Why Ultralight Backpacking Doesn't Make Sense (For Most People)
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2019
- In this video I discuss ultralight backpacking, ultralight gear, and lightweight gear and why I believe it doesn't make sense for the average weekend warrior.
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Nice video & I agree with you. I try to keep a lighter load, but don't obsess over it. I am not a miles junkie, I enjoy views & love camp. Well said Dan.
Thanks a ton Kevin! You guys should all check out Kevin‘s channel! It’s awesome!
@@DanBecker - Legit video, Legit info
@A Lol. There is NO WAY you are seeing what folks going at a slower rate are seeing. A moped and a Corvette driving down the same road. One doing 15mph, one doing 80mph. They are each doing their own thing. Two very different takeaways. Your last sentence. "carry the same gear". Only, you are not. wow. To each their own. But, you comment is not reality.
@A Bruh, I have been backpacking for just over three decades. I have had numerous encounters, in camp, with UL folk. Good people. Completely different takeaways from the backcountry experience. I am not talking out of turn here. This focus on mileage. Mileage. Mileage. More mileage. (Smh) Even you. Your main response was mileage. Congratulations. Your feet have stepped approximately in the same location as mine. But, my brain engaged for a moment while yours was saying "mileage". Weight absolutely sucks. When I was a boy my friend and I nearly permanently harmed ourselves from over-packing. The opposite extreme could have the same result. I can not tell you how many times I have been in camp and a UL'er comes beeboppin in, in want of something. It is nearly always a "traditional" packer that has the item(s). (My last trip? A UL'er got into camp without FOOD. No food at all. WTF?) Otherwise, the UL'er plan is to ride out the issue until the next supply meetup. Over the years, some of the "issues" they walk out of camp with left me in awe. Then, there is the hygiene issue. Should we even get into detail here? I mean, have you read the reports related to the AT? You have been there. You must know. Granted, anyone is capable of this error. Though, most "traditional" folk are making a (lack of knowledge) mistake in sanitation. In my experience? With UL folk it is part of the plan. On at least a couple occasions, i have witnessed a UL'er explain that they are "looking forward" to their friend re-supplying them. Because, they had no socks or underwear (because, TP). They left in the morning with no socks on their feet. I mean, you were (are) a medic. Were you trained this way?? In discussion with UL'ers, this was just "life". Forget hand washing. Soap=weight. Wipes=weight. Trash=weight. Bottom line: Someone who covers 5 miles/day and stops for a period of time at any point of interest must be taking more in than someone who either does not stop or briefly pauses in order to nail that 20mile/day mark. You hike 15hrs/day? Lol. This is just humorous. What are seeing at night with your headlamp? Were you trying to have a serious counterpoint? C'mon, man. Carry the same gear? For real? You think the additional weight of "traditional" hiker is only related to the necessities? Get real. Not meaning disrespect here. But, folks are learning from sites such as this. Point/counter-point is good discussion.
@A I think you need to slow down in more aspects of life. You actually go back on your own words throughout your response. Probably due to writing faster than your brain is processing. After this response, I promise you, that you are missing some of the best parts of the backcountry and likely in life.
All that training crap, not impressive. I have rescued folks with similarly described backgrounds before. Not sure what they are doing in SERE training nowadays. Were you taught in your training that it was a good idea to take emergency ops and make it SOP? Cause, that is exactly what you are describing. You are using bleach in the backcountry? You are concerned about weight, yet you carry a liquid solution? How many gallons? You would be a joy to see entering camp. What is it you are even after by being in the woods?
Hey, also, might want to look into hyperactivity disorder issues.
Oh, hey! Congratulations on your "endowment". LMAO. Glad to hear that cold conditioning did not harm anything.
I can go all day. But, I think we summed up the two different viewpoints and personalities involved here. Safe camping.
BONUS: My favorite part-> I do not need deodorant. Lol. Hint? Not your call buddy.
Wait! What!?!? You’re advocating having a good time out on the trail as the chief reason to hike? CRAZY TALK! 😆😜🤣
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Yeah?! How am I supposed to enjoy hiking if I have to go outside instead of staying indoors and finger friends buttholes whilst comparing lighter packs!
One of the best backpacking videos I've seen on CZcams since I started the hobby. Truly hitting the nail on the head with this one Dan. Backpacking is about reconnecting with nature, with ourselves, with our friends and loved ones, and even with our ancestors. It's about challenging yourself but learning to respect your financial and physical limits. It's about understanding the balance between weight and enjoyment. Let's all keep working on finding more of that balance. ❤️
Love the final word, “our reason for being out on the trail should be less about the gear, and more about the experience!” Agree! 👍
Can’t wait for Columbus Day!!!! 🙌🙌
Until that excessive gear rips into your shoulders and ruins the entire trip. I've quit taking people for this reason.
"I was kicking myself because I cared more about weight than I did about actually enjoying the experience." Thank you! I enjoy my book, wine, etc. enough that those moments are part of what keep getting me back outside. I think there are also plenty of us who actually enjoy the process of refining our pack list little by little so that each experience is more fulfilling than the last (without breaking the bank). Good stuff, Dan Becker!
Eventually though that refining just becomes pointless circlejerking
You're telling me I can bring a second pair of underwear now??
Derek Rosenberg this made me laugh
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No! Only 1 pair! Damn it.
you bring underwear?!! (im joking, i packed too much last time i had a job where i needed to hike)
I've been preaching this to weekend warriors forever... its really about getting away from the noise of the city, life, politics, and being able to truly disconnect. Great video!
LOL Population your my hero...
Yea, but how else am I to show off to Kyle that my new MRS Featherlite stove is far lighter than his Trangia? Even though the campsite is usually right next to the parking lot?
What no politics. You guys are fanatical.
@@darylgud7601 Agreed. The woods is full of politics. I had to listen to some black bear's two hour rant about how the coyotes aren't respecting property boundaries and they're passing laws to benefit themselves literally just by their larger population.
I’m a weekend warrior and I refuse to hike and camp with out my camp chair 🤣
Camp chair every time.
HELINOX! Saved me LoL! So tired of log butt or trying to find something to sit on. I’m older now and having something to sit on and lean my back against is a God send🙏 I love your videos and have become a fan. Thank You!
I used to be so weight obsessed but now that *good* camping chairs exist in that 1lb sweet spot - I'm with you I refuse to hike without a full chair now.
Have a good time, right?!
I will say, that 1lb flexlite chair from REI is a nice thing to have. Took the recent 30% off sale to make me bite though.
Also have a 10oz stool for when I want to count ounces. Fortunately I’m short so it works lol
This made me laugh, and put me in check because I am that sucker a lot of the time. But I’m old and frail Dan, and 140 lbs. soaking wet, so I def DO need that Big Agnes Carbon Tiger Wall so that it can offset my portable EKG monitor on the trail so that I don’t die. Thankfully I got the Dyneema EKG machine, so I got those geriatric grams dialed in.
I loved this. I think it is a dangerous rabbit hole that people get into when they are more obsessed with the gear than the trip they are on or the place they are at in the moment. I think everyone can learn something from UL hikers especially when choosing what items they choose not to bring, but not everyone needs a 6oz tent and a backpack that weights 3 grams. Traditional backpacking bags and sleep systems have gotten so much lighter over the years. So bring your beer! Bring your coffee! Bring that pillow! But no, maybe you don’t need 4 pairs of pants “just in case”. Go outside and be comfortable and have fun!!!
You nailed something re: gear in your conclusion: "...you want to brag about it..." That describes a lot of people.
"I got the new suunto watch, yeah only $1,598.97"
What do you use it for?
"It tells time"
"I got this titanium-vibranium alloy cookset to replace my aluminum one, even though the campsite is just a 3 min walk from the parking lot..."
@@1Deejay7 I got the new timex expedition. Yeah, only $38.95.
What does it do?
Tells time.
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Very well said! So many people get caught up and lose track of what got them into backpacking in the first place. As you said, it's the experience, it's the location it's the wilderness, it's the solitude. why go to all the efforts to get to that wonderful beautiful place only to find yourself uncomfortable because you were trying to save weight.
As a thru hiker all the focus on base weight makes me laugh. I've never known what mine is. I just make it light so I can carry that extra beer.
I enjoy your videos very much. You are direct, entertaining, and stay on topic. You talk fast enough to not bore me with personal anecdotes. I tend to follow your recommendations because they make sense. Thanks for the great advice.
Great video! One thing I would add... the technology changes. Sleeping pads recently have gone to sub-10oz, Dynema packs, electronic devices getting smaller and lighter. What was lightweight 5 years ago isn’t now.
Cellphones are not getting any lighter and actually get heavier every year with bigger batteries and use more battery. My galaxy s4 is half the weight of my galaxy s9 and the s4 lasts 5 days on airplane mode using it for pics and GPS map. My s9 last about 2days max doing the same.
@@whoodiestyle True that's because the manufacturers need to keep convincing people (they call us ''consumers'') that we need to constantly buy new phones and follow the trend, a few years ago the trend was for ever smaller cellphones (pre-smartphones) and now they have been growing and growing to the stage where they can't fit in a normal pocket or be operated 1 handed.
I just trekked 52 miles in Havasu Falls Arizona.. if I could do it again there are definitely a few more luxury items I would have brought.
I also think for those with back or knee problems, ultralight gears give them more comfortable outdoor experience. For middle or young age adult weekend warriors, sensible gear choice would just work fine
I totally agree, Dan, that it is all about the experience. At age 72 I want to be comfortable. A few extra pounds has never ruined any of my 62 years of backpacking/fishing adventures.
Great summary, many of the ultralight backpackers add 2-5lb of camera gear (batteries, chargers, tripods, lenses etc) to film the experience for YouTub and 5+ days of food. The average weekend warrior carrying a 15lb base weight and 2-3 days of food is likely carrying less weight than many of the the "ultralight" CZcamsrs and really do not need to lighten their pack any further.
> many of the ultralight ***vloggers*** ?
Most ultralighters are not vloggers. They are not carrying that much camera gear. But of course, if your only exposure to the ultralight community is through vloggers, then you might not know the difference.
Well said!
I'm a weekend warrior but love doing big mile days and as much climbing as possible. I've spent years upgrading gear to downsize weight so i can acomplish sometimes crazy goals. Thats what i enjoy though so i guess im in the middle haha. I have light gear and love how much easier it is to hike when your pack is not 40+ lbs, but enjoy the little things since my gear is lighter and i feel i can afford a bit more weight. Good points though and as long as your having fun who cares whats on your back.
Great video! As I get older it does help to reduce the weight of my pack just to help make the distance or hike in the mountains. I try to remember that there is such a thing as " stupid light" as well. Thanks for your great channel.
We are making our first backpacking trip in mid October. We have camped before, but that was with a giant tent, taking a car filled with food and drinks and firewood.
We will be lucky to get out a few times a year, but once we have our gear straight, we can go on a moments notice. Being in Maryland we have the C&O canals, and sections of the AT that are easily accessed, along with dozens of parks with great trails and camping spots. Our first trip will involve a stationary camp site, and then taking day hikes along the C&O. We want to test out our gear to make sure it will hold up on a hike and camp situation. If anything fails our camp and hike experience, we can easily got to a plan B. I feel like this will be a way to test the waters, and see what we still need, or don't need. I may have to start up a new CZcams channel to chronicle everything. Your videos have given us a bunch of great ideas, and also have reinforced that much of what we got for backpacking is in line with the norm.
I basically read reviews, and checked the various web sites. I think everything we purchased is within the range of good stuff, and items that make sense. I can see how easy it would be to fall into the trap of spending 3 times the amount because a veteran through hiker has a certain item. We will be lucky to ever have a three night adventure as we are busy with jobs and kids let alone take months off at a time. Always great info Dan. Thank you.
When i see ultralight youtubers i always see the camera gear they take...thats 8-15lbs more...right?
I like the ending .”...more about the experience”.
The companies that manufacturer, sell ultralight gear are the ones pushing the overly costly gear. They make it seems like a joker class system, because it pressures people to upgrade and buy shit they don't need. I worked in sales for years. It's a standard sales technique.
I love your videos, Dan! Always logical, down to earth, and informative. Your summative statement is really something us weekend warrior gear junkies should always keep in perspective: Experience > Gear
Very well said Dan...as a thru hiker I really got bored of talking gear 24/7 with others. Trying to get to the root of why people visit certain places is a much more interesting conversation IMO.
Great video. I totally agree. Get your pack to a comfortable weight but don't be afraid to bring some comfort items. Pillow, food you will actually want to eat and don't forget your fishing gear. It all makes for a great experience.
Another honest video! my gear weight also depends on the type of trip I'm doing, bagging peaks, scambling, lots of elevation gain, or long miles, the weight makes all the difference, certainly not taking luxury items; real food, camp chair, thicker pad, nice pillow, and so on, those are for the more relaxed, cruisey trips and I love both!
One of the best vids you have done!!! Honest to yourself and us! Especially the last sentence explained everything which is Importanz!! Thx Dan!!! Cheers from Zurich, Switzerland
Love the video, Dan! Glad that you recognize weight isn’t everything. Enjoying the backcountry is far more important than competing to see who has the lightest pack. Awesome!!!
I started nerding out about the gear but knowing that I, unfortunately, don't do a lot of hiking stopped looking at that data too much. My tent was falling apart and it was time to invest in a new one. And a tent can last a long time so, might as well pay a bit more and get a light one.
Agreed!!!
Another great video Dan. All valid points and very well spoken. Keep up the great work!
I'm with you as a weekend warrior. I do try to go light as possible. My health isn't that great with the cancer and all. My base weight is about 12.5 lbs. Keep inspiring.
Damn that sucks, have fun out there, nature is a great healer for your mental health
I'm betting you are going to kick cancers ass!!!! Stay strong. Roger
Erobin Outdoors You’re out there while having cancer and I’m bellyaching about 100 degree temps? YOU keep inspiring sir!
your videos always rock! your honesty and just down to earth sense are what make them great. thanks for putting great consistent, honest and entertaining content out.
Great job all around. Excellent breakdown. Be happy is what it’s about, experiment, research and hike your own hike.
Yes! Finally a CZcams content creator that says this! Great video, awesome perspective, wholeheartedly agree
Dan I really enjoy your videos man! You really cover everything with such open honesty, and it's just really refreshing to hear your thoughts and opinions. I look forward to your future videos!
One of my favorite videos you’ve made. You’re so open, raw and truthful. Ever hiker should watch this video. I hike to get out and spend time with my son. That’s a better reason than any piece of UL gear out there. Thanks for putting it in perspective!
This is one of the best backpacking videos I have ever watched. Oh how I wish this video was available a couple of years ago! I feel like 20 lbs has been lifted off my back just by removing the stress of constantly dropping pack weight.
Wow Tim! I really appreciate that!
Great video! I started hiking the PCT last Spring with an expensive tent that pitches with my trekking poles... and half of the nights on trail I cowboy camped because the tent was useless. I now use an Rei 2-person dome tent that was just under $100 brand new, and I'm very happy with it. I usually don't even bother with stakes now unless I'm in an area with strong winds, and this cuts A BUNCH of hassles and the easy set-up is quite enjoyable.
Nice how you posted the new logo, or maybe it isn’t new but don’t remember seeing it on the other vids. I am an ultralighter and I have my gear dialed in but I am not a thru hiker or section hiker. I will be the first to admit I bring a luxury item at times and it makes me happy on the trail. My gear mentality doesn’t work for most and i get that, I am also into cheap gear when I can but sometimes patience and biting the bullet to buy those big ticket items just has to happen. I backpack a lot through warm weather on the east coast and some fall, spring too. But you are right, gear weight isn’t in most weekend warriors mind or budget. Guess it’s all on how much you are into it. Simply enjoy the trip and getting into the Woods is by far the most important part of this.
My pack is 3 ounces and I hiked the Appalachian Trail in a week doing 500 miles a day. I don't remember what I saw, but I got my certificate!
Great video, nicely put together and I totally agree. I have a buddy who is a thru hiker and he doesn't even like to go bare bones. Most of us have families and job restrictions, so like you say, we live vicariously through the ones who can take off and thru hike.
Super great informations and yep! I try to go lighter but it's not for everyone. Also, ultralight is so expensive. Good video to think about all of this.
Take care
I really appreciate this video. It really put things in perspective. Thank you so much for the time and thoughtfulness you put into this video.
I feel pretty much the same ........I have always been a bit of a pack mule , if I want it for the trip I take it . I grin and bare it ! And love it ! Good breakdown on the different hikers ! Fellow weekend warrior here !
It's Good in the Woods me too!!!!
Great video Dan! I'll watch weight, but my chair!!!! I'm taking my chair!!!! 😄 I fiddled around with "weight worry" for a while, and finally said heck with it. There are a few things that I just like to have along. Like--my chair!!! But seriously, my hiking and backpacking became much more enjoyable when I stopped being a mile junky. Sometimes my WOW meter goes off at 2-3 miles, and that's where I stop. May be the scenery, the wildlife, that perfect little site. Or, maybe it's because at 68, that's as far as I want to go.🤠 The fun factor increases that way. Take it easy. Oh, love the new logo, Roger
RkF my chair is definitely a must when I’m out 😂 This ultralight nonsense doesn’t allow for comfort at all 🤷🏻♀️
@@LexKaiNix Yes!!! A fellow chair fan!👍👊 No, it's never made sense to me. They like to brag about it, while they're freezing from a sudden snow storm, or drenched from a down pour, but their pack is light. Me? I like stuff!😄
RkF agreed 😂 I have one of those fold up mat-seat things for kneeling on when I’m cooking or the ground’s wet too... bit much maybe 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t care lol
@@LexKaiNix That's funny---- I have the same thing. 🤣 And, there are times that I will even throw in my "nook-book", in case I want to read for a while. It's all about being comfy!! As long as I'm comfy, I'm happy. If I ain't happy, it's a long day!!! If somebody don't like it, just keep on walking.😁🚶♂️
Loved it!👍You’re right on every point and there are more to add.
Walking is free but walking with a goal is different. It costs. The longer it takes the more it costs so buying big ticket gear is only worth it if you bought the time to use it beforehand. Just like the cab driver who uses a Tesla.
After doing a little math I sold my expensive big three and rethought my needs for weekend hiking. I inspired myself from Grayson Cobb’s attempt at thru hiking with a hydration pack that he adapted for setting speed records. Look it up, he’s got a tube. Rather drastic but efficient.
Now I have a miniature pack stuffed with adapted stuff hanging next to the door for less than I got from selling my B3.
The best description of different hikingstyles and relevant needs for each of them. One of your absolutely best videos!
Great advice Dan. I like to bring different things on different trips. Depending on environment and weather. I’m definitely no ultralight backpacker but I also can keep it under 30lbs with food and water. Great video Dan and some great tips.
Thanks Jason!
This video is spot on. Ultralight backpacking has its place for sure but for me I'm mostly the weekend end warrior and am fully capable to carry the additional weight for the shorter trips that I do. Thanks for sharing.
Great video again Dan. I like to see UL kits. They give great ideas. Twenty +years ago my backpack load out was around 45#. Today I am around 25#. That’s fuel and food and water. So great tips and for the weekend warrior like me that’s an improvement and a doable pack wt.
Excellent points about various types of backpackers, you nailed it. I'm going on my first ever solo hike this Saturday and I'm trying to keep the weight down as best as I can, but I'm 55 yrs old and not giving up some luxuries.
Hey Dan,
Thank You so much for sharing your thoughts on this topic!
. . . It is such a breath of fresh air to learn how many people who are of similar mindset regarding ultralight hiking, yet so few people have been discussing viewpoints like yours.
-And I say, nice job!😀
Agree they are valid points and worth talking about. As a weekend warrior and maybe 4-12 nights out every year it make no sense to buy too expensive gear. But I admit, just bought the ULA Circuit, having a new quilt on the way... I like research, browsing and trying out new stuff. Like tomorrow, instead of taking the car 30km to a friends party, I start walking the day before and make an overnighter by my self out in the woods just for fun and for the opportunity to be out :) Lighweight or not, may bring some beer!
Wow! On point! I haven’t even went on my first hike yet, and was obsessing about weight. Training for Ozark Trails in 2020 and section hike AT in 2021. Thanks for bringing me back down to earth.
I love that you point out it's more about enjoying your time than having certain gear or being ultralight!
Snap!!! Hit that nail right on again!
Weekend times five family members. We go for as light as possible to keep up.
We really appreciate all the gear videos to research what might work for us best because (1) we save money avoiding stuff with quirky ways that they work and (2) we can invest in items that fit our comfort concerns and (3) cause it is fun to laugh or imagine some of the choices that work for others where they would never work for us... both on the heavier or the lighter side of things. Like you say gear is a really personal choice!
And definitely our adventures to hike in vastly different locations during these precious opportunities makes a huge impact on gear choices too.
So far everyone wants to go again! Steps to take and sights to see after earning the view. Worth it!
Expense is definitely a big issue!
I was actually contemplating spending over £100 for a “light weight” jacket that would have saved less than a pound of weight over my comfy thermal (also packable) jacket I got for £30... I must have been insane!
Thanks for a good, honest , evaluation... Over compensation, and over estimation are something that all to many of us are guilty of.... A good video clearly and concisely presented ... Cheers.
Coincidently I was just figuring that out from my last hike this weekend. I technically just started backpacking the outdoors and through alot of research, for a bit, I was obsessing over super lightweight equipment. After this weekend I realised that I dont need to obsess over that, but to get the lightest, affordable equipment I can find to continue backpacking more, and sooner.
I'm a weekend backpacker who regularly carries a backpack weight for a thru hike. However, its almost EVERY weekend, including the winter when snowshoes, spikes, and multiple layers are required. When I take on something that is challenging to my fitness level, I drop weight where I can... including my own weight. If I know I'm going to thrash myself on a planned trip in a month, I'll adjust my diet to drop from 215 to 205, because in many cases that is the cheapest and easiest way to increase my success. Experience, or having your gear 'dialed-in', is more important than whether you have the latest or greatest retail offering. Of course I see hikers when the weather is nice who have the latest and greatest, and it looks like they clipped the tags that morning. Worse than that are the people who get in trouble because they didn't have important personal safety items in order to hike light. I remind myself that they are looking to succeed just like me, and might not have time under the pack that I do. I take for granted sometimes that I spent my early professional life as light infantry in the Marines and then the Army, where I regularly spent weeks in the field living out of a pack, and attended two different mountain-warfare schools.
My lesson is this: gear obsession and weight snobbery is sometimes insecurity about relative experience, and our hobby is dominated by niche outfitters trying to survive in a retail world populated by fewer and fewer 'lifestyle' hikers. Dan is on-point with his commentary about his journey. In the U.S. we live in an advertising and retail saturated culture, but somewhere in the Andes is a farmer herding some Llama and Alpaca making your little nature walk look like child's play, and doing it with kit that didn't cost what to him is more than a year's wages. So pack what you need or want, and get out there and have a safe and comfortable adventure. Fun is the goal.
Semper Fi.
@@rkf2746 Semper Fi!
This is the best response. 👍🏻. Hike your hike, nothing’s better than experience.
Wow! Speaking to me at the core. My son's, daughter's, and I get out every chance we can, which is not often enough. Every time we love experimenting with new and different gear, which almost always rotates around what we're plan to cook while what we're out there. And, just like you said i would love to get ultra light gear, but i just can't justify buying it for the level of backpacking that we do. Excellent video. Thanks
John G. Rachal
Thanks Dan. Once again, great points. I enjoy your views on the hobby we enjoy.
Spot on, Dan. The drive for UL doesn't make sense for everyone and it depends on the objective. I've hosted a few PCT thru-hikers at my house and the majority of them are carrying what I carry for a weekend backpack. Some of them have lightweight versions of gear I use, lighter packs or tents or sleeping gear, but it's roughly the same gear. And I upgrade my old gear to lighter weight whenever possible and when it makes sense.
The big difference is half of my trips are for the Forest Service or the PCTA, so I'm carrying extra weight in tools: 5 pounds of radio and extra batteries; a couple of pounds of group first aid kit; pounds of restocking permits or returning permit stubs; socket wrenches, long-handled loppers, folding saws, hand whichever and cables, etc.; eventually it gets heavy and needs a carrier to match the gear.
That said, if I can keep the basic gear under 15 pounds, then I can handle another 10 pounds of tools, 8 pounds of food and water, and 8-10 pounds of safety gear. And still get 10-15 miles a day with 2,000' climbs. It's that mix of sensible UL that makes the difference.
I do the same thing, i lighten my gear to be able to take more gear like fishing rod, slingshot or just more food.
I agree.
One thing I dont hear discussed often is how age plays a part in gear selection. It would be interesting to see what transitions hikers go through when they hit their 50s, 60s etc. Im 63 and I have to reduce weight to have a better backing experience.
knees, breathing etc. Just a thought. Thanks for your insight.
Moonwalker Mike
Mike Mullins I totally get where you’re coming from. I’ll be 63 in a couple of weeks and have some fairly severe health issues. I’m 5’3” tall and weigh 93 pounds which further reduces my ability to carry much weight. I’ve found my own balance by investing in a lot of ultralight gear so I can add on my must have luxury items (like my Helinox Chair One) that make my backpacking experiences phenomenal. I’m on the trail to enjoy nature not pound out miles. We older people are a different bunch than the more typical hikers I believe Dan is trying to reach out to. He’s correct, however, in challenging people to quit obsessing over UL gear and just enjoy the experience.
Watch the videos from Flatbrokeontheat. He has good insites.
@@nalonabrato8900 Thank you Nalona. Im down to 13lbs base weight but it took alot of cheap gear mistakes to realize you get what you pay for in ul gear. So far my most budget piece of gear is Advil.
@@baysword Thank you sir ill check him out.
Mike Mullins 😂 I rely on Tylenol Arthritis.
Great conversation! I consider myself LIGHT but not ULTRALIGHT. When I first started backpacking (there weren't YT videos) but I read a lot of blogs that talked about UL backpacking. And I got caught up in it a little bit. I remember people talking about cutting the tags (the ones that are stitched in) off everything you have. I mean, sure, you don't need the tags, so cut them off if you think about it. But I don't even think/care about it hahahaha LET ME CARRY MY NALGENES AND MY JETBOIL, PEOPLE.
😂 lol 😉With ya 100 % 👍, Gotta have the Exped sleepmat, MSR windburner , mini binoculars, and my pulse oximeter.
@@trailheart1863 hahaha! Carry those mini binoculars all you want! lol
Bang on mate .
I love getting or at least looking at the latest new bit of gear same as the next guy.
However everyone has to walk their own path so they can enjoy the great outdoors and for me that is what it’s all about above kit or miles walked
Happy trails guys
Absolutely nailed this one Dan - Even though you have the opportunity to get out every 4-6 weeks, you're viewing the challenge from the weekend warrior (2-3 times a year - if that!) point of view. Precisely why I subscribe to your videos. Keep up the great work!
Right on! No need to be a gear snob! I mean an Ultralight backpacker. It’s about the journey not the gear. Keep the videos rolling Dan!
I think that a person's system needs to be relevant to their goals. If your goal is to walk a great distance, sleep, then get up and walk a great distance again, then you will want a system that is geared toward walking and therefore you will want a lower pack weight. If your goal is to walk a shorter distance and then spend a bunch of time at camp, then you will want to have a system to be comfortable at camp. That will mean things like extra cookware, camp chairs, beer, etc. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Even if you are a "weekend warrior" that only gets out on maybe three trips a year, it's ok to go light if your goal is to cover distance. Plan and pack for your trip goal.
I personally like covering more terrain so I pack light so that I can walk 10-15 miles before settling in. I hike solo, so I don't need or even want a fancy camp. Most times I don't make fires. I hike all day, eat, sleep, and then get up and hike all day. It's what I enjoy.
Same here
Spot in. I hike slow to enjoy the view. U like stopping for lunch, sitting in my chair, and watching others push on. If I go 4 mikes or 14 it's because my happy meter took me that far. Hiking is supposed to fun and somewhat comfortable. When it's not comfortable because you cut out carrying something that makes the hike more enjoyable then the experience is weakened.
Chip Kormas
Same here dude. The guys I hike with are all about making good time, it tickles me. My favorite part is the “we’ve gotta see the views” excuse they use as they sprint past all the scenery along the way.
When I hike I’ve cleared my schedule, I have nowhere pressing to be. I’d rather take my time and enjoy an 8-10 mile day than push for 15-20.
I am a weekend warrior. I finally got around to weighing all my budget gear. I am sitting at 20 lb. Not too bad.
What do you eat ? Pumpkin seeds and drink 3 drops of water per day ? Come on now lol. My water alone is 7 lbs for a weekend... What do you drink ? Don't you use water for dehydrated meals ... To drink .. etc ???? 🧐🤔
@@esc8722 You do realize the gear weight people reference is BEFORE food and water? Calm yourself. Peace be unto you.
You brought up a lot of good points , especially about getting the gear dialed in , That is a mission impossible item. Gear is constantly changing , a persons hiking changes , life is always changing , some good , some bad , only bad if you let it be bad. Think how boring it would be without any changes. I hike and camp and I do not get in a hurry. I go during the week and NOT on a weekend , being retired has it's benefits. For me the trip is what I enjoy and the reason to be out there. The destination is nothing more then the end of the fun. Ultra light is also a contributing factor due to a weight restriction. Yep , the fickled finger of fate wagged it's finger at me in 1993 , or was it the Cardiologists ? Even by going ultralight I have comfort items since comfort is just as important as the light pack. I would list my category as a Weekday Trail Wandering Boomerang since I always return to the starting point.
Yes! This! Backpacking / hiking for me IS about the experience and challenging myself physically and mentally along the way. My gear is secondary but important for comfort and safety.
Very interesting statistics from your poll, I have never thought about that regarding my audience. Also, I'm very excited to see your channel's growth, good job Dan!
I am going more lightweight than luxury. I have dragged so much crap with me that I never used. Using ultralight principles to get me lighter, but still bring cooking and great food capability.
I have slogged up the trail with an 8 lb tent, heavy leather boots, and a full frame pack that weighed 4 lbs empty. I can still feel the pain. Wish to hell the new gear was available back then. Having said that, getting out is more important than anything.
The expensive stuff is worth it if you can afford it.
I think we are in violent agreement!
I started watching so many videos about packing for through hiking..problem is ...I'm a overnight or multiple day hiker..your correct..definitely different. Glad someone can help clear this up for me and others
I believe that ul-gear can also be super useful for weekend warriors. IMO it depends much more on the distance you want to walk everyday. If I'm walking 10-15km (metric system, hell yeah!) I can totally get away with more weight because I'm walking 5 hours at most.
But if I want to do 100km on a weekend I'll watch for every tiny gram. Because in contrast to the 10-15km hikes, I'll fall asleep as soon as I stop walkong.
I get the feeling that many people think, that once they start UL hiking, they have to do it for the rest of their lifes. And if they stop UL than GOD FORBID THEY EVER PACK LITE AGAIN!!
Americans are allowed to use kilometres but you're expected to call them "klicks". ;-)
Ultralight has its benefits no doubt, and makes even short hikes better. There’s a balance you’ve gotta find though, unless you’re the type that just loves to have the greatest and best stuff.
Spending an extra $100 to shave an ounce is a bit ridiculous though.
@@blakew5672 amen
@@darthkek1953 call them "kays" when in Australia
Stop being in my head so much! Haha, this video was perfect for what I've been feeling. I know I won't get to ultralight, so it's good to hear it's not really worth the time and money for the majority. I def would like to get lighter and dialed in, but it's good to know all the variables that have overwhelmed me trying to figure out is a normal part of the process, and I need to just enjoy it. Great video!
Dan the 'Everyman Hiker'.. LOVE your channel man.
I buy ultralight gear so that I can bring the luxury items and still have a light pack. Yes it's expensive and it can be little more delicate but for me it's worth it.
Definitely truth to that! 🙌🙌👍🏼👍🏼
Amen brother, I'm a weekend warrior. Like you I love the outdoors but also some luxury. I carry a chair (like you), because I want to enjoy the experience! Cheers Dan!
The biggest concern with Ultralight setups is whether people are carrying the gear for unfortunate circumstances - bad weather, injury, etc. I do over half my hiking in the back country and wilderness. It is very unforgiving when stuff happens. A trip just last week we had moderate rain on the last night. My friend's almost new tent from a reputable manufacturer leaked and they had pooling in the tent. Thank god earlier in the trip we sheltered in Rock bivvies, else it could have been a very misreable trip with wet sleeping bags each night.
You are a great resource on hiking and gear. Your passions shows and I'm super grateful to you.
I do weekend backpacking 2-3 times a month. I put comfort over light weight. I just got fitter to compensate for that. Saved money for more trips, got fitter - double win. Thank you for the video. I love your channel.
BEER!!! Every trip is better for it!
I am not surprised at the Poll Results, people need to take 15 minutes out and be very objective about what they really need.....
Thats why I bring two bladders, a water bladder and a dedicated alcoholic bladder. For beer on the go. Lol
Thanks for this! The majority of my trips have been weekend warrior.On our base camp trips we carried large pots and fresh fruit and veg to prepare tasty meals and it was worth it! I have some light items but would not consider myself ultralight. My pack is currently the Osprey Aura AG 65.I will be hiking the PCT next spring and have been having an internal struggle about upgrading some pieces to UL. Mainly my pack and shelter. I don't know that Dyneema is worth the $$$ and I worry about losing comfort by upgrading my pack. Trying to be sensible and not caught up in the hype.
@@emmasanders5971 I'm familiar with Mary. Her pack is actually the Osprey Eja and weighs half the weight of an Aura.I agree she is doing fantastic!
Hey Dan! Great video, love the last message about why are we out there. I get so tired of hearing about the over priced Zpacks/dyneema gear, and people seem to preach that it is a must have in order to go backpacking. Keep up the great videos.
I prefer wise-light (WL) to Ultralight (UL) backpacking. Having a comfortable 1 pound chair is well worth the extra weight. It makes the backpacking experience that much more enjoyable. I like to hike 10 to 15 miles a day, so I have some time to enjoy my natural surroundings, so I want to be lightweight still. I also like to photograph and video the beauty of the backcountry, so some camera equipment weight goes into base weight. It's worth the extra weight as long as I am reasonable with what camera equipment I bring.
Just made me think. The last couple times I’ve been out, I’ve hardly paid attention to my surroundings. I’ve been all about the gear (and I’m slowly coming to the realization that I’m most likely never going to do a thru hike; at least not of the big 3) and I’ve literally short changed myself being focused on the wrong thoughts. This video puts things back into a more realistic image. Thanks man.
Great video! I find myself getting into the same trap with climbing/mountaineering gear, good reminder to not be so focused on weight that we get distracted from other priorities that make it enjoyable! (i.e. that summit beer)
Dan - I'm hitting the subscribe button ... I appreciate the honest reviews and your hiking style seems to fit mine to the T. Happy Trails.
Dan, my wife and I are canoe trippers. This is most certainly not a light weight activity, but we have found adopting some light weight backpacking principles has benefited us greatly. After all, hauling boat and gear along portage trails is basically backpacking over shorter distances. Given that a canoe puts 50 lbs on top of regular carry components, weight savings can mean the difference between 2 vs 3 carries on a long portage trail. That said, being outside of backpacking, having a specific 'weight goal in mind' was never in the cards for us. Simply following 'bring what you need' principles and upgrading gear from heavy to moderate to light weight options has served us well. For example, a lightweight dyneema tent replacing the traditional dome tent shaved pounds of weight and volume in our carry kits. Our clothes barrel was replaced with a z-packs arc-haul carried used with an inner dry bag. This is probably an extreme case but with the new pack I can now double carry the clothes bag with the food barrel or camera bag saving an entire portage back trip. Anyhow, I agree with your surmise that we should focus on the trip experience and not the weight of the carry system. I'm guilty of bring way too much camera gear but photography is part of my trip goals. Ultimately we are all looking for that optimum in comfort which helps the experience balanced against expense for gear upgrades and replacements. Thanks for continuing to produce your high quality videos. Ken
I think there's a lot to learn from UL packers, as long as you remind yourself often why you go out there. For me, I definitely took a lot from the UL community, but only the parts that make sense for me. I love my boots, I love my 3.5 pound backpack, I love my slightly heavier sleeping bag and foods! I also love my sub 2 pound tent, my light rain coat, my UL cook system!
Finally some seasoned common sense. What is the point of going to great locations if you don't enjoy a good properly cooked meal in the end of the day. Or your fresh brewed coffee or cold beer.
It still doesn't mean that a few tricks to save weight aren't useful.
It also make sense to get some more durable things that weight a bit more.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this video. Me personally I have aspects of my set up that would be considered ultra lite. Then other parts that just aren't. I would love to do a through hike but for most it just isn't realistic. Great video. Cant wait for the next one.
Even though you'll probably get some backlash for saying it isn't all about the least weight carried I say thank you for bringing reality back to hiking. I cant afford to purchase a new pack and gear for each hike because they are so light they wear out fast. My Mystery Ranch may be heavy but I know it won't fail when I am miles into the wilds.
How do you like your Mystery Ranch? I've been a Gregory fan for years, but have only recently learned of the Mystery Ranch, and really like what I see and read. Just haven't talked to anyone who is actually using one. Just saw your comment and wanted to ask. Thanks! Stay safe. Roger
@@rkf2746 Its an extremely well made pack. I have the Ravine and it's very comfortable. The one issue I have is the side pockets for water bottles is just out of reach for me. It's not a big deal and my guess is that I'm not as limber anymore - of course my girth can't have anything to do with it. :)
If I sand the paint off from my fuel canister I can lighten my load! lol, Great video Dan, love your channel!
I like to drill holes in mine, makes it WAY lighter but it sure does smell
For me, I try so save weight on every gear that is necessary like tent, sleeping bag, jackets, shoe, etc, without taking away from performance. And I do that to compensate for the luxury itens i like to take with me.
For example, I love knives, so I take 3 with me (bugout, leatherman wave+ and opinel). Do I need 3? No. But I like taking then with me. And to try and compansate that extra weight I try to save weigth with other ultralight gear.
And it also depends on where you're going! I'm heading to South Sweden in February, and you bet I'm bringing a big knife and maybe even a saw! There's wind shelters at the end of every section, with long logs that you can saw your own fire wood from for their fireplace!
This is great Dan. You got to the point of it, at so many levels!! Spot on!