If they ever meet again, I'd honestly want them to have a podcast-style conversation where they clear up any misunderstandings, talk about the infamous world record video, and discuss the similarities and differences between classical violin and rock electric violin as well as the public's outlook on the genres (stereotypes that classical is boring, rock is sacrilegious, etc.). It would be nice to hear them have a friendly chat!
@@ellyhooker2718 Episode 40 is a limited edition episode to those who practice! Ling Ling will ingrain what happens in the episode into your brain because it is too complicated to be explained with words and pictures XD
I never got the vibe that Ben Lee was really all that bad of a dude. After all, he tried to play along with TwoSet's roast, and didn't go after them. It would take a lot of class not to be at least somewhat offended by what they did. The setup makes perfect sense to me. As a musician I know I have sometimes ended up in situations where I wasn't totally comfortable but I somehow got convinced to do it because of various circumstances. If you watch that interview one thing that's really clear is that Ben isn't totally comfortable there. Maybe he's really happier as a producer than a live performer. I wish him the best.
@@rosseatsleepjdm It was an act though, I don't think he did it because of his ego. Maybe he was being pressured by his band manager to get Fuse publicity.
Quick summary of what Ben does now: (he teaches me piano), so hes got a wife and two primary school kids, he teaches piano, violin, viola and more probably. He’s a great person and very enthusiastic about music!
So I was interested too who Ben was after TwoSet's video and I went to deep dive into inet and ended up in his insta account and saw few posts about TwoSet video and decided to check who he follows on insta, there were many people I didn't know but then I saw that he follows Hillary Hann so I kept scrolling and that's when I got really surprised cuz he also follows TwoSet Violin account!🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💁♀️🙆♀️I was like, oh sooo, it was kinda "If you can't fight it join it" moment.💁♀️😂😂😂😂😎
Maybe Twoset video was really a wake up call for him to find his true musicianship back (or whatever you call it). Good thing he is at a better place now.
@@ajchandra7735 maybe, who knows?! The whole "fastest violin shreding record thing" was a cringe...and yet he took part in it and not only that but was soo proud of it, as I said, looking through his account I noticed he had many post about his such called "achievement". So it means he was proud of it enough to post so much.😅 To be honest it is hard to understand what he really capable of in terms of playing violin since all we saw was shameless, sacrilegious, out of tune shredding on that ridiculously expensive, five string abominable electra-viola....so yeahhh ...there were not many expectations after that...💁♀️🤷♀️
@@r.g.36 Yeah, cause regardless whether Twoset roasted him or not, it was still free publicity for him (or his band), especially after Twoset's video went viral. I didn't even know who Ben Lee was until I watched Twoset. His band was not that big or well-known either. Bad publicity is still publicity after all.
@@ajchandra7735 agreed he probably took advantage of it even though they were roasting him and pointing out his prof. mistakes.....I guess any kinda attention will do for him then...I also had no idea who sacrilegious boi was😂😂😂😂😂
Great investigative piece! I wish everyone was so thorough with their research. Have you tried contacting Ben Lee to ask him about the impact of the tsv bumblebee video on his life? This could also be an interesting follow-up.
Ahh that would be such a good idea! But 1. Talking to celebrities makes me chicken and I am but a peasant and 2. I don't really want to bother Ben, even though he's publicly "fine" with the joke I'm sure this has been a subject of harassment for years and I don't want to dwell on the negative impacts of the video
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe With this video, you are bringing a refreshing new point of view into the otherwise rather one-dimensional portrayal of Ben Lee. Since his name is now firmly connected with the bumblebee roast, I could imagine that he might be interested in telling his story himself for a change, who knows ...
@@TwoSetPlaylists Another plus side is that if he does respond to a request like that, we can get a glimpse on what sort of impact it had on him based on his reply.
Came for the comedy, but I honestly appreciate the positivity towards the end. People do get bullied or harassed for being a meme or joke on the internet (e.g. Rebecca Black) and even though the interview was definitely off, it's nice to see he's doing well and cool things.
Tl;dw: the band they were in , Fuse, seems to have fizzled out. Ben picked himself back up and dropped the sacrilegious elements. He grew out his hair and focuses on composing/recorded performances on a real violin. His bandmate however still hasn't gotten over it.
I vaguely know Ben from way back. (He was sacreligious before sacreligious was a twoset meme, and in different genres.) 'His bandmate however still hasn't gotten over it.' Was she pissed?
Hey man you shouldn’t condescend all electric violins as “not real-“ sure his diamond encrusted whatever was tacky as hell but there are a lot of amazing violinists who play electric (and play better than the majority of Twoset fans making fun of electric I should add) They deserve respect
The Adobe Flash Player pains me. By the end of December 2020, the Flash Player is dead. RIP Fuse website. I applaud your extensive research in the internet about the band Fuse. Pretty good for a Literature Review. Thanks for giving us this angle... really.
Does it bother anyone else that the meme is "If you can play it slowly you can play it quickly," while the original quote from the interview was "If you can play *something* slowly you can play it quickly"? No, just me?
It bothers me more that since day 1, Twoset and the fans have been ignoring that the whole quote was "WITH PRACTICE, if you can play something slowly you can play it quickly". So in a way, he was actually right. They definitely didn't bag him out based on that quote only, but everyone misinterpreted the shit out of what he said just because they left out a crucial part.
@@AbsoluteAbsurd Nothing is wrong with it. People generally just approve of the traditional more because of the association with history, skill, quality of sound, etc. For example, you'd usually expect a professional pianist to play on a grand piano and not an electric one, despite there being some pretty good ones out there now (Not the best example, but hopefully you get the idea)
Lol electric violins are sacrilegious cause they can correct your playing, even when youre out of tune, it still sounds good whereas an acoustic violin requires more effort to produce great sounds and actual music :DDDD
Yea they are got interviewed locally by the BBC years back and they made me embellish the story to make it seem less mundane, wouldn't surprise me if they borderline gave this guy a script.
Came here for the memes, learned something much better. I loved seeing a new perspective on Ben, and actually feel a ton of respect and empathy for him. TwoSet should definitely see this, you did an aMaZiNg job! Thank you ❤️
I think that Ben Lee is talented, he should have just prepared more for that Guinness world record Also the person interviewing him was at a complete loss
This was great. You did some really good research here. I've sometimes thought about how they tore apart Ben Lee and while his performance was pretty bad, I still always felt uncomfortable that they'd roasted a person they didn't know. I did feel that lack of social media presence by the band just shows that maybe their heart wasn't in it or their comms are kind of rubbish. All iNtEreStiNg things to think about ;) P.s. you've got yourself another subscriber :) P.p.s. Happy 40th birthday to Ben!
I'm actually so happy with the newest videos on his IG! He's playing on an actual wooden violin AND with intonation! Like, nevermind what he did because we all make mistakes but he seems to be now doing music, doing something meaningful. Anyway, awesome video, thanks!
Amazing video and research! Anyone else believe that the Bumblebee incident helped him gain his own independence as a musician? I mean, his whole association with FUSE seemed to end afterwards, he's had non-FUSE gigs and he's produced music, even for the PS5. Maybe the Bumblebee video helped him out in the end?
Nice job. I watched the original TwoSet Violin video,but I knew nothing about Ben Lee save what TSV showed. Your video was informative and entertaining. Keep it up and we'll all be able to say we knew him when. . . .
TLDNW: this video makes the assumption that there’s some big corporation (that lacks a marketing and web/IT team) that pushed Ben into doing his stunt.
Your kindness was such in a high level doing ALL this research to show Ben by another point of view but the sacrilegious Bumblebee one. I felt good watching this video hahha thanks!
I really love the investigative type of video! Yeah definitely do more if you're willing to! It's definitely important to know that we can't judge someone off of one performance and now the backstory.
Dang this was actually really well-made, and answered questions I didn't even know I had! Great job on the thorough research, I would love to see twoset react to this!
this was incredibly well-researched, funny, yet still graceful in critique!!! im really impressed. sometimes we forget that ben is still a person who lives his life in a context we may know nothing about. thanks for sharing!
i loved the video!!! one thing i would have liked to see (but maybe others wouldn't) is some financial info about the jeweler and the company that made the violin(s); and how could they afford such expensive instruments.
I bet that she does. She seems intimately aware of the interview, as evident by her piece "the sixty minutes polka", a modivication on her inprovisation from the interview. To say that she hadn't read the comments before they were disabled seems to be a slim chance to me, but idk
Alma's parents have always been extremely protective. Which is understandable, considering her unusual musical abilities started to show when she was only 2. She has always been homeschooled, takes lessons from private music teachers. Her father even refused to expose her to operas with tragic plots when she was young, because he was afraid it would traumatise her. They also limit her performances, only selecting opportunities that they consider the most enjoyable and helpful for her. She's very sheltered, and honestly, I don't think that's a bad thing. To her parents, the most important is protecting her and ensuring that she has a happy childhood. (This is more than we can say about many prodigies' parents...) Which is why I genuinely think that, even if people may have told her about this TwoSet video, she hasn't watched it, and she probably didn't read any of the comments under the "60 Minutes" video either. I doubt she even watches CZcams at all. In an interview last year (she was 14) she said she didn't have a cell phone and had little interest in social media. She has a computer but mostly uses it to write her compositions. By the way, the comment section under the video wasn't disabled because of TwoSetters (even if it's true they were A LOT of comments talking about TwoSet). Three years ago, it was discovered that paedophiles were leaving predatory comments under videos of children, which is why CZcams ultimately decided to disable the comments on the majority of videos featuring kids, including this one.
@TheCartóon94 it's one thing to make several videos making fun of her. That's as low as it gets in itself. The problem is that twosets cult fans then spend the next 5 years pestering every single comment section with the stupid meme and still do to this day. Not surprised though, twosets whole game is to bully other people, so of course their fans would do the same. Reminds me of trump and his followers.
damn that's some impressive research you did there! I could imagine this be for a essay for english haha but yeah it's nice to see another side of ben lee that isn't associated with his bumblebee performance. i wish him all the best, he surely is a talented musician!
The music for Horizon: Zero Dawn was amazing.Ben has redeemed himself that *quickly* for me just by helping with the sequel. I do wanna know, however, what he thinks of Twoset’s reaction to him ... if he’s seen it.
92K VIEWS IN JUST ONE WEEK?? I swear this is going to be the video that makes ur channel more appreciated, just like the OG Ben lee roast did for twoset’s channel
Randomly came across this. Super entertaining! Obviously your investigation and conclusions are limited (as you point out at the top), but I genuinely appreciate that you chose to portray Ben positively and not endlessly roast him. The world needs more kindness like this. Way to go.
What's really glaring about their media posts, is the near complete absence mentioning any of their music. I mean, typically bands and musicians in general will elaborate on their musical recording - such as origins of concepts, problems developing projects, etc, but here we appear to have nothing.
That "new" single on Spotify is the main title score from the 1992 film "The Last of the Mohicans" composed by Trevor Jones. I guess it only took Fuse 30 years to come up with that INTERESTING orchestration 🤣
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it was necessary for Brett and Eddy to bully this guy. Even after making their video, they continue to make Ben Lee the butt of their joke often. I like Brett and Eddy, so I feel like I can offer constructive criticism to them. Ben might not be a virtuoso, & perhaps his record was a tad sloppy, but I still think playing Flight of the Bumblebee in its entirety is pretty impressive. I’m sure if he plays it at normal tempo that it sounds very good. I for sure can’t play it yet. I also have to say, Brett & Eddy have a goal to bring classical music to a mainstream audience, to interest people in music, & to encourage others to practice & enjoy a musical community. I feel like they sometimes subvert their own message by overly criticizing others who are trying. I saw a video they posted some years ago of a guy playing Zigeunerweisen. He was hitting some parts and fumbling through others. Brett & Eddy just laughed at his attempt and made fun of him the whole time. But I thought they wanted to share a love of music & practice? Do they only mean that for the select few who were blessed with the talent of Hilary Hahn? They went to lengths to profit off of poking fun at Alma Deutscher..... who was FIFTEEN at the time. Was that necessary? She seems like a sweet-hearted girl. Perhaps she even knew of TwoSet and looked up to them as older guys who had a musical platform & great achievements to their name already? I don’t have children, but if two guys on the internet found it appropriate to bully my 15-year-old child on the internet so others could laugh at her, I would have a huge problem with that. They even sold t-shirts that poked fun at her. That’s gross in my opinion. I’m the same age as Brett. I would never do anything but try to uplift those who are younger than me. Not profit off of t-shirts making fun of a 15-year-old. The last thing off the top of my head is the way they make fun of other instruments, especially viola. I get it..a joke is a joke. Here and there, it would be funny. They were surprised when a professional recorder player clapped back at them for making fun of recorder and almost acted like she overreacted. “Lol her label wouldn’t let her make the video so she made a new channel just to get us”. Not even apologizing properly, just poking more fun at her. But are you surprised that she was mad? She didn’t practice her whole life & achieve great things just so two guys on the internet with a platform of millions could make her profession into a complete joke. The classical community is very small, so TwoSet has to realize they basically have a monopoly on public opinion of classical music right now. That’s my opinion. If they want to make jokes, that’s fine. But they could temper that out with short inserts praising these instruments as vital and virtuosic. Maybe they think it’ll hurt their brand to say something good about the viola? But let me put it this way. They seem to think their brand is riding on making fun of Ben Lee, making fun of Alma, making fun of viola.. I dislike all of this. And yet I still like TwoSet! They don’t have to do these unkind things to keep the vast majority of their audience. I like watching them play classical music themed games, make lighthearted jokes, I like when they scream so much it blows out my earbuds when they play charades lol They don’t have to be unkind to keep their audience. But anyway, this is all just my opinion. They achieve their mission very well when when make videos giving constructive criticism on fan performances, when they play their fans’ compositions, and when they encourage others to practice. However, they subvert their own message when they tear into others for not playing up to their personal standard & when they hurt public image regarding other instruments and don’t even try to temper that out by praising those same instruments in other situations. I didn’t intend to write all of this, these are just thoughts that have been on my mind since I started following TwoSet a few years ago. Had to finally put it out there. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
My main problem with Twoset team is a more practical one. They have never credited properly all those videos and sources that they use as reaction material, no links in video description either. That is just borderline stealing content.
Yeah even i see that some twosetters take the jokes too far till offend or insult to people who want to give constructive criticism to Brett and Eddy, especially in videos where they roasted others, i think is the dark side of the channel.
@@milagritosuwu5062 I see more of twosetters take the jokes too far rather than Twoset themselves. I just watched Twoset's newest LL40H video and noticed how Twoset actually cringed and being not really responsive to the overused jokes. Eddy even seemed offended at one particular meme that saying Twosetters are going to chase the next new fastest violin player. Good thing he clarified that there is no problem for being the fastest violin player (read: Twosetters shouldn't perpetuate this toxic behaviour). I hope the fans can catch the gist of what Eddy said there. Also usually CZcams channels have this side of uncontrollable younger audiences, especially when the channel becomes too big. Look at how Davie504's fanbase has become.
Thank you for spending time to do the researching and show us more sides of ben lee. it feels so good to see him much normal and like a real musician now. i hope eddy and brett can see he changed, they would be so happy for him
I believe for certain that Twosetvolin actually came up and saved this man's life by introducing him back to what he can be and may be. You see everyone are up for a good music, a southing rythmical piace that is carried out by a cohesive performance, than some nightmare of a show. Lingling insurance is good and surely he has used one... Though I must say it's sometimes hard coming back out of a well you were thrown in.
14:42 the paragraph before the one you circled in this screenshot actually made me say out loud "....what???" so i ended googling this guy, and. the fact that he played violin in arctic monkeys' baby i'm yours has Completely snatched my whole wig. i mean;; what??
happy birthday ben
Just Another Ling Ling Wannabe 😃
Butterfly effect
@@mysterioushawk2171 You mean bumblebee effect, right?
wait a violist can live 40 years? he can't even play in tune!
another human being, blyat ikr
If u investigate slowly , u can investigate quickly.
True words
Yeah but is it allowd
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Amaaaazing discovery
i wish eddy and brett would react to this
Yo it has to happen :,,,)))
this!
YES they have to react to this someone pls get this on lingling40hrs
& 2setviolin reaching out to Ben to make a collaboration !!
@@BENDANZHU it would be purely amazing
TWO YEARS?! stop or i'll cry
RIGHT it feels like it was just yesterday that they made that video
And on Ben's birthday. Ouch.
@@jksbananamilk ikr
Five now…
Nice research u have here, i'm impressed. Just random thought, if twoset and Ben Lee had ever met what would they do hmmmm
If they ever meet again, I'd honestly want them to have a podcast-style conversation where they clear up any misunderstandings, talk about the infamous world record video, and discuss the similarities and differences between classical violin and rock electric violin as well as the public's outlook on the genres (stereotypes that classical is boring, rock is sacrilegious, etc.). It would be nice to hear them have a friendly chat!
Twoset podcast special with Ben Lee? Interesting!
Here’s an insight of what twoset did when they met Ben Lee : my.w.tt/4S83dHbIM9
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe that's one great idea!
violin lesson LOL
The Ben Lee redemption arc was a plot twist of 2020 I did not see coming
Ohh what episode of Twoset anime is that?
Episode 40
lmao yesss
@@galacticpegasus2477 catch me spending way to much time coming up with a plot arc for the Twoset manga lol
@@ellyhooker2718 Episode 40 is a limited edition episode to those who practice! Ling Ling will ingrain what happens in the episode into your brain because it is too complicated to be explained with words and pictures XD
I never got the vibe that Ben Lee was really all that bad of a dude. After all, he tried to play along with TwoSet's roast, and didn't go after them. It would take a lot of class not to be at least somewhat offended by what they did.
The setup makes perfect sense to me. As a musician I know I have sometimes ended up in situations where I wasn't totally comfortable but I somehow got convinced to do it because of various circumstances. If you watch that interview one thing that's really clear is that Ben isn't totally comfortable there. Maybe he's really happier as a producer than a live performer. I wish him the best.
Nobody convinced him to have a huge ego :L
@@rosseatsleepjdm I don't see him as having a huge ego, but I could be wrong, as I don't know him personally
@@rosseatsleepjdm It was an act though, I don't think he did it because of his ego. Maybe he was being pressured by his band manager to get Fuse publicity.
i didnt really care bcs 2set roast everything that is 18 year old hat exist i love them lamai
He’s manipulative. You saw him dodge all the questions, with that fake smile. He was obviously upset, he didn’t show it because he’s manipulative
Quick summary of what Ben does now: (he teaches me piano), so hes got a wife and two primary school kids, he teaches piano, violin, viola and more probably. He’s a great person and very enthusiastic about music!
Wow he’s your piano teacher! How’s he doing?
What does he think about two-set?
@Mia-nd2bw Im curious too, what does he think about TwosetViolin now?
Ben Lee's back must be hurting from carrying Linzi and their band
@ I knew it
Its all coming together....
I never noticed it from the start.....
He's like the guy in CoD that carries the team who already knew they lost.
So I was interested too who Ben was after TwoSet's video and I went to deep dive into inet and ended up in his insta account and saw few posts about TwoSet video and decided to check who he follows on insta, there were many people I didn't know but then I saw that he follows Hillary Hann so I kept scrolling and that's when I got really surprised cuz he also follows TwoSet Violin account!🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💁♀️🙆♀️I was like, oh sooo, it was kinda "If you can't fight it join it" moment.💁♀️😂😂😂😂😎
Maybe Twoset video was really a wake up call for him to find his true musicianship back (or whatever you call it). Good thing he is at a better place now.
@@ajchandra7735 maybe, who knows?! The whole "fastest violin shreding record thing" was a cringe...and yet he took part in it and not only that but was soo proud of it, as I said, looking through his account I noticed he had many post about his such called "achievement". So it means he was proud of it enough to post so much.😅 To be honest it is hard to understand what he really capable of in terms of playing violin since all we saw was shameless, sacrilegious, out of tune shredding on that ridiculously expensive, five string abominable electra-viola....so yeahhh ...there were not many expectations after that...💁♀️🤷♀️
@@r.g.36 Yeah, cause regardless whether Twoset roasted him or not, it was still free publicity for him (or his band), especially after Twoset's video went viral. I didn't even know who Ben Lee was until I watched Twoset. His band was not that big or well-known either. Bad publicity is still publicity after all.
@@ajchandra7735 agreed he probably took advantage of it even though they were roasting him and pointing out his prof. mistakes.....I guess any kinda attention will do for him then...I also had no idea who sacrilegious boi was😂😂😂😂😂
If ya can't beat em, greet em.
This video was fun and informative and I'm glad it came from such a great and 'acclaiemd' channel
thnak u 4 ur appcreiatoin
ben lee was my violin teacher from when i was 7 till 11... im so glad he's managed to redeem himself :D
Wow that’s actually kinda cool I guess =)
Wow.
WoAh! What was he like?
Nice!
Did he teach you Flight of the Bumblebee ?
If you can joke slowly you can joke quickly
Great investigative piece! I wish everyone was so thorough with their research.
Have you tried contacting Ben Lee to ask him about the impact of the tsv bumblebee video on his life? This could also be an interesting follow-up.
Ahh that would be such a good idea! But 1. Talking to celebrities makes me chicken and I am but a peasant and 2. I don't really want to bother Ben, even though he's publicly "fine" with the joke I'm sure this has been a subject of harassment for years and I don't want to dwell on the negative impacts of the video
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe With this video, you are bringing a refreshing new point of view into the otherwise rather one-dimensional portrayal of Ben Lee. Since his name is now firmly connected with the bumblebee roast, I could imagine that he might be interested in telling his story himself for a change, who knows ...
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe dude you're a freaking angel
this was hella wholesome thank you
and i love how even now you're not wanting to upset him
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe Just remember that they are just peasants as well. They just happen to be peasants with an intermittent audience. 😉
@@TwoSetPlaylists Another plus side is that if he does respond to a request like that, we can get a glimpse on what sort of impact it had on him based on his reply.
Came for the comedy, but I honestly appreciate the positivity towards the end. People do get bullied or harassed for being a meme or joke on the internet (e.g. Rebecca Black) and even though the interview was definitely off, it's nice to see he's doing well and cool things.
Happy birthday 'Sacrilegious'!
Because if you can play it slowly you can play it quickly..
Tl;dw: the band they were in , Fuse, seems to have fizzled out. Ben picked himself back up and dropped the sacrilegious elements. He grew out his hair and focuses on composing/recorded performances on a real violin. His bandmate however still hasn't gotten over it.
I vaguely know Ben from way back. (He was sacreligious before sacreligious was a twoset meme, and in different genres.) 'His bandmate however still hasn't gotten over it.' Was she pissed?
Hey man you shouldn’t condescend all electric violins as “not real-“ sure his diamond encrusted whatever was tacky as hell but there are a lot of amazing violinists who play electric (and play better than the majority of Twoset fans making fun of electric I should add) They deserve respect
The Adobe Flash Player pains me. By the end of December 2020, the Flash Player is dead. RIP Fuse website.
I applaud your extensive research in the internet about the band Fuse. Pretty good for a Literature Review. Thanks for giving us this angle... really.
my childhood has been shot dead now
It's not. Newer version don't support them anymore. Just use an old version
Does it bother anyone else that the meme is "If you can play it slowly you can play it quickly," while the original quote from the interview was "If you can play *something* slowly you can play it quickly"? No, just me?
Ahh, the classic "Luke, I am your father" vs. "No, I am your father" 🤣
not really but im super bothered by people saying slow and fast instead of slowly and quickly
@@es-gf1rd yes me too
Mandela effect in action
It bothers me more that since day 1, Twoset and the fans have been ignoring that the whole quote was "WITH PRACTICE, if you can play something slowly you can play it quickly". So in a way, he was actually right. They definitely didn't bag him out based on that quote only, but everyone misinterpreted the shit out of what he said just because they left out a crucial part.
Plot twist: Ben Lee is actually one of the producers for Twosets also, sacrificing himself again to be one of the hottest topic on Twosets.
Can we just appreciate that he is now playing an ACTUAL violin?
Whats wrong with using electric violin
@@AbsoluteAbsurd Nothing is wrong with it. People generally just approve of the traditional more because of the association with history, skill, quality of sound, etc. For example, you'd usually expect a professional pianist to play on a grand piano and not an electric one, despite there being some pretty good ones out there now (Not the best example, but hopefully you get the idea)
Chloe van Oeveren fair enough
Electric violins ARE violins, its a sub category.
Lol electric violins are sacrilegious cause they can correct your playing, even when youre out of tune, it still sounds good whereas an acoustic violin requires more effort to produce great sounds and actual music :DDDD
There's always another side to the story and so I thank you for shedding light on it. The research was quite good too. Overall loved the vid 😉
Lets be real, I think "fuse" is just there to advertise those "electric violins"😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
My guess is BBC had a role in his bumblebee guiness world record moment, They are known to tell their guests to exaggerate stuffs after all. 🤔
Yea they are got interviewed locally by the BBC years back and they made me embellish the story to make it seem less mundane, wouldn't surprise me if they borderline gave this guy a script.
Came here for the memes, learned something much better. I loved seeing a new perspective on Ben, and actually feel a ton of respect and empathy for him. TwoSet should definitely see this, you did an aMaZiNg job! Thank you ❤️
After what they did to Egg Fried Rice, why am I not surprised that it was BBC ?
I hope Twoset and Ben Lee will have the nice Uncle Roger and Auntie Hersha moment, becoming BFF lol
oof, I appreciate you taking the time to do some investigating on this. It was fun to hear a new perspective on that video
Aww what a lighthearted video. I'm glad he's doing okay. Its scary when someone became a meme world kinda forgot that they are human with feeling too
I think that Ben Lee is talented, he should have just prepared more for that Guinness world record
Also the person interviewing him was at a complete loss
Interviewer knew he was full of ish...... He literally can't play it that fast either.
This was great. You did some really good research here. I've sometimes thought about how they tore apart Ben Lee and while his performance was pretty bad, I still always felt uncomfortable that they'd roasted a person they didn't know.
I did feel that lack of social media presence by the band just shows that maybe their heart wasn't in it or their comms are kind of rubbish. All iNtEreStiNg things to think about ;)
P.s. you've got yourself another subscriber :)
P.p.s. Happy 40th birthday to Ben!
I'm actually so happy with the newest videos on his IG! He's playing on an actual wooden violin AND with intonation! Like, nevermind what he did because we all make mistakes but he seems to be now doing music, doing something meaningful. Anyway, awesome video, thanks!
Amazing video and research! Anyone else believe that the Bumblebee incident helped him gain his own independence as a musician? I mean, his whole association with FUSE seemed to end afterwards, he's had non-FUSE gigs and he's produced music, even for the PS5. Maybe the Bumblebee video helped him out in the end?
True, i thought the same. In the end, he developed himself
"I wasn't old enough to have used MySpace and i'm legally an adult" Lol lost it there!
Nice job. I watched the original TwoSet Violin video,but I knew nothing about Ben Lee save what TSV showed. Your video was informative and entertaining. Keep it up and we'll all be able to say we knew him when. . . .
I always thought that he was an actual very talented musician
But that interview (world record) was the gate for a lot of memes lmaooo
He’s cool
TLDNW: this video makes the assumption that there’s some big corporation (that lacks a marketing and web/IT team) that pushed Ben into doing his stunt.
I knew that he is a good guy and I don't think he was serious in the interview. Thanks for all these researches 💕
LAMENTABLE!
... (jk ur awesome)
Not for Ben Lee
*S A C R E L I G I O U S*
Will lamentable ever become a proper meme
Honestly, I think it's weird that we're all wondering where Ben is at the same time XD
Your kindness was such in a high level doing ALL this research to show Ben by another point of view but the sacrilegious Bumblebee one. I felt good watching this video hahha thanks!
that one researcher that says
"The reason why Linzi has a lot more follower is because of
SIMPS"
2018 TwoSet: Sacrilegious
2020 TwoSet: Lamentable!
This is what you call character development...
Someone get this to Brett and Eddy
This is so well-made, well researched, and enjoyable to watch!!! I hope TwoSet and Ben see this tbh
I really love the investigative type of video! Yeah definitely do more if you're willing to! It's definitely important to know that we can't judge someone off of one performance and now the backstory.
Aw I'm so happy to see the end. Damn he's also looking hot now.
THE WAY I LOST IT WHEN YOU SAID "their 2010 album is out nOw" hAJSBSHSBSHSHSHSHSBSHSBSSHSBSBSBB
I've always felt bad for Ben Lee. Can you post this on Ling Ling 40 Hours so that everyone and TSV can see?
Dang this was actually really well-made, and answered questions I didn't even know I had! Great job on the thorough research, I would love to see twoset react to this!
This really shows the importance of how events are portrayed through media can really affect the representation. Great research!
this was incredibly well-researched, funny, yet still graceful in critique!!! im really impressed. sometimes we forget that ben is still a person who lives his life in a context we may know nothing about. thanks for sharing!
The entertainment industry is ruthless, it seems. Glad to see he seems to be doing well.
Awww this is just another reminder not to judge people too quickly. I shouldnt need reminded by this point
i loved the video!!! one thing i would have liked to see (but maybe others wouldn't) is some financial info about the jeweler and the company that made the violin(s); and how could they afford such expensive instruments.
I wonder if Alma Deutscher knows about the "insteresting" thing...
I'm sure even if she didn't the Twoset fandom would definitly let her know.
Apparently they removed all comments from that one video where she says it. Makes you wonder what kind of comments would have been made..
I bet that she does. She seems intimately aware of the interview, as evident by her piece "the sixty minutes polka", a modivication on her inprovisation from the interview. To say that she hadn't read the comments before they were disabled seems to be a slim chance to me, but idk
Alma's parents have always been extremely protective. Which is understandable, considering her unusual musical abilities started to show when she was only 2.
She has always been homeschooled, takes lessons from private music teachers. Her father even refused to expose her to operas with tragic plots when she was young, because he was afraid it would traumatise her.
They also limit her performances, only selecting opportunities that they consider the most enjoyable and helpful for her.
She's very sheltered, and honestly, I don't think that's a bad thing. To her parents, the most important is protecting her and ensuring that she has a happy childhood. (This is more than we can say about many prodigies' parents...)
Which is why I genuinely think that, even if people may have told her about this TwoSet video, she hasn't watched it, and she probably didn't read any of the comments under the "60 Minutes" video either. I doubt she even watches CZcams at all.
In an interview last year (she was 14) she said she didn't have a cell phone and had little interest in social media. She has a computer but mostly uses it to write her compositions.
By the way, the comment section under the video wasn't disabled because of TwoSetters (even if it's true they were A LOT of comments talking about TwoSet).
Three years ago, it was discovered that paedophiles were leaving predatory comments under videos of children, which is why CZcams ultimately decided to disable the comments on the majority of videos featuring kids, including this one.
@TheCartóon94 it's one thing to make several videos making fun of her. That's as low as it gets in itself. The problem is that twosets cult fans then spend the next 5 years pestering every single comment section with the stupid meme and still do to this day. Not surprised though, twosets whole game is to bully other people, so of course their fans would do the same. Reminds me of trump and his followers.
This was brilliant, thanks for your work on this!
damn that's some impressive research you did there! I could imagine this be for a essay for english haha
but yeah it's nice to see another side of ben lee that isn't associated with his bumblebee performance. i wish him all the best, he surely is a talented musician!
Cool. Classical world has a reporter now. Or maybe it's more of a special segment?
I will never get these 20 minutes back..
Honestly I think he's better at playing classical violin than the electric. It reveals his talent in it!
I was scrolling in my recommended, when I suddenly saw this vid. Ben is my piano teacher!
The music for Horizon: Zero Dawn was amazing.Ben has redeemed himself that *quickly* for me just by helping with the sequel.
I do wanna know, however, what he thinks of Twoset’s reaction to him ... if he’s seen it.
92K VIEWS IN JUST ONE WEEK??
I swear this is going to be the video that makes ur channel more appreciated, just like the OG Ben lee roast did for twoset’s channel
Great research, I appreciate it! Maybe you can link this video on the subreddit so more people (and possibly TwoSet themselves) can see it?
Randomly came across this. Super entertaining! Obviously your investigation and conclusions are limited (as you point out at the top), but I genuinely appreciate that you chose to portray Ben positively and not endlessly roast him. The world needs more kindness like this. Way to go.
That redemption arc made Uncle Iroh proud 🍵 🎻
Omg this video is priceless
That's excellent research, thanks for offering this perspective on the dude, he seems really cool after all
Me answering all the questions you asked at the starts because he teaches me piano: 😊
After Vov’s performance though, Ben’s flight of the bumblebee performance looked genius
Definitely a turnaround for my impression of Ben. Thank you
So ben lee was playing second fiddle....
Ill see myself out
good job on the investigation and thanks so much for the video! We all needed some closure here 😁
What's really glaring about their media posts, is the near complete absence mentioning any of their music. I mean, typically bands and musicians in general will elaborate on their musical recording - such as origins of concepts, problems developing projects, etc, but here we appear to have nothing.
This is really good! 👍👍
It's refreshing to see this alternative point with concise and relatively well-researched points.
A MA ZING
That "new" single on Spotify is the main title score from the 1992 film "The Last of the Mohicans" composed by Trevor Jones. I guess it only took Fuse 30 years to come up with that INTERESTING orchestration 🤣
Indeed, that interview really felt like a sales pitch more than anything else.
It’s so weird seeing everyone comment about my piano teacher
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it was necessary for Brett and Eddy to bully this guy. Even after making their video, they continue to make Ben Lee the butt of their joke often. I like Brett and Eddy, so I feel like I can offer constructive criticism to them. Ben might not be a virtuoso, & perhaps his record was a tad sloppy, but I still think playing Flight of the Bumblebee in its entirety is pretty impressive. I’m sure if he plays it at normal tempo that it sounds very good. I for sure can’t play it yet.
I also have to say, Brett & Eddy have a goal to bring classical music to a mainstream audience, to interest people in music, & to encourage others to practice & enjoy a musical community. I feel like they sometimes subvert their own message by overly criticizing others who are trying. I saw a video they posted some years ago of a guy playing Zigeunerweisen. He was hitting some parts and fumbling through others. Brett & Eddy just laughed at his attempt and made fun of him the whole time. But I thought they wanted to share a love of music & practice? Do they only mean that for the select few who were blessed with the talent of Hilary Hahn?
They went to lengths to profit off of poking fun at Alma Deutscher..... who was FIFTEEN at the time. Was that necessary? She seems like a sweet-hearted girl. Perhaps she even knew of TwoSet and looked up to them as older guys who had a musical platform & great achievements to their name already? I don’t have children, but if two guys on the internet found it appropriate to bully my 15-year-old child on the internet so others could laugh at her, I would have a huge problem with that. They even sold t-shirts that poked fun at her. That’s gross in my opinion. I’m the same age as Brett. I would never do anything but try to uplift those who are younger than me. Not profit off of t-shirts making fun of a 15-year-old.
The last thing off the top of my head is the way they make fun of other instruments, especially viola. I get it..a joke is a joke. Here and there, it would be funny. They were surprised when a professional recorder player clapped back at them for making fun of recorder and almost acted like she overreacted. “Lol her label wouldn’t let her make the video so she made a new channel just to get us”. Not even apologizing properly, just poking more fun at her. But are you surprised that she was mad? She didn’t practice her whole life & achieve great things just so two guys on the internet with a platform of millions could make her profession into a complete joke. The classical community is very small, so TwoSet has to realize they basically have a monopoly on public opinion of classical music right now. That’s my opinion. If they want to make jokes, that’s fine. But they could temper that out with short inserts praising these instruments as vital and virtuosic. Maybe they think it’ll hurt their brand to say something good about the viola? But let me put it this way. They seem to think their brand is riding on making fun of Ben Lee, making fun of Alma, making fun of viola.. I dislike all of this. And yet I still like TwoSet! They don’t have to do these unkind things to keep the vast majority of their audience. I like watching them play classical music themed games, make lighthearted jokes, I like when they scream so much it blows out my earbuds when they play charades lol They don’t have to be unkind to keep their audience.
But anyway, this is all just my opinion. They achieve their mission very well when when make videos giving constructive criticism on fan performances, when they play their fans’ compositions, and when they encourage others to practice. However, they subvert their own message when they tear into others for not playing up to their personal standard & when they hurt public image regarding other instruments and don’t even try to temper that out by praising those same instruments in other situations. I didn’t intend to write all of this, these are just thoughts that have been on my mind since I started following TwoSet a few years ago. Had to finally put it out there. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
I agree.
You have an awesome point there and you are absolutely right
I wish they would see it
My main problem with Twoset team is a more practical one. They have never credited properly all those videos and sources that they use as reaction material, no links in video description either. That is just borderline stealing content.
Yeah even i see that some twosetters take the jokes too far till offend or insult to people who want to give constructive criticism to Brett and Eddy, especially in videos where they roasted others, i think is the dark side of the channel.
@@milagritosuwu5062 I see more of twosetters take the jokes too far rather than Twoset themselves. I just watched Twoset's newest LL40H video and noticed how Twoset actually cringed and being not really responsive to the overused jokes. Eddy even seemed offended at one particular meme that saying Twosetters are going to chase the next new fastest violin player. Good thing he clarified that there is no problem for being the fastest violin player (read: Twosetters shouldn't perpetuate this toxic behaviour). I hope the fans can catch the gist of what Eddy said there. Also usually CZcams channels have this side of uncontrollable younger audiences, especially when the channel becomes too big. Look at how Davie504's fanbase has become.
Thank you for spending time to do the researching and show us more sides of ben lee. it feels so good to see him much normal and like a real musician now. i hope eddy and brett can see he changed, they would be so happy for him
3:08 InTeReStInG salutes those two figures have there on the left
I wonder if the whole thing was, in the end, a blessing in disguise for him - I hope so.
Fastest I've ever subscribed to a channel! This is really well thought out and researched material, looking forward to more!
Well, wow. I am honestly surprised by how he's now, and I'm happy that he's not dead on social media.
Btw yeah he looks good with long hair
2 years for character development arc
Twoset has to see this! Great video, it's good to see another small creator really out there actually trying
Ah, it’s September 15, 2022. All of this was 2-4 years ago. I love just coming back to this and rewatching this saga. :)
I believe for certain that Twosetvolin actually came up and saved this man's life by introducing him back to what he can be and may be.
You see everyone are up for a good music, a southing rythmical piace that is carried out by a cohesive performance, than some nightmare of a show.
Lingling insurance is good and surely he has used one... Though I must say it's sometimes hard coming back out of a well you were thrown in.
Judging from ~that one~ performs I would never have thought Ben would have the talent to do something like Horizon and honestly: good for him.
Ben “pitch” lee. Or….. Ben “pitchy”
This ended up so much more wholesome than I thought
Jokes on you, I edited the Wikipedia page to make his “birthday” the day of his roasting, since that’s the true day of his influence’s birthing
Lol
I'm following this format for my civics project thanks
Please continue this series!!!
I really wish twoset would make a collab with Ben
2 years? Wow, it feels like it was yesterday. This meme never gets old, we love you 2Set
14:42 the paragraph before the one you circled in this screenshot actually made me say out loud "....what???" so i ended googling this guy, and. the fact that he played violin in arctic monkeys' baby i'm yours has Completely snatched my whole wig. i mean;; what??
Dear Lord, has it been two years since then?!
I'm happy to hear Ben has grown so much since that time.