Why So Much of the New Republic is Still LOYAL To the Empire - Star Wars Explained
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The sequels lost such a good opportunity in making Luke to stay away from the fight against the FO not because he was a sad old man, but because he knew that the Jedi were not made to be generals in a war. His order could still be up but decided to stay neutral in the conflict to avoid the mistakes of the late JO.
Luke did mention it to Rey in episode 8, that the jedi aloud Darth Sidious and the empire to rise. This means he did acknowledge that jedi shouldn't have participated in the clown wars. And remain keepers of the peace.
@@TheGreatPinkPillow27 I know, but is a very quick coment. I hate that the JO he was building was destroyed (again), the plot reason for that was to keep the Jedi from the conflict. But they already had a good reason to do so. It could also explain why Luke himself was not getting involved without appealing for the trope of the sad old man (that I hate so much). Also, why Luke didnt wanted to trained Rey. He didnt want to pass to the new chosen one the mistakes of the former Jedi whom he was a represent, being trained by them. Luke could have start to belive in the living force. In the end he could give her a bit training based on that, the believe that the force brought her to him. They could even have a line on how the Jedi of old, followers of the LF had access to powers long lost, like, healing. Something that would explain Rey being able to heal using the force later and tied to her yellow/gold light sabe. At the end, she is the one bring the JO to it is origins. Followers of the living force, wanderes of the galaxy, going where they are need and not agents of any goverment or army.
@@TheGreatPinkPillow27That doesn't follow and is not what he meant.
What was meant was that they didn't stop Palpatine directly, it's got nothing to do with their participation in the Clone Wars.
@@TheGreatPinkPillow27 That sounds like a good idea for a parody. The Clown Wars.
There was a moment in Choices of One where we got to see Jorj Car'das' thoughts about the Empire. I don't recall the exact words, but it was along these lines: He didn't like the way the Empire was, but he recalled the chaotic state of the galaxy during the final years of the Republic, which encompassed the Prequel trilogy and a good number of years before that. If he had the Empire in his right hand and the Republic in his left, he would have held onto the Empire and toss the Republic over his shoulder. Thrawn agreed with Jorj to an extent and informed him he had something in the works in the Unknown Regions - the Empire of the Hand. It had all the strengths of the Empire, but none of the evil. Something that Mara Jade Skywalker admitted she would have wanted to serve if she hadn't married Luke.
Note - this occurred in the Legends timeline, but it could be applied to the current Canon timeline. It was touched upon in the Bloodlines novel. The senator that made his debut in the novel, Casterflo i believe, was of the same mind. He served the New Republic, but was among the Senators that had Imperial sympathies or something like that. He saw that the New Republic was beginning to flounder and believed in order to survive, it needed to bring in the sense of strength and order that was present in the Empire. You have to wonder if there were those in the New Republic who saw that it wasn't doing its job, so they wanted something else. That something else was the Empire. At the very least, they probably wanted to bring into the New Republic the strength and order of the Empire and none of its evil and oppression.
That was the marked difference between the NR in Legends and in Canon. In Legends, the Empire was still a major threat after Endor, and continued to be so until 15 years later. By then, it had been reduced to a mere fraction of its size, and the leaders, specifically Pellaeon, were the type who would honor the treaty that was signed. While that was happening, the NR was able to build up its own strength and get themselves more secure in their footing. In Canon, the war came to an end about a year or so after Endor. The size of the Empire was still considerable, and many of the loyal fanatics disappeared into the Unknown Regions. But Mon Mothma and the other leaders seemed to be more interested in moving forward and trying to create a new government while forgetting the horrors of the many conflicts that had occurred over the previous two or three decades. The problem was that they were so intent on trying to forget about it that they didn't want to consider the possibility that the Empire, or a version of it, would rise from the ashes and start the whole cycle again. And when the First Order appeared, the NR seemed more intent on adapting a wait-and-see policy rather than developing an aggressive-defensive stance - building up their fleets again, but assume a defensive stance that was strong enough to repulse any First Order aggressions. That would continue until the NR fleet was large enough and ready enough to go to war against the First Order if necessary. Not a bad idea on paper, but the dismantling of the fleet after the treaty was signed crippled the NR's ability to follow through on this policy - too few ships to form the foundation for a new fleet.
"It had all the strengths of the Empire, but none of the evil." Interesting I might have to give that a read
It is hard to believe that the Jedi Order did not see the media manipulation going on around them. Perhaps Yoda's words, 'the shroud of the dark side has fallen' were more true than he or any Jedi realized.
Oh on the contrary they did. Multiple times in the prequels do the Jedi mention how they don’t trust Palpatine, that he’s a self interested politician. But there is something e Lee to remember. The corruption and Propaganda within the old republic had been going on centuries actually millennia, sense the beginning of the rule of two the Sith had orchestrated the downfall of the republic.
By ensuring the most corrupt, self serving and incompetent fools got in power the republic was doomed to a slow rotting death, and the Jedi could do nothing as over time they became far too entwined with the politics of the republic to be able to see it from a objective and clear view.
Adding to that as a result when the Declaration of the First Galactic Empire was made the republic did not finally collapse into dust, it simply stopped pretending.
I remember there are a couple of comics where Yoda and Obi-Wan after arriving on Tatooine both realize individually that the Republic deserved to fall and that they had been blinded by hubris and ignorance.
@@Scottington666 What should confirm this is how they handled Count Dokuu.
Especially when they tried apprehending him on Geonosis.
The Jedi were never good with Politics and the media.
They were so focused on their old teachings that they didn't learn more.
The sith adapt and learn so much more beyond their range to blend in, hence why they won.
Well stated. Tens of thousands of systems within the galaxy. Palpatine didn't want to rule over dust and decay, he must have successful systems to act as the backbone of the empire. With so many systems in the galaxy, he could easily afford to have thousands of planets come out ahead, be very wealthy and more prosperous than ever before. So many, an individual could tour the galaxy their whole life and see nothing but success and growth; never knowing what is going on behind the scenes at other systems. The oppressed systems would rarely be seen by the average populace as they would be labeled as off limits or too damaged from war to set foot on.
That's one thing that Legends and to a small extent Disney beyond the movies touched upon, but didn't quite explore - the Rebels in general, and latter, the Resistance members? While a few of them were influential politicians, and important officers, first in the Republic military, and later, the Imperial one before joining the rebellion, they never represented the most economically, industrially or politically powerful wolrd, systems and alliances either within the Republic, or later, in the Empire. Those governments, or sufficient parts of them benefitted by Palpy's New Order. Hell, the Empire wouldn't have been possible without at least the implicit consent, if not outright eager participation by the most powerful Core Worlds and their alliance networks. This has huge implications about the nature of the New Republic, both in Legends and Disney. Because in the end of the day, after Endor, there would be large chunks of the galaxy, with huge population, industry and economy, that greatly benefited by the Empire, perhaps to an extent they wouldn't have under the Republic framework - and that is because Republic laws would have restrained them in dealing with rivals, exploiting less important and influential systems, etc.... This means that at the best of times, the New Republic would have to deal with indispensible members due to their raw power, who would by deafult have Imperial symphaties, and the New Republic simply couldn't offer them as good a deal as the Empire did. And that goes for governments, corporations, and the countless regular people who benefitted by the Empire, at the expense of countless others.
I think that most of the civilians of the galaxy were just blinded by Palpatine’s twisted hand and refusing to see the trust of what he was really doing
Or maybe, like most people even in the real world, they didn't care as long as they weren't personally affected by it.
Or they simply didn't know about any of it.
You got to realize we, as the audience, know more about Palpatine and the Empire than most people do. Do you think a dirt farmer in the Outer Rim has ever even seen a senator in person, nevermind Emperor Palpatine?
Chad = Empire
Simp = New Republic
Not hard to decide who to side with.
Chad
Legends old republic had obvious flaws, but it was more like bureaucracy and any effort amount to nothing. Everyone for themselves. The new republic was more scandalous, and under constant changes regardless of good or bad. Sometimes it felt like sitting down to watch a reality show on the Skywalker family and whatever mess they got that week. Disney new republic tho, they're incompetent and naive. They're not even the good guys anymore, as if all governments are the same. Natural selection, getting nuked with how dangerous the galaxy was.
I feel disturbed finding myself agreeing with the views of the empire more and more over the years, at least they had clear purpose beyond the chaos of democracy. Now, the circle is complete.
One would believe that the New Republic would have crushed those who sympathize in the Empire, and that mean crush the myth of what the Empire was, but the New Republic was simply too soft on those who were loyal to the Empire, especially when they were clear trying to subvert the New Republic rule and law.
It call the rich man problem.
Don't follow this temporary line of story. The Rebellion is the true Republic.
Well eu new republic would have Disneys new republic are just idiots who let every prisoner escape its mainly just to give reasons for why the first order took over and the main way to do that is to make the new republic look like idiots i surprised they even won against the empire
im rich
They would have to "crush" most of the population 😁 In an essence, Rebels were just that, i.e. guerilla group and even terrorists. They did not have either experience or military power to rule. In fact, they "won" mostly because of Palpatine's hubris.
That was a great synopsis of the transitions. Everyone has their own input on the situation, but this was an appreciated dive into the why. Thank you!
Short answer is because Mon Mothma was soft hearted and didn't give the Empire a good purge. She demolished the military as soon as she could and the New Republic got complacent.
Also that they cared more about being ideologically pure than at being an effective government, as we see that they were willing to destroy and ignore valuable resources just because they were involved with the Empire. Just like in Episode 3 Season 3 of The Mandalorian where the New Republic outlaws and destroys technology that could help people and dismantles fleets of Star Destroyers simply because it belonged to the Empire.
To most people in the New Republic military and government saw the Empire as a beacon of stability and when Mon Mothma decreased the size of the federal military many saw that as a mistake.
The sequel trilogy, as bad as it was, proved them right too.
@@canisblackwell it proved them right because its designed to simce people hate the first order since it made no sense for them to exist and they are slowly showing us why the new republic are idiots they've already lost 2 important prisoners who could start a war its very different from the eu new republic i think there just making them a bit overly stupid since they seem like they don't care when these things happen
Mon Mothma in an essence was very close to modern woke liberal women. They have "ideals" but they do not grasp reality. Thus, when such individuals get the power, they tend to ruin things fast.
@@aleksazunjic9672I mean while you aren't exactly wrong was it really necessary to include our real life politics?😂
@@wrought-ironheroEMIYA Well, Lucas based SW on real life politics. Not completely, of course, but certain patterns from real life are present.
Hey The Stupendous Wave, can we get a video about Ahsoka's lightsaber style? Is it still form 4? How has she modified it since Clone Wars or Rebels? Thank you.
I also want this, it’s clearly different
Form V and form IV hybrid
She use to hold her light sabers backwards now holds them forwards. I get for practical reasons they can't do this in the show but I prefer them backwards. Kind of reminds me of star killer.
Disney's New Republic is a toothless organization that's even more ineffective than the Old Republic. This is not going to make it popular as it beings to fail in what many will perceive as its duties and subsequently they will begin to look at the Empire which did perform those duties (often all too vigorously and enthusiastically) and ask themselves if it was really that bad. Just writing it off to greed is disingenuous. But hey, expecting Disney writing to actually have any sort of depth or critical thinking applies is something only a crazy person would expect now!
They made it toothless completely by accident because they had no plan for the trilogy. I doubt anyone intended that to be how Republic comes off, otherwise Star Wars can be criticized as fascist propaganda with how much it hates portraying an actual working democracy...
Long live the empire
Finally got someone talking sense.
Look at Germany right after WW2. Just because a military is defeated it doesn't mean that the nation is defeated.
Also bureacracy and so on can't just have people swapped out. It's all still run by imperials.
I wish Disney would go full allegory here. "They're loyal because the most stupid human will gladly let Palpatine pick his pocket as long as he's being told he's better than the smartest alien."
Well technically a Jedi did kill sidious, Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker redeemed!
Anakin wasnt a master
@@RamenFaces once he came back he was
@@Darkkent83 I don't think he was ever officially dubbed a master.
@@RamenFaces you're right but why wasn't he....because of his emotions. However Anakin returning was in essence him mastering those emotions thus making him a Master.
He’s on the council but he is not granted the rank of master
The Empire is literally a space version of Nazi Germany. But it won and managed to dominate its whole world for a while and was defeated by an insurgency rather than a major good nation. In our world there are still many that are loyal to extremist or tyrannical ideals of fallen evil regimes, so it makes sense for Star Wars also.
Like how many people like the US although this country is in constant war
@@ravanpee1325 Yeah, because everyone asks us to intervene on their behalf.
Not to mention the last two times we tried hiding from the world, we got dragged into two world wars anyway.
@@Lobsterwithinternet that is complete bullshit. you guys stage coups and murder democratic leaders all the time. you are not reluctant interventionists but bloodthirsty warmongers.
It’s bc Disney invented the first order bc they wanted empire vs 15 troops part 2.
The Empire is the only way for a safe and secure society
My opinion: if you had it good in the empire younhad it GOOD. I bet they resent they are just regular people now no diffrent than those they , deemed below them.
Nicely informative video
I’d say the reason they needed to reinstate Imperial loyalists is because the New Republic is too small. They needed the help of ex-imperials so that they can build up a new government especially one being galaxy wide. You’d think being mentally reconstructed to serve the New Republic would be a good thing, but in Mando S3 the real loyalist were able to find holes in the fairly new government to move resources around with not much notice. Even ex-separatists we’re able to find there way into the New Republic here and there. There’s just too many holes in the current order with so much going that’s not being noticed, to sure of themselves to not look into certain events that’re taking place like on Corellia or even on Coruscant itself. I also like to think Sidious’s dark influence over the Empire hasn’t diminished at this point.
Empire Supervisor played a Defense Lawyer in many Law & Order episodes
The More You Know …….. ✨
Probably because the Empire was much cooler, if I were to choose between the New Republic and the Empire, I would choose the Empire
Well the new republic is only shit because the sequels they needed to make reasons for how the fist order took over so they kinda just make the new republic look like idiots
Long live the empire
There is a problem. At the end the return of the Jedi, the citizens of corusant are celebrating the end of the empire. Not all the core worlds were happy with empire. To build his military machine required taxes and suspensions of civil liberty as was shown in Andor. The republic was not a republic as the us. Star systems like Alderaan exercised considerable self autonomy. How much power did the republic actually wield? It was a shaky institution at best.
The scene showing Coruscant celebrating and fireworks going off and them pulling down a statue of The Emperor was absolutely unrealistic and stupid. First, the news of what happened would have had to get back to Coruscant, and what people don't realize is that Coruscant was the seat of the Imperial Government. It had Imperial Academies on it both Naval and Army, as well as a massive Stormtrooper and Imperial Red Guard detachments. The Imperial Palace was there with Mas Ameda and more of Palpatines advisors. The Offices of the ISB, COMPNOR, the offices of The Grand Admirals of the Navy. Basically what I am saying is that scene is so damn ignorant and Lucas should have thought about it a little more before including it in the special editions. The Empire was still too large and spread out for any of these celebrations to have occurred anywhere besides on Endor.
@@randalcook325 There are shade of reality with that scene. The UK and US celebrated after the fall of Berlin. The Iraqis celebrating after the US entered Bagdad. It is true that fighting continued after the fall of bagdad it still occurred.
@@deltonlomatai2309 true but you are referring to two nations on one small planet in our little milked way. Endor was so far removed from Coruscant and its not like the Ewoks had a holonet unit to call someone on Coruscant. While it is also true that the rebel fleet was still above Endor they couldn't just make a phone call and say yay we won and killed the Emperor. Even giving you the smallest shadow of a doubt, the moment someone tried to shoot off a firework like we saw, or throw a rope around the Emperors statue to pull it down, they would have been arrested or shot by the local authorities or stormtroopers. That one scene would not have happened. Lucas made a mistake by filming it. But he de boss.
The rebels were in contact with the rebel leadership. The remains imperial fleet were probably lighting up the circuits letting the empire know that the Death Star was destroyed and so was the emperor. The emperor didn’t plan on succession. Who is in charge. The emperor also planned on the mass extermination of the worlds that supported him. The imperial guard were all to happy to make that happen.
I feel that in any situation, especially war; there are those that are happy and prosper and those who suffer and pay dearly. There are always at least 2 sides.
Those who prosper are always those who are the top of the societies,
And it will follow the same on any other circumstances.
Regular civilian doesn’t benefit from war, nor they can gain and rises up during recessions.
A country that originally talked about regular workers rights and rising up, yet ended up the opposite.
It’s always the case.
Bcuz the emperor told them what to believe and as long you didnt mess with them the empire would leave you alone and make you rich.
It varies from being to being and world to world. For example of those looking the other way; Rae Slone in the Aftermath book trilogy is one of those who benefited from the Empire because they showed up and brought order to her world that was run by criminal gangs. You can note that one of the Empire's failings was failing to go on a massive campaign to crush the criminal syndicates which would've made people more loyal to it
In legends the new republic is constantly evolving with its relationship with empire. Including Jaina solo marrying and becoming the ancestor of roan fel
Genocide aside, The empire did bring stability, economic prosperity, and stamped out corruption.
Question, what corruption?
@@freedomdude5420 The corruption that plagued the Republic. TCW shows quite a bit of it during its more political episodes. However, I don’t quite agree with the OC saying the Empire stamped out corruption. The fact that many military leaders in the Empire gained their power by politics and status rather than by actual merit is evidence enough of corruption.
@@GGBlaster correction it stamped out a corrupt bureaucracy, no government is truly without corruption.
democracies, republics, monarchies, dictatorships & empires
all are susceptible.
corruption takes many forms & operates at many levels.
I'd rather have a (military & police force) government that's all high & mighty but will solve your problem, rather than one that never shows cause you didn't bribe them & chaos reigns as they take your paycheck without helping.
that's the NR official policy, its why Mando laughed as if the NR showing up to keep the peace is a joke.
@@freedomdude5420Go watch Episode 1 and pay attention to it this time.
@@GGBlasterAgreed, but I’d say it stamped out the majority of corruption that existed before and replaced some of it itself.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
About the one devious, manipulative thing don't think have ever seen Palpatine do.. unless there's media somewhere haven't seen yet, is him take enemies like the Rebellion an set them up, sorta like he did at battles like Coruscant during the Clone Wars an make the Rebels look like blood thirsty, savage cut throats slaughtering innocent Stormtroopers an like by actually letting them hit even some significant places an seemingly get away with it..
Nice
Not much diffetences ar out there between the empire and the republic. Especially from the perspective of an average person. I am a hardcore imperial and my bias so great in size than the death star 2. But I am honest about this. The republic in any era wasn't any better just more corrupt with lot more chaos. Long live the empire!
Spoilers? How can you spoil a Turd Sandwich?
Inventory droid is a hero.
Amazing and did anyone in the empire know that Palpatine is the dark lord Sidious and can do force lightning besides darth Vader in Star Wars.
No, only few people knew that Palpatine was supernatural.
Power corrupts, & Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
No.
Power just reveals who you truly are.
G. Michael Hopf - 'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.' Most civilians see their future simply, if they can deceive the system for their own benefit, why not, especially if the system is weak, if they are found out, that will be the consequence, imprisonment or death.
It's not loyalty. It's an unwillingness to see the truth that was right into of them, plus greed couched with whatever excuse that was needed to live in denial of their own actions.
Look a the US and you can see
@@ravanpee1325Look at any country and you can see.
It's mostly because the US is bigger and so gets more coverage than the corruption in European countries, not to mention 2nd and 3rd world countries.
What's the music right at the start?
We already know dog. Ahsoka called it. 'Greed' no need for a 9min video 😊.. tho I watched and liked it ❤
When you put it like that the Empire really is just the United States lol
I've been saying that
You can say that about any country.
The US is just the biggest one.
Luxembourg? ;)
@@Lobsterwithinternet
@@Louis-ue7co 😏 You sure?
As long as the bad things happen to somebody else, most will look the other way.
The most powerful lie uses the truth the weakest lie contradicts the truth
Or maybe the majority of the Galaxy actually liked living under the Empire compared to the ineffectual, bloated, and corrupt Republic that was so weak by its end that corporate entities had grown stronger than it and would have overthrown the Republic if it wasn't for Palpatine and the Clone Army.
Even Luke wanted to go join the imperial academy. When he told Obi-Wan he hated the Empire he was clearly not telling the truth. I don't think he actually hated them until he saw what they did to his Aunt and Uncle.
I think he “hate[d] the Empire” in the same way that some people can hate the US Supreme Court. They hate how the system is set up and what those in power are doing with it, but that doesn’t mean some of those same people aren’t still going to try to become lawyers or work in the legal system in some manner. But yeah, once they killed his aunt and uncle, Luke went from “the Empire sucks” to “the Empire needs to burn.”
Not too surprising if you look at real World parallels. And speaking of which in the anime world I think “Gundam Seed Freedom” is taking a bit of a hint from this.
I wonder what would the Star Wars galaxy look like if the Sith empire from the old republic era, or even the eternal empire from that era was still standing in the modern ideology of Star Wars, such as the original trilogy or the sequel trilogy, if both of these empires were standing in the republic was no more do you think that the eternal empire led by Valkorion and I believe with the might of the eternal fleet, no one would be able to stand up to them, and the eternal fleet would be able to subjugate planets better than the death star wood in Star Wars, canon and legends
the thing with the galactic scale is that people aren't great at understanding exactly what that means, It's why the Clone Wars throws out numbers like millions. Cause we on Earth have organized armies at such a scale, but on the scale needed to see the ENTIRE Galaxy engulfed in war, that would have to be in the tens of trillions. Billions of Clones would have to have been made, with Billions more loyalists in local sector defense forces to support, protect, and pacify a population in its TRILLIONS. Some legends sources state the Droid army grew to such a scale that by the end of the war even with the Outer Rim Sieges still happening QUADRILLIONS of Battle Droids were being thrown into the fight with the CIS still producing tens of thousands of Droid Ships.
So even if the Empire oppressed possibly tens of Trillions of people, by the sheer scale of the Empire Hundreds of Billions would have ever only known the benefits of the Empire and never had to see a Stormtrooper except for the patrols marching along the streets. Billions of people's lives had only improved thanks to the empire, Keep in mind the Star Destroyers alone needed over a billion people to operate, never mind the other ships, supporting infrastructure, etc... that's just for the Navy, the Empire could possibly be fielding in military strength alone 180 billion to 300 billion on the low end, add in all the support personal needed for such a system to function. Well, when the Empire fell hundreds of billions to the low trillions just lost everything.
So it's not hard to see why certain people would support the empire, when you get to this level of scale the "Fringe" supporters of a broken empire are now 300x greater than the Earth's current population, hell their 3 times greater if we counted every Human that was ever born on Earth still. What's silly is that anyone is surprised, and how stupid it was for Disney to say the Empire would just fall after a year even with Deliberate sabotage...
Overall situation in SW universe is state of constant conflict, due to interference of the Force. Average citizen (not Force sesnitive) would not have great life because of that. Palpatine at one point managed to kill most other Force users (Jedi and competing Sith like his master Plagueis). Thus, war ended and economy recovered on its own, as often happens after devastating wars. Lives of citizens improved. Then some Rebel extremists (and lets be honest, terrorists) came along and started another war which again made things worse for average citizens. They managed to kill the Emperor, but were not able to create effective state. Republic again slid into anarchy. Many wanted their Empire back.
that is not true. before the clone wars started by emperor Palpatine, there was a literal thousand years of peace, which is just incredible, under the stewardship of the Jedi. the problems that led to the empire was the corruption and incompetence of the republic which led to the corruption and incompetence of the empire. the rebels may have been extremists and terrorists ( to some measures of thinking) but they were wholly justified in everything they did against the empire. the problem was the institution of the new state to replace it which was bungled.
@@aurum-anadeus4875 It is funny you mentioned that: Jedi created relative peace by effectively neutering themselves (no families, no attachment, no procreation, no children ...) , thus weakening Force-sensitive bloodlines. They also killed any other Force users they could find, proclaiming them as Darksiders. It seems that only way of getting some semblance of peace was to put Force down.
Let's be clear on one thing: both the Republic and the Empire wanted peace but instead they both caused wars that destroyed each other.
Although that is true each had there own variations on politics
The new republic was more democratic
While the empire was more monarch/dictatorship
The empire believed that by gaining control over the galaxy they could rule though intimation and power. While the new republic believed that democracy and unity was a straight forward answer
The Separatists and Rebels also wanted peace just with freedom from the Empire/Republic
Too bad there was never a Truce at Bakura.
@jessemillan1385 do you mean separatists since the empire wanted order/control not peace there's a huge difference
Peace in SW Galaxy is impossible because Force itself demands conflict and war. Palpatine did manage to kill off most of other Force users (i.e. Jedi and his Sith master Plagueis) so there was some kind of peace for 20 years.
Everything is true. Mixed of everything. Some had everything,good life,future. Propaganda worked like a clock. They didn't want to loose their privileges,rankings,standings in society. It makes sense. But the New Republic was also very weak and soft towards the Imperials. Much like Old Republic was. They subverted and sabotaged the New Republic every chance they get. We see now in Ahsoka. Ahsoka and her friend saw this directly. This changed the view a little. May the Force be with you too😊
"Thousands of jobs" in a galaxy of trillions
Money. The rebellion was a small fraction. Just like our reality, unless it begins to directly affect them, people look the other way.
Pretty much.
Plus, contrary to most shows and depictions, there were many worlds the benefited from the Empire more than they did with the Republic.
8:35 what ever happened to the grand admiral Yularan?
Yularen was killed on the death star in A new hope.
It's very easy senator Dagonet by this point he should have been well known, he was willing to kill his own people. That was the Republic and democracy like Obi-Wan at Anakin. So for most people they should always be with the empire to their last breath. After all look it's like 25 years from now three worlds were destroyed because of the new republic's incompetency.
5:34 were there ever any storm trooper companies or larger of non-humans?
The Emperor was a master at chess, but very evil indeed
If you were one of them, then you had safety so long as you could demonstrate conformity 🤷🏼♂️
Yes. True. Both the Empire and Republic truly wanted peace, it's just their interpretation of peace were diametrically apposed.
the empire was led by Emperor Palpatine who absolutely did not want peace. the empire was a fascist dictatorship that always needed an enemy to fight so as to justify its horridness and extreme military budget. they could never exist under truly peaceful conditions and would always have to partake in the extreme violence of slavery and oppression, the presence of which invalidates any claim of peacefulness.
Because the empire was jsut an empowering of the republic. The lines have been blurred
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Long live to the empire
The Empire was literally just a gov’t job. Good pay n benefits but a lot of hours.
Probably get some real time off and vacation days 💯
And probably the best job prospect most people in the galaxy could hope for.
Why is so much of the New Republic still loyal to the Empire?
Simple case of weak writing.
The last season of The Mandalorian and the first season of Ahsoka open with the exact same situation. A former high ranking Imperial is being transported to a New Republic Prison. Gideon's escape happens off screen, possibly from overwhelming forces, but Morgan is broken out because the New Republic captain is an arrogant idiot that gets his crew killed.
The shows might be fun to watch, but even my 7 year old can predict what is going to happen.
As I told my wife, Dark Helmet was right, "Good is Stupid." Too often the good guys survive by plot armor. Example? Why did Ahsoka leave 3 droids that she'd separated from the pack operational enough to detonate some sort of ground clinging nuclear explosion?
Honestly, they should have done something showing planets that benefited greatly under the Empire.
Maybe a planet infested by slavers or bandits that the Empire clears out and brings law and order to or an incompetent ruler who gets removed and is replaced by a more competent Imperial ruler.
Then they can show that there were reasons why most people supported the Empire and would look on it with rose-tinted glasses.
"They offered young people a chance to tour the galaxy." As Aldeeran is shown exploding. That's pretty ironic.
Palpatine had never intended for Alderaan to be destroyed in fact he was mad about it. Had tarkin survived, Palpatine probably would’ve executed him
@@Knight2007_ "We are not butchers Sidious, like some previous Sith Lords. We are architects." Darth Plagious
@Knight2007_ Tarkin was an idiot. The fact that he believed an extreme show of force would make the galaxy more complacent was stupid.
corporations are not loyal to any country
Something Disney knows well
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Palpatine himself wasn't really a xenophobe, rather he utilized other humans' xenophobia to bolster support with humans as they are the most populous in the galaxy. There's probably some near humans and core-world aliens that are loyal to the Empire as well, regardless of a human-centric regime.
Also, the instability and corruption of the New Republic also led to people thinking back on the 'old empire'
People see the Empire as a improvement over the Galactic Republic, and the New Republic as a return to that ineffective sort of government.
Also, Palpatine didn't make the Coreward worlds rich. They were rich before he even got there. What he did do was root out corruption, redirect power away from the bureaucracy (the Star Wars equivalent of the deep state), and bring a much larger degree of security and order to the Rimward worlds.
I mean, people talk about all the horrible things the Empire did, but the Galactic Republic pretty much did worse through their neglect. Take Naboo for example. People got rounded up in concentration camps over a tariff dispute. So sure, if you rebelled, the Empire would brutally suppress your planet. But under either Republic, you could do nothing wrong and still be attacked by pirates, slavers, Separatist warlords, or corporations.
Easy Emperor Mickey want's it that way
It's about the money and that's all and it has only been a few years from ROTJ
Goes to show how simplistic some people’s views are.
So before watching the video ied say it’s because the empire was just to large to wholesale replace, think of the countless worlds the empire spanned to be honest getting rid of the Empire from the entire outer to mid rim would be far easier than just removing them from only coruscant, so there was only so much the new republic could do aka they got rid of the dumber ones that openly shouted for the empire (there was a small chance the commander could still have talking his way out of it or played dumb if that dumb supporter hadn’t pulled a blaster) and they repainted over the rest and called it done, that was their mistake they cut off the flower and thought the weed was dead but its roots run deep.
Why would the new republic scrap working star destroyers to make newer ships? I feel like they can use them or if they are out of date at least retrofit them. It's feels like an incredible waste of resources and time.
Love how accurate this mirrors how a real life corrupt politician or government turning the people on themselves. The levels of political manipulation and espionage is astounding. Why does Disney not realize the explainable depth that this universe has IS WHAT MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL!
Because it's a children’s entertainment company that’s used to making stories for children.
I would give them that out IF they hadn't had a history of creating levels of depth to many different aspects of their entertainment. Disney has tied SO MANY MOVIES TOGETHER from easter eggs to flat out hinting that some characters origins stem from other movies. It really shows what they put effort into and what is nothing but bare minimum for a "safe" cash grab. @@Lobsterwithinternet
Nooooo, we can't have nuance we can only have "haha stormtrpr dumb"!!!
Sounds like you could be talking about the Roman empire.
I have to admit, I may hate Palpatine, but he is my favorite villain, and a true Sith Lord.
Not loyalty - greed
So the Empire didn't have loyal people who actually believed in it?
I guess Thrawn doesn't exist, then. 😂😂😂😂
Technically, the Empire was the legitimate government and the Jedi tried a coup
And Palpatine was democratically elected.
People forget the simple truth about villains working together, they don't work together.
Bad guys aren't friends with bad guys. It's based on what benefits them. They always remain unorganized. They'll never unite.
Spoiler Alert: As Ahsoka said, It's not loyalty. It's greed.
First off you could not be more wrong the empire was built on not just power alone but the concept of what they thought was right or wrong. Emperor palptine established the galactic Empire so that he could rule the galaxy though fear but to meny imperials who joined the empire they thought they were making a deference they thought there actions justified there means
It wasn’t about benefit it was about prospective
@alexanderhussussian5653
Uhhh, I know that because Battfront 2 showed the characters in the campaign who didn't know they were being used and the Rebel Alliance were the good guy, so my statement still stands. The Empire's was benefiting from them and they didn't know.
Tell that not loyalty bullcrap to the Imperial officer who was all willing to commit suicide for the cause in Mando season 2.
Is bad writing lol
@bobafett9348
Of course he did, cause he'll be staying in prison for the rest of his life. That's why he killed his men. He was a really bad man.
I want to say this many empire sympathizers is unrealistic…then I remember the confederacy…lasted 4 yrs, yet nearly 200 years later there are still large swathes of the American population obsessed with it.
Not really.
You do realize we only see the Empire from the perspective of either Jedi or Rebels, right?
Is it too hard to imagine that there might be average Joes that benefitted under the Empire’s peace, security, and order?
And with the failure of the New Republic in all three cases, would it be any surprise that those same people might want to go back to that?
What stability security and order did the empire provide?
From its inception, there was rebellion basically.
We’ve seen the empire from their own perspective several times particularly in Andor.
The empire loved to talk about stability, and security, but if you live a secure and stable society the government doesn’t need to keep telling everyone about how secure and stable things are.
However even if some regular joes found enhanced prosperity under the empire that literally doesn’t change anything I said in my post.
I’m sure some average joes experienced enhanced prosperity under the confederacy too, but that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here.
@@johnpjones1775 Then you’re not really familiar with most of the Star Wars galaxy if you're saying that since it is one of the reasons why Palpatine was so popular and why people hated other bureaucrats and the Jedi.
Most of the galaxy isn't Coruscant or Alderan or even Ferrix. It's most like either Tatooine or Kenari which are either backwater crapholes or places plagued by bandits and/or organized crime. Back during the tail end of the Republic, these places didn't have any actual law enforcement whatsoever as they didn't have the power nor the will to govern them and left them to criminal organizations like the Hutts or Black Suns or they left them in the hands of major corporations like the Trade Federation who became a government in its own right. After the rise of the Empire, a lot of these organizations were either destroyed or put on a tight leash as we see when Syril screws up so badly that the Empire steps in and takes over from the Preox-Morlana Authority.
How old are you and what planet do you live on? Have you ever listened to political ads before? Pretty much half of them are either talking about how stable and secure things are when their candidate is in charge and the other half of the time is about how secure and stable things will be when they get elected. So pretty much every government in existence, even dictatorships, talks about it.
Then what are you talking about? Since I'm responding to how it's unrealistic for the Empire to have as many supporters as we’ve seen. Most of which I would chalk up to inconsistent writing, Flanderization, and the perspective we as the audience see in the movies and TV shows.
Unfortunately The First Order blowing up Coruscant is still Inevitable because of Disney.
But in the bad batch. All the voices of every stormtrooper are basically men
Rebels kind of undermines this theory as it thoroughly shows how oppressed and miserable many planets are. The average citizen wasn't a fan of the Empire, let alone loyal. Most other theories show that by the time of Sidious' death, most people didn't even believe the Jedi existed. Han was old enough to know they did, yet he didn't. I think this entire video is a huge reach to explain a plot hole. It didn't make enough people rich for there to be so many still loyal, seemingly everywhere someone goes.
Disney pay your employees this is literally American politics. You’re getting bottom of the barrel writers because you won’t pay the good ones. You’re current scabs are just watching the news their not working.
Pay your employees a good wage and then you won’t have garbage like
she hulk, secret invasion, multiverse of madness, moon knight, falcon and winter soldier, mandalorion season 3, rise of skywalker, the last Jedi, Solo, Kenobi, book of boba fett, the Ant man Trilogy, miss marvel, eternals, black widow, Thor love and thunder.
All these Critical Flops could’ve been avoided if you paid your writers a living wage.
Sir simply put some people thrived under the "Empire". They are the only ones that want it back. People need to understand that is a large number considering it's across multiple planets. 👁️
I'm inclined to say it's as you said; evil as the Empire was, there were certainly many people who in one way or another benefited from it. At the risk of sounding terrible, it can kind of get back to racism; why are sone people, who have never suffered personal hardship from another group, still racist against them? In this real world, they have the same blood, same design, and many of the same experiences, yet others treat them like they are from a different world, and are lesser for it. Now add in if theyvreally are. Star Wars is full of aliens, in the truest sense, and if humans can so easily despise other humans, simply because of slight physical, psychological, or religious differences, what happens when those people now look like monsters to which we ascribe fear? They don't look like us; they might not even breathe the same air. Plo Koon was a fine, upstanding being, so far as I know, but the very air we breathe is harmful to him, and his to us. Chewbacca is very smart, and there's no reason to assume he's an oddity, in that way, among the Wookies, but they can't speak in a way we understand, and with their more animalistic features, maybe it's easy to see them as less? What really separates us from dolphins, chimps, or other "smart" animals on Earth? If any of them could speak a human tongue, would we see them in way we'd be less likely to arbitrarily make decisions regarding them? Where this bubble is going is how many of these Empire supporters were simply human? Humans are incredibly widespread in the SW verse, and many either directly benefited from the Emperor's pro-human mindset, or at least knew of the better place some humans held over the orher peoples of the galaxy, which was how they liked it. And maybe sone didn't want to just go back to how things were before? The New Republic wanted to make things right again, but even when they could deliver, who was benefiting, and whk wasn't, or was actually being diminished, as for every gain, there has to be a loss? Yes it sounds terrible, but even the worst people often have some internal reason for believing what they do, or supporting the bad guy over the other people who aren't themselves.
A bit off topic, but could we ever get a video about the gender divide in the Empire, or the lack of one? Stormtroopers don't have boobplate armor, unless it's a fan at a convention, and even Captain Phasma could've pulled Samus, and let everyone think she was a guy till the end, if she hadn't spoken, so they can seem uncommon. In Legends, we see several women in different levels of power, such as Admiral Daala, Ysanne Isard, and others, but were they still as unusual as they seemed in the 90s, when people might have just assumed they slept their way to the top, or other unflattering things? It might be an odd idea, or a short video, but after a wall block of "what is racism", it got me wondering, among the humans who were benefiting from the Empire, how many of them were women, or could be women? Just curious, as I feel it could have changed over the decades, as authors writing, and public opinions have also changed.
The New Republic probably repeated the same mistakes than led to the downfall of the Old Republic.
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Sadly we're seeing much of that now in the US. Despite how difficult things are becoming under the current president people still look to him as, for lack of a better term, a saviour; which he is not.
You just made me imagine Biden as Palpatine. And fuck if that wasn't terrifying instead of comical.
@@canisblack I mean...lol...tell it me aint true though
@@Treisiessorange man or Rhonda Sandtits are way more terrifying
@@stargatecommand714there not but if Biden keeps up then people will start questioning what was so bad about Trump
@@petervizzini8239 perhaps the fact that he tried to overturn an election....
It's a question that applies to real life. Just look at how so many people are still loyal to Trump despite everything he's done. There's no one reason, there's a whole multitude of different reasons from different people.
Yep.
Not to mention people who are desperate for change no matter who says it.
It explains why idiots will follow an evil person who gives them nothing in return, both in fiction and in the real world.
Or this is just a Flanderization of the Empire we get out of a fanbase that has made jokes at its expense for so long that they're taken to be true.
Geez, that look's like Brazil's Bolsonaro, exactly the same feelings.
The Disney new republic is so lame.
Because they’re greedy
Because Sheev Palpatine did nothing wrong.