2023 Double Eagle Noveske N4 MWS GBBR Review
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2023
- Welcome to the 2023 Double Eagle Noveske N4 MWS GBBR Review. This Airsoft Replica is a carbon copy of the TM MWS ZET system but dose that mean its any good and what improvements if any did they do?.
Damn, Double Eagle has been impressing me lately. I recently bought their Aeroknox AX15 polymer version a month or so ago, and it's amazing for the price. Can't wait to get my hands on this gbbr.
I remember how they were once known for their cheap springers that were absolutely unusable. Then they come out with their UTR lineup and starts making the best sub $200 aeg.
This is the one I’ve been looking for, I’m after a nice gbb for the range not to skirm with, and if I swap the green for Vfc I can get round 370fps. Awesome breakdown, just found your channel through this video. Don’t think I can do better than grab this
Per usual, great job..
I want one.
I just never wanted to put in so much work. NOW IM WILLIN TO, especially for helf price.
Great video! Convinced me to grab one for about $300 usd and it is a steal! Great gun, looking forward to anything else Double Eagle does
Cheers mate, was on the fence about getting this or not but after watching your vid the rest is history. 😅
Hi, seen a few of your reviews now and they are great. Based on this review I have now ordered this GBBR (my first GBBR Rifle).😀
How is it?
I just looked at it over here in The Netherlands and it's sold out everywhere! I hope they are back in store soon.
Great job mate thanks for the video
I am going to get this on Monday hahha! I was sold with this video hahah!!!
I've got mine had it for a while now... absolutely love it... plus I now have the HPA mag well adaptor... so I use AEG magazines EMP1s but I'm waiting for AIRTAC UK's shotshell adaptor for the MWS M4 to come back into stock therefore I will run all my gbbs... King Arms ARP9, Hi Capa, AAP, using CYMA shot shells. one "magazine" source multiple systems.
Is yours hpa then?
I order one and used it over the weekend, i was really impressed. Money well spent, this guy makes all the right argument....i order an inner barrel and bucking including bucking level arm. The same upgrades that TM MWS people do. I do RECOMMENDED! buy MWS magazines. The mag comes in the box not so great.
Did you have to shim the magwell to use the TM mags?
My first airsoft rif was a double Eagle UTR 556, i'm very impressed by it. I've been looking to upgrade to a GBBR and i've been eyeing up this MWS but its out of stock everywhere
bespoke airsoft rn
this will help me as new airsofter AEG or GBB tnx
Hello Andy, Andy here. This replica is most definitely on my list, but ofcourse I want the Tan version ;).
Hi fellow oldie good vid, just one question is the magazine release able to be changed for a ambi one? cheers
I’ve invested way too much on vfc gbbrs to justify buying this replica. The only reason I would get why I’m tempted to buy this is because there are so many mws conversion kits out there and this would be the cheapest way to do so without losing quality on the internals. Another great video also are you planning to get the Krytac gbb Vector?
Great review. Just FYI, the 300 BLK cartridge is not longer than the 5.56. Not sure why they told you that!
Also Andy, the cyma has a steel bolt and adjustable trigger box. A steel bolt is about 100lbs more in itself. Gunsmodify mags are going to be better than both lancer and DE mag.
Honestly, wobble is probably the most Realistic part. My service weapon, an m4 older than myself, had a little play in the stock, and the mags would fall out if the lower was bumped hard enough. any Keltec owner is familiar with wobble. and My custom AR pistol I need to shim.
I'm curious how it compares to the A-Plus N4. I'm torn on which one I should get in the future
Saludos! En tu opinión cual es la mejor gbb que al sacar de la caja se pueda jugar perfectamente si tener que ugradear? GRACIAS
Great review! I feel like they only made the T8 because some people will not buy a DE. Now that I know this is a 1:1 clone of an MWS I know what I want next (one day!). Do you know if the buffer tube is mil-spec?
Hi there, Thanks. The buffertube of the MWS dose fit milspec stocks, but I found that with the rifles I've owned, there is a little play, so some shimeing is required to eliminate the lose fit.
Well the Cyma version is pretty much a more “quality” version of DE. Without having the zet plate which isn’t really necessary with all the steel components. You can definitely see and feel the difference between Cyma and the DE. But for the cost, DE is a good choice. Just a few upgrades and you’re good to go
Honestly, our TM replicas are as expensive as they are due to the exporting/importing process. It is EXPENSIVE to export from Japan and equally expensive to import, I know guys that have visited Japan and returned with TM replicas for around a third of the price we pay here. Things may have changed mind you but they simply had to pay duty and make sure they were flying on Airsoft friendly airlines with all the correct paperwork so the price is the extra faff on this end.
I have the Noveske Bolster Tuned
Great video im really tempted into getting this as my first gbbr but i play mostly outside (woodland) what would you say the range is if im predominately an outdoors player
Hi there, out of the box, this is good out to 35m with .25g bbs. To use this outdoors, I would recommend extending the inner barrel, a decent bucking of your choice for your preferred bb weight, and to use Marui mws mags. This really is an entrance level replica. If you're looking at one fully upgraded with little to no work, stay tuned for more videos in the mws gbbr system coming soon.
I got this GBBR a few months ago, It is basically an upgraded TM MWS with full Noveske trades, and amazing value. Works great, put in an NPAS and you are good to go, mine came in at 370 FPS on 0.2 BBs. BTW trigger is much better than TM.
Why would you call it "upgraded" though? It performs worse lol
@@dejavusnip who cares troll elsewhere
No! I agree that the value is great. But calling it upgraded is just ignorant. It performs worse.
@@dejavusnipI agree with you, it quite funny that people compare this crap with Tokyo marui.
@@user-el1ll5nm8zit's not crap though. It's okay
Marui isn't perfect either, itcs always about compromises
I got a question my blowback unit is black instead of silver. did double eagle change it and if so what else did they change on it?
i got one and its decent only thing the nozzel broke so i switched it out, runs nicely with mws hpa set up and chucks .3 easy.
I'm sorry to hear about your nozzle. The great thing is that it is easy to replace and low cost!. I hope you continue to enjoy it, like I do mine!
@@MiddleAgeGameruk used it yesterday and had a good day till i went almost waist deep in a bog.
@@glenngubby6769is it worth it still 3 months later?
Great video, I have a question is it full metal?
Hi there, yes, it is fill mettal with only the magpull style stock and grip being polymer.
Rifle looks surprisingly good for the money. Nice review.
But how can it use the MWS branding if it's not a TM MWS?
Or is MWS not a TM trademarked term? It's clearly something I associate with my TM M4A1 MWS ZET hence my confusion on the matter.
Hi there, the MWS ZET system is Tokyo Marui's, but due to a mix of legal loopholes, such as it being over 10 years and having been made with steel etc they can get around it. The short and sweet is now that there's competition, it will help TM innovate again and bring prices down. My first gbbr was the m4a1 from tm, and I paid £449.99. Now, the same gun is closer to £600 and the new mk18 and urgi are coming in even more, so to see one at £349.99 is amazing value, especially for new gbbr players.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk I see, that makes sense. I got it from a patent point of view (you mentioned that in the video), I was just unclear on how they can use the MWS branding. Unless it's something that can't be protected, like the word the or and.
Agree it will be good for competition. TM seem to be on a bit of a go slow, where is their gen 5 Glock 17, or Glock 45?
I managed to pick up my TM mws in June this year for £530 from skirmish shop, good price compared to the 600-650 many others were charging. If I'd not gone for the TM one, I'd have been sorely tempted by this Noveski model.
But anyway, now I have a GBB rifle I totally get what all the fuss is about. Once you're over the pain of the cost of the rifle and the secondary pain of getting hold of the magazines, and their also high cost. You're left with a beautiful shooting experience that no AEG can match. It's a massive adjustment in play style when you're limited to 35 round mags, but it's made me a better, more aware player and I enjoy the challenge. It's especially fun when larping at a mil sim event.
MWS actually has nothing to do with Tokyo Marui. Marui's system is called the "ZET" system. MWS is the specific US military designation for the issued M4A1 model that was replicated.
I have just bought the guns modify Evo fully assembled bolt and nozzle, they come highly recommended. It doesn’t have the spring at the front for the locking lugs, wondered why guns modify don’t go with it. What does that actually do.
Hi there, the spring-loaded locking lugs are just there to absorb the impact of the bolt hitting the chamber and also help with stopping over penetration of the nozzle into the bucking.
Here in Asia they restocked it with the Gen 2. I don't know what changes they made but the Gen 1's issues are mainly the charging handle and mags, something i hoped they changed in the Gen 2.
Seems T8 improved the hopup chamber slope to solve the double feed BBs problem in Gen2.
Gen1 have a lot of feed back from players about double feed complaints. T8 tried to improve the nozzle but can't fix it in Gen1.
@@stevechau1298 Uhhhh this is about the DE and not the T8?
@@TheOperatorDelta ah my mistake......it's the same between T8(Cyma) & DE to me and I just did a quick search in Hong Kong's website that DE Gen2 seems just updated some steel parts and bolt color changed to black from silver. Didn't mention DE changed the charging handle and the mag at all
@@stevechau1298 ah that's a shame. I still would buy one though. It just works well for the price
where do I find info about the updated version? I bought one last week and i'm hoping for the black Bolt @@TheOperatorDelta
15:02 sayed its 0.2g bbs, but it was set to 0.25g bbs
How true is that you need to put some tape inside the magwell to make a TM work correctly and not damage the nozzle?
Hi there, the purpose of putting tape inside the magwell is only meant to stop the excess movement of the magazine. The main reasons for broken nozzles are due to overloading the mags and slaming them in on a closed bolt. The other reason is using higher powered gas, for which the bolt was rated. For example, here in the UK, nuprol 2.0 green gas is fine, but using it in a hotter/more humid country will result in too much force, and the nozzle will break. The last reason is just the quality of the part batch could be just off and therefore problems occur. Hope that helps.
i cant wait this one my future wife :*
I just bought this replica but I'm struggling to get the bolt caught back when I fire the last bb or dry fire, I just have the stock mag to test it out. Any idea of what's going on?
Hi there, it sounds like a gas type issue. The first thing to do is to insert an empty mag and pull the charging handle to the rear. If the bolt locks back, then you know it's not an issue with the zet system, and it is the type of gas you're running.
Can I use a 70 degree decepticon bucking with a 265 mil 6.03 nitroflon coated brass inner barrel for tm gbb guns by unicorn airsoft with this gun?
Hi there, the DE noveske N4 mws is marui spec, so yes. Nitroflon? Lol
@@MiddleAgeGameruk oops mb Thxs tho!
currently im using vfc apfg thinking of getting toxicant mws . vfc system better or mws?
Hi there, I'm currently filming the video comparing the 2 systems. The short answer is vfc is a great system for realism but comes at a very high entry cost and maintenance, whereas the MWS system is designed to be realistic on the outside but very skirmishable on the inside.
Zet system is better in performance and durability, vfc system have a harder kick
But i am waiting to see how G&G new GBBR system performs
any word on why the newer ones don't have the 300 blk markings bro? I ordered mine on bespoke recently and im hoping it will have the markings :(
Did it
@@tcct4618 yeah bro the new ones have the new black noveske marked bolt and the 300 blk markings. UK this is
Can't you simply buy a 300 blk dust cover? @@tcct4618
We’re did u buy it? Evike has pre order only
Hi there, as I'm in the uk, I got mine from Bispoke Airsoft. Co.uk. it is currently sold out, but the next batch won't be long.
Can anyone recommend a flat face trigger that would work with this? Thank you! Also I woule just be able to replace the buffer tube with a real milspec buffer tube just keep using the included weight and spring correct?
Hi there, you should take a look at the TAC AC trigger from C&C, as for the buffer tube. No, you can't or shouldn't be able to with the MWS platform regardless of manufacturer. The threads of the buffertube and receiver are different. The MWS buffertube internally is slightly smaller in diameter but externally will fit most milspec stocks. You can get an enhanced buffertube from Guns Modify if you want the single piece milspec look. Hope that helps.
@MiddleAgeGameruk Thanks I was looking into the BCM 11.5 GBBR by vfc people are saying it's better than this one any thoughts? Sorry I'm a noob to all this!
Hi there, it all depends on what you're looking to get out of your gbbr. Vfc makes amazing products. The BCM series, especially the new mk2 versions, are a solid realistic gbbr and are growing with parts accessibility. If you are looking for affordable, reliable, and cost-effective in your gbbr, then the Marui MWS GBBR is the way to go. My first gbbr was the TM M4A1 MWS. It was a good step into the gbbr world, and as you can tell from my channel, I've had many since. My best advice is to choose what feels right for you. If you like the BCM look, then go for it.
@MiddleAgeGameruk My primary reason is to get something realistic reliable and easy to modify. I'm using it as a simulation tool for real rifles.
Hi there, then go the vfc route. The vfc is very good in the realism department. There are more and more parts each month coming out for vfc gbbrs, and I would definitely recommend the mk2 BCM over the original mk1.
I want see copy of VFC gbbr system.
A-Plus already has came out with N4 running the vfc system
Which slingplates will fit?
Hi there, firesupport.co.uk have a lot of mws slingplates from various manufacturers. Just make sure to put mws in the search, and you will be ok.
is this the one where double eagle paired with cymas or is it just double eagle
Hi there, cyma partnered with T8, double eagle just did their own thing and licenced the Noveske N4 from EMG. I'm currently filming a comparison video with my cyma/T8 vs my Double Eagle
k, tysm!@@MiddleAgeGameruk
Im sticking to my GHK, great internals and the new 2023 version has corrected qc issues and using forging receivers
have you tried .30 bbs in at 30m, how does it perform ?
The stock bucking of the noveske n4 mws is capable of lifting .3s but only out to approx 20m. If you're running that weight, I'd suggest a tight, bore inner barrel and bucking suitable for the weight you're using. Together, they are relatively inexpensive, and you can also chainge the nozzle to a ratech npass nozzle to deal with jule creep. Hope that helps.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk that helps a lot thanks for the reply
I did watch this video again and I've noticed that you had .20 grams BB's and greengas, while the chrono was on .25. That's going to give you unrealiable results.
Is double eagle any good. Is it worth getting ut
Hi there, the Noveske N4 gbbr from Double Eagle is still running great. If you're new to the M4 gbbr platform, then yes, this is a great start. This uses the TM gas system, and their mags run great in this replica.
i have 3 DE, i sold my mws for this... if u change nozzle, and hopup rubber, u are laser
@Rockytherottweiller what parts do you recommend I am tempting to order this today
See you at Driverswood Saturday 28th for a night game..?
Thanks for the invitation, but sadly, I won't be able to make it this time due to prior commitments, I look forward to in the near future.
How does the "recoil" compare to VFC?
The vgc dose recoil more due to the steel bolt carrier and heavy buffer. I'm doing a comparison video, so I will hopefully explain better there
@@MiddleAgeGameruk nice, looking forward to that video!
VFC sucks,
Their QC non-existent and their parts breaks easily
everybody who understands the Taiwan productions knows that GHK and Viper are the best if you want:
1. Recoil
2. Durability
3. Reliability
VFC got them none.
get the upcoming GHK V3 AR if you want recoil.
Yet, if you have a brain, just get a piece of Marui, which its QC is done by Japanese.
Both stock GHK V3 AR and Viper has the most steel parts and 7075 aluminum available.
By just changing the nozzle, they both can take CO2 and still having a longer lifespan that an easily broken VFC.
It is simply unbelievable that VFC's reputation somehow magically become so good in the western english speaking societies.
VFC is considered only Tier 2 among Asian places, be it Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan; and Marui, GHK being Tier 1.
@@jasonlai980142 you’re like a decade behind because the game has changed. Vfc has vastly improved and is now considered the best, while ghk gone downhill in quality a lot.
@@ExiLeZH GHK’s AK’s reputation has gone down, because the 2019 receivers weren’t made by themselves but the LCT. Yet for GBB M4, GHK and Marui are still mostly used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.
What VFC has changed is their PR skills
Their QC has not changed at all and they are still using cheaper and weaker materials.
The first week the m249 is out, we have been witnessing broken parts in games with our bare eyes.
MCX and MPX even worse, broken receivers, broken bolt, broken outer barrel, you name it.
I have switched from AEG and started building my own GBBs since 2012, I have just built one this month earlier.
No one understands we Asian more than ourselves.
VFC is notorious here in Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Second handed VFC don’t sell unless it’s there’s no alternative like the MPX or the M249 or they’re sold cheap.
Here only newbies get VFCs and we have seen many regretted faces and most of the time they switch back to either Marui or GHK.
Where did you order from for this ?
Hi there, I ordered mine from Bispoke Airsoft here in the UK.
@MiddleAgeGameruk thanks matey I see you play at Driverwood would love to see this Rif in the flesh so to speak . Just stumbled over you channel top work well put together keep it going 👍 👏
Thanks my main site I use is Halo Mill CQB arena but I don't mind visiting other sites around the northwest of the UK. @@Angrypanda68
Another great video! Very tempting but I have zero respect of these "copycat" brands. Tokyo Marui is expensive but their hard work to produce high quality innovative products deserve my highest respect. In this aspect, I simply work harder to save up more and buy their products to show my support!
inthought souble eagle was a entry level brand
Hi there, Double Eagle, over the past few years, has been making a name for itself in the AEG category, going from entry-level to good solid built. This is their first Gas Bloback, and you'll have to watch the review to find out if they are continuing there climb up the ladder to success.
Dissamble it
Real lancer AR mags kinda suck. They look cool but that's about all they have going for them. Most well done tests show they're massively worse than pmags or even standard stanag mags. I'd suspect that's the major factor in why they're rarely seen in use. Too many problems, too unreliable.
I can't wait to get one of these! I feel like these are a very good alternative to TM MWS GBBRs. Could be wrong although the price is worth it
This is a good alternative. Now if you want something that’s solid ootb with no upgrades needed really, better recoil, more solid feel and adjustable trigger, try the cyma. It’s more yes but still cheaper than a tm Noveske kit