hit the numbers they want in average kills by mitigating skill. ur bad at the game? play SM! play Chucky! dont play nemesis, xeno is just better!
If the killer succesfully tunnels someone out of the match before the second gen pops. I'm out sorry. You want the win that bad; take it. I dont want to prove a miraculous come back in a highly doomed game. Especially if it's an anti looper. This lately happens a lot . I'm probably tanking mmr and find the killers i go against aren't fantastic but it's the teammates that are drooling. Can't run the killer for shit, can't evade, go for trades or hookbomb into tunelling and play risky dead on hook yet can't justify it. I think the problem is there just isn't killers that are terrible enough for my teammates to ever win. They know not to chase me until I'm last and even when I'm gen jockey the chase durations of my teammates are tiringly short. Perhaps I need to try harder but most of the time I don't get chased and the killer knows to leave. I almost never see someone who can actually run the killer. I go into every game like I go into league of legends. I intend to win until it's clear it's an ff. Dbd has a great surrender mechanic therefore I use it.
Hard agree. I meet a sadistic killer (or survivor team, for that matter), I'm not motivated to outdunk them. I'd rather just make it as boring as I can for them and throw the game to move on as soon as possible.
This is actually so true. I have 4K hours in the game, I am average and can hold my own, yet chases for others end in 5 secs and we all lose because it's like blood in the water when killer mains see a bad player. They tunnel them out and the match is a 3v1 at 4 or 3 gens which is unwinnable if you're a half-decent killer. You get caught in elo hell and your MMR goes into the toilet and it's an endless series of low-skilled teammates.
Just because maybe "you" don't tunnel, etc. doesn't mean the mass majority of killers don't. Survivors get tired of seeing pop and pain res. on every killer, constant top killers with busted add-ons, someone getting tunneled out 90 percent of the time EVERY match, etc. it gets boring. So if survivors can't enjoy the game they make sure killers can't either, simple.
because it’s so hard to have fun as survivor now, like looping is ass and randoms are usually trash, we are losing our counters to hardcore tunneling, and scummy tactics.
Greenville has the most insanely inept design I've seen in a while despite its comparatively simple layout. 3-4 utterly dogshit pallets right on top of each other so the survivor can't actually get away but the killer gets annoyed as hell in the process of landing that hit.
@@Keygentlemen literally, all pallets are unsafe now and they lowered the map size and amount of pallets. i people are confused we why are all leaving games. The only reason i keep queueing is because I want the game to be fun like it was in the past but nothing last forever i guess, it’s just that the thought of putting dbd down and not considering it as a game i can play anymore is sad to me.
People are getting tired of hit through windows far away, tunneled , and looping is ass due to every killer running bamboozle and pellet immune stun perk with all these unsafe loops. (Forgot the name ) If they remove bloodlust I think many would come back.
The only time I've ever instantly given up and DCed, was against a hook-camping Ghostface. He would hide just out of the anti-face-camp zone and would 99 stalk survivors, then would down them for an easy "trade", he did this with everyone until they were on death hook. Then he left everyone slugged for two minutes, tbagging everyone. -_- So while I don't support people going "next" on first hook or down, I certainly understand why.
I’m guilty of this quite often. I’m a survivor main. And I have been frustrated with this game for a long time. All ranged attacks seem to hit me even when it’s clearly a miss. Or being hit through a window after I’ve taken two steps. I keep playing the game because every once in a while I have a fun match. And honestly, I really have nothing else to play.
@@Vulgar_Worlock They didn't even update it the way they said they were. It's now 15m, instant, with a 30 second CD, and inflicts blindness for 3 seconds. None of those numbers are typos. It makes survivors next to you scream, and gives them blindness for about as much time as it takes to... scream.
@@arcarc2663 I have to assume that an actual physical battle is taking place in BHVR's office over exactly what state the perk should be in at any given moment
I think its because survivors dont even bother playing if the killer has any sort of advantage, because survivor is abysmal right now unless you're on comms with people
Bro ppl cry to much. Even with the huda that survivors can see who s doing gen etc they still crying like cmon😂 its always something survivors are crying about
Because the amount of anti looping killers has significantly increased,it has been tremendously made much easier to snowball,stomping solos is rampant like a plague. IDK where BHVR gets only 60-65% KR because in my last 30 games as solo or duo the KR was over 80%
Honestly, the only solution to making players actually want to play out even the slightest inconveniences is a ranked gamemode where disconnecting has a visual effect on your ranking, would probably make games feel more challenging and less hopeless for both sides too, it gives players a reason to play the game more and actually try to win the rough games instead of giving up
Honestly, the stuttering aside, i noticed alot more "BS" hits on both sides, sometimes i hit people over pallets when i was nowhere near them and same happens to me, and other times i missed an M1 on survivors medium vaulting windows All the little bugs in the game just pile on together and alot of people just dont want to deal with alot of it
I don't know, if there is no DC penalty then no games will be played at all, because whenever killer or survivors see the other using an annoying build or having an obnoxious playstyle they just leave and go to the next one. If however only survivors shouldn't get a DC penalty because them leaving doesn't end the game that's arguably even worse because then killers are just on the reciving end of survivor BS unless they have a strong start then they get to kill bots.
3k hour survivor main who mostly plays soloq, plenty of reasons I do it a fair bit, DBD is such an unserious game I don't think its a problem. - Taking a chase for 2-3 mins getting hooked and then the killer somehow downs out 1-2 players on your team before you've been on hook 5 seconds - Getting hooked and simply seeing the 3 other survivors too far away / not doing gens - Ranged killers aren't fun 50/50 every pallet, huntress hitboxes. Good ones will just bait ability and m1, FUCK XENO - Anti Loop killers (Artist, Knight, Skull Merchant) get better at killer movement and mindgames instead of playing antiloop killers - Taking a hit because of bad ping regardless of how winnable the game was - Survivors didn't head nod back The idea that survivors kill themselves because a game is unwinnable makes no sense to me you cant go into soloq as survivor wanting to escape. Its about how much fun you have before you die usually. Survivor is so much less fun nowadays it became less about the chase, killers have too many tools to get downs with 0 counter play, I believe the essence of this game is the m1 stalk chase you down killer key word "chase", Jason(Trapper), Freddie, Michael, Pig, Bubba, Ghostface etc... the direction they took with ranged, antiloop killed survivor fun imo, its fine to help counter SWF gen rushers but most of the new killers are so boring to play against. I actually like what they did with Unknowns ranged ability though and think ranged killers should have something more like that, can still be annoying but its way more playable.
"- Survivors didn't head nod back" 😭😂 Top1 reason! And yea, fuck xeno. But I have to admit putting aside huntress hitboxes I like playing against huntress
The moment I read “survivor main” I also think of “entitled piece of sh&t” because nobody normal would write a monologue of rules made up by themselves. The only reason I would leave a match is if survivors are doing literally nothing
I've only played 2 matches since the new patch and DC'd on the first chase of both because it was unplayable (lag/stuttering) So I went into a bot lobby to tinker with graphics. Eventually I turned off shaders and put every setting to low, and I still had noticable framerate issues. Gave up playing after that, now I'm waiting and hoping they fix whatever needs fixing.
I feel like the DBD community has like a morale meter that shifts every so often, the game could even be working but people just feel less like willing to stick to it for any reason. Usually its the response to patches / updates, bugs, or metas, so I am unsure why (besides bugs) it would be going on this time.
I honestly don’t know what killer you could even play to make everyone happy. Some people find weak killers boring, some don’t like strong killers or perks or play styles. It’s hard to do a test on this when people get mad about EVERYTHING.
It's much much less of the killer played and more about the skill and perk choices. A nurse perkless is better than a nurse with lethal. A nurse alone ont trigger anything. it's the op perk combos that makes it too much.
True about the people getting mad about everything. I posted a clip of the rubber banding problem on Hawkins and ofc the crybaby survivor mains were mad I had no hooks while everyone had two. I cannot control how the killer plays and he was smart to go after the weakest links who seemed new at the game and ignored me or dropped chase whenever he saw me.
Speaking as someone who forces out like 80% of my games. It’s simply I’m not having fun in the game. But I wanna play to earn my rewards or like challenges. So I just leave. And 100% I would leave and give a bot if there wasn’t a pen.
I had a match as Pyramid Head in The Game and after ONE DOWN within a few seconds of the match (because I had lethal), the person wanted to give up, which then made other teammates gave up.
Yeah lethal is my number one perk to give up against. If the game JUST started and I don't even have sight of a gen there's no point. I typically run distortion but my team rarely ever does then the moment you down them too fast there gone. Those moments when I didn't have distortion and that happend to me I completely understood. "If there this cracked out from the start I don't want to see the end"
I think its because most people who are suiciding on hook really don't need to win. Like they don't need the BP as much, they aren't chasing top rank because there is no rank reward aside from BP (which they dont need). One other thing you have to take into account is what has that person experienced before entering your match? For all we know, they got downed on first hook and left to die, they got camped/tunneled, or maybe its their first game back and they got downed instantly.
"One other thing you have to take into account is what has that person experienced before entering your match?" This isn't talked about enough. We tend to assume everyone is at 100, so to speak, or at least whatever level we're on at the time. But if I just finished a game where I would've escaped if the game didn't cuck me with a movement bug? You'd better believe my patience for the game is going to drop. Then you get shit like that back to back, and the frustration piles on, but that just makes some people try harder to "finally" get into a "good game". And this is just a game with SO much annoying bullshit on both sides of the coin, I imagine few people truly have the patience to sit through all of it. DbD is simply tiring. That's the word I'd use. I feel fatigued playing this game, even just in the menus.
Bro! Everytime I take a break and come back I always get the most cracked out killer. I've been found and downed before I even had visual on a gen. (Nurse with lethal) I typically run distortion but I tried to switch it up for one match. I'll never remove distortion again.
@@staremind4 It's more like the joke where a guy twists himself up into a pretzel and says "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" and the doctor replies "okay, then just stop doing that"
Most of the DCs I'm getting are either at the beginning of a match, these are very rare and I attribute them to a bug I got once where I couldn't move my character; or when some bullshit happens, for example: Kate is running, suddenly she stops and starts going again half a second later and gets downed because of it, I attribute these to rubberbanding on their end, since it aalso happens a lot to me as survivor. And I'll be honest, I played 5 matches of sm today and got 0 dcs/ give ups, so I'm really inclined to believe the problem isn't the killer of choice (unless people really really really really dislike Wraith), or maybe my region is weird, or my mmr is so fucked that I go against newer survivors that don't despise sm yet, too many variables
For me, this is not news. It has been like this for over a year on survivor or killer and I am not counting skull merchant games. I honestly stopped playing the game normally and doing archives and trying to make some stupid builds to work.
I think there needs to be a community wide discussion on what "being in the lead" means, especially when it comes to survivors. So many of my teammates give up on first hook when 2 gens are done or something along those lines. Why give up? Even against a strong killer, if you're in lead.
Reasons I stop playing seriously;killer gets an early down and decides they want it to be a 3v1 at 5 gens, I led the killer on a very long chase and the only pressure my teammates have put out is towards totems and chests, lament configuration pinhead, we load into the movie theater map that is rubber band city atm
Sometimes is because of the perks that the killer brings like Frankilin’s, knockout, etc. Sometimes it’s also because other teammates are not doing gens and you see the hud they are opening chests and doing totems.
@@Hotcheese1309 nope cos killer auto loses since base for base their objective is much much faster, especially with most maps still being survivor sided
@@mckookie2967 how objectives are much faster? gens take 90 seconds, in past they used to take 80 seconds? still most maps are survivor sided but they are on their way making maps smaller and weaker for survivors, I mean the old maps, the new ones are terrible (as survivor main I want to DC every time I get Nostromo as killer. jesus I hate that fkn map)
When people see a killer that, in their little world is ‘boring’, ‘overpowered’, whatever they have as reason, they just leave and it’s just sad to see. No matter which killer it is. Why are you playing this game then?
Me for the past month: start DBD Check Shrine of Secrets (nothing interesting) Click on killer, go back Click on survivor, go back Leave the game without playing It took 5 years, but I really grew tired of DBD, there's just no fun left. Nobody is scared anymore, you can't play meme builds without getting bullied, survivor is an unending stream of bullshit moves by the killer and braindead teammates, every killer I want to play is either boring (hag, xeno) or painfuly outdated and weak (Shape, Saddako, Trapper), the maps feel lifeless after the vidual rework that removed their 80s/90s horror movie style.
this game has become a shitshow filled with FOMO for casual players who DC out of any frustration and don't understand the killer side because they have never set foot there. All the best players have almost left DbD, this game has been dead for a long time.
Hand holding has conditioned this. Self sacrifice on hook mechanic is the worst part of solo que. If they don't have Deli, it's not an option. The mechanic has been very confusing for new players too.
Map reworks have taken out any chance of escaping a tunneling killer. You can maybe get to one strong loop but once the pallet is gone it's a mile to anything that isn't an easy hit for every killer. It's removed any skill expression from the survivor side and feels like you have no agency in your chance to escape after being hooked early.
I typically see teammates kill themselves on the hook if the killer comes out sweaty. I've never seen people just give up right off the start. I personally like more casual matches so I will also die on hook if I get a jacked up nurse who is on me within seconds of the game starting. As long as the killer isn't cracked out, I'll have more fun and be more willing to stick around.
@@JediTiga it is on killers behalf must admit. Having to resort to such tactics for a W lol. I can 4k all day without needing to resort to such dirty tactics. So yea. Killer Skill Issue :)
The strangest thing to me is how quickly it came about. In my opinion it must have something to do with the dev update, because before the update, I was getting a dc maybe 1/20 games, and survivors would occasionally give up, but only after the game was a lost cause Now, nearly every single game since the patch has had a dc, a give up, or some combination of the two Now granted, I play nurse, so naturally some survivors are not gonna want to play against that. However, like I said, I would get a dc in maybe 5% of my games before. Yesterday, the first three matches I played had one dc instantly as soon as I charged the first blink, and one give up on the first hook of the game. All three the same story It came about so suddenly and I have no idea why
As a killer, i noticed that these days i quitted far more than i've ever done. I usually never dc but yesterday i did it 3x, and other games i just stayed at the corner and waited them to get out, and all of them had NOTHING WITH BUGS, it was because i knew it was a lost match and most of them was also because it seemed like everything that i've done or could do is and would be just useless. I don't think killers would dc just because of a little moment of bug, even if he dcs after one, he probably was not good before already. And i'm just tired, if i don't tunnel i end getting gen rush, if i do they have many perks that can protect it + ds again, etc... also 3 health bars, they can just insta heal and these moments just make me wanna go "aight i'm not doing this sh anymore"
I don’t mind about a perk dropping items and such, I just think it’s fair then that the survivors get a perk where every time they complete a generator it gets rid of one of the killers add ons. That way both sides have perks that deny the bloodpoints the other side has spent
because surv has been nerfed into oblivion, in terms of strength, but mainly fun. there is no in game within the game anymore, its either gen rush go next bc this killer isnt fun or killer is slaughtering the team from the get go. people have adopted the comp mindset after so much exposure from content creators, everything is about efficiency, which it always has; but at the current rate its sucking the fun out the game. chase is where the fun is at, with map changes and every new killer change heavily favoring antiloop and shift W instead of mindgames and raw chase skill. survivor skill expression feels like its being abolished and the uphill climb for new players to even begin becomes more unattainable. its exactly how killers felt a few years prior when survivor was the overwhelming power role. the role has def flipped
You know it's bad when BHVR finally has to admit (sort of) that tunneling has become a problem when they revert DS back. Now just do something about the proxy camping and it would be a good start.
I mean let's clarify it's only an issue with solo queue. Being in comms with 4 friends is still pretty good for survivors no matter the killer. You don't even need to be that good at chase in a swf.
I've come back to Dead by Daylight within the past week, week 'n a half after almost 4 months taking my break from Dead by Daylight due to this very issue. It's rather frustrating from both sides of a perspective to really play the game at times because of people next game on hook is my biggest problem. It has even thrown games entirely for me, friends, and others I match with even if the match was going beyond smoothly. Last night as an example gotten 3 gens done, with a fourth gen nearly on the way to being done, and the killer only gotten their second hook. That person was near the corner of the map away from all of us with the gens on the other side (Yamaoka Estate) we were initially set to come out strong, but that person "next game logic" on hook to exit out of the game just because they gotten on hook for the first time. Which wasted two peoples time trying to maneuver around the killer to get the save, they both ended up getting slugged for it and myself being found on the other side of the map causing the killer to get a 4k. To me this issue does need to be addressed, this isn't something new in my perspective but it has worsened to the point that I can only play with a friend(s) while recruiting any others from the DBD Discord. Which is fine but at the same time I am a big solo and duo queue junkie. I shouldn't need to feel that I have to 4 man swf all the time to just sit down and enjoy some Dead by Daylight.
I get a sense that a lot of DbD players, but survivors in particular, can't cater their experience - they only want to play against certain archetypes or styles - so they throw until they can find something they think is fun I compare it to fighting games where people will give up and go next if they see a matchup that doesn't favor them or a style they think is "fraudulent" A filter system in matchmaking would be interesting, but probably toxic, unfortunately
@@Pablo-pr4vg Yea, its totally fun being grabbed on the other side of the dropped pallet because Weskers hitboxes are broken since his release. Not mentioning him as the most bugged/glitched killer. And the most important thing: his virus, its so great being tunneled with 8% hindered, great mechanic! Im kinda suprised they mentioned Wesker because noone ever does but I hate this killer, fr
The rubberbanding has been horrible though. Just had a wesker that tunneled one person out but luckily me and the other 2 survivors punished it and got all gens done. Somehow made some plays and I got both of those other survivors off hook in end game and they made it out. I was stuck off to the side of the gate in a room waiting for wesker to leave and go check the other gate hopefully since he can just throw me the opposite direction if I made a run for it and I had no more teammates left in the game for help. He left and gave me my opening and I tried like 6 times making my run for the gate and each time I was close it would teleport me back into that room. Then of course eventually he just camped the open gate with not much left on the timer realizing that I wasn't going there and didn't have enough time. I tried different pathing which worked and somehow BARELY didn't get thrown in the wrong direction when he inevitably caught me making my run for it. The rubberbanding is definitely frustrating.
The times I quit is because I can sense that the match is already lost. Knowing that the average kill rate stands at 60%, if I get a killer who knows how to play (above average), the chances of me not escaping are very high. So, if I see multiple downs at 5 gens, why should I bother playing a lost game, at best I might get hatch by hiding the rest of the game. You can test this theory by playing like a baby killer, and see how often survivors quit your match.
The funny thing is as someone who does this you end up getting players who just refuse to do generators because your rating tanks so much. So I made a rule. If the survivors complete 3 gens before I 8 hook, they get to leave, if they don't the person who I think played the best gets to leave but everyone else dies. Also no slowdowns allowed. Ultimately it's a little boring sometimes and lacking in challenge but its better then playing against toxic sweaty swf and/or bully squads who don't actually want to play the game but just want to make you miserable.
@@Peachrocks5 You do that because you want easier games, I do that because I deem the team I'm facing to be inferior and not worth my time. We are not the same. (This is a joke, but I will spare a team I can 8 hook if I dominate them hard enough, providing I'm in the mood. No fun in beating down on those who can't really fight back and aren't on your level of skill, just feels unfair.)
Because Twitter is a circle-jerk of allowing people to "Leave if they aren't having fun", but they completely ignore that it's a team game. Little do they know, the quality of their games would increase if they actually stick around and try. DON'T PLAY A TEAM BASE GAME, ESPECIALLY AN ASYMMETRIC IF YOU AREN'T A TEAM PLAYER.
I play soloq right now and have experienced the same. I think the survivor meta needs to include a anti-tunnel perk now because most killers are tunneling straight off hook since the last update
I've lately given up more frequently because game plays more inconsistently for me. One match is fine and the next one I can't hit half the skillchecks because game started lagging. I always DC so my teammates have at least a bot, but many, I assume, don't wait the penalty. So it's not the fact that the killer does something wrong, but rather that game suddenly becomes unplayable on my end. On killer end it might look fine. As a killer, I also face this a lot, which is quite annoying. I had many survs just walk to me and die... No slowdown or one slowdown, Plague or Unknown usually, no camp and no tunnel. And I just have a wasted match where everyone gives up after that one guy.
I guess killers are just supposed to take stupid pills and play horribly for survivors to be happy. God forbid your opponent makes a good play in a video game.
@@yaelalfaro excuse some people for wanting to unhook their teammates without giving a free trade. If you cant find someone else you need to run some info perks
Even if I did, which only happens when there was no one on bbq and I have literally nowhere else to go, how the fuck does that explain people giving up before a single hook
Here are some of my favorite reason to leave matches. 1. Getting chased for 45 seconds and no one has touched a gen 2. Watching someone go down and the idiot team mate is just looping around there body instead of leaving and now it’s two downs. 3. Most anti loop killers? I want a chase not a time efficiency simulator. 4. Most maps now just have a million shit pallets which is compounded on top of half the killers having anti loop powers. 😂 why is this a thing?? 5. Nurse, skull merchant, blight. 6. Pop and pain res every single game. 7. ??? Idk I’m a killer main.
Point 4 is the biggest problem for me. Maps are completely braindead now. Not every pallet should be a god pallets, but good lord they shouldn't all be useless either.
the second one enrages me so much. survivors refusing to give killer his first hook and trying to pick up their teammate turns into a slug party pretty much every time. instead of leaving, they get injured, then they go down, then someone still gets hooked, then we have to heal, unhook, heal, noone's on a gen, the game is already lost at this point
I have found that when i play its the same perks that killer are using like pain res and grim embrace with pop or deadlock and then they tunnel and proxy camp at 5 gens. I only jump on now for a few games, and it's just the same thing, so i mainly play other games now. It's a shame cos i loved playing this game.
DC penalty doesn't exist for the players, it exists for the devs. If players aren't having fun, they want to leave, but they're not allowed to do that, so they're soft coerced into remaining in the game and just staying upset so the numbers don't look as bad.
People have become too accustomed to wanting easier matches. If they get found first, they get upset and if they go down, that's the last straw for them. Some players absolutely refuse to go against certain Killers -- sure I hate Skull Merchant and Knight, but a reasonable player will at least play the match out until it's gotten to the point of being unwinnable. Many matches will have at least 1 player who carries a mindset from one of the above points. Once one player has given up, it makes the match worse for all the other players, so it becomes pointless for them to want to continue and you'll see a DC wave across the Survivor team. There are also the DCs that happen from players who get BS hits due to the game or some other bug, but I'm not really accounting for those because the problems above have cultivated a "give up unless I know I can win" mentality.
I guess one thing is also facing always the same killer. Ngl everytime I see a Blight after Blight I just don't feel like I will have fun in the match. And surprise, surprise: I don't.
@@ethanpeeples6187 You lack reading comprehension. Never said Blight ain't fun to face, but that having the same killer after another is just not fun imo. :)
This is a problem in solo que too and when I'm playing with a friend rn like almost all of our games even if it's a ttv or a normal game either one surviver gives up or it's both, the only time I've disconnected this patch is just from not being able to get the new achievement for finding the racoon, that's it, but that one was only on that map, everyone is very easily giving up and I haven't played killer yet so I have no idea why it's like this, mabye having it so you don't depip anymore was a bad change? Whatever it is it's vary annoying and this is the biggest thing that makes me loose interest in playing the game because even if it's a bad bug, you can't really fix players who just wanna be useless and not play
As someone that hasn’t played since before the Unknown came out, I was starting to get into that mindset where I just didn’t want to play anymore but hadn’t accepted it yet, and even if I went back I’d still give up when seeing a Wraith or a Huntress because I just don’t enjoy playing against them and would rather play a match potentially against someone I find more fun to play against
Been playing since 2016 and I definitely noticed a huge uptick in DCs/people killing themselves on hook over the past year while playing solo/duo queue survivor. It genuinely feels like nobody who plays DbD actually wants to play the game. If you don’t enjoy the game, please take a break and quit ruining games for everybody else. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I am absolutely in favor of extremely harsh DC penalties at this point cause it’s getting absolutely ridiculous
In the last 2 weeks out of all the games I played with my friends, I'd say 16 out of 20 or so games either face camped, or tunneled someone out immediately. It has not been pleasant recently.
Hey new player here(150 hours survivor/killer), I think I know where the problems is for new survivors at least. The problem is that most of survivors dont want to play with some killers because they had bad experience or dont know how to counter them. For me and my friends whenever we see a clown killer we immediately group up and let him kill us because we find him boring and obnoxious to play against. We want to have fun against killers we like and know how to play against, not to learn this game like full time job. Same as wraith(and other stealth killers) some people want to be on gen not woriing if someone is around them and can kill them in one hit or body block them and give them a free hit. I think there is a solution but it will lead to more problems on the killer side. The solution is give the survivor to pick which killers to play against. DBD isnt a horror game it is a competitive game, and like in other competitive games, I feel like there should be a pick/ban system (like Rainbow Six Siege...). Pros: -survivor will DC less because they will have control of which killer they play against and if they want to learn how to play against another killer they can queue up with only him to practice Cons: -some killers will have such a small survivor player pool that it will take ages to queue -if they finally manage to queue they will probably queue with a survivor squad that have many hours and know how to counter his killer very well so every game they will need to try hard I love to hear thoughts on this. Have a nice day.
I'm sorry, but Wraith is just as bad as SM in SoloQ, it's so boring, uninteractive and easy for the killer that it's not worth it to carry on with the game if the killer makes it so no chases can happen Plague also, killers other than SM can be miserable, Scott is just incredibly biased towards Wraith for some reason
kinda busted out laughing when he said he plays wraith plague and billy, obnoxious, obnoxious, broken. hmmm i wonder why ppl dc vs him. especially wraith became the no.1 low effort cheese pick recently idk why but you could feel the rise of wraith players
Yall are such crybabies. "Oh no an m1 killer! I can't possibly win against this! It's just so boring to play against!" Play a different game at this point Jesus christ
@@asmith8190 Those definitely aren't the most fun killers to play against in solo queue but if those killers are enough to make you want to go next asap then don't bother playing DBD anymore. Or stick to killer.
I also do it, I mean giving up on hook. I am so bored of the 3-4 gen slow down meta... Yeah and people bring this with nurse as well. So this and the same boring killers all the time (Hillbilly, Huntress, Blight). I do as well, not always, but if I was in a decent chase and no gens were done than I kill myself on hook.
With you 100%. Solo queue is objectively killer-sided, and yet all I ever get are killers who play as though they're in comp + baby survivor teammates. For an overwhelming majority of games, this is like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Of course we're going to give up.
@@DingleberrryDan exactly, I only play solo. And since I am not fan of the survivor meta either, I like to try out new things as well. Builds I think of (Saboteur, Repressed alliance, Hyperfocus, Deja vu/scavenger)
i had a huntress game recently with not just one but two people who just refused to chase. they would do gens, but if i ever encountered them or hit them with a hatchet, they would just stand there and do nothing. they took the game out of the game, it was so odd and such a bummer.
last three games I played I DC'd. First game a Wesker was bounding through map tiles and everyone eles was rubber banding. Second was against an unbreakable hex Pinhead which is insufferable. Third was Blight the was t posing and glitching around the map so I DC'd the moment I saw him. I could have suffered through the Pinhead game but he wasn't hooking anybody and was just going to the LC and making constant chain hunts and making it impossible to do anything. So I went and played something else and haven't been back
it is obvious that the survivors are so broken and destroyed that they rage over anything and everything. this shows how unfun the survivor side is. when u get beaten up so many times if someone touches you, u will feel pain. it's basically the same. respectfully I won't play this game if all my friends aren't available.
Not a single content creator outside of streaming play solo queue survivor, so yeah people dc because they play with randoms doing dull totems or chests You can't get mad if you have fun 90% of the time as swf
Honestly, the mindset of "it's cool to throw matches against X killer or X play style because why try lol" has lead to people just DCing from anything they can justify. The Map, the killer regardless of playstyle, certain perks etc. Which sucks for both sides playing. Honestly I would rework the DC penalty system to be even more harsh on people who DC often regardless of cause. The first one is a freebie, Then within so many matches if you DC you get a timeout that gets longer. Also take a page from tekken 8s book where in the lobby it shows your DC rate for the season and it would reset with rank reset that way random can see in the lobby if they have a teammate who is a DC piss baby then they can decide if they want to stay in that lobby or leave before the match countdown starts. Either that or pool high DC players with others who DC often that way players who actually finish matches get likeminded teammates
I dont think the Tekken thing is necessary simply punish people for inting and dcing start weak because shit can always happen and if ur having severe problems that u have to dc/int so many times a temp ban is better for everyone lol.
@skeley6776 exactly, like yes internet problems exist but I really don't think it happening mid game is as common as people think. And if someone is having issues with internet where they can rarely finish a match then get off the game lol Also I found a way to solve the "well people will kill themselves on hook" Have 2nd phase be a timer that fluctuates based on how close the killer is to the hook. Closer the killer the slower the timer. On a successful skill check the timer is delayed by a bit instead of you losing a bunch of progress by missing a skill check. The fact behavior still has a mechanic that allows players to kill themselves and is often used to do that with no alterations is crazy
if the killer has gotten 3-4 hooks before anyone of my teammate touched a gen (aside from me) i have no hope for this session anymore and play for hatch or gate every time, because obviously my teammates are already worsethan bots and im not saving bots
I queued trapper with Add ons I didn't realize id run out of on a trapper with no slowdowns and still had two people give up after stepping in a single trap each. it's actually so sad because my off day of trying to play was PVE
I play rarely. Used to love the game but every time I play now it’s not really fun because people are wayyyyyyyy better at the game now than they used to be and I feel as if they overbuffed killers recently. But that’s probably not true. I do often find myself complaining about how strong new killers seem. Like, how they all have sooo many powers and abilities and things going for them when compared to the older killers. Huntress throws a hatchet. Nurse blinks. Hillbilly runs. Chucky can sneak, vault pallets, hide behind loops, run fast, and trick you into thinking he’s around when he’s not via the footsteps. It’s just something that feels overwhelming. And I loved the game and I love the way the game feels and looks and I love getting to play as Cheryl but every time man I just feel like I load up a match and it’s always something. I love playing against most killers but when I load into a match with chucky, knight (whom I see more than any other killer he is on the majority of my matches), trickster (always tunnels), or skull merchant it’s an insta dc for me. Never have fun with those killers and brings me nothing but stress. The game should have a banning phase.
I'm trying to come up with reasons that make sense. Scott, when you had all of these DCs and people who killed themselves on hook, was it a particular time of day? Was it like after school got out? I know that we're getting to the end of the school year and maybe we just have a whole bunch of kids playing the game. I'm not sure
I don't like this video, I'm giving up watching it
And you have every right to
**Gets a 5 minute DC penalty**
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Facts
Lmfao
People finally realized they were playing DBD, and had the insight to save themselves
Lmao
real asf
Based???
What I like about Scott is that he approaches things completely unbiased.
SCOTT: "It could be related to the amount of bugs ..." (4:28)
ALSO SCOTT: "It's not even the games fault itself, it's the community" (4:48)
But then they boot up for the next game lmao. Player base isn’t that much lower, they’re having brief moments of insight them immediately back into the Stockholm-esque psychosis
My guess is the abhorrent amount of stuttering within the game at the moment. I haven't played the new patch yet but every single clip I've seen in the last few days is someone teleporting every couple feet
To me this video gave survivor ship bias. We only see one perspective (Scott) of one of those survivor’s matches. We don’t even get to see their end of what they see, or feel. We don’t even know if they had the epileptic clouds of mist that keep occurring even outside of the basement for people.
I just think this gotta be scrapped. I could see if it was a major healthy patch with no bugs, and you personally see more DCs. But come on. One of the worst patches since the Twins update overall, and we ask “Why DC???” 😂. Like… 7.7.0 has been smooth for you? I’d love that luxury if so.
Played a match last night where my movement was fine until my last hook and I just couldn't stop jittering EVERYWHERE. Just gave up after the gates were powered because there was zero chance of me making distance even if I tried. I'd never felt betrayed by a game bug before in my life.
@@Keygentlemen Ohh but that’s not a “big problem” is it? Just play the game or play a different one. Don’t give up when the game makes things impossible for you. It’s not the devs fault, it’s ours COMRADE 🤣!
I’m being sarcastic. That’s obviously bad. But everyone forgetting the insane flashing fog everywhere that can give mfs seizures… Even outside the basement. As if that won’t make anyone DC 😭. Survivor ship bias ain’t no JOKE.
Basement has a higher chance of the strobing too so if survivors hooked in basement and that starts happening I could understand attempting to jump
@@Keygentlemenworst for me so far was I went to lithe and get an unhook and it just trapped me going around a corner 6 times until I got hit.
To add some context, I noticed bugs, rubberbanding, and stuttering right at the start of matches. Someone giving up right at the start could be them feeling demoralized from the get-go, knowing the frustrating experience they're about to face due to the ongoing bugginess of the latest patch that has been hardly addressed. At this point, I think BHVR should have rolled back this entire patch. I doubt it has much, if anything, to do with pips, though that might be a factor.
They shouldn’t have done a twins patch at the same time as moving to unreal engine 5. Twins chapter is notorious for being one of, if not THE, buggiest chapters ever released. Should’ve expected it to be a problem when it got updated. The stress of going to UE5 also would have predictably caused issues. These updates should have staggered and then maybe there wouldn’t have been so many problems. Alas all we can do now is hope they fix the problems soon
Yeah I played 1 match with the new update as killer and had constant stuttering problems that I wasn’t having before
They need better servers, dbd is the only game i have high ping
i literally had to quit out of nurse because of stuttering when i went to blink
I don't think they would even be able to run back the Patch since they didn't just touch Twins, but also switched Engines from UE4 to 5.
Both of these things can cause many issues and BHVR is not able to deal with them it seems.
Behavior should try adding Subway Surfers gameplay to the bottom of the screen to increase retention
understandable
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best suggestion i've seen in years of this game
So many of us hate the game that we used to love and haven't realized it yet. I can't play more than 1 or 2 matches a day.
I used to be like that. Break out of the habit. Find a game that brings you joy. Theres more games than you can play in your lifetime and that time is too precious to waste it on a game you hate playing.
I like the idea of playing dbd until i start it up and start queuing, then i realize how much i hate it.
@@larsliamvilhelm don't start playing tcm then 😅
@@piley1132 Oh i've already started and quitted TCM. Could endure it for about a month until i was done with it. Not because i necessarily hated it but there just wasn't much to it IMO.
@@larsliamvilhelm Gameplay is fun but so many bugs. Lobby simulator right now and they blame it on family dcing and looking into it from that perspective which will probably lead to dc penalties even though people know its a backfill issue. Gun media not taking any accountability for their mistakes that have being in the game from day 1. Egleast dbd knows how to organise lobbies correctly in a timely matter
doing gens is only tolerable when you have a clear chance at winning, they become nauseating immediately when you know you're just playing out a snowball. While much of the problem can be chalked up to Xx__loopLord__xX simply being a pissbaby, again I think it's just as much survivors being wary of wasting time in a snowball.
Yeah like what’s the point of doing 30% of a gen before the Billy or nurse comes to down you in 12 seconds lol
Generally people give up when they think they're either not having fun or are about to be denied the chance to have fun, so they bail. Not every person, but generally. So presumably the experience isn't what they wanted.
The main factor of being denied the chance to have fun is that most survivors have a better chance of winning the lottery than making a comeback in solo queue.
If you only have fun when you win, you should find a different hobby.
In pretty much any competitive game, the "ideal" winrate for the average player is 50%. There's gotta be other hobbies you could spend your time on where you have fun more than 50% of the time.
@@RisenSlash You completely misinterpreted my comment. I did not remotely imply that I only have fun if I win. I'm saying that if there's an extremely low chance that my team will succeed from a bad start then it ruins the fun. I love playing pick-up basketball. I wouldn't spend my afternoon playing if I knew the teams would be 5 out-of-shape casuals vs 5 collegiate athletes.
Last weekend my solo queue team finished 3 gens before the Oni got his first hook and the Oni managed a tremendous comeback with his Wrath. It was my most memorable game despite losing.
I get that, but in doing so, it immediately makes the match everyone else's problem. Just quit the match the way God intended and give your three teammates the decency of a bot
I'm not sure why you're telling me this because I never mentioned rage quitting on hooks. I was explaining to the other guy that once a competition becomes too lopsided that it becomes uninteresting and not fun to a lot of players. I agree with you that 3 man + bot is the better outcome.
Burn out and sunk cost fallacy; A brutal combo, everyone is sick of DBD but refuses to stop
I'm not sick of it but we all need to take breaks. If you continue playing a game you're sick of you have a mental illness and you need to go outside.
@@Rye-jl2fk I want to take a break but there's so much FOMO from events to new tomes every month and a half. If I stop playing I miss out on rare items. If you miss out you have to wait a whole year and either pay money or a ton of blood shards.
@@memelord8492 When I got burnt out of ow and stop playing it for years, there were lots of events I missed. I never cared about them, and eventually even stopped knowing which events happened when. If you don´t like the game and stop playing, there´s no need for the items. Even if you come back in the end like I did, there´s so many items you may not even know what you´re missing out. You still have the itmes you got before, and the more new items they add the rarer your old items will be to see, so they get more value when you decide to come back.
@@memelord8492 The first step to win against FOMO is to just ignore it. If you live playing DBD just because you're missing stuff believe me you could be doing something better/more fun for you.
this happens alot when I feel like I wanna play dbd but as soon the match starts any passion I had disappears
I played dbd for over 7 years and 4000 hours and the community and especially the devs have no idea which way they want to take dbd. It's sad but BHVR's been pretty adamant about their "new chapter every 3 month" policy being their number one priority, and there REPEATED proving of the fact that they don't even play their own game makes it really hard to ever want to play dbd these days. Sorry fellas but the Chucky patch was their last hurrah. Even if they got more licensed killers or survivors it's obvious that they never have a concrete plan or priorities because 1/2 of the things they put in a roadmap get delayed, changed, scrapped, or they do it, realize how dumb it is, then walk back on it and nothing gets done. It's a never ending cycle and I don't intend to stay in it. I still haven't finished TLOZ: Tears of the Kingdom and the Elden Ring DLC drops in less than 2 months. I have games GALORE available to me that have HEAPS more love and passion put into it than this shitshow.
Some people haven't come to terms that they do not longer love this game. I felt like DCing every first game of the day for a week before something even happened in game and that's when I realised I should just quit the game. Now I enjoy playing other games and I think that others who feel this way should try out other games as well.
This is exactly what it is.
This is so true. I woke up, started the game and got mad for like 3 games straight. Im like, i dont like this anymore. Its not fun. So I left.
Garbage maps, mechanics, bugs, gameplay, community, devs… must I go on?
@@eyezwollowcome166 Aka the game itself, what the OP said.
Why not try civ 5?
Nothing worse than loading into a match in solo queue and realizing that due to factors completely out of your control, you're doomed to lose and even if you play it out, you'll end up with 10k BP at most.
Personally I'd point to a lot of killer changes that at the very least make that side a lot more consistent (Meta slowdown builds, etc), with solo queue still being as miserable as day one, aside from the action indicators, which in some cases just tell you that nobody's doing gens during your 3 minute chase.
Demoralization isn't a stat that's easily tracked, but definitely feel this is the closest we can get to a solid indicator.
But that's the choice you make when you load into solo queue. It's supposed to be hard.
@@MrVIrginiaLUV The demoralization factor isn't difficulty, it's seemingly random "handicaps" you're forced to work with. Chess against a grandmaster bot is difficult, chess where there's a chance half your pieces explode at the start of the match, then being told to play it out, is demoralizing.
@@westcoast9158 Yes, but that's a part of queueing up with random folks from a side of the community that doesn't take this game as more than anything than casual. They want to be able to joke around, hide, escape every match, do tome stuff or whatever. Which personally, I think is the mode for that. I dont play Solo Queue Survivor for that exact reason, I already know what to expect, so I don't entertain it.
I wish folks would only count playing with friends as a way to play DBD, Solo que will always be a horrid experience because you have to depend on random people to work for more than just themselves.
I've learned from OW2 and NBA 2K, that players just dont care about the team, only their own fun or goals during the game. I stopped playing 2K, and I'm close to ending my OW2 career as well. Teamwork is foreign to a lot of people, which is funny because we all work a job where we are a part of a team in some way or form.
I think BHVR should stop focusing on Solo Que, and balance the game around SWFs. Solo is a lost cost, and hurts Killers due to over nerfing strats, powers and perks due to Solo Que players getting left to dry by teammates who DC or just stop playing.
@@MrVIrginiaLUV Right but that's the reason why giving up is so common. A casual player isn't going to commit to a match that's less fun (being slugged, tunneled, bled out because perk combo/build) and less rewarding (no pip/lack of depipping, less BP) *and* more time consuming/draining, over just going next and pulling the slot machine handle over and over again.
The problem is less that people want to escape every match, and more that their fun and time investment is dictated by other people's, seemingly at random and at the drop of a hat.
@@westcoast9158 Then why play? I don't get why folks want to play a game, but not put in the work to get better or learn to work as a team in said game.
I don't understand why casuals think they should be able to queue into a game mode full of randomness, and expect to escape or have any type of fun. If you're casual, why even care about wins and losses if you're not investing time at getting better or earning or buying better perks? Why should the game bend to their will just because they wanna play around? They can still play around, but that's not enough, they want to win and that's not fair to people who put the time in, or the money.
I don't give up, but I just play much much less. They removed every skill expression in the game and I'm not even talking about blight hug tech. Billy gets overdrive because he missed his chainsaw on a survivor 4 times: "oh, you got outplayed 4 times? Here, take this buff to every single power stat". Chucky takes no skill whatsoever to play, trickster is now 4.6 (doesn't need to be smart about wind ups on loops) and needs to miss 36 knives out of 44 to not take a health state, xenomorph is a lose lose situation (at least there's some kind of skill expression with the arc tail thing). Huntress is super forgiving with faster windup and so many hatchets without giving up on an addon slot. They've been going on a mindless direction, there's no skill expression anymore, you don't feel like you outplayed your enemy as a killer and you don't get rewarded for the right plays as survivor. This is boring, people are frustrated and the slightest inconvenience bothers them.
I very much agree with this now, bhvr are tending to newer players instead of the ones who actually understand the game. I understand wanting new players to stay but getting rid of your older players for newer ones is just a stupid idea. No one will love dbd more than all the players who have endured the mess that is dbd for years now.
I think the answer is more in the middle: a game should be easy to pick, but deep enough to get mastered to add replayability. The feeling of learning something new and adding new tools and stuff to your basic notions everyday. I make the example of me with Tekken 8 (even if I took a break from it): I picked up Nina, started with the basic combos, bad defense. Now I'm a bit more defensive and try to play for punishes, frame traps, mindgames with my moves and command grabs. I'm still at a low level, but it's a higher level than yesterday: I learnt something and I want to learn more by keep playing. This is how playing some killers felt before, or even some survivor stuff. Like, a game shouldn't be "only for veterans" or it never grows, but it also shouldn't be too easy to pick up with no deep mechanics to explore, learn and master in the long time.
@ PriestPoppy Well-said. Overwhelming majority of player base is solo queue, and they continue to make tone deaf buffs to killer; removing counterplay, and making it insufferable for solo survivor
this post is funny for survivor stereotyping.
If you think playing Billy or Huntress is easy, I would love to see you do either. Chucky is fine. The rest I can somewhat agree with.
this has been going on WAAAAAy longer than since the engine update. its been an ongoing occurrence imo since the sweeping changes to all perks nerfing survivor staples. its probably ramped up now but ive had people d/c in games for over a year now
it's been slowly ramping up since SBMM. hardcore players band together in SWF, reducing the quality of players you would find in solos, which makes it a frustrating experience...which means the player either only plays with SWF or just quits the game. just a death spiral for the game.
I'm going to guess that there's a feeling of spiteful jadedness that relates heavily to certain killers. Anything that's "not fun", "uncounterable", "sweaty" - bearing in mind, the opinions on each of these vary. Obvious, but then two key points I'll add to this:
One is that it can carry across games. I think having killers like Skull Merchant and 4-slowdown Blights around can make someone more likely to become annoyed *next* game as well as their current one. Second, it's very possible that the Twins rework kind of caused this stuff to hit a tipping point. There's now so many killers on the roster that have been left in a less fun state that people are carrying their ire across their whole night.
A third thought is, continuing off of this frustration could be a group of players that feel they can't have fun (fun being flashlight saves and dumb techs that make it big on Twitch) against good killers. So, they're now more frequently trying to smurf their MMR so they can go against baby Huntresses. I admit, though, that last theory doesn't really tie into timing very well.
Things like this can snowball. Once people start seeing other people quiting fast and ruining 3 games in a row, they will also be more likely to do the same.
The bugs are really annoying and the pip system change were probably the trigger and then it snowballed.
It will probably get better right after they fix these nasty bugs.
That's very true the problem is that the devs normally take forever to do that
this is true. doesnt help that pretty much every killer released in the past couple years (except for unknown) is considered dc worthy by most. it started with wesker, mostly because you saw him every game, but 2 years later, more people are dcing than ive ever seen, aside from the few times penalties have been disabled.
Every game at high mmr is absolute hell. When you play survivor, you get tunneled, camped and slugged. When you play killer you get gen rushed, go against uncounterable meta such as FTP and Buckle Up.
I haven't been doing this as survivor, but I've been equally as miserable with the way killers are playing lately. It really feels like every match is tunnelling at five gens or camping. It might be that some survivors are so upset that they take it out on the next killer. Kind of an "If I don't get to have fun then neither do you" mentality.
I honestly feel like a lot of people are just burnt out or no longer have fun in DbD BUT refuse to touch any other game because they've put so much time into DbD that they refuse to let it go and try other games. I like to think about it like this putting so much money into your car but it keeps breaking down but you think I already put so much money into this car that I'll keep putting money into it to get it fixed instead of buying a whole new car.
Sunk cost fallacy.
The problem is hope. If people lose hope in being able to prevail most people would rather leave to a more favorable match. To fix this, the game needs a form of adaptive difficulty to allow for both sides to have a degree of hope If they are badly losing.
it’s literally just because people don’t want to against killers that are not fun to fight against, when i play oni, no one kills themselves, if i try skull merchant, i cant get a single game where someone doesn’t kill themselves
As someone who mainly plays survivors even before the pip change me and my duo would get just as many and it sucks. the mentality is mostly "idk how to counter this killer or don't like this killer so i'm giving up"
It's really simple - DbD in soloq is not a team game. There is zero reason to help your team when 90% of the time they actively work with the killer to lose you the match.
The fact that people don't get that this it's a team pvp game it's almost upsetting.
It's like "I want to log in and just do nothing". Bruh don't play the game lmao
I always played solo, holy smokes this player base just sucks and sucks hard too.
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@@JustLuminal EXACTLY I can't tell you how many times we've been 2 hooked because one of us is in chase, on the hook and our team just says "fuck them"
Wraith has a reputation of being the most toxic killer AND the most tryhard killer in terms of the behavior of your average main. I know the second I see a wraith I just assume I am going to get hard tunneled, hit on hook, and perhaps even 'teabagged' (the humping thing) and he's gonna run 4 gen slowdown perks and play like his entire family will be executed if he doesn't 4k. Even if you don't do it, almost all other Wraith players do so you will be treated like you're one of them even if you aren't. It's guilty until proven guilty with Wraith. Same shit as a frosty eyes Trapper.
That's my best explanation. TL;DR - Wraith mains are some of the most irredeemable degenerates in the game, and if you play Wraith you will be assumed to be one of them. Anecdotally, this shit hasn't been happening to me and I play fucking LEGION of all characters. I have no explanation for people DCing against anything other than Wraith except Plague who is an accessibility issue. I have emetophobia and I cannot play against plague because there is no accessibility toggle to make her vomit not cause me myself to vomit. If it was like, rainbow confetti vomit and it didn't make the vomit noise it'd be fine.
autotune vomit sounds
This is true, most of the Wraiths I go against are the biggest dicks in the game. If I hear that Wraith going invisible sound, I get ready for the hit and run crap or the hard tunnel/proxy at 5 gens and the EZ in the EGC lol.
My brother in Christ... People are giving up against me when not doing anything obnoxious even when I play as GHOSTFACE. A bloody GHOSTFACE. It even once happened when I downed someone as Smolface too (for those who don't know, smolface is weak meme build where you can only move or hit survivors while crouching, which you do an entire game). And that was happening even before the depip change.
This can´t be it, there must be something else in play. I don´t believe it is because of the Wraith. At least when in most cases.
Besides, Scott himself in that video said that he wasn´t playing only wraith.
Actually Wraith are often good players. BUT, it’s also a character used by players that want to “bully” players for no reason(cringe). If he downs you and it shows the perk “knock out” you know it’s a bad player trying to take advantage of solo Q to slug everyone
@@eliasar5051 anything stealth makes me want to go next, doesn't matter what ghost face build u're using, stealth is boring to play against for alot of players.
its kind of unrelated, but the amount of just awful awful things to go against seems to only ever increase, back when i remember having the most fun with dbd the most frustrating things were, nurse and gen grab spirit basically everything else it felt like you individually in chase had a real meaningful impact.
All the killers up to oni's release are so much more fun to face than the ones after him (Exceptions being wesker, "sometimes" blight, unknown)
It feels like a switch got flipped in their design, the amount of killers that put you in situations where there is no way you can actually outplay them you *will* get hit, it might be slow, but its innevitible or they have gameplay styles that bore you to tears.
I know it sound like rose tinted glasses, but i find the first half of the killer releases so much more fun, since most of them have to do something "fair" to get you. If i get hit by a hatchet, i can reasonable come up with a play i could have made to avoid it, or avoid doctors shock, get a stun on plague during her power, play safe during onis power etc etc etc, if skull merchant drops a drone, im shit out of luck if there isn't a connected tile
Instead of changing the fundamental problems with the game, they tack counters onto it in the form of killers and perks. The maps have always been dogshit so that's why everyone puts you in lose/lose setups now.
ur 100% right. honestly if it werent for unknown giving me hope for future releases id have probably quit the game altogether. theyre trying to hit the numbers they want in average kills by mitigating skill. ur bad at the game? play SM! play Chucky! dont play nemesis, xeno is just better!
Scott: "I don't run annoying builds."
Me, seeing Franklin's Demise: "X to Doubt..."
on top of that you add the reworked map with basic 0 save loops against that killer.
yeah sorry im not fucking with 4 medkits as wraith, esp when i dont run sloppy butcher
Based @ScottJund
@@ScottJund Damn that went defensive real quick
@@larsliamvilhelm no?
The average I.Q. of my teammates seems lower now even than when the game was first released and nobody knew what they were doing. Uninstall soon tbh.
I feel like at highest mmr you’re definitely going to be going against the most burnt out players plus twins and rubber banding. 😊
If the killer succesfully tunnels someone out of the match before the second gen pops. I'm out sorry. You want the win that bad; take it.
I dont want to prove a miraculous come back in a highly doomed game. Especially if it's an anti looper. This lately happens a lot . I'm probably tanking mmr and find the killers i go against aren't fantastic but it's the teammates that are drooling. Can't run the killer for shit, can't evade, go for trades or hookbomb into tunelling and play risky dead on hook yet can't justify it. I think the problem is there just isn't killers that are terrible enough for my teammates to ever win. They know not to chase me until I'm last and even when I'm gen jockey the chase durations of my teammates are tiringly short. Perhaps I need to try harder but most of the time I don't get chased and the killer knows to leave. I almost never see someone who can actually run the killer.
I go into every game like I go into league of legends. I intend to win until it's clear it's an ff. Dbd has a great surrender mechanic therefore I use it.
Hard agree. I meet a sadistic killer (or survivor team, for that matter), I'm not motivated to outdunk them. I'd rather just make it as boring as I can for them and throw the game to move on as soon as possible.
I don’t buy it. If you’re so good at looping why don’t you force the killer into chasing you?
@@ssgbobbarneshow does one do that they can drop chase
This is actually so true. I have 4K hours in the game, I am average and can hold my own, yet chases for others end in 5 secs and we all lose because it's like blood in the water when killer mains see a bad player. They tunnel them out and the match is a 3v1 at 4 or 3 gens which is unwinnable if you're a half-decent killer. You get caught in elo hell and your MMR goes into the toilet and it's an endless series of low-skilled teammates.
Offffff . Damn that seems hard skill issue 😅
Just because maybe "you" don't tunnel, etc. doesn't mean the mass majority of killers don't. Survivors get tired of seeing pop and pain res. on every killer, constant top killers with busted add-ons, someone getting tunneled out 90 percent of the time EVERY match, etc. it gets boring. So if survivors can't enjoy the game they make sure killers can't either, simple.
I mean, you ARE playing at least one slow down perk. We all know that's enough for most survivors to give up
because it’s so hard to have fun as survivor now, like looping is ass and randoms are usually trash, we are losing our counters to hardcore tunneling, and scummy tactics.
Greenville has the most insanely inept design I've seen in a while despite its comparatively simple layout. 3-4 utterly dogshit pallets right on top of each other so the survivor can't actually get away but the killer gets annoyed as hell in the process of landing that hit.
@@Keygentlemen literally, all pallets are unsafe now and they lowered the map size and amount of pallets. i people are confused we why are all leaving games. The only reason i keep queueing is because I want the game to be fun like it was in the past but nothing last forever i guess, it’s just that the thought of putting dbd down and not considering it as a game i can play anymore is sad to me.
DS just got reverted to how it was before and you can also bring OTR, there have literally never been more counters to hardcore tunneling.
People are getting tired of hit through windows far away, tunneled , and looping is ass due to every killer running bamboozle and pellet immune stun perk with all these unsafe loops. (Forgot the name ) If they remove bloodlust I think many would come back.
@@eck2803 True, but you have to waste half your build just to counter scummy play styles, how fun is that?
The only time I've ever instantly given up and DCed, was against a hook-camping Ghostface.
He would hide just out of the anti-face-camp zone and would 99 stalk survivors, then would down them for an easy "trade", he did this with everyone until they were on death hook. Then he left everyone slugged for two minutes, tbagging everyone. -_-
So while I don't support people going "next" on first hook or down, I certainly understand why.
If there's multiple hooks at 5 gens then it's not worth trying.
I’m guilty of this quite often. I’m a survivor main. And I have been frustrated with this game for a long time. All ranged attacks seem to hit me even when it’s clearly a miss. Or being hit through a window after I’ve taken two steps. I keep playing the game because every once in a while I have a fun match. And honestly, I really have nothing else to play.
Did you see the Ultimate Weapon nerf they just pushed with the attempted strobing fix? It's WILD.
I really liked the aura read version and this trapped locker thing has me screaming like the survivors
@@Vulgar_Worlock They didn't even update it the way they said they were. It's now 15m, instant, with a 30 second CD, and inflicts blindness for 3 seconds. None of those numbers are typos. It makes survivors next to you scream, and gives them blindness for about as much time as it takes to... scream.
@@arcarc2663 it is god awful. why did this perk get nerfed so hard to the point it is unusable.
@@arcarc2663 I have to assume that an actual physical battle is taking place in BHVR's office over exactly what state the perk should be in at any given moment
I think its because survivors dont even bother playing if the killer has any sort of advantage, because survivor is abysmal right now unless you're on comms with people
Bro ppl cry to much. Even with the huda that survivors can see who s doing gen etc they still crying like cmon😂 its always something survivors are crying about
Because the amount of anti looping killers has significantly increased,it has been tremendously made much easier to snowball,stomping solos is rampant like a plague.
IDK where BHVR gets only 60-65% KR because in my last 30 games as solo or duo the KR was over 80%
Honestly, the only solution to making players actually want to play out even the slightest inconveniences is a ranked gamemode where disconnecting has a visual effect on your ranking, would probably make games feel more challenging and less hopeless for both sides too, it gives players a reason to play the game more and actually try to win the rough games instead of giving up
heyy Puffalope!! love ya
Also voice chat would help
Honestly, the stuttering aside, i noticed alot more "BS" hits on both sides, sometimes i hit people over pallets when i was nowhere near them and same happens to me, and other times i missed an M1 on survivors medium vaulting windows
All the little bugs in the game just pile on together and alot of people just dont want to deal with alot of it
I don't know, if there is no DC penalty then no games will be played at all, because whenever killer or survivors see the other using an annoying build or having an obnoxious playstyle they just leave and go to the next one.
If however only survivors shouldn't get a DC penalty because them leaving doesn't end the game that's arguably even worse because then killers are just on the reciving end of survivor BS unless they have a strong start then they get to kill bots.
3k hour survivor main who mostly plays soloq, plenty of reasons I do it a fair bit, DBD is such an unserious game I don't think its a problem.
- Taking a chase for 2-3 mins getting hooked and then the killer somehow downs out 1-2 players on your team before you've been on hook 5 seconds
- Getting hooked and simply seeing the 3 other survivors too far away / not doing gens
- Ranged killers aren't fun 50/50 every pallet, huntress hitboxes. Good ones will just bait ability and m1, FUCK XENO
- Anti Loop killers (Artist, Knight, Skull Merchant) get better at killer movement and mindgames instead of playing antiloop killers
- Taking a hit because of bad ping regardless of how winnable the game was
- Survivors didn't head nod back
The idea that survivors kill themselves because a game is unwinnable makes no sense to me you cant go into soloq as survivor wanting to escape. Its about how much fun you have before you die usually. Survivor is so much less fun nowadays it became less about the chase, killers have too many tools to get downs with 0 counter play, I believe the essence of this game is the m1 stalk chase you down killer key word "chase", Jason(Trapper), Freddie, Michael, Pig, Bubba, Ghostface etc... the direction they took with ranged, antiloop killed survivor fun imo, its fine to help counter SWF gen rushers but most of the new killers are so boring to play against. I actually like what they did with Unknowns ranged ability though and think ranged killers should have something more like that, can still be annoying but its way more playable.
"- Survivors didn't head nod back" 😭😂 Top1 reason! And yea, fuck xeno. But I have to admit putting aside huntress hitboxes I like playing against huntress
yea xeno really sucks to go against as solo. way more fun with comms and macro gameplay with a team.
The moment I read “survivor main” I also think of “entitled piece of sh&t” because nobody normal would write a monologue of rules made up by themselves. The only reason I would leave a match is if survivors are doing literally nothing
@@Insanity-vv9nn Clearly a low hour player, survivors do nothing in 90% of soloq games
I've only played 2 matches since the new patch and DC'd on the first chase of both because it was unplayable (lag/stuttering)
So I went into a bot lobby to tinker with graphics. Eventually I turned off shaders and put every setting to low, and I still had noticable framerate issues. Gave up playing after that, now I'm waiting and hoping they fix whatever needs fixing.
I feel like the DBD community has like a morale meter that shifts every so often, the game could even be working but people just feel less like willing to stick to it for any reason. Usually its the response to patches / updates, bugs, or metas, so I am unsure why (besides bugs) it would be going on this time.
I honestly don’t know what killer you could even play to make everyone happy. Some people find weak killers boring, some don’t like strong killers or perks or play styles. It’s hard to do a test on this when people get mad about EVERYTHING.
It's much much less of the killer played and more about the skill and perk choices.
A nurse perkless is better than a nurse with lethal.
A nurse alone ont trigger anything. it's the op perk combos that makes it too much.
True about the people getting mad about everything. I posted a clip of the rubber banding problem on Hawkins and ofc the crybaby survivor mains were mad I had no hooks while everyone had two. I cannot control how the killer plays and he was smart to go after the weakest links who seemed new at the game and ignored me or dropped chase whenever he saw me.
Speaking as someone who forces out like 80% of my games. It’s simply I’m not having fun in the game. But I wanna play to earn my rewards or like challenges. So I just leave. And 100% I would leave and give a bot if there wasn’t a pen.
If you’re just playing for the challenges and then leaving you are just treating the game like a side job, might as well not even play it
I had a match as Pyramid Head in The Game and after ONE DOWN within a few seconds of the match (because I had lethal), the person wanted to give up, which then made other teammates gave up.
Yeah lethal is my number one perk to give up against. If the game JUST started and I don't even have sight of a gen there's no point. I typically run distortion but my team rarely ever does then the moment you down them too fast there gone.
Those moments when I didn't have distortion and that happend to me I completely understood. "If there this cracked out from the start I don't want to see the end"
I think its because most people who are suiciding on hook really don't need to win. Like they don't need the BP as much, they aren't chasing top rank because there is no rank reward aside from BP (which they dont need). One other thing you have to take into account is what has that person experienced before entering your match? For all we know, they got downed on first hook and left to die, they got camped/tunneled, or maybe its their first game back and they got downed instantly.
"One other thing you have to take into account is what has that person experienced before entering your match?"
This isn't talked about enough. We tend to assume everyone is at 100, so to speak, or at least whatever level we're on at the time. But if I just finished a game where I would've escaped if the game didn't cuck me with a movement bug? You'd better believe my patience for the game is going to drop. Then you get shit like that back to back, and the frustration piles on, but that just makes some people try harder to "finally" get into a "good game". And this is just a game with SO much annoying bullshit on both sides of the coin, I imagine few people truly have the patience to sit through all of it.
DbD is simply tiring. That's the word I'd use. I feel fatigued playing this game, even just in the menus.
@@Keygentlementhen don't play no need to ruin it for everyone else
Bro! Everytime I take a break and come back I always get the most cracked out killer.
I've been found and downed before I even had visual on a gen. (Nurse with lethal) I typically run distortion but I tried to switch it up for one match. I'll never remove distortion again.
@@broextraordinary4063 thats the equivalent of telling someone don't have a bad day and expect them to not to
@@staremind4 It's more like the joke where a guy twists himself up into a pretzel and says "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" and the doctor replies "okay, then just stop doing that"
Most of the DCs I'm getting are either at the beginning of a match, these are very rare and I attribute them to a bug I got once where I couldn't move my character; or when some bullshit happens, for example: Kate is running, suddenly she stops and starts going again half a second later and gets downed because of it, I attribute these to rubberbanding on their end, since it aalso happens a lot to me as survivor.
And I'll be honest, I played 5 matches of sm today and got 0 dcs/ give ups, so I'm really inclined to believe the problem isn't the killer of choice (unless people really really really really dislike Wraith), or maybe my region is weird, or my mmr is so fucked that I go against newer survivors that don't despise sm yet, too many variables
For me, this is not news. It has been like this for over a year on survivor or killer and I am not counting skull merchant games. I honestly stopped playing the game normally and doing archives and trying to make some stupid builds to work.
I think there needs to be a community wide discussion on what "being in the lead" means, especially when it comes to survivors. So many of my teammates give up on first hook when 2 gens are done or something along those lines. Why give up? Even against a strong killer, if you're in lead.
I’ve had people give up on 1st hook with 3 gens done and a 4th about to pop. Like ???
My friend and I had 2 ppl dc at the start on Garden of Joy vs Wesker. All 4 of us got out, bots included
Its not about winning. Its about fun. People play games for FUN 😢
@@ToanIV Then don’t play the game and ruin it for your team is all I can say to people who say that.
Are you? First 2-3 gens don't really matter.
Reasons I stop playing seriously;killer gets an early down and decides they want it to be a 3v1 at 5 gens, I led the killer on a very long chase and the only pressure my teammates have put out is towards totems and chests, lament configuration pinhead, we load into the movie theater map that is rubber band city atm
I've actually played a bit of Skull Merchant the past few days and pretty much no one DC'd on me. Must just be weird chance
That is pretty lucky
@@i3eaniie602lol when I play skull merchant I get a doc every other match and I just play her regularly
I DC against skunt the second I load into the match and see the HUD.
@@pukerat7562no one asked
@@pukerat7562Seems overkill.
Sometimes is because of the perks that the killer brings like Frankilin’s, knockout, etc.
Sometimes it’s also because other teammates are not doing gens and you see the hud they are opening chests and doing totems.
Who tf cares about franklins lol
@@sherbelajo6290 some sweaty flashy saves users.
Alright, I'm gonna say it. We need another meta shake-up.
they need to remove all gen perks from killer and from survivors. remove toolboxes. and replace them with something fun
@@Hotcheese1309 nope cos killer auto loses since base for base their objective is much much faster, especially with most maps still being survivor sided
As you can clearly see they're obviously working on it. Why else would they buff DS?
@@mckookie2967 how objectives are much faster? gens take 90 seconds, in past they used to take 80 seconds? still most maps are survivor sided but they are on their way making maps smaller and weaker for survivors, I mean the old maps, the new ones are terrible (as survivor main I want to DC every time I get Nostromo as killer. jesus I hate that fkn map)
@@anettelma123 10-12 hooks takes much longer than 5 gens at decent mmr which isn't hard to hit cos of soft cap
You know that Scott is really frustrated, when there is double “that’s it” at the end
When people see a killer that, in their little world is ‘boring’, ‘overpowered’, whatever they have as reason, they just leave and it’s just sad to see. No matter which killer it is. Why are you playing this game then?
Me for the past month:
start DBD
Check Shrine of Secrets (nothing interesting)
Click on killer, go back
Click on survivor, go back
Leave the game without playing
It took 5 years, but I really grew tired of DBD, there's just no fun left. Nobody is scared anymore, you can't play meme builds without getting bullied, survivor is an unending stream of bullshit moves by the killer and braindead teammates, every killer I want to play is either boring (hag, xeno) or painfuly outdated and weak (Shape, Saddako, Trapper), the maps feel lifeless after the vidual rework that removed their 80s/90s horror movie style.
this game has become a shitshow filled with FOMO for casual players who DC out of any frustration and don't understand the killer side because they have never set foot there. All the best players have almost left DbD, this game has been dead for a long time.
Hand holding has conditioned this. Self sacrifice on hook mechanic is the worst part of solo que. If they don't have Deli, it's not an option. The mechanic has been very confusing for new players too.
make it only a accessable when last survivor and make it 25%
I actually tend to get pretty lucky on unhook attempts.
Instead of treating the symptom of people bailing on unfun matches by forcing them to stay in, maybe they should make the game fun.
@@devoteeofmediocrity821 i tried to die for a quest since the game was already screwed and I was giving ally hatch. Self unhook first try
@@pukerat7562 The game is fun to me, if I didn't find it that way I wouldn't play it. Other people can grow up and do the same :)
Map reworks have taken out any chance of escaping a tunneling killer. You can maybe get to one strong loop but once the pallet is gone it's a mile to anything that isn't an easy hit for every killer. It's removed any skill expression from the survivor side and feels like you have no agency in your chance to escape after being hooked early.
I typically see teammates kill themselves on the hook if the killer comes out sweaty.
I've never seen people just give up right off the start.
I personally like more casual matches so I will also die on hook if I get a jacked up nurse who is on me within seconds of the game starting.
As long as the killer isn't cracked out, I'll have more fun and be more willing to stick around.
most of the time in my games it seems to be tunneling or camping killers that cause that.
Sounds like a skill issue
@@JediTiga it is on killers behalf must admit. Having to resort to such tactics for a W lol. I can 4k all day without needing to resort to such dirty tactics. So yea. Killer Skill Issue :)
@@Leslie1984Adamsnah lol yall cry for getting tunneled but then loop him for like 4 gens☠️ the most fun thing is looping so in glad if they tunnel
I'm amazed we're at the point where rubber banding is a thing, this game is coming to its end if this keeps up.
you're so right XD guys DBD IS DEAD PART XIV (REAL THIS TIME 2024)
i was playing against death slinger on yamaoka i got rubber banded and it actually made him miss lol, so it can help you sometimes.
@@UnsolverBillions must uninstall
You don’t think it’s already at its end?
@@voripsI WAS DOING DEATHSLINGER FOR DAILY HELP 😭😭😭(I managed to do the daily somehow but just got DCed from the match)
The strangest thing to me is how quickly it came about. In my opinion it must have something to do with the dev update, because before the update, I was getting a dc maybe 1/20 games, and survivors would occasionally give up, but only after the game was a lost cause
Now, nearly every single game since the patch has had a dc, a give up, or some combination of the two
Now granted, I play nurse, so naturally some survivors are not gonna want to play against that. However, like I said, I would get a dc in maybe 5% of my games before.
Yesterday, the first three matches I played had one dc instantly as soon as I charged the first blink, and one give up on the first hook of the game. All three the same story
It came about so suddenly and I have no idea why
As a killer, i noticed that these days i quitted far more than i've ever done. I usually never dc but yesterday i did it 3x, and other games i just stayed at the corner and waited them to get out, and all of them had NOTHING WITH BUGS, it was because i knew it was a lost match and most of them was also because it seemed like everything that i've done or could do is and would be just useless. I don't think killers would dc just because of a little moment of bug, even if he dcs after one, he probably was not good before already. And i'm just tired, if i don't tunnel i end getting gen rush, if i do they have many perks that can protect it + ds again, etc... also 3 health bars, they can just insta heal and these moments just make me wanna go "aight i'm not doing this sh anymore"
“No obnoxious perk combos” is running Franklins which can deny BLOODPOINTS that other players have spent
Oh no can't genrush without toolbox or flashy save poor u 😢😂😂😂
Aww poor baby
I don’t mind about a perk dropping items and such, I just think it’s fair then that the survivors get a perk where every time they complete a generator it gets rid of one of the killers add ons. That way both sides have perks that deny the bloodpoints the other side has spent
@@rainyskyz6567 delusional
@@cry-rs7vv great counter argument bud!
because surv has been nerfed into oblivion, in terms of strength, but mainly fun. there is no in game within the game anymore, its either gen rush go next bc this killer isnt fun or killer is slaughtering the team from the get go. people have adopted the comp mindset after so much exposure from content creators, everything is about efficiency, which it always has; but at the current rate its sucking the fun out the game.
chase is where the fun is at, with map changes and every new killer change heavily favoring antiloop and shift W instead of mindgames and raw chase skill. survivor skill expression feels like its being abolished and the uphill climb for new players to even begin becomes more unattainable.
its exactly how killers felt a few years prior when survivor was the overwhelming power role. the role has def flipped
You know it's bad when BHVR finally has to admit (sort of) that tunneling has become a problem when they revert DS back. Now just do something about the proxy camping and it would be a good start.
I mean let's clarify it's only an issue with solo queue. Being in comms with 4 friends is still pretty good for survivors no matter the killer. You don't even need to be that good at chase in a swf.
I've come back to Dead by Daylight within the past week, week 'n a half after almost 4 months taking my break from Dead by Daylight due to this very issue. It's rather frustrating from both sides of a perspective to really play the game at times because of people next game on hook is my biggest problem. It has even thrown games entirely for me, friends, and others I match with even if the match was going beyond smoothly. Last night as an example gotten 3 gens done, with a fourth gen nearly on the way to being done, and the killer only gotten their second hook. That person was near the corner of the map away from all of us with the gens on the other side (Yamaoka Estate) we were initially set to come out strong, but that person "next game logic" on hook to exit out of the game just because they gotten on hook for the first time. Which wasted two peoples time trying to maneuver around the killer to get the save, they both ended up getting slugged for it and myself being found on the other side of the map causing the killer to get a 4k.
To me this issue does need to be addressed, this isn't something new in my perspective but it has worsened to the point that I can only play with a friend(s) while recruiting any others from the DBD Discord. Which is fine but at the same time I am a big solo and duo queue junkie. I shouldn't need to feel that I have to 4 man swf all the time to just sit down and enjoy some Dead by Daylight.
“That’s it, bye” damn why did that hurt a little? 😂
As survivor:
Wesker pain res pop
Wesker pain res pop
Wesker pain res pop
Blight pain res pop
Nurse pain res pop
Wesker pain res pop
Okay. As killer - DS/OTR/Dead Hard and UB/Adrenaline with the survivor shoving his perks in your face the entire time
W wesker. what, you wanna play against skull merchant instead? if u wanna just infinite loop trappers all day just say that
I get a sense that a lot of DbD players, but survivors in particular, can't cater their experience - they only want to play against certain archetypes or styles - so they throw until they can find something they think is fun
I compare it to fighting games where people will give up and go next if they see a matchup that doesn't favor them or a style they think is "fraudulent"
A filter system in matchmaking would be interesting, but probably toxic, unfortunately
Imo as a survivor main, there is too many unfun killers to play against. Wesker, Blight, Dull Merchant, list goes on. It just get’s old.
@@mordecai6351Putting Wesker there is insane
@@Pablo-pr4vg Yea, its totally fun being grabbed on the other side of the dropped pallet because Weskers hitboxes are broken since his release. Not mentioning him as the most bugged/glitched killer. And the most important thing: his virus, its so great being tunneled with 8% hindered, great mechanic!
Im kinda suprised they mentioned Wesker because noone ever does but I hate this killer, fr
I feel like if there was a fighting game with a roster that is overwhelmingly unfun to go against, it probably wouldn't be very popular.
@@anettelma123Bro has pulled me THROUGH a WALL and a Dropped Pallet 😭😭😭
The rubberbanding has been horrible though. Just had a wesker that tunneled one person out but luckily me and the other 2 survivors punished it and got all gens done. Somehow made some plays and I got both of those other survivors off hook in end game and they made it out. I was stuck off to the side of the gate in a room waiting for wesker to leave and go check the other gate hopefully since he can just throw me the opposite direction if I made a run for it and I had no more teammates left in the game for help. He left and gave me my opening and I tried like 6 times making my run for the gate and each time I was close it would teleport me back into that room. Then of course eventually he just camped the open gate with not much left on the timer realizing that I wasn't going there and didn't have enough time. I tried different pathing which worked and somehow BARELY didn't get thrown in the wrong direction when he inevitably caught me making my run for it. The rubberbanding is definitely frustrating.
The times I quit is because I can sense that the match is already lost.
Knowing that the average kill rate stands at 60%, if I get a killer who knows how to play (above average), the chances of me not escaping are very high.
So, if I see multiple downs at 5 gens, why should I bother playing a lost game, at best I might get hatch by hiding the rest of the game.
You can test this theory by playing like a baby killer, and see how often survivors quit your match.
"What is the acceptable killer?" One that gets 2 hooks max and then stares at the survivors bagging them at exit gate
If that was true then they wouldn't want to go next before the killer has got even 1 hook.
The funny thing is as someone who does this you end up getting players who just refuse to do generators because your rating tanks so much. So I made a rule. If the survivors complete 3 gens before I 8 hook, they get to leave, if they don't the person who I think played the best gets to leave but everyone else dies. Also no slowdowns allowed. Ultimately it's a little boring sometimes and lacking in challenge but its better then playing against toxic sweaty swf and/or bully squads who don't actually want to play the game but just want to make you miserable.
@@Peachrocks5 You do that because you want easier games, I do that because I deem the team I'm facing to be inferior and not worth my time. We are not the same.
(This is a joke, but I will spare a team I can 8 hook if I dominate them hard enough, providing I'm in the mood. No fun in beating down on those who can't really fight back and aren't on your level of skill, just feels unfair.)
@@BigBootyDuty Its more that the better you play the less of the game is viable. Besides with those rules you can still be challenged.
Because Twitter is a circle-jerk of allowing people to "Leave if they aren't having fun", but they completely ignore that it's a team game. Little do they know, the quality of their games would increase if they actually stick around and try.
DON'T PLAY A TEAM BASE GAME, ESPECIALLY AN ASYMMETRIC IF YOU AREN'T A TEAM PLAYER.
I'm at the point where I wish it was like Cod and you could select "no fill" and load in with bots.
@@mckookie2967 I mean yeah that'd be nice. Or just one bot so they can get chased or do gens.
Lol Scott in this video literally gave people a ton of outs if they want to DC, he's part of the problem.
In solo queue it's a 1v1v1v1v1, not a 4v1.
the games playerbase exclusively consists of mentally ill twitter freaks so yeah youre right and it wont change
I play soloq right now and have experienced the same. I think the survivor meta needs to include a anti-tunnel perk now because most killers are tunneling straight off hook since the last update
I've lately given up more frequently because game plays more inconsistently for me. One match is fine and the next one I can't hit half the skillchecks because game started lagging. I always DC so my teammates have at least a bot, but many, I assume, don't wait the penalty. So it's not the fact that the killer does something wrong, but rather that game suddenly becomes unplayable on my end. On killer end it might look fine.
As a killer, I also face this a lot, which is quite annoying. I had many survs just walk to me and die... No slowdown or one slowdown, Plague or Unknown usually, no camp and no tunnel. And I just have a wasted match where everyone gives up after that one guy.
when you play billy you always proxy camp and return to hook, so I understand why survivors just give up.
Tbh yea i noticed that. He always plays billy in such a shitty way
I guess killers are just supposed to take stupid pills and play horribly for survivors to be happy. God forbid your opponent makes a good play in a video game.
@@chocobosnmooglesnjunk7033"omg he doesn't play the game how I want him to so I'm going to DC, that'll teach him a lesson"
@@yaelalfaro excuse some people for wanting to unhook their teammates without giving a free trade. If you cant find someone else you need to run some info perks
Even if I did, which only happens when there was no one on bbq and I have literally nowhere else to go, how the fuck does that explain people giving up before a single hook
Here are some of my favorite reason to leave matches.
1. Getting chased for 45 seconds and no one has touched a gen
2. Watching someone go down and the idiot team mate is just looping around there body instead of leaving and now it’s two downs.
3. Most anti loop killers? I want a chase not a time efficiency simulator.
4. Most maps now just have a million shit pallets which is compounded on top of half the killers having anti loop powers. 😂 why is this a thing??
5. Nurse, skull merchant, blight.
6. Pop and pain res every single game.
7. ??? Idk I’m a killer main.
Point 4 is the biggest problem for me. Maps are completely braindead now. Not every pallet should be a god pallets, but good lord they shouldn't all be useless either.
@@Keygentlemenso true
So your basically just a quitter.
The entire game is a time efficiency simulator. Quite literally the point.
the second one enrages me so much. survivors refusing to give killer his first hook and trying to pick up their teammate turns into a slug party pretty much every time. instead of leaving, they get injured, then they go down, then someone still gets hooked, then we have to heal, unhook, heal, noone's on a gen, the game is already lost at this point
If BHVR allowed players to express their experience beyond 1-5 rating, that data could be very helpful.
I have found that when i play its the same perks that killer are using like pain res and grim embrace with pop or deadlock and then they tunnel and proxy camp at 5 gens. I only jump on now for a few games, and it's just the same thing, so i mainly play other games now. It's a shame cos i loved playing this game.
I would 100% stop offing myself on hook if I didn’t get a matchmaking penalty.
DC penalty doesn't exist for the players, it exists for the devs. If players aren't having fun, they want to leave, but they're not allowed to do that, so they're soft coerced into remaining in the game and just staying upset so the numbers don't look as bad.
@@Keygentlemen It exists for the other players. You're ruining their experience by giving up so easily.
@@JediTigaYeah that argument doesn't hold any merit after DC bots were added.
@@larsliamvilhelm You can't be serious.
@@JediTigawould you rather have a bot with wallhacks but a bit dumb when in terror radius or a dead player at 5 gens?
People have become too accustomed to wanting easier matches. If they get found first, they get upset and if they go down, that's the last straw for them.
Some players absolutely refuse to go against certain Killers -- sure I hate Skull Merchant and Knight, but a reasonable player will at least play the match out until it's gotten to the point of being unwinnable.
Many matches will have at least 1 player who carries a mindset from one of the above points.
Once one player has given up, it makes the match worse for all the other players, so it becomes pointless for them to want to continue and you'll see a DC wave across the Survivor team.
There are also the DCs that happen from players who get BS hits due to the game or some other bug, but I'm not really accounting for those because the problems above have cultivated a "give up unless I know I can win" mentality.
I guess one thing is also facing always the same killer. Ngl everytime I see a Blight after Blight I just don't feel like I will have fun in the match. And surprise, surprise: I don't.
Blight is fun to go against youre just bad.
@@herminegranger8455 There should be a system prevention for that, just like same map variation
@@ethanpeeples6187 Agreed
@@ethanpeeples6187 You lack reading comprehension. Never said Blight ain't fun to face, but that having the same killer after another is just not fun imo. :)
This is a problem in solo que too and when I'm playing with a friend rn like almost all of our games even if it's a ttv or a normal game either one surviver gives up or it's both, the only time I've disconnected this patch is just from not being able to get the new achievement for finding the racoon, that's it, but that one was only on that map, everyone is very easily giving up and I haven't played killer yet so I have no idea why it's like this, mabye having it so you don't depip anymore was a bad change? Whatever it is it's vary annoying and this is the biggest thing that makes me loose interest in playing the game because even if it's a bad bug, you can't really fix players who just wanna be useless and not play
As someone that hasn’t played since before the Unknown came out, I was starting to get into that mindset where I just didn’t want to play anymore but hadn’t accepted it yet, and even if I went back I’d still give up when seeing a Wraith or a Huntress because I just don’t enjoy playing against them and would rather play a match potentially against someone I find more fun to play against
Been playing since 2016 and I definitely noticed a huge uptick in DCs/people killing themselves on hook over the past year while playing solo/duo queue survivor. It genuinely feels like nobody who plays DbD actually wants to play the game. If you don’t enjoy the game, please take a break and quit ruining games for everybody else. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I am absolutely in favor of extremely harsh DC penalties at this point cause it’s getting absolutely ridiculous
Who knew removing depiping would make survivors give up so often.
Depiping was stupid, it’s a party game LMAO
@@Hxpnoticghosteven if ur trying to use party game logic noone will invite u again if u leave the moment ur slightly loosing...
In the last 2 weeks out of all the games I played with my friends, I'd say 16 out of 20 or so games either face camped, or tunneled someone out immediately. It has not been pleasant recently.
Hey new player here(150 hours survivor/killer), I think I know where the problems is for new survivors at least. The problem is that most of survivors dont want to play with some killers because they had bad experience or dont know how to counter them. For me and my friends whenever we see a clown killer we immediately group up and let him kill us because we find him boring and obnoxious to play against. We want to have fun against killers we like and know how to play against, not to learn this game like full time job. Same as wraith(and other stealth killers) some people want to be on gen not woriing if someone is around them and can kill them in one hit or body block them and give them a free hit. I think there is a solution but it will lead to more problems on the killer side. The solution is give the survivor to pick which killers to play against. DBD isnt a horror game it is a competitive game, and like in other competitive games, I feel like there should be a pick/ban system (like Rainbow Six Siege...).
Pros: -survivor will DC less because they will have control of which killer they play against and if they want to learn how to play against another killer they can queue up with only him to practice
Cons: -some killers will have such a small survivor player pool that it will take ages to queue
-if they finally manage to queue they will probably queue with a survivor squad that have many hours and know how to counter his killer very well so every game they will need to try hard
I love to hear thoughts on this. Have a nice day.
I'm sorry, but Wraith is just as bad as SM in SoloQ, it's so boring, uninteractive and easy for the killer that it's not worth it to carry on with the game if the killer makes it so no chases can happen
Plague also, killers other than SM can be miserable, Scott is just incredibly biased towards Wraith for some reason
kinda busted out laughing when he said he plays wraith plague and billy, obnoxious, obnoxious, broken. hmmm i wonder why ppl dc vs him. especially wraith became the no.1 low effort cheese pick recently idk why but you could feel the rise of wraith players
Yall are such crybabies. "Oh no an m1 killer! I can't possibly win against this! It's just so boring to play against!" Play a different game at this point Jesus christ
@@asmith8190 Those definitely aren't the most fun killers to play against in solo queue but if those killers are enough to make you want to go next asap then don't bother playing DBD anymore. Or stick to killer.
@@Antarctide im not dcing vs them dw, was just funny him naming thiose 3 killers
I also do it, I mean giving up on hook. I am so bored of the 3-4 gen slow down meta... Yeah and people bring this with nurse as well. So this and the same boring killers all the time (Hillbilly, Huntress, Blight). I do as well, not always, but if I was in a decent chase and no gens were done than I kill myself on hook.
yeah go play something else
Yeah you should quit the game xD Nobody wants a teammate like you
It so sad what this game become.
I wish I could play the era again when NOOB3 was still active. 😢🖤
With you 100%. Solo queue is objectively killer-sided, and yet all I ever get are killers who play as though they're in comp + baby survivor teammates. For an overwhelming majority of games, this is like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Of course we're going to give up.
@@DingleberrryDan exactly, I only play solo. And since I am not fan of the survivor meta either, I like to try out new things as well. Builds I think of (Saboteur, Repressed alliance, Hyperfocus, Deja vu/scavenger)
i had a huntress game recently with not just one but two people who just refused to chase. they would do gens, but if i ever encountered them or hit them with a hatchet, they would just stand there and do nothing. they took the game out of the game, it was so odd and such a bummer.
last three games I played I DC'd. First game a Wesker was bounding through map tiles and everyone eles was rubber banding. Second was against an unbreakable hex Pinhead which is insufferable. Third was Blight the was t posing and glitching around the map so I DC'd the moment I saw him. I could have suffered through the Pinhead game but he wasn't hooking anybody and was just going to the LC and making constant chain hunts and making it impossible to do anything. So I went and played something else and haven't been back
it is obvious that the survivors are so broken and destroyed that they rage over anything and everything. this shows how unfun the survivor side is. when u get beaten up so many times if someone touches you, u will feel pain. it's basically the same. respectfully I won't play this game if all my friends aren't available.
Not a single content creator outside of streaming play solo queue survivor, so yeah people dc because they play with randoms doing dull totems or chests
You can't get mad if you have fun 90% of the time as swf
@@hououinkyouma6063 Doesn't Scott play basically only solo survivor?
@@kuppa391A lot of duo'ing with Zubat but yeah
@@kuppa391zubat carries
Honestly, the mindset of "it's cool to throw matches against X killer or X play style because why try lol" has lead to people just DCing from anything they can justify.
The Map, the killer regardless of playstyle, certain perks etc.
Which sucks for both sides playing.
Honestly I would rework the DC penalty system to be even more harsh on people who DC often regardless of cause.
The first one is a freebie,
Then within so many matches if you DC you get a timeout that gets longer.
Also take a page from tekken 8s book where in the lobby it shows your DC rate for the season and it would reset with rank reset that way random can see in the lobby if they have a teammate who is a DC piss baby then they can decide if they want to stay in that lobby or leave before the match countdown starts.
Either that or pool high DC players with others who DC often that way players who actually finish matches get likeminded teammates
I dont think the Tekken thing is necessary simply punish people for inting and dcing start weak because shit can always happen and if ur having severe problems that u have to dc/int so many times a temp ban is better for everyone lol.
@skeley6776 exactly, like yes internet problems exist but I really don't think it happening mid game is as common as people think. And if someone is having issues with internet where they can rarely finish a match then get off the game lol
Also I found a way to solve the "well people will kill themselves on hook"
Have 2nd phase be a timer that fluctuates based on how close the killer is to the hook.
Closer the killer the slower the timer.
On a successful skill check the timer is delayed by a bit instead of you losing a bunch of progress by missing a skill check.
The fact behavior still has a mechanic that allows players to kill themselves and is often used to do that with no alterations is crazy
if the killer has gotten 3-4 hooks before anyone of my teammate touched a gen (aside from me) i have no hope for this session anymore and play for hatch or gate every time, because obviously my teammates are already worsethan bots and im not saving bots
I queued trapper with Add ons I didn't realize id run out of on a trapper with no slowdowns and still had two people give up after stepping in a single trap each. it's actually so sad because my off day of trying to play was PVE
I play rarely. Used to love the game but every time I play now it’s not really fun because people are wayyyyyyyy better at the game now than they used to be and I feel as if they overbuffed killers recently. But that’s probably not true. I do often find myself complaining about how strong new killers seem. Like, how they all have sooo many powers and abilities and things going for them when compared to the older killers. Huntress throws a hatchet. Nurse blinks. Hillbilly runs. Chucky can sneak, vault pallets, hide behind loops, run fast, and trick you into thinking he’s around when he’s not via the footsteps. It’s just something that feels overwhelming. And I loved the game and I love the way the game feels and looks and I love getting to play as Cheryl but every time man I just feel like I load up a match and it’s always something. I love playing against most killers but when I load into a match with chucky, knight (whom I see more than any other killer he is on the majority of my matches), trickster (always tunnels), or skull merchant it’s an insta dc for me. Never have fun with those killers and brings me nothing but stress. The game should have a banning phase.
2:15 My guess is that they DC because of your franklins demise. Some survivors can't bear the thought of losing their item.
i had it for one game because they all had medkits. doesnt explain the other 9
Can confirm I am having the same experience, no matter if i play super laid back, super sweaty, no matter the killer, etc. No clue why
I'm trying to come up with reasons that make sense. Scott, when you had all of these DCs and people who killed themselves on hook, was it a particular time of day? Was it like after school got out? I know that we're getting to the end of the school year and maybe we just have a whole bunch of kids playing the game. I'm not sure