I hope so, showing mistakes or failures isn’t always my favorite thing to do but I honestly believe that folks (myself included) can learn as much from what went wrong as from what went right
I remember watching your original build of the shed. I would definitely say a lack of a triangle bracing at the top of the shed meant there wasn't any support and the wall experiencing the force of the wind held up against the other wall folded at the weakest points the joints in the arch. Consider building something like a Nissen Hut very popular in the UK from WW1 onwards. Some Nissen huts still standing today. Good luck with the new shed.
Thank you for posting this. I built a tiny greenhouse based on your shed and was planning to maybe make a canoe shop using the same technique. Failure mode analysis is king! I guess your aviation background contributes to this attitude. The greenhouse is still doing fine, but it only used 8' spans in the arches, so it has a much smaller wind footprint. I anchored it to a couple of 8" logs with 3" screws. It has been through some pretty significant wind already with no problems.
I also started watching your channel with the start of this build. Thanks for sharing this with us ,looking forward to the next updated version ...God Bless
Been doing some research on arched frames for a while now. I came across a fellow who devised a Styrofoam aircrete mix, that he used along with backer board forms to fill the walls, and gaps in the arches which are built very similar to yours. He then stucco coated the interior and exterior, and coated the outside with some sort of permeable outer paint. The result is an insulated and rigid form "shed". He notched his arches to fit over a sill beam running the length of pad he built his on, and tied into the sill beam for base rigidity. Both of you are inspiring and brilliant minds. Best of luck with the next build, can't wait to see you pick this concept back up!
Yep, that was the build that made me sub to you channel, no regrets👍🏽 It lasted for a substantial amount of time and weathered the seasons pretty well considering! 👌🏽 Looking forward to shed build 2.0😉
Thank you for showing the failure mode of the shed. I've been wandering through lathe built gothic arches since I stumbled across shamrock aquaponics greenhouse build and engineering. Time to explore your build further.
Well that's interesting, I am one of the subscribers that found your channel watching the build of this shelter. I think it held up pretty good under the circumstances. I hope you rebuild another more substantial structure. I see you have been working on your Taliban beard.
After seeing this vid I watched the other vids for this project. Good build. Better gussets and keeping the wind out was all that it needed. Your next one will be rock solid.
You could keep the blocks in the same fashion you had, just run a carriage bolt through everything to hold things together. You wouldn't have to do every block, just bottom, middle and top. at first the cleanup looks so monumental to take on, but little by little it comes apart in a timely fashion.
6:58 nah. It was structurally poor for the load expectation imho. Other bow sheds can sustain 50mph and higher wind loadings without damaging the structure. It folded into itself is what I see
Just came across this. The structure itself was a great idea! Having full walls on the ends and trailer straps on augered in anchors, along with the taller trusses as you mentioned, could have made this a tank.
The plywood has moisture between the plies. That moisture has expanded and contracted, resulting in broken plywood that is not stable enough. A cob shed would not have failed and would of cost a similar amount and would have taken a similar amount of time. Would have been a lot less complex to build as well.
Seems like the plywood strips could be the biggest issue. Think about the construction of the plywood itself. When bending, the outer veneer take almost all the strain and they are very thin. Once the load is greater than the skin's strength, the entire strip will fail. If I'm not mistaken, you had that very failure in the video on constructing the bows. Building out of solid lumber (1x3, 1x4) strips might have saved the structure. Ironically, the spacer blocks might have been better constructed out of plywood built up to thickness.
I thought that your shed was quite clever. Too bad it fell down. Who knows how hard the wind was blowing when it failed.. It could be that an even more substantial shed would have failed as well.
I wonder if another layer of wood on each side of the arches and less distance between the spacer blocks And a ridge beam and two different heights of collar ties X in between them might have made a difference Or if it would had broken the arches below the collar ties any way
could you use a sheet metal stud 6" x 1.25" flange cut up in linear chunks of 6" screwed thru wood to sheet metal flange( longwise) on the inner and outer strips at the outer edge, and another piece of sheet metal stud 4" screwed perpendicular to the other pieces? in stead of blocks down the middle? build a "c " inside the truss then you could long run a 2x4 on top of the cross piece and get good clamping forces. just an idea.
I was subscribed well before the shed. But I built my version of the shed. I put out a rather poor quality video on the things I did to strengthen my version. You may find some things in it helpful. Some of my favorites from your videos are the one on video lighting and the giving trailer.
Oh! No! :( My first video was the start of the build. Well it looks to me like he/you are in ID, Eastern WA, or Western MT. Maybe OR but I do not think so. (I have spent a lot of time in the woods logging and hunting.) Anyhow I kinda thought the wind or heavy snow would get it out here. I live in MT and we all know what the wind is like out West. The reason I liked the videos, Is that Zack is honest. "I think I know what to do. I think it will hold but not sure. I just want to do something." Well that's how it always starts :) Right people? :D Always better than doing nothing.
I wanna see the boat float. I know the ZJ is ok. That 4.0 liter will run after the big one! EDIT I see by the back you have the last year of production V8! Congrats!
Oh yeah there’ll be some boat action for sure this summer! The ol Zombie Jeep is on the short list of things to get sorted out, she’s a beast but after a while of sitting refuses to start. Probably chipmunk damage >:-/
Brothers Grimm would have you reference the 3 pigs story. Seriously tho I see your point that the failure was more topside than below. Plus I will show my son (14) how you reuse material. He thinks I make up stories .
Indeed! Perhaps OSB falls somewhere between straw and sticks. It makes me crazy when I’m unable to reuse stuff I paid good money for, so there will definitely be some of that going on here
The media would cover it as such - CNN it's all HIS fault! Fox it's all the snowflakes fault! That was my attempt at how Johnny Carson would have made that joke.
Thanks for taking us along. It sucks that your shed collapsed and needs to be rebuilt. But the lessons we can all learn from it are invaluable.
I hope so, showing mistakes or failures isn’t always my favorite thing to do but I honestly believe that folks (myself included) can learn as much from what went wrong as from what went right
I remember watching your original build of the shed. I would definitely say a lack of a triangle bracing at the top of the shed meant there wasn't any support and the wall experiencing the force of the wind held up against the other wall folded at the weakest points the joints in the arch. Consider building something like a Nissen Hut very popular in the UK from WW1 onwards. Some Nissen huts still standing today. Good luck with the new shed.
Thank you for posting this. I built a tiny greenhouse based on your shed and was planning to maybe make a canoe shop using the same technique. Failure mode analysis is king! I guess your aviation background contributes to this attitude.
The greenhouse is still doing fine, but it only used 8' spans in the arches, so it has a much smaller wind footprint. I anchored it to a couple of 8" logs with 3" screws. It has been through some pretty significant wind already with no problems.
That’s really cool to hear that somebody else built something inspired by my project, and humbling. Thank you Jim
I also started watching your channel with the start of this build. Thanks for sharing this with us ,looking forward to the next updated version ...God Bless
Thank you Guy! It’s in the works
Been doing some research on arched frames for a while now. I came across a fellow who devised a Styrofoam aircrete mix, that he used along with backer board forms to fill the walls, and gaps in the arches which are built very similar to yours. He then stucco coated the interior and exterior, and coated the outside with some sort of permeable outer paint. The result is an insulated and rigid form "shed". He notched his arches to fit over a sill beam running the length of pad he built his on, and tied into the sill beam for base rigidity. Both of you are inspiring and brilliant minds. Best of luck with the next build, can't wait to see you pick this concept back up!
Do you have a link for this persons videos? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
@@shannonp4037 czcams.com/video/IqUbTmelkRI/video.html here is one of his projects.
gave up on aircrete info czcams.com/video/Ogf2hIboyFI/video.html
a downside of aircrete czcams.com/video/Ogf2hIboyFI/video.html
Yep, that was the build that made me sub to you channel, no regrets👍🏽
It lasted for a substantial amount of time and weathered the seasons pretty well considering! 👌🏽
Looking forward to shed build 2.0😉
Thank you for showing the failure mode of the shed. I've been wandering through lathe built gothic arches since I stumbled across shamrock aquaponics greenhouse build and engineering. Time to explore your build further.
Well that's interesting, I am one of the subscribers that found your channel watching the build of this shelter. I think it held up pretty good under the circumstances. I hope you rebuild another more substantial structure. I see you have been working on your Taliban beard.
Lol ouch.
You’ve inspired (or shamed) me, it’s all trimmed up now
You means a "mans" beard not an effeminate impotent man.
After seeing this vid I watched the other vids for this project. Good build. Better gussets and keeping the wind out was all that it needed. Your next one will be rock solid.
I remember when you posted the video building this shed. I hate to see it dead, but I do look forward to the next iteration
what i really wanna know is if that boat is still running
You could keep the blocks in the same fashion you had, just run a carriage bolt through everything to hold things together. You wouldn't have to do every block, just bottom, middle and top. at first the cleanup looks so monumental to take on, but little by little it comes apart in a timely fashion.
Both very true
I often wondered how the shed was doing. I think it held up rather well for an open build like that.
Yeah I think it was a worthwhile endeavor
6:58 nah. It was structurally poor for the load expectation imho.
Other bow sheds can sustain 50mph and higher wind loadings without damaging the structure. It folded into itself is what I see
Best way to test any structure is to shake it and if it moves strengthen it. Plus 1/2" osb plywood is not designed to span more than 24 inches
Just came across this. The structure itself was a great idea! Having full walls on the ends and trailer straps on augered in anchors, along with the taller trusses as you mentioned, could have made this a tank.
I really enjoyed the original build. Lets do a new and improved version !
The plywood has moisture between the plies. That moisture has expanded and contracted, resulting in broken plywood that is not stable enough. A cob shed would not have failed and would of cost a similar amount and would have taken a similar amount of time. Would have been a lot less complex to build as well.
Seems like the plywood strips could be the biggest issue. Think about the construction of the plywood itself. When bending, the outer veneer take almost all the strain and they are very thin. Once the load is greater than the skin's strength, the entire strip will fail. If I'm not mistaken, you had that very failure in the video on constructing the bows.
Building out of solid lumber (1x3, 1x4) strips might have saved the structure. Ironically, the spacer blocks might have been better constructed out of plywood built up to thickness.
Enclosing it completely, making a small trough of stain and passing it through to seal the timber and plenty of cross braces would have helped.
You should add this to the shed playylist. Lots of good info here for that.
Another sad ‘soldier’ bites the dust. Rest well, you served well
I thought that your shed was quite clever. Too bad it fell down. Who knows how hard the wind was blowing when it failed.. It could be that an even more substantial shed would have failed as well.
That’s very true, that particular wind storm snapped off numerous big trees in the area
I wonder if another layer of wood on each side of the arches and less distance between the spacer blocks
And a ridge beam
and two different heights of collar ties
X in between them
might have made a difference
Or if it would had broken the arches
below the collar ties any way
could you use a sheet metal stud
6" x 1.25" flange cut up in linear chunks of 6" screwed thru wood to sheet metal flange( longwise)
on the inner and outer strips
at the outer edge,
and another piece of sheet metal stud 4" screwed perpendicular to the other pieces? in stead of blocks down the middle?
build a "c " inside the truss
then you could long run a 2x4 on top of the cross piece and get good clamping forces.
just an idea.
if i was doing that temporaryish i would have put 4 IBC's at each corner anchored to the wall plate water filled.
I was subscribed well before the shed. But I built my version of the shed. I put out a rather poor quality video on the things I did to strengthen my version. You may find some things in it helpful. Some of my favorites from your videos are the one on video lighting and the giving trailer.
looks more like a snow load problem, and the missing ridge beam
Another semester completed at the University of Hard Knocks. On to the next class!
Looking forward to the rebuild
Thanks for sharing that!
Thanks for watching!
Oh! No! :( My first video was the start of the build. Well it looks to me like he/you are in ID, Eastern WA, or Western MT. Maybe OR but I do not think so. (I have spent a lot of time in the woods logging and hunting.)
Anyhow I kinda thought the wind or heavy snow would get it out here. I live in MT and we all know what the wind is like out West.
The reason I liked the videos, Is that Zack is honest. "I think I know what to do. I think it will hold but not sure. I just want to do something."
Well that's how it always starts :) Right people? :D
Always better than doing nothing.
I wanna see the boat float. I know the ZJ is ok. That 4.0 liter will run after the big one! EDIT I see by the back you have the last year of production V8! Congrats!
Oh yeah there’ll be some boat action for sure this summer!
The ol Zombie Jeep is on the short list of things to get sorted out, she’s a beast but after a while of sitting refuses to start. Probably chipmunk damage >:-/
"I'll be back..."
a realist point of person shows hows his project failed and fixes it*
Coming up next… a fire pit build.
I just viewed the build and now RIPieces...
Brothers Grimm would have you reference the 3 pigs story. Seriously tho I see your point that the failure was more topside than below. Plus I will show my son (14) how you reuse material. He thinks I make up stories .
Indeed! Perhaps OSB falls somewhere between straw and sticks.
It makes me crazy when I’m unable to reuse stuff I paid good money for, so there will definitely be some of that going on here
R.I.P...
🪦
She’s in the arms of the angel
Lol beautiful
Sh#t happens, on to the next build.
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
Next build (interim) has already begun!
@@ZackOfAllTrades if you never try you have failed already.
And I'll be back watching as well.
Sounds great, Steve!
We’re still praying daily
Of Course, Keep in Mind,,, You must Study Carefully, Where, Exactly, to Place the Extra Molecules. Decidedly, It Will Be Built . 👍
gO AhEaD, whAT aRe yOU waITInG foR,
An iMAgiNatiON ..?
That sucks.
Yeah but we have the technology, we will rebuild it!
@@ZackOfAllTrades 😊😊😊😊
It Was Fun While It Lasted
Yup
you need some Navy SEABEES, my shed would have failed at once … I suck at carpentry
Yeah only problem is the fighting that comes with the building lol
@@ZackOfAllTrades I am an old jarhead. I have great respect for the SEABEE'S
Hmmm,,,,, Simple really,,
‘Needs More Molecules.
‘Pretty Sure about that...
More Molecules It Shall Be!!!
The media would cover it as such -
CNN it's all HIS fault!
Fox it's all the snowflakes fault!
That was my attempt at how Johnny Carson would have made that joke.
Lol
😁 CNN would find a way to blame this all on Trump!
Why not put on the first video in big red letters "don't copy this it's a waste of time" before people sit through the series? Exasperating.