Ardwulf's Guide to Counter Clipping
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Wulf, as a closet non-clipper you have set me free. Being a relatively new war gamer, I've never quite understood the whole clipping thing - how you were supposed to do it. I've now discarded the chains of ignorance and I remain your humble servant. Cheers.
Love my 2.5 Oregon laminations deluxe... thousands punched over the past several years ans going strong. Works great on all sizes.
Just fill the handle with a 2 part epoxy like JB Weld and it will never break...like, ever. I had one handle "crack" almost 2 years ago, but the JB Weld continues to this day to hold it all together.
I have a deluxe 2mm one from Oregon Laminations, and I bought a second one in case the one I have breaks, but so far so good! My first one is still going strong. I use the silicone based lubricant Derek Case suggested in his product review, only I try to lubricate any and all friction surfaces. Fingers crossed my first one holds out, but I have a backup in place and ready to go! If both of my deluxe ones break, I'll go with the standard ones. Center nibs! Nail clippers! I feel stupid for not thinking about nail clippers for center nibs! Is it nib or nub... I don't know...if I asked a non war gamer that; they'd report me to the mental health authorities. 😐
Great video!
I like to think of them as "center wangs."
I'm impressed you've decided to tackle the counter clipping topic, AND am gobsmacked that you have so many different models. I've been using my trusty 2mm heavy duty model since 2013 (keeping it tight!). I chose 2mm in case I sell or trade the game. They can clip more if they want, but can't take it back if it's too much for them. The spring has broken twice, but I continue to use it without it. I prefer the upside down method, and agree it's very zen. My wife (who just doesn't understand this at all) threatens every next Christmas gift to be stacks of meaningless cardboard for me to clip. I might break down and buy a 2.5mm... YOU, however, have gone the extra clipping mile, bro! BTW, I like to clip the "center piece" side nibs with a straight toenail clipper.
I myself just bought the 2mm deluxe recently. It came with scotch tape over those 2 holes, but I replaced with better tape. That’s one way to deal with that. The other thing I hear is to not “Gorilla grip and Squeeze” too hard on the down punch. So we’ll see if that works. I was thinking about getting a 2.5mm. I may try the standard one. Not sure yet. Wanted to say though, Always buy these direct from Oregon Laminators...... always cheaper than Amazon! Like almost $20 cheaper!!
Thanks for the video, Ardfluff! 😁. Dan Panchorios says Hi 😝
Measuring the width of the wooden handle (at 5:35) with a counter was such a war gamer pro move! Appreciated that you're using counters instead of bananas (the other internet favored tool of measurement).
Good video. I am also in the non-deluxe side of preference. I want something that will last and work every time. I saw too many people complaining about the deluxe version breaking on them. Thus, I never purchased a deluxe and went straight to the non-deluxe, super durable version. I definitely don't clip everything, but what I do clip looks real nice now! It took only one game with nail clippers to convince me to get a dedicated corner rounder.
Had a second Deluxe cutter break, and switched over to the all-metal version to avoid plastic fatigue. Thanks for this video -- I ran into the same alignment issues you went through here, and it was good to know the cutter wasn't broken, just required a little more careful technique.
I’ve always used the deluxe but now have ordered the standard 2mm. Also I like tight corners
Thanks for the great tips. Got my deluxe clipper two weeks ago and will try to keep it in good shape. These are not so easy got get her in Germany.
This guide is so excellent I had to subscribe. Oregon Laminations has them on sale so I got both the 2 and the 2.5 heavy duty.
Thanks for all the info!
lol, little stop signs...BTW I use the 2mm non-deluxe one. I like it very much.
Thx for the detailed review. I’ll choose the regular over the deluxe version.
Cover the whole plate (with the 2 hex bolt holes) with smooth plastic packing tape so the counters don’t catch on them
Super helpful, my deluxe just broke. I'm going to order the standard and try the oak solution for the deluxe. Much appreciated, this was perfect. :)
My Deluxe cutter broke after about six months of heavy use (as you'd noted), but I simply sent Oregon Lam a pic of the break, and they sent out a replacement. I'm still a Hexasim fan tho... :-)
My deluxe standing the test so far but been careful with it. Is funny how you talk about this issue with technical detail, is almost as similar as to miniatures and cast flash in the figures :D The pains of the hobbies.
how about this for a suggestion.... game companies pre-punch the counters out of the counter sleeves and punch them with rounded corners... I know most people don't want to actually get into the 21st century but isn't it time for wargamers and war game companies to evolve? We discussed this on my last live steam and I will continue to push for change. Do we really need to do things like we did back in the 70's and 80's?
I don't disagree and I think that pre-rounding is slowly becoming the new standard, but for larger games, or games from smaller publishers, it's probably uneconomical. You can fit something like half as many pre-rounded counters on a single sheet.
I hate when the nibs are in the middle of the counter. The corners I can easily remove for a perfect counter. The center nibs are almost impossible to remove nicely since they usually encroach on the face of the counter leaving an unsightly blemish.
Great overview! Thank you very much!
I broke my 2.5 mm deluxe version. I replaced it with another 2.5 but I have my doubts about it. I use it sparingly. Obviously you are using more force when you are cutting more of the counter. I have not had a problem with my 2 mm deluxe, although I do keep a spare. Great video and very informative.
I've heard that the deluxe ones don't last as long as the standard tools
Thanks, great guidance.
Christ. I’m so glad I didn’t opt to pay the extra for the “deluxe” model.
I use the “spin with index finger” no-thumb technique and have gotten very fast.
dang. I got one and dunno what size it is even. I stupidly thought it was standard size and one size for all chits.
Thanks!
Admittedly I really don't want to go down the route of buying two clippers, especially at £55 each but from what I've seen of the results, there is definitely a distinct difference when applying the different cut radius to different sized counters.
Yes, but like I say, if you get only one, get the 2.5mm, it's the most versatile.
I am getting my first counter clipper tomorrow, the deluxe model shown here. I realize it's two years later, but a reviewer of the deluxe model suggested the following: "The tool when the handles were squeezed made contact on various areas that if I had continued would have broken the tool. I removed the tape covering the two adjustment screws and adjusted the tool so that it cut cleanly without any improper contact. It now works very well and I have no fear that the toll might break." I am not sure if he was referring to screws under the tape or some other parts. I wonder if you might shed some light on this. Thanks for the suggestion to put something in the handle.
Most of my games nowadays are either 9/16 or 5/8 hence wanting the 2.5 mm clippers. As I recall, you were unboxing Flying Colors with the latest thickest GMT brown core counters & you were wondering if your clippers would work on these. Any updates on that?
Thanks so much for this video & any help you may offer
I supposes it's possible for the cutting plates to be misaligned, although I haven't seen that with any of the 6 or so I've handled. However, I have had to remove the plates on both of mine to eliminate burrs around the screw holes using fine sandpaper. I do not re-apply tape afterwards; some folks cover the whole plate in slick packing tape.
The Deluxe will fit anybody's counters short of maybe Battleline's; only question is whether it'll break. Definitely try the die inside the handle.
I have seen pictures and videos of people with clippers that had dice glued inside the handle of the deluxe clipper to keep it healthy for longer, but of course now that I have one, I can't find an example. Does it matter how big the dice are or where they are placed, as long as the full cutting thickness remains available?
I love the oak handle, but my woodworking days are behind me. I couldn't possibly cut something like that to a very close tolerance.
Unless it is a really, really big die, it won't be too big. But just use one die, not two like I did.
@@ardwulfslair On the top or bottom handle? Or does it matter?
Really doesn't matter. But space it out before cementing it in. The goal it to make it just short of closing all the way.
Something I was coincidentally thinking about earlier is why publishers don't just produce rounded counters? Is it a commercial decision or a process issue. I know some games do come with rounded counters as is.
Some publishers do, at least for some games, and it is slowly becoming the standard. But for larger games it can be come uneconomical.
It's a large waste of material on larger games so far.
I find that GMT's deluxe (brown core) chits don't fit well in the standard model. And the standard model is horribly inconsistent if I don't pay attention.
Mine fits them fine - in the 2mm. In the 3mm they have problems. Like I mention, the production tolerances on the tool is so wide that they come in right at the edge.
Wargaming is 60% counter clipping, 20% rules reading and 2% game playing.
I have spent far, far more hours playing OCS than clipping counters for it.
I could only find a 2mm rounder - that will have to do
OH MY GOD, DUDE! I literally just recorded my own video on the same subject! Did you happen the watch the same video I did where the guy massacred his counters? Sorry for the duplication, but I'm covering similar content in my latest!
LOL, can't wait to watch it!
My deluxe model just snapped after about 3 months of use. Sent OL an email with a picture. I ruined a few of my games experimenting with nail clippers :/
Update, OL sent me a replacement!
Clip my counters... Why would I want to do that?!? ;)
Just received a 3mm standard model. Used it to "Round" about 40 ASL counters. Meh, not impressed. At least 1 in 4 cuts is really crappy, sometimes 2 or even 3 cuts on a counter. Cuts an angle, not round. For the price I certainly had higher expectations of accuracy.
I take it you got the standard model. I do emphasize the need to get the hang of these, and the trick of running it upside down so you can see whether the counter is aligned correctly. I'm most of the way through War in Europe (3600 counters), and haven't had a single muscle, but admittedly I've been using this clipper for years.
@@ardwulfslair Yes, the standard. Yes, I have since learned to turn it upside down and use it as you suggest. Works. But still kinda bogus to have to do that to get an accurate cut (Opinion). Thanks.
An 18 minute stream of consciousness video ugh
That's not what this is. Please pay attention.