M1060C OPEN REVIEW | vs. LCD2C, M1060, SUNDARA & VERUM 1
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I just wanted to take a moment to say that I absolutely love your videos, I cannot overstate how much I appreciate the fact that you donât pull punches in your reviews, and how you are very thorough in describing every aspect of what you are reviewing. Thanks for the great content, keep up the great work! đ§
Thank you very much! I appreciate that, and I will keep it up!
Side Note - If you order the grilles, you have to order "2" - They are not sold as a pair. :)
I wish I saw this comment before I ordered my 'pair' a month back... I have now ordered another to complete the pair, ha
Who does that? That's one demented individual. Love his work though.
in the improbable event that you might reply to this, what's out there these days that slams like these, but have more soundstage without losing the warm intimacy of vocals? An Arya? an He-6? the 1990s?
ty :))
When I wanna laugh I go to Zeos, when I want a good solid review I come here. Keep it up!
Just curious why does everyone dislike zeos so much. I'm new to the audiophile community so i still don't know everything.
@@truebricks9299 he's a showman before a reviewer. Don't get him wrong though he does provide solid critique at times, but his fecitious way of handling most headphones blurs the line of what is good or not. He's great nonetheless.
@@whatif1627 ok thanks
For me, I go to Zeos for any product that I havenât hear before since he reviews a lot more products than most. But when Iâm interested in a particular product he recommended, Iâll go to Josh for in-depth review if he has one.
@@truebricks9299 Just watch a few of his reviews lol, he acts like every pair of headphones he reviews is amazing. I think he tends to kinda isolate the headphones in his reviews, rather than thinking about how they compare to others. Its almost like in his reviews that headphone hes currently reviewing is the only headphone that exists
One of my favorite reviews you've done yet. Thank you for all the comparisons! Keep up the great work
I guess it doesn't matter to most, but it should be mentioned here that the M1060's are a Chinese copy of the USA made LCD-2 (Made in California) The difference in manufacturing quality and R&D is why the Audeze cost so much more. I'm not sure why this is never discussed?
We have talked about that on a podcast with DMS and Z review. Not relevant to this video though, so it wasnât brought up.
Actually, from my personal teardowns, the driver appears to be a clone of the Audeze LCD-3F, likely a 1:1 replica, which is confirmed upon comparison to the sound signature of the real LCD-3F (for a modded 1060). I own the LCD-3F and can confirm that a modded 1060 sounds eerily similar to the real deal. I also own the LCD-2, albeit pre-Fazor, and it's much smoother/laidback sounding, lacking the aggressive edge/PRAT/energy of the 1060 and LCD-3F.
I don't usually subscribe, but when I do, it's to something special.
hello yoshua, my name is matsuo, I am from Peru (in South America) and I am writing to you
because I saw the following video on your channel M1060C OPEN REVIEW | vs. LCD2C, M1060, SUNDARA & VERUM 1
I'm trying to get started in the world of audiophilia.
I ask for your advice to be able to choose the best possible headset to start with,
since at this moment the music I listen to is very varied as
reggae, electronica (techno, minimal), disco, salsa, jazz, lofi
and my needs are the following: I want clarity, definition, a broad setting
different levels of depth in the audio, because I want to discover sounds and enjoy them
at all high, mid and low frequencies.
and precisely because of the budget that I have I was thinking about the hearing aid models that you present in your review
as well as the following: audio technica mrs 7b, akg k712 pro, meze 99 classics.
but I am open to listen to other proposals in audio.
I appreciate your opinion, since there are not many reviews in Spanish
p.d: I advise you to upload your videos to have the option to have subtitles in Spanish
so that many more people can enjoy your content
I apologize because I do not know English and I translate them from the google translator.
Thanks for reading
I'm quickly digging a big hole for myself. I'm gonna get these.
Oh man me right now.
First off great job JV. I love that you deliver with some of the most requested comparisons. That said I'm gonna disagree a bit here. I don't feel the mids are up to snuff here. Granted I was comparing this with He500, HD580, DT1990 and the Argons so perhaps I am being unfair. They didn't come across as natural for me and had quite a bit of shout. The bass however on the 1060c open is glorious. I'd go as far to say in that aspect alone they are one of the best under $500. Christ though that headband is bad. The knit headband wrap didn't do jack for me. I do however really appreciate the comparisons as I have not heard any of the headphones you compared them too but judging on what I heard on the m1060c open none of the other headphones are going to be for me or best the HE500. Was very intrigued with the lcd2c and the verums but I think you just saved me some time and cash. Thanks again for being awesome.
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on these and modded them after a few hours. I mostly listen to older hip hop and electronic music. These are really good for both.
PRO tip. Open the backs up and take the protective paper off the back of the driver then cover it up with the rear thick foam and leave the carbon fiber backs or the honey comb backs on. It is EVEN better. and has more air...My absolute favorite lately.
DUDE! That's an FPV drone company. Holy crap two of my hobbies have spontaneously come together lol.
Lol! đ Nice!
looking through 1060c review because I can't find any gold planar gl1000c review and I can see all the similarities from double sided tape earpads to the foam at the back, same 18ohm driver.
also the details but no sparkle highs.
replacing the internal cable to some silver plated one helps open up the highs, soundstage and airy-ness
haven try open mod yet, enjoying it closed at the moment after the wire mod.
Interesting. I have HE-4XX and Verum 1. The Verum 1 extends so much lower than 4XX (I love how it growls), but the 4XX has more impact, or leading edge, or something. A headphone with best of both sounds good.
WTF, now even the 4XX has more slam than the V1?? That was supposed to be one of its main selling points other than the neutral-ish HD600-like response: dynamic performance vs. usual planars.
@@d0nj03 V1 extends much lower and has plenty of slam, the 4XX almost has too much impact. The main selling point of the V1 is the Audeze-like signature for cheapo price, which it delivers. It's noticeably less 'V' shaped than the 4XX, with a smaller stage but better separation and imaging. The 2 headphones scratch different itches but the V1 is defo more capable.
I totally agree with you Josh. I am comparing the M1060 with the 1060C (Diana Krall - All for you via Tidal master). Diana's voice with the 1060C is smaller and less screamed than the M1060 which on the other hand has a larger and more liquid (more real) image but the high resonances with the M1060C are more controlled. The rendering of the M1060C is more relaxed and more intimate, the bass is always there, firmer (precise) and more controlled. The 1060C was tested open as suggested. It is not a big difference, in the sense between night and day, perhaps the M1060M with the metal arches is more robust. The headset is probably still to be run in, after running in the suspensions will soften. People should be less snobbish toward monoprice products.
Great review, good.
Thanks for the video! I opened mine up after seeing this. Loved the sub-bass when it was close, and it maintained most, if not all, of it after it opened up! Love this for any EDM, Rock, or electronic music. That fast bass impact is addictive.
Wow. I bought the Sundaras and watched this a couple times before buying them. I actually heard your leg start shaking at 5:28 now that I have them lol. I rewound it and pretty sure that's the case. The detail!
I can hear that with my phone ... (not meant to offend you)
Josh, first of all, congratulations on you work. I have a 4xx and a 6xx, for mids and highs i simply like the 6xx better in all senses. The reason for having the 4xx is for bass when EQ: Rap, pop, edm, etc. The 4xx non EQed doesn't have the bass quantity that i need at all. Would you think it makes sense for exchanging the HF for the m1060c modded? Soundwise.
I have the same situation i am thinking in
K712
Argons
M1060c
To complete my collection
Big Up! Wanted to thank you for this and all your other reviews. I bought both the m1060c and the Sundara and I have to say, based on my own personal experience with both, this review is absolutely spot on. Enjoy both for different genres/particular songs that compliment each of their sound signatures. As others have said, thank you for the great content and keep up the great work.
I replace the existing internal cable to silver plated one, it opens up details, soundstage and airy-ness
not sure I'll like sundara after he mention its thin sounding when compare
Wow thanks i was actually waiting for an 'open' review of these.
So, when is the actual Verum 1 review?
aethertech itâs been posted
I have sincere doubts that the mids on the C's could be anymore pronounced than the 1060's, which have tonal body for days... more mid-centric and I think we'd have something not so nice sounding.... I've actually heard the opposite was true... mids are more recessed on the C's, which is what I'm hoping for!
You said a while back that you were going to rereview the m1060, is that still happening?
I think so, yes.
@@JoshuaValour Great review Josh, I was really expecting this comparisons, you nailed it. I have a heavily modded M1060 (grills, vegan pads, fazors, etc) and IÂŽm waiting to see your review on the Verum One in order to have an idea wether it would be an upgrade or a sidegrade. Thx :)
@@JoshuaValour at $250 man please!
This is a very convincing review, certainly makes the case that these are worthy of consideration even well beyond the original M1060s (which are my current planar of choice. I have the Rev2 modded with 3D printed fazors and rear grille, etc.) and it's served me well. However, I recently picked up a pair of Elears that I'm really enjoying, and I find I'm not loving the graininess that the M1060 has compared to them. So while I enjoy the idea of the M1060C open being that Planar bass slam and cleanness up top that I'm interested in, the real comparison that I'd want to see would be between these, the modded M1060C coming in between $250-$400, and the Mk3 Argon, coming in between $250-$350. The argon is frequently touted as punching well above it's price point, but I want to know how far. I realize there's some inconsistencies between the Argon being mostly closed and the open M1060C being open, but the usual open headphone property of wide soundstage doesn't seem to factor in for that headphone.
So, purely sound quality vs. sound quality, Mk3 Argon vs. M1060C open. Thoughts?
Hard, but I must gove the victory to the 1060c. The argons do have very impressive bass and better soundstage than the 1060c does. Even open.
But the Argons bass is bloated compared to the 1060C and while it has a large amount, it doesnât have the raw slam of the C. C also has more even performance throughout the rest of the frequencies.
I would however suggest the argon for other things, like sound-staging or âclosedâ back listening. I like the argon more than the closed version of the C.
Argon also has more active treble. More uneven, but a little more present and fun than the C.
The Elear most likely kicks both of their asses in treble and timbre (if itâs consistent with the other focals Iâve tried).
â@@JoshuaValour Thank you for the thoughtful and complete reply!
The Elear was my first step up past the $250-ish mark, and it certainly changed the game. The dynamics are really something else!
@@JoshuaValour many thanks for the detailed answer but do you prefer the Fostex TR-X00 Mahagoony over both the argons and M1060C opened ?
Would you say it's close to the Argon's but with a much smaller sound stage?
I don't think So
Hmm, how about those Neumanns having so much hype from Z?
@Solar Eclipse i think it's overpriced
But as far as understand recessed mids probably come from increased soundstage (as vocals are further away from you now) as I cover them with hand and vocals instantly come forward
Note to people buying the M1060C mod to order two. These are sold per piece. (note the company mainly CNC cuts drone parts so they sell parts per piece.)
Be sure to check out other grille designs in my webstore. It's also available in m1060 flavor :)
armattanproductions.com/pages/shop_product_grid/1971
didnt you say the soundstand of the 2c was huge in it's review? i find the soundstage to be pretty large. just as large as other headphones you listed.
Did you tried the K712 and argons ?
Do you find it wider than the 2c ?
I got the M1060C on sale for $220 now, and its incredible. The sound is so good, i love it. But do I get two of these plates (~$35) and Dakoni nuggets ($25). Or return it and get the M570 for $299?
Planning on getting a pair of m1060c's and swapping pads and using a balanced cable
Same idea but afraid of qc and comfort issues
If those are your M1060's, I'd love it if you could mod them and re-review them.
Mine have honeycomb grills with the padding replaced with coffee filter ($10), Dekoni Audeze Velour pads ($40), and "fuzzors" ($5). Couldn't stand the stock sound and now I love em, would love to hear your impressions on them/comparisons to the C based on memory
How does the filter effect the sound?
Great thorough review as always! Question, would you say the M1060 has more noticeable treble than the Sundara?
Can you please make a review on MMX 300s? they re considered great especially for games but for music too,and i would like your opinion on that.Thanks
Thanks Josh! Was looking for a review of the open mod.
Beyerdynamic T1 Please
I have the T1 and m1060c. T1 has incredible detail and imaging compared to m1060c. However the treble is really high, had to change the pads and that improved it a little. The bass is punchy but not as intense as the m1060c.
@@arionSMVoo7 gen 1 or gen 2?
@@omegaelixir Gen 2. Also I'm using a balanced xlr replacement cable. I just got the sendy aivas to compare them to.
arion sevilla I have the T1.2 and use several tube headphone amps that smooth out the highs perfectly.
Try the Darkvoice or if you can pay the extra cost go for the La Figaro 339 as it pairs with so many Headphones and is my go to amp.
arion sevilla please up when you can on the Sendy Aivas
Thank you for the video, my doubts have been dispelled, great video materials keep it up. PS Beautiful headphone stand. May I know what manufacturer is it and where can I buy it online? Regards.
Just ordered some of those sick grills, thanks for the link.
A much needed review for me, my M1060's wood ring just cracked. I really liked them, especially with the mods I had (Audeeze vegan pads, knitted headband, removed foam, and fuzzor) but sad how shoddy the build quality is. Really like planars, would the M1060C be the replacment? Or is there something else out there that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
Couldnt you just bring them back for the warranty?
I understand why you left out any foam on the back, but aesthetically I would love to have something to cover the terminal connections. Since you may have access to more types of foam or material than I do without buying a bunch to try would you be willing to recommend something in black or dark grey that would both cover the connections, but be least likely (most open) to affect the sound signature? Any help you are willing to offer would be greatly appreciated.
TBH M1060c has pretty neutral bass. I have GR07 iems and they pump more bass thanks to that fast biodynamic driver. Actually that gr07 bass is really realistic and fast, one of the best I have ever heard. M1060 would be perfect if It had that good quality of bass with a bit more clear mids. Opening them mmm makes mids a bit recessed and having them closed mids are really good, I kinda prefer mids a bit forward as they make heaphone more engaging. So I might switch to closed again as I didn't have problems with mids being too boring. Also having no foam I think increased basss amount which is very welcome.
Did you tried the K712 and argons ??
If you tried it which one do you prefer ?
Nice review! I'm really interested in buying them, so can you tell me if you'd consider them as V or U sounding?
I bought the M1060 v.2 after watching the review for it and reading a bunch. What is the real world difference between the 1060C opened vs. the original 1060? Is it worth it to by the M1060C or should I stick with what I have?
Can I drive m1060 or m1060c out of my phone??
Towsif Shahriar Shovo
Yeah technically, but they wonât sound great. Low quality DAC and Amp will always limit potential, even with sensitive cans.
Be aware that the shipping speed seems to be extremely slow on the grilles. I ordered a pair over a month ago. They show that they are still in China.
It would be awesome if you can compare the M1060C opens to the new kids on the block:
Sendy Aiva & Thieaudio Phantom
Thanks!
That's about $1000 bucks man, patrons need to make this happen!!!
Hi , what is for You the better amplifier for the M1060C in the open version ...................................
Your description of the "M1060C Open's" sound seems as if the presentation is a bit relentless, so that there isn't open breathing space or ease if music is performed that way. Is that fair? Would you say that is also true of the M1060.
The mod that you have does make it opened but its probably not the best mod since the drivers are not dampened right with that little piece of material covering the driver. This is why it doesn't sound as wide and why it may not sound as good. With the right mod, these headphones are amazing.
how does this compare to x2? especially in bass?
This might be a silly question but can't you just make any headphone better for you with EQ..? What happens if you give the HD800's a bass boost and 6k dip? đ
I dont know if you have the kind of time to check old video comments. But what do you mean by the "open back variant" like is there two M1060C's? Or are you saying you took the closed back off?
Thanks man!
A very popular mod is to remove the closed wooden cups and use the 1060C as an open backed phone. There are several 3D printed designs for it. I have an original M1060 v.2 that comes open and am trying to determine if it's worth buying the 1060C.
@@billqs9974 thank you sir! I ultimately went with Sundara and I'm really happy! Good luck in your decision!
Hi, I bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250Ohm Open Back headphones and will be returning them due to the fact that they completely lack any bass... The sound, while very clear and detailed is completely weightless. I don't understand how people can think this is a good sound?? Like maybe if you listen to classical music exclusively they are good but I mean, come on you want something with a bit of weight to it. So anyway, I'm returning them and was seriously looking at the open back version of these Monolith's. Can I ask would I end up with the same weightless thin sound of the DT 990 Pro's if I went with the Open Back version of the Monolith 1060's? Or will they have considerably more bass? Or am I better off going for the closed back versions you talk about here? Keep in mind, I wouldn't even consider myself a bass head but I do like my sound to have a bit of weight to it. Thanks so much for reading! Love the videos! :D
These or Aeon X , soundwise only , please ?! ..
Hi Joshua, great review as always! Could you point me to an headphone that has good sound along with the widest Soundstage and good imaging. My budget is
i won't recommend anything but the m1060c kinda have small soundstage open and closed and the build quality is bullshit so stay away from them
I REALLY wanted/want the m1060 and Sundara. Mostly the sundara. But I just dont want to spend 300+ dollars for a headphone that will fail/break on me :(. Heard too many issues with quality control for both.
Hey Kris, I am actually selling my modded m1060c. I have opened up, swapped ear pads and swapped the headband, which is the weak point on them. Let me know if you are interested. imgur.com/gallery/PXWmKTg
They really break much less often as it can appear to you from forums and user reviews. It' just people are much more eager to share info about their broken stuff, than about perfectly working ones.
Also, I'm pretty sure Sundara's price drop is bond to manufacturing process change. The new "cheap" Sundaras don't rattle AT ALL (unlike the ones in Joshua's review), looking rock-solid and having much softer pads. I once wandered into a local big heaphone shop and they had Sundaras on display, played with them a little and they really rattled horribly and pads were sturdier and of cheaper leather(maybe store changed them to usual hifiman's focus pads on the pair I tested there with).
Listening to "cheap" sundaras 3 months already, even dropped couple of times by trapping cable in armrest and turning the chair(the worst way to drop headphones) - still working perfectly.
@@blaziken7673 that's also what I've been hearing, about most reviews/complaints online. That more people are likely to give a review about the worst of a product more than give the positives. If that sounds right lol. But I've been leaning more and more into actually getting one, maybe I will now.
@@sherm137 thanks for the offer, but have to deny. Dont have enought money at the moment and if, and once I do I think I've decided on the sundara for my next pair of headphones thanks to the other comment/reply
I have magni, modi 2 dac and sundara. It's OK as combination. I bought a diy waveio usb xmos interface this brought out wider soudstage but a softer sound compared to original modi2 usb interface. Modi2 i think a bit more weight to the sound but very narrow soudstage which i hate. Any suggestion to an upgrade dac or an amp??? Thanks
Thanks for the review. I like the acoustic foam background, looks good. Here in Detroit we have a company called "Foam n More" my theater is filled with stuff from there. So have you looked at the Massdrop Mrspeaker Ether CX closed? I'm about to drop on them.
Say goodbye to your bass!
So, anyone who has the M1060C and did the open mod, does it have that ringing that was so annoying on the regular M1060? I had it and did the Fuzzor Mod with the Audeze Vegan Pads, and I did it correctly, and the ringing almost got away, but a little bit of it was still there and I could not stand it, so I sold it and took a HD 650, but I miss THAT BASS, y'all know? So that's it, if anyone could tell me about the ringing, if it's corrected or not, I'd be very thankful đ
M1060C has no ringing at all with or without the open mod. =)
Hi Josh you rock ,when it comes to Direct headphone comparisons..
I really like your style down to earth to the point but still detailed and valuable.
Zeos is great for fun and reference and amps/Dacs, Crinacle for objectivity and graphs but none of them do it as similiar to my preference and style as you (I help people with audio products in my country just in written form.
Anyways when I get money (just came from vacation so not right now) I am looking to buy Open Back Planar cuz I don't have one in my collection. I have Dt 880 Editions 32,
Fostex tr-80, Audio Technica Msr7B, Isk Hf2010,Audio Technica M30x ,
Sony Wh 1000 Xm3 and from Iems I have Kz zex,Moondrop Chu , Ibasso It00, Cca Csn, And Sony Ex110apb.
So quite a bit of flavours but generally I like Resolving headphones,energetic but we'll behaved ones .
I don't like too dark headphones, I don't like too smoothened out headphones. I like my treble to bring me air, to shimmer but don't hurt (for example dt880 is perfect ,msr7b and fostex tr 80 too) I hated Dt990. I hated M50X loved m30x, I disliked Sennheiser Hd 650.
I love upper midrange to be on the edge of shouty and just playful female vocals and stuff. I love when guitars have edge to them.
I like fast defined bass but I also Like Sony Xm3 which can really dig down to lowest notes In impactfull way.
My source is Zen Dac V2 and I when I get funds I will get some portable dac/amp like Ikko zerda itm01 and some Heavy dac amp like Xduuo TA 01b. On Phones
I use Xiaomi mi 9 Lite and Realme Gt 5g with my own wavelet Eq target.
Based on this long ass post, Can you answer me what Planar Headphones would I like That would be a bit different approach in fonaliy and presentation compared to Beyerdynamic Dt880/Ath Msr7B which I love, but still to be at least comparable in therms of Technical performance...
And still to be available in Europe via ship from China and to not be much expensive lets say below 300 dollars range ? Would I like Monolith m1060
Thank you very much I know it is old video, but I appreciate it's content good things don't get outdated.
Cheers and if someone else has advice I would gladly accept it.
Those sundara are the revision or the older model?
How big is the headband? HE4XX is just big enough for me and I'm bit concerned if these would be too small?
These may be my first closed-back wired headphone and I'm not sure what dac to buy under $100 to use with these? I'm not an official "audiophile" praise God for that since that term is creepy for most people, but i do enjoy music. I do prefer a specific genre (Christian Hip Hop/Rap) but do occasionally listen to some contemporary christian music and christian jazz. These M1060C seem to carry the most bang for the buck in a somewhat entry level closed-back. I'm trying to keep my budget under $350-$400 with dac. Any suggestion/advise would be appreciated. Thank you.
How does it compare to the LDC x?
I just order the 1060c for $270 and the LCD x for $950.im only keepng one. Probably the LCD x, is that much better? Or I'm I just drinking the Cooley? Thanks
Joshua, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong ... I tried this, tried it again no foam, don't like the sound at all vs closed. bass gets muddy and bleeds into the mids ... am i crazy or just doing it wrong?
welcome back Joshua, we were getting worried.
Josh have you had a chance to listen to the abyss ab1266 phi tc. They might be the best headphone available right now. Great bass and incredible soundstage and resolution as well.
If you get a chance you should check out the monoprice Cavalli liquid platinum. It punches above its price range.
0:50 someone doing frequency testing in the background? xD
I bought them for 200 USD used and sewed own headband from natural leather. It is way more comfortable. They are a bit more loosy but in fact for long sessions M1060C is better than my LCD-X.
Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered both lcd x and m1060c at the same time as I was desperate for the endgame⊠Did you make the m1060c open or keep them closed? Also how did you attach the headband? Did you attach it a bit lower down closer to the ear cups like on the lcd?
I am personally very treble sensitive at the moment since Iâm recovering from an ongoing ear infection so very interested to know if you kept the m1060 closed or not and if it got more or less fatiguing!?
May you also compare it with the Argon mk3?
He said the argons is better once i have asked him when he was live .
But i see alot of people selling their argons because of high distortion levels
I know Iâm late, but when you use the open mod, howâs the isolation? I wanna try it but I need to have at least some isolation equivalent to a semi open back...
Extremely open
Imo Planars are just meant to be fully open.
Coul you compare the Sundara with the Deva?
always figured the'd have same drivers worth getting both?
I ordered that open back mod thing and after waiting 3 weeks they lost my package and wonât insure it so they basically stole my money... very nice.
Couldn't you just Dremel slats in the existing covers on the m1060c?
@
Joshua Valour I wonder if you listened to 1060c in balanced mode or your review concerns single ended output only? It seems to me that my 1060c in balanced mode sound a little bit clearer and produce noticeably wider soundstage. Also the vocals I project in front but the L and R sounds are clearly behind my ears which presentation I enjoy very much.
I like the look of it, personally.
Same, got similar kind of style to the RR1 e-stats
Schiit, I bought the M1060 before seeing this. But here in Italy it's not easy to find these mods and I don't like to wait 3-4+ weeks to receive something that maybe unfortunately needs to be replaced. But now I'm really curious on the 1060c moded. There's a guy in UK (losodo.design) that make nice grills for the 1060c but that means +75 euros over 275 of the headphones (I should also require a refund on the 1060 that's coming next week). That price point would make any sense? We're talking about 30%+ better overral performance in the 1060c vs 1060 or 5-15%?
The cool thing about the 1060C mod is it doesn't require anything more, rather less! Just take the damn cups off lol. The custom grills are functional for protecting the drivers, but the sound profile is achieved by the cups/lack thereof.
Have you reviewed the monolith thx AAA portable? If not I can send you mine.
Looking to buy under $400
Game a lot and want a precise, wide soundstage but also want to enjoy music and not completely lack bass performance
Can't choose between m1060c or the sundaras
If they really sound like an LCD2C then their are absolutely different in terms of sound to Sundara. I'd recommend to listen to both and then decide.
Can I use m1060c with my S9 pro DAC amp and my zfold3
Here i was hopping to see the modded 1060c's compared to modded 1060's, as nobody really listens to the 1060's stock - nor should they - as they really are demonstrably flawed out-of-the-box. Mine followed the popular mods with basic foam removal, fuzor vents and more more open grilles. In all honesty, they sound eerily similar to my LCD-3F's (more aggressive/detailed/higher PRAT), rather than my LCD-2's (laid-back/smooth), which is the 1060's typical standard for comparison, although mine are pre-Fazor.
The fact that I can even position these next to the LCD-3F leaves me utterly perplexed how they didn't get more traction in the audiophile community. I'm almost positive, having taken both headphones apart, that the driver's in the 1060's are 1:1 LCD-3 clones. Sure - everything else about the headphones fall short but the main ingredient is there and with some basic DIY you can get pretty darn close to the real thing, a little less refined, at a 10x discount. There just isn't a better value proposition out there- not even in the same ballpark.
However, there might be! I just pulled the trigger on a decent pair of used 1060c's which, ironically, have already been opened up with the same carbon fiber grille mod featured in this video. Have to say - whoever designed those grilles knows what they're doing. Looks better than stock.
However, I'm still skeptical the open-back 1060c's can outperform my modded 1060's. If so, I will probably end up buying every 1060c that comes up for sale. Harvesting the drivers alone is worth it to me and should make for some very interesting fully ground-up builds down the line...
Quick question - I heard that the 1060's have wider soundstage than the open-back 1060c's, did you find this to be true of the stock 1060's?... Assuming this even gets read 4 years later lol?
Interesting cause I have few headphones and 2C got very decent sound stage (maybe not like k712 anyway I prefer Grado open sound) and vocals are not that close (further than HD600) bass is fast and accurate not too much (99 Noire have too much). 1060C I guess are o'rite but looks bad and I believe Josh that they are not so comfy
Is the driver of the m1060c different from the regular m1060? Lile to the point where it makes sense to buy the c and mod it instead of getting the regular?
Ignore my question it got answered later in the video. Thx
I could not agree with you more bro. I thought the exact same thing. Would've been a goldmine if they made an interchangeable open and closed back. Tbh I don't understand why every headphone company doesn't do that other than to charge us for 2 headphones if we want both. Even if it is because of reinforcement issues, they could use better materials, charge an extra 25%, and market it as 2 in 1.
I wonder if a business could be made out of creating interchangeable headphone covers advertised for convenience and being cheaper than needing to buy 2 unique headphones.
I'm torn, these or Argons MK3?
If you wanted to bring out the treble a bit couldn't you just do that very successfully with EQ? They're planar magnetics (fast) and he said the treble is accurate. I'm actually asking btw not stating this.
What make is the headphone stand?
I have the âregularâ M1060 (v2) and Iâm pursuing upgrade options; I primarily use these for gaming (FPS) with some music.
Would the M1060C with the open back mod be an âupgradeâ to the M1060? I guess a wide soundstage would mean games are more immersive and thatâs a big plus. However, I like a lot of bass in my games so that renders most options from Sennheiser out of the picture (598, Game Oneâs, PC37X, etc).
What about LCD-2C? Thatâs stretching it for my own purchase but thatâs about top price Iâd like to pay.... I believe your other âend gameâ recommendation for ultra high end gaming headphones is the Sennheiser HD800s. At $1,700 thatâs a tad too much.
Any help would be appreciated!
A bit late but you now have a good option, Audeze LCD-GX
@@BlueBird-wb6kb - haha I've already purchased a pair of LCD-2F as well as a pair of AKG 712Pros... they are both amazing! LCD for music and games.... AKG for games (lighter and a very unique open soundstage)
Hi, I enjoy you reviews.
I have the open back M1060s.
Why do you use the closed version of the Monoprice with the mod rather than just using the Open back?
How about the open back with the mod?
Audio Technica Ath MSR7b/hifiman sundara/sennheiser hd 660
Which of these is the best
sundara
Sheepskin pads with HD800 is so comfy! I know this is planar video but yesterday i got these leathers, im so hyped with this comfort...
Arya in for review? :) I'm waiting for it! Could you maybe get the HE1000 back for comparison? :)
I've been waiting for a review on the Arya as well, I own it and I really wanna hear Joshua's opinion on it, to my ears it sounds even better than the HE1000V2 that is double the cost.
@@versaleyang Really?! I Owned V2 and SE and i preferred the V2, particularly because of less distortion, linear bass and treble energy. Does Arya vs V2 still have lot of treble energy?
Would this work with the Monolith M565C?
Joshua Valour â- Do you have to order quantity 1 or 2 for a pair of grills on armattan productions website?
You have to order 2. Weird system.
@@JoshuaValour Thanks, I had a feeling it was like that. Great find though! I think I'm going to get the Nautilus design for my m1060's
how does this compare to Argons?
The verum ones didnt sound too hot when u talked about then :< are they not better than the 1060cs or 1060s? ;~;... mine come to replace my 1060s in 4 weeks
What did you think? Did you like the Verum?
@@Minon157 still waiting for my verums friend. I ordered them in may and he just finished febs batch if im not mistaken..... but ill try to remind myself to come back here and let you know how they are for both music, casual and competitive gaming :3. Imo of course
@@affinity601 Are you liking your Verum nore than the M1060?
@@matheusmazzei4077 well i have ath 1000x. i dont recommend the verum. this was a year ago. my verums lasted 3 months. they had mad channel imbalance and the earcup went out on me. dude sent me some fixes that didnt work. offered to fix them but i had to pay like 40$ in international shipping which is understandable but its just not worth the hassle, money, ect. the quality control and build quality are just not there and the warranty isnt worth fucking with since its one dude. just get a pair of sundaras or something lol. the m1060s were great but they were just heavy. the verum ones did sound just a bit more clear as far as resolution but again, not worth the hassle or money.
@@affinity601 oh, thats sad, it was the first version of the Verum or the MKII? I was looking into the M1060c open mod too but beside the bass doesnt look the best in category, and the Sundaras are too dry for me. Verum1 looked perfect, good bass and smooth but with details, resolution, and easy to drive but yeahâŠâŠ QC problems are a problem.
I hear M1060 is now in revision 3 using the m1060c drivers.
Wait a minute did they make dust filter black? Mine has white one
Silent revision most likely.
Ordered the mod and will be doing this to mines!
Please let us know what you rhink.
How many grills you ordered? It says quantity 1 for $13.62. Is it one pair or one grill only?
@@bluevoodooiv7072 crap I didn't notice that...Now I gotta go check!
â@@LakerTriangle They just answered my email. The price is for one piece.
@@bluevoodooiv7072 thanks!
Do you plan on reviewing the Hifiman Arya?
Yes