Stargate Atlantis - Season 2 - Coup D'Etat - Atomic Revolution
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2023
- There are aspirant leaders who prefer cyanide while others opt for the familiar bullet and others still employ a well-aimed four door sedan; Ladon, however, absolutely detests the possibility of a half-measure...
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Good thing the guy who activates the shield was on the ball today.
would have been awkward if either he or shep delayed the "shield up" command by half a second, vaporizing the entire gate room and possibly Atlantis itself
*that day
While dramatic. They could have had that conversation with the shield up XD
Good thing they have shield with instant activation and not the iris. Don't think it would close in time.
The Genii were one of the more interesting aspects of SG:A (rather than the rehashed plots lifted from SG1) because the dynamic has been flipped. The Genii are the militarized primitive upstarts looking for any weapon they can get their hands on to fight an overwhelming enemy and the Atlantean Tau'Ri are the snooty advanced aliens denying them that technology for a greater reason they can't understand.
Probably doesn't help that the Genii jumped the Tau'Ri from the first meeting and antagonized them almost every time they met.
Tau'ri didn't actually mind sharing technology with the Genii, just that the Genii were so untrustworthy.
@@DavidKnowles0 Tau'ri developed a similar attitude of not sharing their technology as other alien races like the Tollan did. The Langarans, or the peoples of Tegalus, and even the Russians were factions. the Tau'ri refused to give technology, which made them very hypocritical while trying to acquire advanced technology while refusing to give it to others
Honestly it’s more like the Genii showed them why more advanced races are so reluctant to give primitive races advanced technology, that and the genii are like an entire species of NID and IOA agents.
@@damirbabic8168 I thought it was effing strange that on SG-1 They didn't start a large scale colony like hundreds of thousands. I am sure they could have kept that hidden for a few years.
That prison time that O'Brien got trapped in his mind did fucken more than we thought
😅🤣😂😅🤣😂
@@ImAmiruswas referring to his Star Trek role in DS9
@@ImAmirus no, it was not bad 🤣
@@idriscorvus2237 Wasnt he working for TNG
@@dukenukem8381he was on the enterprise then transferred to deep space nine
2:30 I love that response: "Where did you get a nuke?"
"I am our head scientist. I _built_ it."
3:45 Funny detail that they are called "the Atlanteans" there. Not Humans, not Earthlings.
To be fair the Genii are humans too, would be weird for them to call us humans like it was something other.
I also think most people in Pegasus tends to call the Expedition something like "The people living in the city of the ancestors" or "the people living in Atlantis" or such, Atlanteans seem a decent shorthand even when everyone knows the Expedition isn't the original builders or owners of Atlantis, which would be the Lanteans.
@@NATIK001 I would say the Tau’ri Humans do have legitimate ownership of Atlantis. They were the closest descendants of the original Atlanteans right?
@@Yarpon
Human civilisation in Pegasus co-existed with the Ancients at a highly advanced level. When the Ancients abandoned Atlantis and returned to the Milky Way, humans on Earth had only just begun to form permanent settlements and abandon life as hunter-gatherers.
If anything, it's bizarre that Pegasus humans apparently can't use Lantean tech because they don't have the gene when logically, there should have been a lot of human-Lantean mingling while the Tau'ri were still living in caves.
@@DomWeasel
1)
The "Atlantian Gene" is probably one specific genetic combination out of the thousands that make up the genetic instructions to build a being, not even counting the leftover garbage genes.
Even if there had been some mixing, there is no guarantee that this would have been one.
2)
Plot device.
@@darkwater72 I seem to remember reading that Ancient tech does not scan for the gene itself, per se. Instead, the gene causes the body to produce a specific type of protein that acts as the medium for the tech's neural interface. There's an expanded universe novel where the Atlantis team finds an Ancient lab that performed human experimentation aimed at producing an artificial gene for use by humans, but it had horrible mutagenic side effects that were contagious, so it was abandoned.
Also, something that occurred to me a few years back: just because someone has the gene does not necessarily mean it's actually expressed. Genetics is not that black-and-white.
cheif o'brian got NUKED
Nah, he is just in a holodeck.. Still trying to get the DS9 computer to open the doors..
Apparently, being the Chief Engineer on DS-9 wasn't good enough. Damnit O'Brian, just had to have delusions of grandeur didn't you.
His shoulder will take the brunt of the force.
@@Ragitsu well. We know if he gets sick from the radiation, he will just come back from a different timeframe. I hate temporal mechanics.
@@Ragitsu Brunt, FCA!
Hah, even Stargate has an "O'Brian must suffer" episode.
Interesting seeing Colm Meany play a villain here. Yet as chief O’Brien, he’s such a nice guy.
got to give it to the man, he had utterly no hesitation coming clean. The Atlantis team was just pawns in the end game, if there was no medical fix for the dying genii, they were just as dead
4:35 - wow that was cutting it close. The nuclear blast almost entered Atlantis and no one really cared.
Plot timing.. They were actually waiting there for several minutes for dramatic effect.
@@ColinRichardson "Word from the wise: a raised gate shield is *much* safer than those oh-so-satisfying theatrics."
well you dont want someone else dialing in when the blast hits.
I had to listen twice before I heard Sheppard's 'shield up' order. Good job someone not only had their finger on the button, but also didn't need to hear the order repeated like I did.
@@epiendless1128 Should have put the shield up as soon as the last stepped through.
That was one hell of a late "shield up" by Shepard...
looks like obrians holodeck plays are getting more interesting
Yeah, I really don't think Cowen realised how powerful the Tau'ri in Pegasus were with the Daedelus and a ZPM 😅
Wouldn't even be that hard just fly the Daedelus to the Genii homeworld, beam a strike team down next to the gate, plant a beacon on the gate/DHD, beam team/gate away back to the Daedelus and leave. Genii are now isolated from the rest of the galaxy and I doubt the remaining Genii spies in hiding would even be able to strike back in any meaningful way.
Miles O'Brien really went dark after getting stuck in the mirror universe.
I just find the concept of coup d'etat and all the Machiavellian mind games required, very fascinating. 😍
Did you get some meds for your ridiculous handle?
@ ...?
@@Ragitsu Not you.
@ Naturally. Why pick on his name?
@@Ragitsu A) Because it is ridiculous.
I would have had The Daedalus jump to The Genii homeworld and beam away their gate
Lmao no gate for you, you guys are grounded, literally.
Yes, that would literally end the genii threat permanently.
Yeah, I mean, there would be so much the Tau'ri could actually do with the Asagrd tech. Take the Asagrd Beam weapons. Once earth had that, it was game over for literally anyone else. That thing could crack Atlantean and Ori shields without breaking a sweat, which were some of the most powerful shields out there. Slap a few of those onto some orbital platforms, and now one is getting near earth without permission and living to tell the tale.
Sci-Fi shows are always full of holes that in reality would be different. That's why I try to not think too hard when it comes to watching sci-fi. Just along for the ride.
@@Spinikar Maybe if The Stargate was public knowledge but after what happened on Tegalus there is no way the governments will ever allow that to happen.
I never understood the genni in the whole war with the wraith. They wanted to protect their people but constantly started wars with the people they needed to defeat the wraith.
It's certainly realistic.
It makes some sense when you consider that their plan was to build a modern civilization in hiding under a fake regressed one. Allies to them would be security risks. They prefer to manipulate and extort their "allies" and if anyone learns their true nature they probably consider it safest to kill them and take their shit and add to their stuff in hiding.
It probably worked with a number of other Pegasus civilizations before the Atlantis Expedition, but with the Expedition the Genii just met someone too far in advance of themselves and struggled to carry out their usual tactics, and a combination of sunk cost fallacy and old dogs and new tricks meant they failed to see alternative ways forward.
During WW2, Churchill wanted to declare war on the Soviet Union and send troops to Finland during the Winter War. This was after Dunkirk lost the British Army 70% of its tanks, 80% of its AT guns and 60% of its artillery, and after the RAF had won the Battle of Britain by the skin of its teeth and the Royal Navy had taken brutal losses at the hands of the wolfpacks in the Atlantic. Churchill believed this was the best time to declare war on the USSR.
Fortunately, saner minds than Churchill's prevailed, pointing out that conflict between the USSR and Germany was inevitable. But I often think about the fact that in alternate realities; Britain was at war with both Hitler and Stalin at the same time.
So the Genii aren't that strange.
That's the thing with totalitarian regimes. You are either a vasal state, or an enemy.
If you maintain your independence, you are an enemy.
It’s because of of fear. The genii are a paranoid people and very conspiratorial causing them to mistrust everyone they came in contact with.
Pre-writers strike era SciFi channel was something else.
Série excelente. Assisti toda e várias vezes.
O'brien doesn't just go through hell this time he gets launched right into it.
Awesome'brien.
Its nice to see people still watching the serie, and uploading clips of it. Stargate is so fucking underrated, I would say its even better then Star Wars, from the Storie line.
I wish more people would know Stargate and there would be good games, fan animation etc.
Agreed for the most part
They started to milk it dry in the later seasons of SG-1(ala Sequel Trilogy for SW) and it kinda went out in a wimper rather than a bang.
Stargate is a bit of an odd duck when it comes to video games set in a popular sci-fi series. Multiple games were in production but never finished because of legal and financial problems between MGM and the development companies, except for a mobile game that isn't notable. As of 2023, there is a game in production called Stargate Timekeepers, which I'm hoping it will see release.
3:30 gotta hand it to mike dopud. After leaving the russian army and sneaking into the Pegasus galaxy he worked his way up really quick to be in cowens elite guard. After bragging how he survived getting shot and a nuke going off the wraith were quite impressed tracked him down and made him a runner. More to follow after ragitsu releases his next episode :)
And then he somehow made it back to the Milky Way to become a member of the Lucian Alliance!
You forgot his first gig: Space Nazi.
@@Ragitsu Was that SG-1’s The Other Side?
@@Phoenix1Leader Yep.
@@Ragitsu really? What episode did I miss him in? I thought I covered all up to this point
The Geni was one of the best enemies.
"Shield up" like one second before it went boom. I think shield should have gone up before then
Wow, I didn't realize that Momoa was in this show. Glad to see one of his humble beginnings.
To me aquaman isnt Ronan, Ronan is aquaman
@@Avanath1571 so true king
You should google Jason Ioane, a character in the 1990s baywatch. You'll be suprised.
Hey Cowen! Ladon here. CONSIDER YOURSELF BACKSTABBED!!
Backnuked?
@@Ragitsu nope. Stabbed sounds more cool
Chief O'Brien really did get fed up being on the rough end of the stick for all those years.
God I just love those sets and sfx.
so this is what living an Cardasian build and run by the federation deep space station do to chief O'Brien
Anubis: Nice place ya got here.
O'Brien, no!
I think this is what frustrated me the most with Stargate Atlantis. They more or less the most Advanced people in all out the series other then Wraith. Fake-Ancients and Replicators. All who they still stand the best chance to fight. yet again and again they get beaten, tricked. Lured. Trapped. Overtaken. Stolen from. Kidnapped by. Factions and groups that on the tech level of Coal and steam or bow and stone.
ANd it's always based on them not being prepared to do what's necesary and just continue to make the same mistakes over and over. =/
Humans think as humans?
@@BlackDiamond2718 There are a few times they do. but allot of times they just.. No we have to be better. No we can't hurt them. No we can't take revenge.. Like for what? 2-3 seasons they knew where most of the Jedar leadership where. They knew where they had the nuke factory. But they did not do shit until the jedar had a moment to strike at them and was manipulated in to a coup.
I'm all for the heros being heros. But sometimes I just look back to the first episode of Firefly where he shoots the cop without hesitation and it reminds me that heros doesn't necesary mean spare the bad guy.
I mean how many times did they fight that Jedar leader guy? That kept threatening them. kept taking them hostage. Kept telling them it was there fault all this was happening. Kept fucking with them throughout like 2 seasons or more. And after what? 5-6 run ins with him and letting him go? Then we killed him.
Imagine if Voldemort was given 5 strikes. Harry having him at his mercy and just going. nahh. Next time. You be so fucking mad and confused.
@@BlackDiamond2718 several instances where diplomacy just let them get taken advantage of.
Its not about them showing mercy. Its the story narrativ forcing them to make stupid decisions.
He's scary
Doesn't Atlantis have access to a spaceship at this point? The Daedalus is available to them part of the time in season 2. In season 1, her threat of war would have been pretty toothless. But now? They aren't restricted to the stargate and small arms. Weir actually has all the negotiating power here, other than her clear emotional compromise re: Shepard and team.
People have remarked that the _Daedalus_ could simply take the Genii Stargate.
By this point, the Daedalus is available assuming she's in the Pegasus galaxy and not the Milky Way. It certainly wouldn't be difficult for them to simply be diverted to the Genii homeworld and either just beam their stargate up, or, if the Tau'ri really wanted to be petty, beam a nuke in the middle of their underground city and wipe them out in one fell swoop.
Sheppard is one crazy balls out Master tactician 🇨🇦💪😎
They actually expected Ladon to keep his word?, come on.
Awesome Ladon.
In his defense, once he took over, the Genii as a whole stopped being a threat to Atlantis. Pretty much all of the other times we see the Genii as the bad guys, they're either renegades who followed Kolya, or they were what remained of Gowen's loyalists who survived the coup and fled the planet to become mercenaries or that ilk.
@@patrickwilkinson7351 True.
@@patrickwilkinson7351
This is why Ladon is one of my favorite side Characters of the show. Kolya and Gowen were overly ambitious, Ladon was the Leader the Genii needed. The Man immediately saw the Situation and made a business decision that allowed him to still go through with his Coup, while also saving the Lives of the Genii they sent to Atlantis. Showing that he doesn't see his people as expendable as Kolya or Gowen.
He also was the only one sane enough to work with Atlantis instead of against them. Under his Leadership the Genii and Atlantis became strong allies.
Well i do i need more help with that would be🎉
caption is hilarious haha
They should have been a bit quicker on the fade to white for the explosion, considering, y'know, a nuclear blast is pretty instantaneous.
I mean these are also knock off Genii nukes.
Also it's more dramatic. I think this is one time where realism takes a back seat in favor of dramatic effect
@@Xershade Yeah, everybody knows electromagnetic radiation from Genii knock-off atoms travels at a slower speed of light.
Anybody realize there is one under the capital.
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@@Ragitsu just as there was a Nuke under their capitol, so does ours.
@@daviddiehl-gy2sqGood movie?
O'Brien wouldn't live much longer on that diet.
Miles o Brian!