Festool TID 18 Is it any GOOD?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Is the Festool TID 18 impact any good? What is the best impact driver to but? Is it worth spending money on a premium impact?? I have been getting asked a ton after using the TID 18 in the cabin in the woods build series. First and foremost, yes they sent it to me...Did they ask me to make any content...no!! They just wanted my feedback since it was a new updated release of their impact line. They knew I would put it to real construction use on site and I have been. I suppose they are smart and know it will show up in my videos...win win I suppose.
You all know how much I love the Metabo HPT Triple Hammer, and it will take a lot to get me to use something else. Believe it or not, the TID 18 has been my go to for daily use when needing an impact driver.
With how good cordless tools across the board have gotten, it just isn't about speed and power any more as much as it is ergonomics and how it feels after using it an entire day. This is where the Festool TID 18 really excels. I gotta give it to Festool, they did a heck of a job on this impact, but that doesn't mean I will stop using the Metabo HPT....That is also just too good of am impact, especially when it comes to large fasteners and all day framing.
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Honestly, This Impact is Killer and I will continue to use it...not to mention at $349 for the kit with 2 high output batteries...it isn't that bad with a Case!
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No one size fits all. I use my gen 1 Festool track constantly....no replacement for it!! Stunning work. The chop saw ??? Not so much. I had to replace my recently stolen sliding mitre saw. I bought the Bosch glider for 1/3 the price. Couldn’t be happier. Knock off the envy and get to work y’all!!
Since when is kobalt more powerful than Milwaukee every comparison that anyone has done all over CZcams Milwaukee fucked kobalt up I don't know about The other TOOLS so I can't say anything Milwaukee vs kobalt Every test anyone did Milwaukee always came out on top
martynzl No I don't have read tools and don't give two fucks about them all I use is Makita tools like you said Kyle is out there getting his job done he's not out there testing the tools he's not on the job site putting tools against one another. I don't use Milwaukee tools.I'm not gonna not give credit where credit is due Milwaukee has the most powerful impact driver No way in hell kobalt is more powerful than Milwaukee there is a lot of tool channels that have put them up against each other Milwaukee came out on top every time And it's a three year old impact driver kobalt just came out with their impact driver and Milwaukee slaps kobalt around like a lil bitch. I would love if kobalt what is more powerful than Milwaukee if it was Milwaukee would come out with a new impact driver in that case Tool users win because we get better tools all the time because the companies like to compete with One another and we come out the winners we get better and more powerful tools
Are the green impact driver bits going to be coming out i am digging the colorway nice impact driver from festool mostly on premium side this is more reasonable
I've been using mine for a couple of months, now. I've been happy with it, for sure.
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. czcams.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
*I absolutely love this set **MyBest.Tools** should have upgraded to the 20V sooner. The impact driver is a must have for driving screws; compact and all muscle.*
*Why do you type in bold*
I am fully impressed! It’s just a complete czcams.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
Kyle: In general I’m a Festool lover. They do have hefty prices for their stuff. I’m a high end cabinetmaker and I need the best tools to do my work. On the job every day they work and if they break they have excellent service. You do get what you pay for and I can see your customers definitely get the best from you. You might as well have the best too.
Festool, people either love them or hate them. I had the Festool track before most people knew what a track saw was. People thought I was crazy to spend that kind of money on a saw. Now everybody wants a track saw. Yes you pay a premium for festool but their sanders and dust collection are hard to beat. Especially when working in a house that someone lives in.
I recently dove head first with a CT Midi I, sander, and the TID18 and drill driver because of the vacuum. I’m doing a lot of DIY around the house and I have kids. I didn’t want dust in the garage mucking up my kids’s lungs.
I have been in the remodeling business my whole life with the family business 50 plus years. When it comes to tools I'm a Milwaukee guy and have pretty much cut the cord on 90% of my tools. I look at the cost of tools as part of the business. If it is a well made tool and is going to save time and make my life easier it is worth the cost to me.
@@regopit44 That seems right to me. I think for homeowners who do this on the side, the calculus is a little different but the conclusions are not far off.
I think Festool was ahead of its time with some products, but the market has gotten so much more competitive that you have a handful of alternatives for every Festool classic now.
Lol festool koolaid drinkers love to smell their own farts
In my experience, the Festools I've used all have nice little design features. But at the end of the day, I also like them because they just feel so good to use. I've got a bunch of Milwaukee as well. Also great tools, and probably what I'd reach for if I'm doing something where the tool is going to get banged around a lot. I think of my Festools as precision tools for doing fine woodworking, and I wouldn't abuse them any more than I'd abuse one of my Starrett tools.
Festool has a 3 year warranty, no matter what you do with it. We use it all day every day :)
This is probably the most honest review he's ever given
Thanks but they all are honest...
I have that tool as well as several others from Festool. IMO, not all are perfect but the way they work as a system, there isn't anything else like it. Like Kyle says, buy once, cry once
I have to say I was extremely reluctant for years to buy any festool because of the price. I have had all other brands you name it I have had it. I bought my first festool drill driver in 2010. Yes I still use it on the job regularly. Obviously I have bought a couple new batteries cause batteries don't last forever. I have since bought 5 other festool drills and other tools and I have to say man do they hold up. No problems what so ever. I would recommend them all day worth every cent.
Thanks for sharing Kyle
Good and valid points.
It's primary intended purpose isn't to put away massive batten screws, it's designed to fasten finer fittings with better finesse.
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Kyle.....thanks for the review.
You rock!
If you're looking for a driver...or any tool, look for one feels good in your grip.
I've got the Mafell 91A121 ASB 18MBL and honestly after 20 years of carpentry and woodworking it's by far the most incredible, insane powerful drill I've ever used by far. On the down side It's really heavy and only has a 4amp battery not great ergonomics and tires your arms out after using it all day.
Good morning, Kyle!
You are such a logical, show me the proof kind of guy, I just love it.
I have had the Festool TS55 track saw for 12 or 14 years, it still works just fine and for my small shop it is great.
Using the TS55 with a vacuum in people's homes with, it leaves very little dust, it has earned a place in my workshop.
That being said, the Festool brand is stupid expensive here in Tokyo, I got the TS55 from Canada when I was home on vacation one year.
I really like the Hitachi, now Hikoki tools, for the 14.4v battery set I have 12 different tools, I also like the Blue Bosch line of tools.
We don't get the Milwaukee or DeWalt tools here and the Yellow Ryobi tools are not sold here either.
The Festool I would like to add to my workshop is a sander, but not until I can go home to Canada and buy one there instead of the stupid prices they want for them here.
Great review, and if I was not so heavily into the Hitachi stuff I'd give it a look, the price is right too.
Cheers
This is the most worthwhile and insightful tool review I have ever seen on CZcams. I would add to the criteria the tool’s durability.
festool builds in smart tech that inhibits the tools power from breaking itself or the material its working on. i dont own this drill but many other festool kits, and im sure its also the case with this.
You should get an option for a hard case or a bag for the same money. All high end tools used to always come in a case for no extra charge. When tools started coming with bags they didn’t drop the price, the price stayed the same! 👍🏻👍🏻
Can't justify it when all of our crew uses Makita 🤷♂️
Price point seems fair though.
I'm a huge Makita fan. I own just about every tool they made :-\
Same here.
Makita all day 👍😎
I think ergonomics are less subjective than you think, there's really important Universal's that everyone likes more almost all of the time, simple things like how much tension is on the trigger and forward reverse switch, how positive does the locking action feel, how smooth and precise is the trigger. I also firmly believe that the ridiculous overmolding companies do greatly reduce the overall feel of a tool and will irritate a hand when used all day or at least be uncomfortable.
TheVdog12 no kidding man, been working a lot with a Makita sawzall recently and the trigger is terrible, tires out my hand before anything else.
@@arrzfr usually Makita is known for having some of the better triggers, which sawzall model are you using?
@@TheVdog12 I'm using the DJR183 model. It has a front hand and a back hand trigger, the front is ok-ish, the rear one IMHO sucks.
@@arrzfr those "ergonomic" recip saws are horrible, some of the worst tools any manufacturer has made. I'd take a look at the black sub compact recip saw. It's gonna make more power than that one and I believe it's around the same weight but has a much more traditional style trigger that isnt awkward.
I have bought many Milwaukee impacts since switching to Milwaukee 6 years ago. All of them except gen 1 has come in a hard shell case and I have also seen them offered in the pack out system
I'll be honest with you. I choose my tools on availability first and foremost. Can I go down the road and look at it in person, purchase it or find batteries with ease. 2nd is my familiarity with brands. I've always trusted and loved Milwaukee because of how rock solid reliable they are. I could never see me buying a Festool because of those two reasons.
Fair enough!
And yet Festool aka Festo has been around since 1927 with the 1st chainsaw then circular saw, but I agree. Festool is more in specialty tool stores(which are my favorite) or online nowadays & not the big box stores. But even if you buy a familiar tool today in 3 years or so it might not be easy to get parts bc new models come around and aren’t compatable, which leads you to search online anyways. I still own an early 90’s Milwaukee sawzall & eventually will switch to the drills they are just built tough. And I would love to own a festool tracksaw but I hear makita isn’t half bad also.
@@MrLegendL2118 Festool is proven but they are a bit behind the market in a lot of tools. I love their tracksaws but i have a feeling every manufacturer will make all saws track compatible. Don't get me wrong I've tried a bunch of their tools and liked the majority of them but they are kinda hard to come by. I'm old fashion in that sense where I can stand buying a new tool online that I haven't got to hold in my hands. I have an old 90's corded Milwaukee sawzall that's probably been the toughest tool I've ever owned. That's what has sold me on Milwaukee and thet pride themselves in their quality. I also like how they are committed long term to their battery platform as well. In all honesty, if I can get 2/3 years out of my battery tools then they have paid for themselves because I use them every day.
Makita does make really good tools. I have an impact and couple saws and they are top notch.
Someone just set himself up for more free festools in the mail... good review kyle.
One of the things you identify is how comfortable the Festool is in the hand...I've found that to be true for pretty much all of my Festool tools, honestly. I don' t do construction work like you outside of some home improvement, so most of my use is in-shop, but that feel...the ergonomics...is really nice. The stuff lasts, too, which is important to me. I'm glad that you like the TID 18...
I have a festool the dust extractor and the hand sanding tools. I like them, really control all the dust when I used it for drywall repair. I work in a hospital so I always have to worry about dust. Just started to use their wood polishing tools.
check out abranet pads, they rock for polishing.
Excellent video, ergonomics should win every time if you're a professional and married to a tool all day and in awkward positions. It's a completely different think if you're a weekend warrior or a bench tech, then go for the cost effective or platform series of tools
Years ago I was 100% Dewalt. I switched over to Milwaukee when their tool line selections became so dominant and I only wanted to deal with one battery option! Best small lightweight impact in my opinion is the Makita. However I just dont want to have different chargers and batteries. Its nice and cheaper to build your tools up by buying the "tool" only option when you already have a bunch of batteries!
Spot on kyle!!!....ergonomics is number one on my list also....am a big Milwaukee fan....but love using my hitachi and makita drivers due to the lightness and comfort of use....👍👍👍👍👏👏👏❤❤❤
I am in complete agreement with the tool case vs tool bag discussion. With limited garage space; it is nice to be able to stack and/or stand the case on the shelf. as an internet influence, hopefully the manufacturers will listen to you (us).
I bought into a system and brand. I chose Festool. What I’ve found is because of the premium price, I clean and maintain them better than previous brand platforms. It’s made more tidy and organised as a result.
I have the Festool TID 18 and yeah, right away, it feels like part of my hand and arm. As you say, easier to use over long periods. Also, that fan. I can see over constant, heavy use on hot summers days how that fan might help this tool outlast others. I'm also guessing that this is just round 1 for Festool on these types of products, so round 2 might offer a more powerful, faster version.
I got one... Mainly because I have a lot of other Festool kit. Completely agree, it feels great in the hand. Better than the Makita it replaced. But it puts screws in wood.... I'm not going to care if another one does it a little faster... It goes faster than I can keep up.
B/c of everyone being “made” diff, & no one person is the same....The best for one, might not be the “best” for someone else. It’s really is subjective to the end user & what “they” think & want. It’s how it’s been for long time & think will continue to be so. Yes, brands make some pretty awesome tools, & features....but after all the smoke is cleared, use what’s best for you, & what you enjoy using, & yes....even if you want to pay $100-$500 extra for a tool. Who cares, if your happy with it, enjoy using it, makes you money, & likes it; WIN WIN, imo.
Appreciate the vid Kyle, & agree with criteria & like what ya saying. Really do like that triple hammer is water “proof”, & has come in handy on some jobsites 😉
Cheers my bro✌🏼
On black Friday 2 years ago I bought from the Home Depot a special edition Rigid kit for $299. It came with their premium skill saw, premium impact driver, premium Hammer drill, angle grinder, (2) 4 ah batteries, a charger, and a large bag. I have beaten the shit out if them for 2 years every day and they are still going strong. The best thing about them is that if they have a problem, they a guaranteed for life, including, the included batteries. They feel great, they are lightweight, the flashlight on the handgrip is awesome because you don't have to pull the trigger to use the light.
I really like Milwaukee but the main reason I use it is because I live in a smaller town and that's what my local hardware store sells. Now I probably got 20 plus tools and about 10 batteries.
Dale I was the exact same way
Here in norway, the festool impact kit with batteries costs 9500 crowns which equals a bit over 1000 dollars. Drill / impact kit cost 12 300 crowns= 1400 dollars. Way out of my price point. Dewalt / makita all the way
There are a lot of Festool tools I would not buy but I did invest in the Kapex miter saw and it’s worth it in my opinion. Thanks for the review.
I bought into the Festool Combo 2- drill kit which is the impact and the /hammer drill . Great set. Love the egronomics .
However i find the hammer trill chuck locks up a lot and have to oil it after using some compressed air to clean it.
The battery life is great!.
Have to agree the case and the fact it’s stackable makes it very attractive. I’ve been using Mikita tools for years then setting up cases to prolong the life of the tools due to the damage that always seems to occur when in the bags.
Festool is German-made. That alone is why I’m willing to pay additional for it. I used to love Milwaukee and Makita, until they cheaped out and moved their manufacturing from Japan and US to China. And you know what sucks about that? They kept the prices the same! I’ll pay the extra dollars to make sure my tools last me a lifetime. And that Festool track saw - WHAT A FREAKING BEAST. Hands down, the Festool track saw and miter saw are the best. Even Festool haters have to admire at the beauty of such precision engineering.
Festool have come a long way the last couple of years.
And they have a nice tracksaw system.
I personally only use Makita.
Good video. Thx
First off I have mostly Milwaukee fuel tools. I have one festool drill and impact. Festool drill is smoother and feels like a hot knife going through butter. Festool impact feels the same as Milwaukee’s best impact but smoother and more comfortable. What’s separates them is the warranty. Festool 3 year wear and tear plus coverage against stolen tools. Milwaukee’s 5 year warranty is not wear and tear only covers manufacture defects. And your screwed if it’s stolen. Plus you get a hard case with festool that stacks. Which I say is worth around 60-100 bucks if you go based of the cost for Milwaukee packout. If your in the market try it. You won’t be disappointed.
Love your reviews.
Also, in this review, take a shot Everytime Kyle says "ergonomics." Cheers!
they are that important
@@RRBuildings completely understand and agree. Just wanted to poke a little fun.
Equipment mechanic from California, here.
To me, Festool is something you consider buying after you have been working with wood for a while - you have bought and used your entry-level tools - and now you feel justified in investing in some higher quality tools.
I am still working with entry-level tools for the most part, but I am heading in the direction of upgrading some of the tools, and Festool is a consideration for tool upgrades.
Thanks for the review, I found this helpful and subscribed.
Triple hammer Multivolt alll day!! The triple hammer is an absolute monster!
yes it is
I always thought I hated Festool, but after getting their RTS sander I was completely blown away by the quality of the tool. I own 15 000 $ Bosch tools, but Festool is just waay better.
To me dewalt handle feels the best out of any I've held... So this is personally why I use that the most
Makita all day... Thought that new saw would've taught you by now! Great vids pal.
festool coming through with no review conditions! hell ya
Festool TID 18 is the Rolls Royce of impact drivers , nothing on the market compares to this , i have worked with Hilti most of the time and of course test all the worthy impact drivers and in the end i go all in with Festool , this one has speed , finesse ,power and ergonomics.
I own several Kobalt cordless tools and I couldn't be happier with them. They are noticeably more powerful and the batteries seem to last just as long as the ones in my other more expensive tools but are definitely heavier. I don't even really use the four amp batteries I have anymore because they're so large and cumbersome but the two amp ones are perfect.
Festool all the way plus 3 year warranty. I also own Ts75 track saw. It’s really all subjective but I own Dewalt too but... it’s for dropping and throw in bag and my son can use it. Waiting on my Kapex miter saw-again, you get what you pay for.
Kyle, I found that everyday tool to use for a carpenter is the New Rigid!!! Believe it or not... I say try it yourself & see... For the money, it’s Awesome & you cant beat there warranties as well! Have A Blessed Day & keep up the the Great Work!!!
I saw this video when you first put it out and am watching it again. This is a perfect review. Being almost 40 I'm all about "the feel." The main reason I use Dewalt is for the ergonomics (though not the best in performance) . I recently came into possession of an older Festool T15, which I love the feel. I'm now excited to buy the TID 18.
As a med skill level DIY’er, I’ve been really impressed with the kobalt 24V tools and have been expanding my collection.
Great video, I’m looking to update my entire line of cordless tools for my boat shop, this just helped seal the deal on festoon. Thanks man.
You’re a real good content creator because you basically said it not the worst without saying it’s not the best either 😂😂
Editing suggestion.
From a viewer's perspective, screen visuals help a fact dense video become organized and understandable.
This video is fact dense, you are verbally throwing out specs like price and power for multiple tools.
The viewer can follow along if the verbal queue is followed by a visual screen aid like putting the price above the drill.
Additional visual fact aids: Doing side by side column chart of the tool specs and price so the viewer can compare the tools.
This allows the viewer to wrap their head around a comparison.
Or having a screenshot of the tool and msrp off the manufacture website briefly pop on the screen. This adds some editing character rather than Kyle blandly talking for twelve minutes.
I separated this paragraph into sections, was it more comprehensive than a condensed paragraph? Yes. In fact, the visual appeal of an organized comment probably prompted you to not only read what I had to suggest but read it completely. Apply the same visual concept to a video.
Thanks appreciated and noted
I have Milwaukee and Dewalt impacts. Dewalt was always my go to... quick and aggressive. About 2 months ago I purchased the festool impact and although it's not as quick or powerful as the others, it's just so easy to use for extended periods. It's well balanced, fits my hand and is not blasting my wrist and forearm with feedback like the others. Sorry festool haters, but for an all day use impact, it's festool by a mile...
I own both Milwaukee gen 3 and makita xtd16 and although Milwaukee is faster and has more power the makita is always with me it just feels good and I love it great video!
The price is actually surprising. I'm used to hearing the name Festool and you know your dropping like 700 to a grand from the get go.
I think that's the point. They are trying to expand the brand a bit and get rid of the "festool is for smug assholes" reputation they've got over the years. Festool makes some really good tools that are great for a commercial setup. I mean they do make some really nice stuff and things like the Domino are fantastic if you are making tables all day long. But for the average hobbyist the tools are just flat out too expensive for most people. But people complain about pricing when they aren't even in the company's sales demographic.
I was debating the kit with the drill driver vs an impact/drill combo from Makita and ended up taking the risk on the TID18 for the case. My use is home/DIY and it’s been great. I can’t say how it compares to many of the other brands since I don’t do reviews, but I can say the TID has been very impressive over the last month or so since I got it.
@@MrClarkisgod Yeah they definitely have an image. I don't think they necessarily want to see their tools getting tossed in the truck or down in the dirt. Like putting mud tires on an Audi.
@@MrClarkisgod and like everything, the second they cut the price the quality goes with it ;)
I agree. Most of their tools are very expensive. I just got their ts55 track saw to replace a lesser expensive one from another brand. There is an absolute difference in quality. I'm a professional contractor that uses tools every single day. I have had Dewalt, Ridgid, Makita, Milwaukee, and have used many other impact drills on a daily basis. My Dewalt is dying and I have been giving the Festool TID18 a look. The price is competitive with Milwaukee and Dewalt and their warranty is great. I hate thinking of having my most used tool being a different brand, with different batteries, but at the end of the day I want the best tool I can get at a reasonable price. As unbelievable as it sounds- that might be Festool at this point!
Great video Kyle never thought I would say this....but..... I think I might go out and buy a Kobalt impact. 😂
...yeah, don't. It isn't actually faster or more powerful than Milwaukee. It may be a great little consumer product, but it doesn't punch in nearly the same league. Kyle is probably basing his statements off of what the packaging says. Rigid claims 2400 in. lbs. of torque. Milwaukee gen 3 is only 2000 and it will walk all over Rigid. The numbers that manufacturers put out generally don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
Without the tool in my hand, I can't say for sure, but the improved ergonomics may in part be due to the way Festool doesn't design their tools with flashy overmoulded grips? Almost every other brand tries to look like a running shoe to catch the buyer's eye, while Festool looks plain, but moulded more for function than looks.
Rob Locke What’s weird is, I’m normally on the same page with you, but when it came to the Festool impact, the flush and restrained overmolding made it way less comfortable than a Milwauke, Dewalt or Makita.
The festool looks like a nice piece of kit but at 668 euros $791 here in Ireland its too expensive. Festool are high price here in Europe.
You could just order 3 of them from an American store for that much. They’ll gladly ship it to you.
For those complaining that festool is too expansive please keep in mind that those tools a mostly build in Germany. There is a reason for ther quality. If you consider the fewer cost in labor and quality those other brands are paying for their tools, they are actually the one being "too expansive". And as German I like spending my money on my own people. If I would live and work in the US I would buy made in USA so my money stays in the country I'm living in.
Festool makes some AMAZING products. They do...the reason people hate them is their price. I inherited by dad's track saw. Before that I used a Kreg Track Saw that used a standard circular saw mounted to an adapter that ran on the track. It worked GREAT, and was all of $49 or $59 (I can't remember). That Kreg worked great. I made hundreds of cuts with it. THEN I used the Festool...umm...yea...TOTALLY different. That tool was designed for one purpose...to breakdown plywood or make long cuts without a table saw or doing it free hand. My biggest gripe of the Festool (besides cost), is that even with 3/4" Ply I had to set the depth of cut to about 3mm deeper than the gauge says (yes, there is an adjustment to it, but I've adjusted it 3 times and each time it comes out of adjustment quickly). Love the thing, but I would never buy one for myself, it just wouldn't get used enough to justify that cost.
I switched to Kobalt for a few reasons, 1 mainly is battery cost, no other company comes close to that. Durability, I've dropped it from 20' plus many times and I just pick it up and keep going
ive been using the triple hammer for over 2 years now. i also use a company new dewalt and i have the wakee fuel. I love the triple hammer, its been dropped off roofs, dipped in puddles, always working in the toughest conditions (trust me), and always gets the job done. Its an amazing tool. I will try the festool, only because i havent before, but i seriously doubt it will beat the truple hammer. btw the kobalt is garbage, no finesse, and horrible in the hand, honestly same with the milwaukee. good review! i totally agree, if i get the chance, or the money, ill give it a try, but until then, ill keep rockin the metabo
Kyle for ergonomics I confess I havnt used the festool but I do have and cannot say enough good things. The makita 172 is incredibly ergonomic. The other big brands really really really lack this important criteria
Great job Kyle! Your tool review videos are great to watch, and are really informative. Keep em rolling!!
That’s what I wanted to know. Impact drivers are a great innovation, we need one, but I wanted to buy a small, comfortable to work with powerful tool. Festool for me. Great video.
Ergonomics is very important. I just can’t stand reviewers who burn down the tools with wrong tools for the wrong tests. Dewalt 850 with the power stack battery is the best balanced ergonomic impact from what I tried.
I sold all my m12 Milwaukee because of the battery design in a tool handle. Hopefully Dewalt gets more 12v tools.
Back in the 90's when I did my Carpenter/Cabinet Maker training in Germany, Festool (back then called FESTO) was THE shit when it came to woodworking tools. It was already most expensive back then but their saws, routers and drills were just awesome and had perfect quality. The only real competitors available on the German market back then were Metabo of course, since it's a good old German professional brand, Makita, German brand Fein, Hilti (for stone and concrete works) and some Bosch. Black &Decker sold somewhat good drills back then. That was basically it when it came to power tools. So, I still have a thing for Festool, Makita and Metabo, because that were the brands we used most, but nowadays I really dig Milwaukee and DeWalt.
Now AvE needs to do a boltr on it as the festool circular saw he took apart is junk internally
That kit is 850$ dollars in Norway
the tracksaw and the domino is worth the money without a doubt, the kapex saw...maybe, depending on how accurate you like a chopsaw.
people rave about the sanders, but i havent used them to judge. mirka is supposed to be great, but they break a lot.
all the other tools can be purchased as other brands for less money.
despite the high prices, festool still manages to sell tools in overseas markets where cheaper tools are available this speaks volumes about how good some of their tools are for serious woodworkers. where they fail is charging stupid prices for everything else. the systainer being a prime example.
My last Milwaukee is seeming like it's getting pretty badly worn, and I don't do that much work with it. Festool didn't have an impact driver when I started buying Milwaukee, but I certainly miss using the tool that just screams quality every time I used it. I should see about getting some new batteries for my old Festool drill. Even after all the work I did with it, it's still a better drill used than the Milwaukee is new. Just a lot slower.
Festool will need to do a major rebranding and get far more available in stores for me to want to change. If they're wanting to improve their cordless lineup, great! We'll all gladly take a good competitor. But as long as I see that name and that color, I immediately think the tool is around the $1000 mark and move on without giving it a thought. I'll keep sticking with Milwaukee and Makita as I can afford to throw them around a bit without having a heart attack thinking I may be blowing a grand.
After watching BOLTR tear apart a Festool track saw and how cheaply they are made.. I would never buy one..
Chris AVE definitely did not catch onto the fact that there are people like me who depend on those detachable power cords to swap between five or six different sanders or two or three routers while using a dust extractor. He also wasn’t aware that his almighty radial ball bearing is exactly what commonly goes to shit on the Makita plunge saw. 🤗. I have no problem with his ignorance of the end user (it’s not at all his realm). But I am annoyed with people who parrot an expert on oranges when he comments on somebody’s applesauce. I don’t even like the Festool tracksaw. I prefer the Mafell. But the Festool product sure as heck ain’t a piece of garbage.
@@martynzl I didn't say he said that.. I am saying that.. Honestly I don't care what you buy as it doesn't affect me.. I just know that for the price point they are not worth it.. I am sure the price tag is associated with the high cost of manufacturing in a EU union shop.. But I would rather it be that than China..
@@robertrada4783 The Mafell is a beast.. I run the Bosch branded one, yeah I know not 100% the same thing, but made on the same line..
martynzl Same goes here. I’m tidying up a heap of old windows and doors on a couple of 100 yr old houses: swapping between a Rotex 90 and 150 with the plug it cord strapped to an extractor hose means I’m working efficiently all day long. Well worth the money.
I’m with you! I’m a sucker for anything that comes in a case, but I HATE bags! Bags are nice for throwing a bunch of hand tools into for one off jobs. Jobs where you would use tools that most of the time don’t come with cases, or jobs around the house. With any job I do, whether at home or offsite, my tools always get put up properly at the end of the day. Most of my older tools came in hard cases and I used to complain because of their size. They’re bulky and all look the same with no way of differentiating the tools inside. On the flip side, now a days most tools come in bags which absolutely suck when trying to store them in an organized way. Sure you can stack bags on top of each other on a shelf, but it’s a chore when you need to grab one on the bottom. It almost seems as though the manufacturers choose bags simply because they can have 3 or 4 sizes and throw any assortment of tools, batteries, and chargers into them and call it a kit. However most of us who buy a multitude of any one brand have realized that it’s much more efficient to buy a battery/charger kit, and then add your different “Tool Only” to the arsenal. I for one would buy a case even if it’s just for the bare tool by itself.
I had one of those super coupons for harbor freight. So i said "screw it" and bought one of the cheap Bauer 20v impact drills for an extra around the house. I don't think i would choose it over our dewalts on a job where i needed to be able to trust my tools but it seems to work fine. My father is a general contractor and his go to has always been dewalt so that's what im used to using. But the Bauer has surprisingly been a good little work horse around the house. Built two fairly large floating docks for my boat, replaced all my deck boards on the dock that is over a hundred feet long. House renovations, helping out friends and family with their projects and it hasn't really given me any trouble. 3.0AH Batteries lasts a good long while, charger is fast enough. My only complaints is the trigger is not linear enough, it goes from slow to full blast too easily. And i don't know if its just me but it smells bad when using it. It hasn't lost any power but when you use it for any lengthy period of time it just puts out an odor. I don't think i would recommend it for professional use or paying jobs but i cant hate on it for anyone that just needs one around the house for oddball jobs.
@Stevospeedo Have had the drill for about a year now and haven't noticed any loss in battery life or power so far on both batteries. Have already gotten enough work out of it to justify its low cost. If it dies it dies, ill just get another cheap battery and let it go another year or more. So far your opinion doesn't line up with my experience with the tool.
Good review. So glad you emphasized ergonomics. When i worked construction my company had mostly Dewalt. I didn't have many complaints except I have small hands. Dewalt just didn't fit my hands, reversing switches, etc were not easy for me and impacted my productivity. I used Makita if i could. I don't care how good a tool is if it doesn't fit or feel good in the hand. Ive been in Milwaukee for the last decade, but sometimes you need to break out of your chosen battery platform and get the right tool.
This is the same reason I like snap on, Mac, matco, and Milwaukee, but won’t buy a Milwaukee high torque. They’re just easier for me to work with comfortably all day. Ryobi for home use cordless, and it’s not bad in fact I wouldn’t use anything else for home use cheap to get into, and it works fairly well.
Honest and straight forward; everything we come to expect from you, Kyle. Thanks for sharing.
I think the cordless TS55 was the best thing Festool did to convince ppl to buy in to their battery platform.
Agree
Kyle, Milwaukee is the most powerful impact on the market. It wins all head to heads 👍🏻
Not against the kobalt... I’ve done it and post videos on Instagram
I love that you didnt get in the specs and bs of all that. Just regular opinions and thoughts on having used them all. Practical in every sense.
Bought this impact and was a complete impulse buy but now it's my go to driver, as you say the weigh and ergonomics mean that I find myself using it more and more great tool for kitchens and other interior work. it has just a bit more finesse.
love festool products, yes they are over priced in some tools, but honestly they cater to those that want top quality. not everyone pays for a Porche but there are that mass that will.
I sold all my milwaukee stuff, I use only kobalt cordless tools now...I love them...I'm a contractor and use them hard every day...never let me down...and I can buy 4 ah batteries for $50....
RR Builders, Great review... BTW: All Tools Matter... End of Story...
Men don't let other men grab their "triple hammer"...unless they are REALLY close.
Seriously though. great review. Most people don't go into ergonomics and in my opinion that is one of the most important factors. Sort of like a car that is cheap, has lots of muscle, but sitting in it and driving is not enjoyable for the long haul. You are less likely to use that tool, except for rare occasions. Glad you brought up battery platforms.This is often overlooked. You are not buying individual tools like in the past, you are buying ecosystems. What might be a cool follow up video is testing the batteries you find in these ecosystems. How long they run for? How long do they take to charge? Costs? How many cycles each battery is rated for (Relates to overall battery life). Be very useful for people picking out an ecosystem to invest in.
i love the festool mostly because of its easy functioning very accurate with routers etc., they work very clean and smooth, but the prices on that same impact driver over here in the Netherlands are around the 500 euro ,same set as you reviewed, a makita on the other hand with 2x 5 ah batteries is 170 euro cheaper.so for a drill ,that is mainly more impact on your wallet then extra drill you get
I have the kobalt impact and skill saw and they were used to build my 35x20 with a centered 12x8 jetti deck. Kobalt makes great tools. That said, I’d only use them for construction and festool for woodworking
Very useful video. The lower speed is actually a selling point for me. I’m the opposite of a pro, so I’m not trying to go very fast.
Man, I would love that Festool, but prices for Festool tools in Norway is way to high, the price for the Festool TID 18 here is 1062USD while the Hikoki/Hitachi/Metabo is 670usd. Which kinds of makes it difficult to justify the purchase of a Festool compared to a Hikoki/Hitachi/Metabo, even as a professional carpenter.
I have got hitachi impact and its looks like that green metabo ..... that metabo also got triple hammer that my hitachi got
Ergonomics are a big part. I always say tools are tactile if you pick them up and they feel right that is a great start. Hitachi or Hikoki now in Oz have always felt good to me. There new cordless nailer aside heavy enough for a boat anchor. Milwaukee tools no. I had a drill driver set hated it and gave it to the son in law who loved it. Each to their own. Festool always good quality. Their track saws started the whole run out there now but they have always been different. For every day general use not sure.
I know it would be a huge task, but all of the cordless tool reviews end up coming down to Battery Platform so maybe it might be worth getting your thoughts on each manufacturer's platform from a holistic point of view. Metabo, Milwaukee, Dewalt, Festool, etc. Strengths and weaknesses of each line, as well as any shining stars or worthless pieces within each line.
IMO people put too much emphasis on sheer grunt, price & system compatibility.
I have battery Metabos, M12 Milwaukees, and a few corded Festools & they all meet MY expectations for MY needs.
To "save money" on inferior tools that are a pig to use makes no sense.
I'm a multi-decade retiree and deal with some physical handicaps, but I absolutely enjoy using my tool investments so much that I jump at any chance to use them.
When tools are the right fit, you enjoy using them, have faith in their reliability, then price is irrelevant. 👍
I have used makita most of my life. I haven’t used another impact that is so smooth and feel right in the hand. When I have used dewalt impact feel ok but it’s run rough in comparison, Milwaukee is similar and I own some of the 12v gear it feel cheaper it feels like it’s going to wear it self out it short space of time. But I really wanna try to triple hammer!
I agree There are two camps on festools- there are those who make their living on these tools and find the tools to be well worth the price. And then there are those who are diyers or recreational tool users that complain about the price. The festools aren’t for everyone, it doesn’t make them overpriced.