wentz has never been good lmao. bro only had 1 season with BARELY more than 4k yards. the superbowl they won was on foles. wentz is on par with alex smith. just look at stats man. oh yea, and the 2017-18 eagles had the best defense in the league, had 2 top 10 Rbs, ridiculous receiving core, plus a top 3 oline. wentz only managed 3,300 yards. wentz is mid.
It’s terrible. Carson Wentz legitimately looked like the next great QB in the NFL. The man threw the ball on the money every time and had great mobility. What I see now is just shocking
He threw for 4,000 yards once in his career in 2019. He had a very good year the year he got hurt but his throwing motion led to high passes on occasion which lead to INT often. He had very little if any chance to be in same class as say Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Burrow. Maybe he could have been fringe top 10 but his fragile ego and his injury history says he never hits top status as he is about to be cut by Commanders
That's actually false. In 2018 Wentz was on pace for like 32 TDs if you just average out his stats before injury. That means he came back the same. And on top of that, he had a practice squad around him in 2019 and still threw over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs which is more than Brett Favre's career average lol. But Favre did it with good players around him, not a practice squad. After that record-breaking season, Howie drafted a QB instead of getting help for Wentz. Then Wentz was a top 10 QB in Indy with only Pittman to throw to. Then in 2022 Wentz was named a team captain and was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs thru the 1st 5 games before breaking his finger in game 6. Wentz really didn't have much of a drop off. His teams were either just garbage after 2017, or his other injuries prevented him from finishing seasons. That's basically it
If you look at statistics, it doesn't tell the whole truth. Wentz was more confident utilizing his legs before injury. He had seem to lose confidence and made more bone-headed plays after injury. You're absolutely right about the practice squad Wr's. I still remember the names of Travis Fulgam and Greg Ward. The offensive line was also in bad shape so wentz had to deal with that too. I think a combination of Foles statue, Hurts being drafted, and injuries played a role in Wentz play on the field. Before the ACL tore, Wentz was top 5 in my opinion. Wentz still could ball after the injury but I think he loss some athleticism or confidence to run as much which led too more sacks and him second guessing his reads..... I got Love for Wentz though. I always wish that man well and appreciative of his contributions to Eagles winning the Bowl in 17'
@seanpeacejohn889 That's partially true but not fully. You're right that stats don't always show the full story, and in this case they don't show just how good Wentz was even after injury. I personally tore all 4 ligaments in my foot playing pick-up basketball years ago. It took like 8 months to heal and then another 4-5 to months before I trusted myself to run and cut on my foot again. There's a mental trauma that needs to heal and it's different for everyone. Next, Wentz didn't lose confidence as he still ran, just not as much. Instead, he made a business decision to not put himself back in harms way. If you look at Wentz after injury, he was on pace for 32 TDs in 2018 AFTER the ACL but before his 2018 injury. He was still good. In 2019 he took that practice squad to the playoffs. In 2021 Wentz was a top 10 QB despite missing his #1 WR for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games. In 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs before he broke his finger in game 6. So I'm not seeing where Wentz had confidence issues. If you compare Wentz's bone head plays to other QBs, we would see that Wentz actually has way fewer of them, but they get spotlighted much more. When was the last time that the media told you Brett Favre AVERAGED like 16 INTs per season thru his entire career? Never. And Wentz never threw 16 INTs in any season yet. When was the last time the media told you that Peyton Manning AVERAGED 20 INTs thru his first 5 seasons while averaging fewer TDs than a healthy Carson Wentz? Never. Why? Because the media loves to hate Wentz more. Now let's look at the situations Wentz had around him... 2017 he had a worse team that the 2022 and 2023 Philly teams and he played better than Hurts. In 2018 Wentz had injuries to some of his offensive players and he was still on pace for 32 TDs before injury. In 2019 we already knew he had a practice squad and still posted the 11th best QB season In 2020 he had the same practice squad but he wanted out of Philly because his GM drafted a QB in the same year that Wentz posted 27 TDs and only 7 INTs and made the playoffs with a practice squad. In 2021 Wentz was missing TY Hiltom for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games and Quinton Nelson for like 5 games I think too. All he had was Taylor (who took reps away from Wentz) and Pittman. That's about it. And Wentz STILL posted top 10 stats. Then in 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and and TDs thru game 5 despite having the worst offensive line in the NFL. I believe Wentz was sacked as much as Shedeur Sanders...let that sink in. So looking at the situations, Wentz has always been good. He has just always had a bad situation around him after like 2017 or 2018
More the shitty fanbase and ownership of Oakland over anything else. Carr is above average. Playing for the Raiders and some his performances have made him a meme. I used to call him Honda to my ex girlfriend who was a raiders fan. ( Should’ve been the only red flag I needed) Gonna be hilarious when he looks good in NO.
This is what I tell people all the time. I'm a Skins fan and I said the same thing about RG3. Injuries can change you forever. Pre injury RG3 was an unstoppable, dominant player. People say that he wasn't a pure pocket passer and it showed because he was garbage when he couldn't run but that's not true. I challenge anyone to watching pre injury RG3 throw as a rookie before the injury. He was having Brady, Brees type of accuracy that year. Literally every throw was on the money, in perfect stride, in the perfect spot, and a bullet. When he came back from injury, a guy could be wide open and every time they would have to jump for it, dive for it, etc. His whole mechanics were off and accuracy went down 80%. It had nothing to do with reading defenses and being a pocket passer. He just couldn't even throw anymore after that injury
How dare you compare Carson to RG3. Carson still playing at a high level. RG3 could never be a pocket passer. F*ck this dude. How you know he and Carson weren't at odds. He definitely doesn't sound like his friend. I've heard otherwise from other players
I'm an Eagles fan and I always compare the Wentz injury to the RG3 injury.. Same exact injury, only the Redskins rushed RG3 back for playoffs and COMPLETELY ruined what should've been a HOF career
You're right except anyone who understands football knew RG3 was gonna get hurt. The NFL still doesn't want to accept it, but it's a fact. Tua gone, Fields gone next year ect ect.
eagles fan here, seeing him before and after the injury hurt so badly. a lot of people were saying he was a future HoF guy, and if he kept it up he for sure would of been. nick foles may have finished it, but without carson we never get to that game. actually, the first jersey i ever had was his. i hope he can turn it around, or worst comes to worst, retire and live a good life, as he definitely has the money for it. maybe become an analyst or coach. i’ll always remember him by that 2017 year
I'm and Eagles fan from North Dakota since the 90's, so I'm biased, but he's one of my favorite players, and I hope he can return to his 2017 self, even if it's with another team.
I say the same for Jimmy G before his injury he would run around make improvised plays and looked incredible. Ever since that injury he changed his style
Yeah he been through a lot man. I never blame wentz. I just feel bad for him. But he’s got my support as a human being, one who is going through some real shit with his body and mind trying to stay healthy enough to play the sport he’s worked so hard at for so long. He was the fing MVP candidate. It had to be very tough
I 100% agree. I’ve been watching the eagles my whole sports watching life and Carson was just as special as Randall was. The injury flatlined his career and it was sad to see.
as an eagles fan i’ve always been a fan of wentz and will defend him all the time, people forget that he was the lock for mvp before that injury and he stayed in to throw a td the play after he tore his acl in a game that gave us the division title, 2 years later he led the eagles to a division title while becoming the first player in history to throw for 4,000 yards without a wr going over 500, he was special but this injury on top of the ones he sustained later changed him as a player
Carson Wentz goes around to community churches with his food trucks and gives away free food to anyone who comes by. He did this here in Indianapolis. Met him & he seemed like a genuinely good dude. Things didn't work out here but i wish him the best.
I agree. I thought that the mobile QB thing was starting to wane a bit when they were all getting hurt. Seems like the league still wants it. We've got two hurt QBs playing in the SB.
I can't remember, but it was a big deal in the locker room. I think he was playing the blaming game and they said he was uncoachable. Plus they were having to baby him and cater to him towards the end since he wound up getting paid. But once you lose the locker room as a quarterback, it's over. I'd say the same for Russell Wilson too, until they recently hired Sean Peyton, one of the only guys that might be able to dig Russell out of his hole.
Based off what I've gathered. He felt insecure about Foles starting while he was out and Sproles checked him telling him he wasn't bigger than the team. He wouldn't communicate much with the defense players. He stopped listening to coaches at times and did what he wanted.
It was reported that he wasn’t running the plays he was asked to either. Lots of little things that point to him having too high an opinion of himself.
Very accurate explanation. Carson was a big dude who wasn't afraid to get hit. His likeability issues aside, had Carson had a less aggressive style, he would have had a longer, more productive career. A sad story indeed.
I knew the moment it happened, he would never be the same. Just devastating..he was the best player in the league that year and they don't win the superbowl without him.
@@soar011belize And they were wrong. The team around Wentz was way better - hence why Foles took over & played EVEN BETTER in the playoffs. Brady was far more valuable for his team.
@@TruthDissident i agree with you im just stating what I remember about that year Wentz was leading in touchdowns and all the sports analysts had him leading the mvp race
@@TruthDissident He actually was and it's not particularly close.. It took Brady the last game of the year to surpass Wentz in TD passes. Wentz wins the MVP easily had he not gone down in the first week of December.
I remember watching him and Goff few years in college before they got drafted and man they were both warriors deep balls abd dropping dimes, even tho he was drafted by the eagles I rooted for him, like Goff, in college and few years thru the league. I feel for wentz
Carson Wentz in 2017 was a beast. He was making Mahomes plays on the regular. Im not an Eagles fan but I saw Wentz once get hit and fall down and as he was an inch from hitting the ground he launched the ball 65 yards it was insane.
@@jacklarue7049yep. Had the Roethlisberger endurance to take a hit while staying completely locked on target like a Mahomes. He was a human highlight reel
Yeah, money-wise there might not be a difference, but having a Superbowl ring when never playing a single snap is different than winning it when you're playing.
Yea, I think his brain is not right. Sometimes it takes just one hit. You should check out the documentary about the Swedish kicker in that got a head injury during a game. His wife said he died the day he got injured. Because he was a completely different person afterwards. He even couldn’t be with his children, they lost their dad as well. The brain is a sensitive thing. Tough to be a football player. It can one hit or multiple impacts over years, but the brain will be damaged one way or another, with different effects. You can already see those who have been in the league for a while, their memory is usually not where it should be for their age.
💯💯 word ✊🏾🤔 Chris! It’s like his pocket awareness and ability to extend plays that he had in 17 never came back. It’s like he gets frozen by the rush now
Wentz was a killer in 17. Looked like the next great qb had arrived. Same thing with RG3 when he got hurt. SLIDE. Just slide. Always and every time. Don’t even run if you’re not gonna slide. From a Cowboy fan.
Its slightly edited. Chris Long has been very open about Carson's personality on other podcasts. Specifically that he wasn't available as a teammate, stubborn, etc, but that him and Malcolm Jenkins never thought he was an a-hole. He briefly touches on it (without getting back into it) and that's what they edit out
Even Sproles said stuff like that. He was just withdrawn and quiet. Angry that he couldn’t help the team and they won without him but Sproles said “yo it’s ok. Be happy your team won” and Wentz opened up after that.
I saw Wentz take some crazy hits, juke people, etc he was insane in 2017. When he was on, he was on. There was a heated debate between him and Dak when they were both rookies, but by midseason 2017 the debate was over, and tbh if he hadnt got injured he'd be a top 5 QB easy
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I will say he was going to be the next great one PHYSICALLY but MENTALLY he was leagues behind, rendering whatever greatness he had a moot point. He wouldn’t listen to coaches and thought he had everything figured out.. he can claim he’s a real Christian but a real Christian wouldn’t let EGO dictate his future
He rushed back in 2018 cause he saw Foles taking over the team. Beat the falcons opening night with Foles as defending champ. But as soon as they lost week 2 to the Bucs it gave them the reason to go back to Carson. That was a tough season which Foles had to save to get us into the playoffs again
It's not a swipe at you but the phrase analysts spawned, "stay healthy," is an odd concept because he doesn't fall Ill from bad lifestyle or get sick he got injured when other men were out to cause him harm. I hear them say so and so can't stay healthy then compare to a player who has never suffered a big injury which is nothing but a false equivalent
@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 there’s definitely a big part that is out of the players control, but some players do in fact have durability issues. Whether it’s genetics, play style, lack of proper nutrition and preparation, or just bad luck, it’s a factor in scouting players.
I tore all 4 ligaments in my ankle playing basketball. It took me like 8 months to heal physically. And then another 4 months to work past the mental trauma just to trust it enough to cut on my ankle again while running. The mental healing is harder than the physical healing. But Wentz came back pretty solid for what happened to him
Wentz was so fast and mobile that MVP year..... He is so slow now... That is the issue... When he was mobile he was more of a threat to the opposing defense...
Sadly the same as RG3, and a plethora of other players. They were dynamic, then got hurt. The counterpoint is, its why guys like Jimmy G will have long careers. He's been hurt a lot, but he doesn't use his legs much, and gets rid of the ball pretty quick.
The game got to get back to its roots. Surviving Wasn't supposed to be part of it. Surviving it was a attribute like speed.. F*** the concussions. We need full go football. Glory has a Consequence. Getting hurt and having prolonged effects is part of the game.
Thank u for clearing that up that early Wentz was crazy good the injury jus snowballed other injuries he never gav up on plays n that also was issue at end
As a man who tore his ACL at 24 my motion and movement haven't ever been the same. I know what that feels like. Some of us never comeback from something like that. I did mma. It altered my life forever.
He was scapegoated. Took them to the #1 seed got injured. Next year took a team of practice squad members to another playoff game. Universally hated. Should’ve stayed a bird. We would’ve had a dynasty.
Wentz can make a legit comeback if he can ride out this low period while also continuing to work his way back to the player he started out as. Until he does, he'll be exactly what people say he is. He still has to prove himself if he wants to succeed
Dawg, he can't just reach that level again with "hard work." Injuries like that change a player forever, was literally the point of the video. Just the fact that he was able to start at all after what he went through meant he has "proven himself"
Went from a potential MVP winner that season to never reaching those heights ever again he was so fun to watch that one season though sucks most fans have peanut brains and never played a sport growing up and don’t understand injuries let alone injuries when you’re at the professional level 😂😂😂 like a roller ankle in high school is nothing you should still ball out but if you’re in the nfl or something like that I can see a bum ankle really making a difference when everyone around you is as good if not better than you
Just look at Derick Rose before his injury and after. Completely different. Wentz just got all his mobility taken away then tried to rush back when he should have never played in 2018. Feel bad for the guy
I don’t know about Nick running the offense better.. Wentz was going crazy before the injury. I’ll always root for Wentz but I don’t think he’ll ever be the same again. It was the perfect storm of bad events on top of poor team management from Howie while he was here. Hope he can find that success again before he hangs it up.
We to was the MVP front runner so it’s sad to see what happened. Also Andrew Luck, RG3, Josh Freeman as well their bodies just did not hold up and it’s fun to think what the NFL would have been like with those guys.
I do believe this I thought Joe Burrow was never going to be the same the first half of his season coming back from his knee then as it went along you can tell he recovered it he was still good don't get wrong but 75-80% of what he is now
10000000000000% man came back completely different. Man was playing like he was fighting for his career and we didn’t know it. The hero ball shit was him trying to regain his form before the injury and it never happened. Carson probably playing with a broken heart now. 😔
If the Jevon Clowney hit that ended Carson’s wentz career when he hit him in the spine, and Carson Wentz sat out the rest of the game. He was never the same since then.
Injuries DO functionally and mentally change people and not only in the NFL just most people have never been through that we talking abt injuries 6-8 months of rehab losing your spot losing your job losing what you thought was you identity some people kant take that.
Playing QB is still dangerous as hell. Big fukers tryin to kill you, ESPECIALLY when you scramble/run like Wentz did on that play. It definitely fuked his career
I can’t think of a QB that had a devastating lower body injury came back and was “that dude” Wentz, Bridgewater, Alex Smith, RGIII as soon I heard ACL I remover thinking “that it he’s done”
Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Devin Bush, and the list goes on. It’s just sad to see a potential future hall of famer become a mid back up because of an injury.
The issues were always there. Even in 2017 held the ball too long, couldn't throw with anticipation, thinks he can make every squeeze throw, never takes the check down. The 2017 was just good enough to cover his flaws. After that he never improved injury 2018 he was alright but it was a steady decline. No favors were done sending him to Waahington though
This is the closest I've heard to somebody on the 17 team say definitively that "Carson has a personality that doesn't work in the NFL" and "Nick ran the offense better." Foles didn't, though. He just runs red hot and ice cold. Everybody in Philly knew that before he went in. He started ICE COLD, but finished Tom Brady on fire hot. Foles, my dude, you have the best timing! Fuckin' love that guy.
It really is weird that people call Wentz trash now, or some people like Joy Taylor saying she “never saw anything in him,” when he was a beast. Like he was tearing it up and then had an injury we all agree fundamentally alters a player, not just a QB’s, ability forever, and then we pretend this man was never good, pretend this man’s play to get them to 11-2 after he left the game but he gave them the lead wasn’t what got them home field in the playoffs that year and the #1 seed, because he was nasty that *second* year. Only second year and was tearing it up. Bullshit.
Yeah its sad 3 qbs that were never remotely the same after they got injured are Wentz, RG3 and Carr all three were having mvp type seasons and then one injury and boom they didn’t feel invincible anymore
I love Jalen Hurts but I gotta be honest, Wentz had me on the edge of my seat every play. Every high school player at the time started wearing the shooter sleeves because Wentz was the biggest thing in football that year. Sad he was only a one season wonder. Also sad everyone has such a short term memory they don’t remember how insane he was to watch.
Uou nailed it. I'm 40 years as a fan and the only time in my life where I thought the best player in the NFL that year was the Quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles.
wentz was a dawg in 2017... hes never been the same
Cam Newton was also a dawg...until he got his bell rung and he didn't want to play anymore.
@@legessiwhat in the fuck does this have to do with anything?😂
@@averyhofmann5612 it's about people getting injured and not playing the same anymore.
@@legessi I think he’s slow
wentz has never been good lmao. bro only had 1 season with BARELY more than 4k yards. the superbowl they won was on foles. wentz is on par with alex smith. just look at stats man. oh yea, and the 2017-18 eagles had the best defense in the league, had 2 top 10 Rbs, ridiculous receiving core, plus a top 3 oline. wentz only managed 3,300 yards. wentz is mid.
It’s terrible. Carson Wentz legitimately looked like the next great QB in the NFL. The man threw the ball on the money every time and had great mobility. What I see now is just shocking
He threw for 4,000 yards once in his career in 2019. He had a very good year the year he got hurt but his throwing motion led to high passes on occasion which lead to INT often. He had very little if any chance to be in same class as say Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Burrow. Maybe he could have been fringe top 10 but his fragile ego and his injury history says he never hits top status as he is about to be cut by Commanders
Dead athletes don't lie
We were what 10-1 or 11-1 when he got injured? I remember watching the 2017 season and we were rolling through teams up till his injury
@@kyle6781 I thought you guys were undefeated but could be wrong
@@chadchelo I could be wrong g as well.. I know we were first place
100% agree. He never came back the same
Wow true
That's actually false. In 2018 Wentz was on pace for like 32 TDs if you just average out his stats before injury. That means he came back the same.
And on top of that, he had a practice squad around him in 2019 and still threw over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs which is more than Brett Favre's career average lol. But Favre did it with good players around him, not a practice squad.
After that record-breaking season, Howie drafted a QB instead of getting help for Wentz. Then Wentz was a top 10 QB in Indy with only Pittman to throw to.
Then in 2022 Wentz was named a team captain and was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs thru the 1st 5 games before breaking his finger in game 6.
Wentz really didn't have much of a drop off. His teams were either just garbage after 2017, or his other injuries prevented him from finishing seasons. That's basically it
If you look at statistics, it doesn't tell the whole truth. Wentz was more confident utilizing his legs before injury. He had seem to lose confidence and made more bone-headed plays after injury. You're absolutely right about the practice squad Wr's. I still remember the names of Travis Fulgam and Greg Ward. The offensive line was also in bad shape so wentz had to deal with that too. I think a combination of Foles statue, Hurts being drafted, and injuries played a role in Wentz play on the field. Before the ACL tore, Wentz was top 5 in my opinion. Wentz still could ball after the injury but I think he loss some athleticism or confidence to run as much which led too more sacks and him second guessing his reads..... I got Love for Wentz though. I always wish that man well and appreciative of his contributions to Eagles winning the Bowl in 17'
@seanpeacejohn889 That's partially true but not fully. You're right that stats don't always show the full story, and in this case they don't show just how good Wentz was even after injury.
I personally tore all 4 ligaments in my foot playing pick-up basketball years ago. It took like 8 months to heal and then another 4-5 to months before I trusted myself to run and cut on my foot again. There's a mental trauma that needs to heal and it's different for everyone.
Next, Wentz didn't lose confidence as he still ran, just not as much. Instead, he made a business decision to not put himself back in harms way.
If you look at Wentz after injury, he was on pace for 32 TDs in 2018 AFTER the ACL but before his 2018 injury. He was still good.
In 2019 he took that practice squad to the playoffs.
In 2021 Wentz was a top 10 QB despite missing his #1 WR for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games.
In 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs before he broke his finger in game 6.
So I'm not seeing where Wentz had confidence issues.
If you compare Wentz's bone head plays to other QBs, we would see that Wentz actually has way fewer of them, but they get spotlighted much more. When was the last time that the media told you Brett Favre AVERAGED like 16 INTs per season thru his entire career? Never. And Wentz never threw 16 INTs in any season yet. When was the last time the media told you that Peyton Manning AVERAGED 20 INTs thru his first 5 seasons while averaging fewer TDs than a healthy Carson Wentz? Never. Why? Because the media loves to hate Wentz more.
Now let's look at the situations Wentz had around him...
2017 he had a worse team that the 2022 and 2023 Philly teams and he played better than Hurts.
In 2018 Wentz had injuries to some of his offensive players and he was still on pace for 32 TDs before injury.
In 2019 we already knew he had a practice squad and still posted the 11th best QB season
In 2020 he had the same practice squad but he wanted out of Philly because his GM drafted a QB in the same year that Wentz posted 27 TDs and only 7 INTs and made the playoffs with a practice squad.
In 2021 Wentz was missing TY Hiltom for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games and Quinton Nelson for like 5 games I think too. All he had was Taylor (who took reps away from Wentz) and Pittman. That's about it. And Wentz STILL posted top 10 stats.
Then in 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and and TDs thru game 5 despite having the worst offensive line in the NFL. I believe Wentz was sacked as much as Shedeur Sanders...let that sink in.
So looking at the situations, Wentz has always been good. He has just always had a bad situation around him after like 2017 or 2018
Broken leg in 2016 changed D.Carr
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@@boriswhittaker2813 what is funny? Like be real what’s funny g
Maybe but he did have a very good year 2021. I’m just glad he’s leavin a toxic/dysfunctional spot
@@irishwins4576you big mad huh
More the shitty fanbase and ownership of Oakland over anything else. Carr is above average. Playing for the Raiders and some his performances have made him a meme. I used to call him Honda to my ex girlfriend who was a raiders fan. ( Should’ve been the only red flag I needed) Gonna be hilarious when he looks good in NO.
People forget how good prime Carson Wentz was. He was Josh Allen before Josh Allen.
Big facts
No he wasn’t. Allen is a much better runner and has a much stronger arm
@@reppinglthata debatable, plus Carson is a million times more athletic than allen
@@reppinglCarson is more athletic than Allen
He was grear
maan i’ll forever scream he deserves the mvp in 17
Jesus that hit at full speed 😵
This is what I tell people all the time. I'm a Skins fan and I said the same thing about RG3. Injuries can change you forever. Pre injury RG3 was an unstoppable, dominant player. People say that he wasn't a pure pocket passer and it showed because he was garbage when he couldn't run but that's not true.
I challenge anyone to watching pre injury RG3 throw as a rookie before the injury. He was having Brady, Brees type of accuracy that year. Literally every throw was on the money, in perfect stride, in the perfect spot, and a bullet.
When he came back from injury, a guy could be wide open and every time they would have to jump for it, dive for it, etc. His whole mechanics were off and accuracy went down 80%. It had nothing to do with reading defenses and being a pocket passer. He just couldn't even throw anymore after that injury
How dare you compare Carson to RG3. Carson still playing at a high level. RG3 could never be a pocket passer. F*ck this dude. How you know he and Carson weren't at odds. He definitely doesn't sound like his friend. I've heard otherwise from other players
I'm an Eagles fan and I always compare the Wentz injury to the RG3 injury.. Same exact injury, only the Redskins rushed RG3 back for playoffs and COMPLETELY ruined what should've been a HOF career
Too bad he couldn't figure out how to slide properly.
You're right except anyone who understands football knew RG3 was gonna get hurt. The NFL still doesn't want to accept it, but it's a fact. Tua gone, Fields gone next year ect ect.
Another eagles fan here… your absolutely correct.
eagles fan here, seeing him before and after the injury hurt so badly. a lot of people were saying he was a future HoF guy, and if he kept it up he for sure would of been. nick foles may have finished it, but without carson we never get to that game. actually, the first jersey i ever had was his. i hope he can turn it around, or worst comes to worst, retire and live a good life, as he definitely has the money for it. maybe become an analyst or coach. i’ll always remember him by that 2017 year
I'm and Eagles fan from North Dakota since the 90's, so I'm biased, but he's one of my favorite players, and I hope he can return to his 2017 self, even if it's with another team.
I hurt my back lifting 3 years ago and it still hurts to tie my shoes, I couldn’t even fathom having to scramble and run from Aaron Donald lol
Dead athletes don't lie
Yeah wow wtf w9w
I say the same for Jimmy G before his injury he would run around make improvised plays and looked incredible. Ever since that injury he changed his style
Chris Long insights are enjoyable to listen too.
Yeah he been through a lot man. I never blame wentz. I just feel bad for him. But he’s got my support as a human being, one who is going through some real shit with his body and mind trying to stay healthy enough to play the sport he’s worked so hard at for so long. He was the fing MVP candidate. It had to be very tough
As a diehard Eagles fan I can say Wentz was HOF status before the injury
I 100% agree. I’ve been watching the eagles my whole sports watching life and Carson was just as special as Randall was. The injury flatlined his career and it was sad to see.
I'm an Birds fan and will never say anything bad about him. Without his play that year their not going all the way.
Same... I Don't think we helped him enough like Hurts... He didn't have as good of protection or receivers...
@@tavo3234 diffrence between him and hurts is the locker room stuff and character. Hurts is someone the team loves. Wentz...not at all
as an eagles fan i’ve always been a fan of wentz and will defend him all the time, people forget that he was the lock for mvp before that injury and he stayed in to throw a td the play after he tore his acl in a game that gave us the division title, 2 years later he led the eagles to a division title while becoming the first player in history to throw for 4,000 yards without a wr going over 500, he was special but this injury on top of the ones he sustained later changed him as a player
That first camera angle of Carson looks brutal. It almost looks sped up right when the impact occurred
Carson Wentz goes around to community churches with his food trucks and gives away free food to anyone who comes by. He did this here in Indianapolis. Met him & he seemed like a genuinely good dude. Things didn't work out here but i wish him the best.
I’ve been sayin this for years and my friends always looked at me like I was crazy. Now I send them this and they have no words.
For a whole year I referred to my home state as Wentzylvania 😂😂 those were good times 😂
Not to mention that pain that memory of it. You dont ever wanna experience that again it gets stuck in your mind. That gets to some people.
So freaking true, different being before that injury. But it’s sooo much more mental than anything.
Any and every time a qb takes off and runs can be a career ender.
I agree. I thought that the mobile QB thing was starting to wane a bit when they were all getting hurt. Seems like the league still wants it. We've got two hurt QBs playing in the SB.
Would also really love to hear more about the personality stuff with Wentz
yea what did he mean by that? i know hes a quiet, reserved guy but i havent heard anything bad like that
I can't remember, but it was a big deal in the locker room. I think he was playing the blaming game and they said he was uncoachable. Plus they were having to baby him and cater to him towards the end since he wound up getting paid. But once you lose the locker room as a quarterback, it's over. I'd say the same for Russell Wilson too, until they recently hired Sean Peyton, one of the only guys that might be able to dig Russell out of his hole.
Based off what I've gathered. He felt insecure about Foles starting while he was out and Sproles checked him telling him he wasn't bigger than the team. He wouldn't communicate much with the defense players. He stopped listening to coaches at times and did what he wanted.
It was reported that he wasn’t running the plays he was asked to either. Lots of little things that point to him having too high an opinion of himself.
@@shadowlee02 if Sproles had to check him you know he was off base.
Very accurate explanation. Carson was a big dude who wasn't afraid to get hit. His likeability issues aside, had Carson had a less aggressive style, he would have had a longer, more productive career. A sad story indeed.
I knew the moment it happened, he would never be the same. Just devastating..he was the best player in the league that year and they don't win the superbowl without him.
No he actually wasn't the best. Brady was.
@@TruthDissidentnope with the way Wentz was playing before he got injured everyone had him as mvp
@@soar011belize And they were wrong. The team around Wentz was way better - hence why Foles took over & played EVEN BETTER in the playoffs. Brady was far more valuable for his team.
@@TruthDissident i agree with you im just stating what I remember about that year Wentz was leading in touchdowns and all the sports analysts had him leading the mvp race
@@TruthDissident He actually was and it's not particularly close.. It took Brady the last game of the year to surpass Wentz in TD passes. Wentz wins the MVP easily had he not gone down in the first week of December.
I remember watching him and Goff few years in college before they got drafted and man they were both warriors deep balls abd dropping dimes, even tho he was drafted by the eagles I rooted for him, like Goff, in college and few years thru the league. I feel for wentz
Carson Wentz in 2017 was a beast. He was making Mahomes plays on the regular. Im not an Eagles fan but I saw Wentz once get hit and fall down and as he was an inch from hitting the ground he launched the ball 65 yards it was insane.
Mahomes plays on a regular 😂 lol 😂 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🎓🎓🎓🎓🎓
Down the right sideline, I remember that like it was yesterday. Merrill Reese was freakin out 😆, that was a hell of a year
@@keithdior1657 you clearly didn’t watch much of ‘17 wentz in his prime before injuiry
@@jacklarue7049yep. Had the Roethlisberger endurance to take a hit while staying completely locked on target like a Mahomes. He was a human highlight reel
@@jDiddyiComplete lies dude had a nice arm but nowhere near Pat's level lol
That leg injury was seriously brutal. I met him back in august and he was one of the nicest players I’ve met. I hope he’s doing alright.
Sad truth, he'll be alright he has a SB ring and millions of dollars. Maybe he'll get it back but Heineke is the commander QB.
Yeah, money-wise there might not be a difference, but having a Superbowl ring when never playing a single snap is different than winning it when you're playing.
The guy tore his knee up and broke his back in the span of like 12 months, most humans would spend the rest of their lives rehabbing that
Feel bad for wentz, he had so much potential early on
He was still so important to that magical 2017 season
Antonio Brown comes to mind. Seems his personality changed quite a bit after that hit from Burfect in the playoff game. I think in 2017.
Yea, I think his brain is not right. Sometimes it takes just one hit.
You should check out the documentary about the Swedish kicker in that got a head injury during a game.
His wife said he died the day he got injured. Because he was a completely different person afterwards. He even couldn’t be with his children, they lost their dad as well.
The brain is a sensitive thing. Tough to be a football player. It can one hit or multiple impacts over years, but the brain will be damaged one way or another, with different effects.
You can already see those who have been in the league for a while, their memory is usually not where it should be for their age.
Yeah sure seems that way to me to
💯💯 word ✊🏾🤔 Chris! It’s like his pocket awareness and ability to extend plays that he had in 17 never came back. It’s like he gets frozen by the rush now
He saw what I saw.
It wasn't so much the injury itself, but more the fact he tried to return way too soon.
So true. I remember Chuck Foreman for the Vikings taking a vicious hit and after that he would go into the line back first.
That’s so true even since Russell finger injury
Wentz was a killer in 17.
Looked like the next great qb had arrived. Same thing with RG3 when he got hurt.
SLIDE. Just slide. Always and every time. Don’t even run if you’re not gonna slide.
From a Cowboy fan.
It’s crazy how many players you think of that would be dawgs if they weren’t plagued with injuries..so much potential we all missed out on 😢
I’m surprised he said that some of the reported personality issues were real.
Video is also conveniently edited at that exact part…
Its slightly edited. Chris Long has been very open about Carson's personality on other podcasts. Specifically that he wasn't available as a teammate, stubborn, etc, but that him and Malcolm Jenkins never thought he was an a-hole. He briefly touches on it (without getting back into it) and that's what they edit out
I mean is it hard to believe? They said he wasnt an outgoing guy and stubborn.
Even Sproles said stuff like that. He was just withdrawn and quiet. Angry that he couldn’t help the team and they won without him but Sproles said “yo it’s ok. Be happy your team won” and Wentz opened up after that.
I saw Wentz take some crazy hits, juke people, etc he was insane in 2017. When he was on, he was on. There was a heated debate between him and Dak when they were both rookies, but by midseason 2017 the debate was over, and tbh if he hadnt got injured he'd be a top 5 QB easy
I think he has a future in football, like as a coach. Could definitely see him as a QB coach at the college level
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I will say he was going to be the next great one PHYSICALLY but MENTALLY he was leagues behind, rendering whatever greatness he had a moot point. He wouldn’t listen to coaches and thought he had everything figured out.. he can claim he’s a real Christian but a real Christian wouldn’t let EGO dictate his future
Over the years I’ve actually known many real Christians who also had real ego problems 😂
He rushed back in 2018 cause he saw Foles taking over the team. Beat the falcons opening night with Foles as defending champ. But as soon as they lost week 2 to the Bucs it gave them the reason to go back to Carson. That was a tough season which Foles had to save to get us into the playoffs again
I broke the bone between my middle finger and wrist on my throwing hand in baseball and it was never the same I feel this pain it sucks
would’ve won mvp if he stayed healthy
It's not a swipe at you but the phrase analysts spawned, "stay healthy," is an odd concept because he doesn't fall Ill from bad lifestyle or get sick he got injured when other men were out to cause him harm. I hear them say so and so can't stay healthy then compare to a player who has never suffered a big injury which is nothing but a false equivalent
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And a SB
@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 there’s definitely a big part that is out of the players control, but some players do in fact have durability issues. Whether it’s genetics, play style, lack of proper nutrition and preparation, or just bad luck, it’s a factor in scouting players.
I tore all 4 ligaments in my ankle playing basketball. It took me like 8 months to heal physically. And then another 4 months to work past the mental trauma just to trust it enough to cut on my ankle again while running. The mental healing is harder than the physical healing. But Wentz came back pretty solid for what happened to him
Chris Long should know, he delivers those hits.
Events generally changes someone
Wentz was so fast and mobile that MVP year..... He is so slow now... That is the issue... When he was mobile he was more of a threat to the opposing defense...
Dawg that hit was serious geesh!
ACL tears are no joke. Partial rupture in both and even now almost 13 years later I still have issues.
Hurt his whole career including college.. 2017 was his mvp year
Thanks , I agree.
Sadly the same as RG3, and a plethora of other players. They were dynamic, then got hurt.
The counterpoint is, its why guys like Jimmy G will have long careers. He's been hurt a lot, but he doesn't use his legs much, and gets rid of the ball pretty quick.
The game got to get back to its roots. Surviving Wasn't supposed to be part of it. Surviving it was a attribute like speed..
F*** the concussions. We need full go football. Glory has a Consequence. Getting hurt and having prolonged effects is part of the game.
Thank u for clearing that up that early Wentz was crazy good the injury jus snowballed other injuries he never gav up on plays n that also was issue at end
Which is why Purdy needs to take his TIME
As a man who tore his ACL at 24 my motion and movement haven't ever been the same. I know what that feels like. Some of us never comeback from something like that. I did mma. It altered my life forever.
He was scapegoated. Took them to the #1 seed got injured. Next year took a team of practice squad members to another playoff game. Universally hated. Should’ve stayed a bird. We would’ve had a dynasty.
Wentz can make a legit comeback if he can ride out this low period while also continuing to work his way back to the player he started out as. Until he does, he'll be exactly what people say he is. He still has to prove himself if he wants to succeed
Dawg, he can't just reach that level again with "hard work." Injuries like that change a player forever, was literally the point of the video. Just the fact that he was able to start at all after what he went through meant he has "proven himself"
Went from a potential MVP winner that season to never reaching those heights ever again he was so fun to watch that one season though sucks most fans have peanut brains and never played a sport growing up and don’t understand injuries let alone injuries when you’re at the professional level 😂😂😂 like a roller ankle in high school is nothing you should still ball out but if you’re in the nfl or something like that I can see a bum ankle really making a difference when everyone around you is as good if not better than you
Tough QB. He and Foles are champions!!
I was surprised to find out he creates drama everywhere he goes...coaches dont want a cancer on the team...smh
Ya it said amoung players that he is a bad teammate in the locker room .
Like that Vuori hat...
Just look at Derick Rose before his injury and after. Completely different. Wentz just got all his mobility taken away then tried to rush back when he should have never played in 2018. Feel bad for the guy
I think the back injury a few months later was what really killed his potential HOF career
I don’t know about Nick running the offense better.. Wentz was going crazy before the injury. I’ll always root for Wentz but I don’t think he’ll ever be the same again. It was the perfect storm of bad events on top of poor team management from Howie while he was here. Hope he can find that success again before he hangs it up.
Very true
We to was the MVP front runner so it’s sad to see what happened. Also Andrew Luck, RG3, Josh Freeman as well their bodies just did not hold up and it’s fun to think what the NFL would have been like with those guys.
I do believe this I thought Joe Burrow was never going to be the same the first half of his season coming back from his knee then as it went along you can tell he recovered it he was still good don't get wrong but 75-80% of what he is now
10000000000000% man came back completely different. Man was playing like he was fighting for his career and we didn’t know it. The hero ball shit was him trying to regain his form before the injury and it never happened. Carson probably playing with a broken heart now. 😔
People shit on Wentz. Philly fans have no business trashing him if they do, disgraceful.
Absolutely
They’re Philly fans though. All they know how to do is philly
I'm from Philly and we don't trash him. We respect that he got us to the playoffs. Foles just finished the job is all. We still love Wentz tho
If the Jevon Clowney hit that ended Carson’s wentz career when he hit him in the spine, and Carson Wentz sat out the rest of the game. He was never the same since then.
Why did they speed up the hit in the video to make it look worse
That is so true, I believe that what happened to Jimmy G. He seemed to have changed his game after he got hurt.
Yeah soo true Ginger Jesus was unstable until that play. And his style of play. He never sled or ran out of bounds
Trubisky was a probowler and then he changed his game after a few injuries
Injuries DO functionally and mentally change people and not only in the NFL just most people have never been through that we talking abt injuries 6-8 months of rehab losing your spot losing your job losing what you thought was you identity some people kant take that.
Someone finally said it right
Lotta words....lotta worgs
Injuries can ruin your confidence and the Domino affect is real
Playing QB is still dangerous as hell. Big fukers tryin to kill you, ESPECIALLY when you scramble/run like Wentz did on that play. It definitely fuked his career
Same happened to Derek Carr. Was never even close to the same after injury.
I can’t think of a QB that had a devastating lower body injury came back and was “that dude” Wentz, Bridgewater, Alex Smith, RGIII as soon I heard ACL I remover thinking “that it he’s done”
Joe Burrow?
@@chief9634 good one. I forget him because it was his rookie season. He may be the exception to the rule. 👍🏾
Tom Brady
McNabb
I hate Brady but the mofo came back after a tear
Worded everything correctly wat if the media wasn't so devilish we would get takes like this jus real football
Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Devin Bush, and the list goes on. It’s just sad to see a potential future hall of famer become a mid back up because of an injury.
Carson Palmer same way never same really after his knee injury. One good year with Cards that's it though.
That rookie year u couldn’t tell me Wentz wasn’t going to b a top level QB in this league
The issues were always there. Even in 2017 held the ball too long, couldn't throw with anticipation, thinks he can make every squeeze throw, never takes the check down. The 2017 was just good enough to cover his flaws. After that he never improved injury 2018 he was alright but it was a steady decline. No favors were done sending him to Waahington though
This is the closest I've heard to somebody on the 17 team say definitively that "Carson has a personality that doesn't work in the NFL" and "Nick ran the offense better." Foles didn't, though. He just runs red hot and ice cold. Everybody in Philly knew that before he went in. He started ICE COLD, but finished Tom Brady on fire hot. Foles, my dude, you have the best timing! Fuckin' love that guy.
It really is weird that people call Wentz trash now, or some people like Joy Taylor saying she “never saw anything in him,” when he was a beast. Like he was tearing it up and then had an injury we all agree fundamentally alters a player, not just a QB’s, ability forever, and then we pretend this man was never good, pretend this man’s play to get them to 11-2 after he left the game but he gave them the lead wasn’t what got them home field in the playoffs that year and the #1 seed, because he was nasty that *second* year. Only second year and was tearing it up. Bullshit.
Yeah its sad 3 qbs that were never remotely the same after they got injured are Wentz, RG3 and Carr all three were having mvp type seasons and then one injury and boom they didn’t feel invincible anymore
I love Jalen Hurts but I gotta be honest, Wentz had me on the edge of my seat every play. Every high school player at the time started wearing the shooter sleeves because Wentz was the biggest thing in football that year. Sad he was only a one season wonder. Also sad everyone has such a short term memory they don’t remember how insane he was to watch.
Uou nailed it. I'm 40 years as a fan and the only time in my life where I thought the best player in the NFL that year was the Quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Kyle Murray👀
Agree
Hate to see how things turned out for Carson on the field…but shit at least he made that money 💰💰😂😂😂