Least Used New York Subway Station - Beach 105 Street 🇺🇸
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2023
- So I found myself in New York riding the Subway a lot, and met up with Miles from 'Miles in Transit' to go and visit the Least Used Station on the MTA Subway, it's Beach 105th Street!
Huge thanks to Miles for being brilliant, you can watch him here : / @milesintransit
The bonus video where we sit and chat is here : • Choo Choo Chat (No.9) ...
You can download the MTA Subway and Bus Ridership spreadsheet here : new.mta.info/document/91476
You're telling me this guy can't tell the difference between an R68 and an R46? Man, where do you FIND these people? 😅
😆FIND - I see what you did there :)
Not gonna lie I somewhat died inside when you said R62, that's not even the right division lol
I'm sure 10 years from now there will still be brand new comments about that. Welcome to my world of accidently saying R160B instead of R160A.
@@BrianMonroe HA!
@@OltonHall Oh my god 🤣I can't tell the difference between R160 and R179!
Now we need Miles in the UK. The least used station is always out in the middle of nowhere. And if you've seen Miles' videos, you know how he likes to explore and show off the community.
I'm sure the least used station in New York State will be very in the middle of nowhere.
This I guess is the equivalent of Drayton Green which isn't that remote.
Miles in the UK are still used on the roads, as I recall.
@@katrinabryceThe least used station in NYS is technically the temporary station at the NYS Fair, but the permanent one is Glens Falls, a little south of the Adirondacks.
@@zzzaphod8507 I literally thought this comment was about the fact that UK should use miles and not km. Titan's comment could mean two ways. It could also suggest that the UK is going backwards and not forwards but your comment is correct.
However, I think metric is used on UK railways as Canada uses imperial on their railways but not roads.
@@annabelholland Canada uses imperial on the railway because their trains are from the US and only have MPH on the speedometer. They also only just went metric in 1987, so a lot of the rail equipment predates the switch. The UK railway and everything else in the UK is very much still imperial as well. Changing from imperial to metric poses a safety risk, as the drivers need to know what the new speed limits are, so it's only worth doing on semi-automated lines that don't rely on drivers to set the speed
Now *this* is a crossover!
as a NYer who's been watching you for years, this is making my heart GIDDY!!
then you’re gonna enjoy the next few videos ..! 😅
@@geofftech2 bring it on 👀
SAME!!!!!!
@@geofftech2 oh fr?
@@dylanthepickleseller8750 yaaaay! can't wait :)
The collaboration we didn't know was possible, but that we desperately needed.
Miles' channel is awesome, very cool to see him here!
Geoff always seems surprised when binbags are actually inside a bin
Because they never are at UK stations as the solid non-see-through casing would be (and has been) a decent way to hide a bomb.
Also why our railway station bin bags are see-through.
@@JasonCliftJones That's what I figured. The big black ones are made of really thick steel and rounded to the opening on top and are supposed to be bomb resistant.
One stop down at the end of the line, Rockaway Park - Beach 116th Street station has a diner inside the station house. A visit there would really make this a certified Miles in Transit adventure
I've gotten to meet Miles myself; he's a pretty cool guy! Great that you got to hang out and explore with him!
Best moment of my whole life. Note, Geoff is so much less wary of the filth on the subway than us who have lived there extensively,lol!
Does anyone know where the bonus chat video is?
@@tristanmccoppin5761have you checked the description?
Filthadeplia is just as bad
I mean, it’s hard plastic. There’s only so filthy it can be without being visible. Or at least smelly.
Nice to see you in New York! You’ve inspired me to start my own CZcams channel covering the New York City Subway (even doing a similar type of Least Used Stations series here). Would’ve loved to run into you in your travels. Anyway, hope you had a fun stay here in NYC.
(Also, Miles, that was an R46 lol)
A really good channel it is!
I LOVE your channel!
Mystic, given that you've done least used on the NY subway, I was hoping this would be a collab with you (as much as I like Miles and the wider Miles In Transit Expanded Universe)
@@TheMusicalElitist Thanks!
@@samuell.foxton4177 Yeah I wish it could've been.
Miles was on point singing the theme tune.
Miles is great. Love this.
I swear I was just thinking of how cool a Geoff and Miles collab would be and here it is. Thank you both!
Indeed well done both!
I can't believe Miles is in the video, never expected this to happen!
(MTA employee)
So, general gist of all this, the line was built across Jamaica Bay in the 1880s, as miles said as a wooden trestle, by a subsidiary of the Long Island Rail Road. The trestle burned down in 1950 after it is believed a lot cigarette was tossed out a train window.
LIRR service was maintained because the line was effectively a loop.
Service continued to run via the eastern half of the loop, and a single track section where the two branches split.
The city had wanted to send the subway to the Rockaways, so bought the entire line within its borders a few years after the fire, adding it to the subway as the IND Rockaway Line
The trestle was replaced by a shorter bridge and a long causeway, which we transit workers call “The Rockaway Flats” (it has a third extra track we use for testing new trains). The line was then connected to the Liberty Avenue elevated, which itself had recently be rebuilt to connect to the A.
Under normal circumstances, A trains alternate between the shorter branch to Lefferts Blvd or the longer run out to Far Rockaway. The shuttle normally runs 4 car trains of R46 class or 5 car trains of R179 class, with only the train operator on board. Geoff and Miles happened to go there on the weekend, when, during the summer, the shuttle is expanded and runs full length trains with a full crew aboard.
It’s also extended to Rockaway Blvd, to connect to Lefferts Blvd branch A trains.
Under some circumstances, the shuttle has to be rerouted via the connecting track.
Each of the intermediate stations on the peninsula also has a second name, ether an old name or a sub name.
They are (in increasing numerical order starting at Beach 25th) Wavecrest, Edgemere, Frank Ave, Straiton Avenue, Arverne by the Sea, Holland, Playland and Seaside.
The connection track and the split of the two branches forms what is known as “Hammels Wye”.
I know the safety warning is annoying but we’ve been dealing with an increase in people being hit by trains, ether on accident or attempted suicides. Adding to the increase in people “surfing” on the outside of the trains… well… put it this way… I’ve worked down here for a year now as a conductor, and, they tell me it’s not an if, but a when, I’ll be involved in my first what we call a “12-9”.
Side note: the person who recorded that announcement (and also does the next train announcements on the IRT(the numbered subway lines) is a trans woman.
@@geofftech2 actually wrote all that while siting on the R211, waiting to depart the yard for the AM rush.
Currently sitting on it to go home.
Not everyone is trained on crewing the new trains, so a dedicated train crew rides back and forth and takes over if the assigned crew is not qualified. As I am qualified to be her conductor, it’s been my recurring job the last month or so.
They had one point where both active service R211s were in the terminal station at the same time and none of the on hand crews could take ether of them, so they had to set this gig up.
Geoff. I work on the buses in Chicago. We have a huge bed bug and roach problem. The seats used to really disgusting when we had cloth seats. They would get bodily fluids, food and drink all over them but we recently changed to a vinyl seat. So much better lol.
If you come to Chicago I can give you a tour.
I'm an ex pat Brit by the way too. I love your vids they make me happy and homesick in equal measure
Padded vinyl and normal seats would be vastly better than the newer NYC flat long hard benches designed to be painful to sit on.
Even Miles says in one of his videos, you were an inspiration of his series "least used station"!
The collaboration we never knew we needed
Good to see Miles in your video Geoff. I've been watching his content for a while now.
Don't miss Thom from Trains are Awesome. He does wonderful content too
There are so many subway things you can see. Broadway Junction, Chamber St station (J), abandoned stations, etc. Did you know that Broad Channel is on an island? Take a ride on an elevated train. Go to Coney Island. 4 different ways to get there. Take a ride over a bridge (Manhattan or Williamsburg). Oh the possibilities!
Six years of Least Used, he finally hums the theme!
When Geoff touched the subway train seats, a part of me died.
The one crossover we all were waiting for. Miles seems only a smidge less star struck than the rest of us would have been
If you are near Chicago, definitely visit the Quincy station on the CTA. Its not the least used, but its 1897 era restoration is amazing.
Only one Quincy?
I know some stations names are duplicates on different lines (outside of the loop)
Quincy in the loop. I’d love to go around the EL with Geoff. Show him how we’re the only rapid transit system with railroad crossings
From memory the pointing thing was started by Japanese railways as a safety thing. If you ever see a clip of a Japanese train driver you'll see them pointing at every signal or board or whatever.
The idea is it forces a stronger connection in your mind to the action you're about to do. Making it an explicit action where otherwise you might end up on autopilot.
I would say in Europe this was tackled more through the use of automation like AWS for catching SPADs and using track bailese for doing stuff like SDO. Of course there's nothing stopping you from doing both as you can see in Japan where they have also installed such technology and in cab signalling.
Spot on about Japan. It's called "point and call" or "pointing and calling", and they found it massively reduced the number of human errors. If anyone wants to know more about it, search CZcams for "What's the Point of Pointing in Japan".
They do it on the Toronto subway too!
and yet sometimes people end up on autopilot anyway...
It ensures the engineer stops the train at the right spot on the platform.
@@Islington_Express_Bus IIRC, it was brought to Toronto by Andy Byford, who came from the MTA. (Or did he go to the MTA after the TTC? I forget now...)
A lovely collab! Feels like a collision between the UK and US rail nerd cinematic universes 😂
Having lived in New York and London, the plastic seats are a blessing and I still wouldn't put your face that near them 😂
As a non-NYer, I also internally screamed when Miles called the R46 the R68 then the R62...
Here's a quick lesson from a non-NYer.
-R46s (and the older R44s) are the longest in the NYC Subway, being 75 feet long. They have wood panels between seats at the doorways. They also have LCDs (except for the R44 units in Staten Island). The R46s (and formerly R44s) run on the B Division (formerly the BMT and IND Lines). The lights are placed horizontally.
-R44s is the older version of the R46, they also had the same traits as the R46s. However in 2010, the MTA decided to retire the R44s early because they were too fragile to be in service, this failure was the effect of constant acid scrubbing during the 1970s and 1980s, when the MTA had a huge problem with graffiti and crime. The only R44s remaining are the ones running on the Staten Island Railway, the R44s on the SIR are sometimes referred as the "R44M' and the "SIRT ME-2". The R44s on the SIR still manage to survive because the graffiti on them wasn't as bad.
The lights are also placed horizontally.
-R68/As are shorter than the R46s and R44s, being 60 feet. They use the conventional roll-signs rather than LCDs. They also run on the B Division. The lights are placed vertically.
-R62/As are even shorter than the R68s, being 51 feet. They are also slimmer than the R68/As and R46s as they run on the A Division (formerly the IRT Lines). The lights are also placed vertically.
-The A Division was formerly the IRT Lines until the merger with the BMT and IND lines, the lines are categorized as numbers. The 1/2/3 as 7th Ave (also included the 9 until 2005), 4/5/6 as Lex Ave, and the 7 as Flushing, they also operate one of the 3 shuttles, being the Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle, categorized as the S (internally as the 0).
-The B Division was formerly a merge of the BMT and IND lines until they were merged with the IRT, these lines are categorized as letters. The A/C/E as 8th Ave (formerly included the K until 1985), B/D/F/M as 6th Ave (also included the V until it was merged with the M in 2010), G as Crosstown, L as 14 St/Canarsie, J/Z as Nassau St (also included the M until it was merged with the V in 2010), and the N/Q/R/W as Broadway (included the W before 2010, however the W was brought back in 2016), they also operate the other 2 shuttles, being the Franklin Ave and Rockaway (shown in this video) Shuttles, the Rockaway Shuttle is internally categorized as the H. There is a future line to be opened on the B Division, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th phases of the 2nd Ave line. Currently the Q operates the 1st phase, however once 2nd phase is completed, a new route "bullet" will be formed, which will be using the letter T.
-Route Bullets are the signs that designate the various lines the MTA runs on the NYC Subway and the Staten Island Railway. The lines that have both Local and Express service have 2 route bullets. A circle as the local, and a diamond as the express. Some express trains only run in one direction during peak hours.
-Local trains are trains that stop on all stations on the line they serve.
-Express trains are trains that stop on busy stations on the line they serve.
-Peak direction express trains are trains that run express, but only run on one direction.
-Peak direction is the direction on a line that traffic is more severe, mostly during rush hour.
And that is my lesson on the NYC subway, if you read all of it you are truly a person who likes to learn new things.
R68/As are also 75ft, blud
I grew up near the West Farms Station (2,5) and noticed the tracks just ended at 177th. At that point I would take a shortcut down the hill to West Farms. Over the years more and more Elevated track was removed. Across the street is the bus depot. Recently I found an old map from late 1930s that showed a line I had never seen before. It was the T line which does not exist anymore. It ran from 180th to 177th st across the street to join up with tracks near my building! There is a marker on google maps called NYW&B Catenary #1. One of these days I'm going to try and see it. The mystery of where the tracks went is solved after 50 years!
I spent part of my childhood on the Rockaway Peninsula.. I still remember the grand opening of the line as part of the subway. It made my parents life much easier as prior to this it took several buses to reach Brooklyn and a subway line that would take you to Manhattan. As you know or should Geoff NYC Subway has one fare there are no zones, but from its opening till September 1, 1975, there was a double fare to travel to Rockaway. By the way the B in front of the 105 stands for Beach or if going north Bay as Jamaica Bay is on the north side of the Penninsula and what you crossing when you discussed the bridge burning. The A train is the longest line on the Subway going from the two end points along beach communities and stretching to the Bronx.
It was also the first subway I was allowed to ride on my own.
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Another Lifelong New Yorker here whose been watching your vids for years. Great to see you on the NYC Subway! Also follow Miles channel too, it was a great surprise to see this crossover!
FYI, there's been experiments on NYC buses with fabric seating over the years, it never works out well. The seats usually become a disgusting mess in no time, unfortunately.
An "All the Stations" for the MTA Network (NYC Subway, LIRR, Metro North & Staten Island Rail) would be pretty epic *wink, wink*
Great video as always Geoff! Excited to see the bonus video, and whatever else you guys have coming!
I remember the old BMT trains with wicker seats. I bet maintaining them was a pain. The conductor had to stand on footstands between cars before opening and closing doors. There was a giant button mounted outside on each side of the train for the doors.
Geoff, I will likely repeat what others have said, but I am also a native New Yorker and an avid NYC transit enthusiast. But I have been following you for years because I am also an avid British rail enthusiast. I’m glad your guest corrected himself about riding on R-46’s; by the way, the train you took out to Rockaway was an R-179. Hope you had a chance to visit the Transit Museum! Cheers!
Denim is not humidity friendly, must have been miserable. Thanks for introducing us to Miles. Will check his adventures out.
Here in Florida a loose-weave cotton or linen is perhaps best. If you can get real Madras cloth, made of very fine thread but strong, that’s probably better.
This video kinda feels so laid back from many of the other videos I've seen on this channel. Laughed a lot on this one! I've actually seen Miles in Transit before because of the video where he raced through every BART line, so it's cool seeing him here.
I just saw you on that Jet Lag video. It's really cool how many viewing-things transit fans have in common!
@@shreychaudhary4477 I know, right?
So glad you’re doing videos in New York! You were a huge inspiration for me to start my own channel on the NYC Subway.
The pointing is smth that occurs with abundance on Japanese rail. It's a form of mindfulness and helps ensure that the checks that are required are actually made.
This video made me very happy! I love it when you guys from different channels team up.
I love Miles in Transit!!! I'm obsessed with this crossever!!! :o
Great content as always the Chap you were speaking with at the museum last week!
I watch both channels regularly. Wow, I never thought I'd see the both of you in one video. Great stuff guys, keep it up.🎉
Pointing is a big thing in Japan's transit system- there are a few YT vids on it.
FunFacts about B 105 St:
-Mile is dead wrong. It's an R46...
-Seaside was the name of station when it was part of Long Island Rail Road.
-Most of the station is still original. Only the windscreens are new.
-The platforms are longer than a typical 600 foot train because of its LIRR Hertiage.
-The Shuttle Train is technically the H Train. The name was only used publically prior to 1994, and briefly after Hurricane Sandy.
-The Shuttle Train being the least used line...is getting open-gangway cars.
My two favorite transit people together at last. It boggles the mind! Does Geoff know about your bus-riding days, Miles? That's when I first heard of you.
The crossover we all needed. Jeff and Mile. When the best of British train CZcams meets the best American train CZcams ❤
A man meets his childhood hero.
Lovely bit of stained glass behind the station sign at 6:18 wasn’t even mentioned 😢
Wasn't expecting a least use NYC Subway video
Geoff, great to see you do a collab with Miles In Transit! I wish I'd known both of you were going to be in NY when you made this video. Queens is my former neck of the woods, having lived there for almost half of my life. I'd love to see you do more collabs with Miles In Transit. You should definitely check out other metro systems here in the US, such as Philadelphia, Chicago, and Washington, DC. Maybe next time you come back to the US.
Miles, it was great to finally see you in a Geoff Marshall video!
What an awesome combo of transit CZcams legends in one epic video!
This is epic! We’ve ridden the NYC subways are they are great for people watching and getting places efficiently.
My son has been watching your videos since 2013, in the Londonist days. We are headed to your neck of the woods the first week of August. He would love to meet you. He just graduated from HS and for his gift he wanted to ride trains in and around London. Of course we are visiting the National Railway museum in York.
Hi, at 6:08 when the conductor point to the window, it's most likely because the MTA has implemented the Japanese Shisa Kanko, Pointing and calling to avoid making a mistake.
5:50 "It would be rude not to get a puddle shot" is the most British thing ever said at this station.
Now this was a crossover we’ve needed.
So proud to see Miles in one of your videos :) Looking forward to the next few ones on NYC!
I just squealed, I've been waiting for this collaboration!!!
That pointing thing is likely a policy that stems from Japanese Railways. Pointing is very common as matter of practice in Japan.
YESSSS, YESSSS! I've been waiting for this all my life. Thank you so much for this video!!!
The second train is an R-46. Those are the oldest car in MTA now, nearing 50 years of age.
American (and New Yorker) here. Thank you so much for coming here and exploring our subway. A lot of people underestimate the US’ transit, but even if it is not as extensive or reliable as the EU, China, etc., it has a lot of fascinating history. Definitely check out Philly, Boston and Chicago’s transit networks while you’re here.
In New York our trains run 24/7. We have 665 miles of track, 472 stations, 27 subway lines,
I don't think anyplace in the world can beat it.
@@firesurfer Maybe China can, but it will never be as iconic as the NYC subway!
Hi, I am from Frankfurt/Germany. Unfortunately, I've not been physically in New York City so far (just got a virtual glimpse on the city thanks to Google Street View and Subway front view footage on CZcams...), but I have some few real experience with riding US mass transit in Chicago ('L' train and buses) and San Francisco (BART and trams). Indeed, they were way better than their image. And I still remember my cheapest airport to city transfer ever (in 2005 though): It was $1.75 in Chicago (blue line).
imagine if you decided to do abandoned stations of new york you'd be their for a while since they have so many
Problem is 90% of our abandoned stations were on El lines that have since been demolished with absolutely nothing left.
The only truly closed stations left are:
City Hall Loop (6)
Worth Street (6)
18th street (6)
91st (1)
Myrtle Avenue (BDNQ)
There are a few technicalities:
South Ferry loops (1) (replaced by a new station on a lower level)
Court Street (HH Shuttle, open to the public as the main home of the New York Transit Museum)
But yeah, as for closed stations with things that can be seen, they’re few and far between.
He’s going to see more closed levels of stations and more stubs left over from lines being demolished than actual abandoned stations.
@@metropodh, that works too.
Also in theory he can make multiple videos focusing on each closed elevated lines.
there's also remnants of Jerome/Anderson Avenue on the 9tb Avenue EL/ Polo Grounds shuttle. Sedgwick Avenue was also accessible until recently.
Love that bristliest viaduct which carries the subway above the road. I thought a USA least used station video might be on the way as a friend of a friend spotted you in the New York Transport Museum.
The sticker that Miles pointed to in the subway car is a barcode used by employees to keep track of repairs and upgrades and stuff like that so yes it is indeed an R46 😂
Love seeing you guys in New York! It's been a rough week for people that don't enjoy humidity!
Fun fact: despite my name, I've never ridden the Rockaway Park shuttle.
As a New Yorker, this man risked his life, health and ears to make this video.
Geoff, you should have taken the regulare Rockaway train, for a few stops it runs parallel to the beach just maybe 50-100m away.
So you get to sit in an NYC suway car and see the beach!
The other I like with the Rockaway line is that the bridge is so long that you feel like you're riding on the ocean.
Rockaway is so beautiful. I actually ended going there myself about a month later; hadn't even watched this video.
It's great to see some of your informative in New York as well as London.
This video brings me so much joy. Got to rewatch to compare Geoff vs Miles's camera work.
You and Miles together were fantastic
i only just saw this, very kind - thank you!
Excellent, I knew this was coming out but not so soon. Great you could meet up with him. You both do quality vids.
Omg can’t believe this crossover is actually happening!
Thank you also for this video - showing me areas of New York I'd never given much thought to before.
how cool and up beat is Miles... great video
Great Video! Always good quality!
Very entertaining and really enjoy this video from across the pond.
What a nice and unexpected surprise! So glad to see this collaboration!
Great Collab! The least used station videos - both on this channel and on Miles’s - are one of my favorite types of a videos on youtube. Also an asterisk, Geoff’s shirt also is missing beautiful Delaware! 😱Also also, as a bostonian, I can say new england summer heat and humidity is awful, especially this summer
WOW! This was unexpected. I hope we get more content from this trip. That concrete elevated track looked awesome, great location for a photoshoot or film.
Fun fact: You can see that elevated track in a clip of the 2010 film the Bounty Hunter. czcams.com/video/-TOKVSAsZu8/video.html
Great video Geoff and Miles .. I know it was filmed elsewhere in the system .. but your video brought back memories of the film “The Warriors” all you need was a couple of glass bottles to clink together “ Warriors come out to plaaaay ! “ lol 😂
Facinating how your accent (slightly) changes
Hey Miles In Transit I can't believe you got to meet Geoff Marshall I watch his videos they are very interesting like yours.
Good to see you uploading a video of an American metro station while I’m there on holiday right now 👍
What an amazing collaboration :)
Thanks!
Worlds colliding! Two YT favourites! Freaking out.
Zomg! Geoff doing an NYC subway video-with Miles in Transit!?
Damn, this is seriously a collab i didn’t know I needed
Geoff, we would've loved to have you participate in one of Miles's races! Next time!
YES!!
Yes!
Possibly the only time Marsh Barton has been mentioned in New York City. Thanks Geoff
There's some serious "You Had One Job" action going on with that US map shirt...
The crossover I never thought I'd see! Thanks, guys!
Nice to see you covering our subway system!
This is so surreal! I grew up in Rockaway so seeing you at one of my stations is crazy!
The gesture is a way to confirm tht the station platform is lined up alongside the full length of the train before the conductor opens the doors.
This is the crossover content I’ve always wanted!!!
Ive been wait for this series
As a train driver who opens the doors at stations I can tell you it’s considered good practice to point at the side of the train the platform is on for a second before releasing the doors to try to prevent wrong side opening. It’s just about knowing where the platform is and, in this case, knowing you’re in the right spot.
Finally! In New York!
This is utter mind-blowing
this is exciting, good video geoff!