LoraWAN: Extremely long range, low power wireless communication
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2017
- Hardware by matchx.io/
Video by / marcoreps
LoRa ESP32 Module 433 MHz: bit.ly/2E25vf5
LoRa ESP32 Module 868 Mhz: bit.ly/2QkWuPo
In this video I am installing and testing out new products by matchx.io/ They are supposed to connect LoRa compatible IoT devices with an incredible range AND low power consumption.
[spoiler]And they do![/spoiler] - Věda a technologie
This is brilliant. Love the dry humor and the technical depth.
So basically, what you're saying is, essentially, this is superior to all Australian broadband?
Screw the NBN, never works.
Its been around for last 3 years
I feel like I can out do Australian broadband by using my 4G hotspot function.
@@theblackhundreds7124 You most likely can. My prior internet connection in a metro capital city was 7 down. I did not miss a zero. 7. I am now on NBN with 25 down. Metro, Capital city.
Carrier pigeon might be better, no joke
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm
Hi Marco. I have just discovered your videos - which are FASCINATING! The way you dismantle electronic devices and improve them is inspiring. Thank you for demystifying electronics for me!
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Angry LED today, Skynet tomorrow.
31 years as an EE, and I’ve never heard anyone use the term “Angry LED”. Starting on Monday, everyone in my office will be using it. :-)
Brought to you by the creators of Angry Birds XD lol
That's actually really impressive, imagine the possibilities!
2:30 Happy End toilet paper? Who said the Germans don't have a sense of humour ?
They also have a brand of toilet paper called "Touching"!
he is so funny haha ich komm nicht klar, so coole videos von nem deutschen in englisch! ueberragend :)
think he said he was Swedish
@@carpathian677 who?
@@holetoanotheruniverse4690 the host
And then a thunderstorm came and the angrie led flashed again
Yeah, i think it has lasted until Friederike :D
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
Welp, never thaught I'd see my Hometown on YT
The technical detail upon which the dry humour was thrown in is absolutely brilliant!
Liked! Subbed! Smashed the notification bell!
Wow really impressed how the quality and humor in this video improved, and really liked the Swiss Accent part. Great work!
I love the inserted humour. Thanks for putting this together. It really has me excited about the technology.
This is great for farming applications, or a weather station on a mountain or something. Really cool!
Greetings,
Jeff
I always look forward to your uploads. And your puppies are always a bonus :)
Couldn’t help myself, I had to like and subscribe. This was interesting and entertaining at the same time. Great job.
The ESP32 module you linked in the description mentions the SX1278 chip, this is the 137-525MHz radio, not usable for 868MHz. Look for SX1276 for the 868MHz band.
Andreas has competition ! Your voice is just as nice to hear.
More on Lora please :)
I love your videos! I just like and comment before even watching, I know they're gonna be good. Keep up the good work!
"Extended walkies" - I laughed! Thanks for the fantastic video!
Amazing video Marco! :D
Brilliant video! I love the humor as well :)
Great test in rural area.
In the company where I work, we tested LoRaWAN (not over ESP32, just industrial modules electronically built by us) and we got covered 1.5 KM in a City area (City of Buenos Aires, south area with a few building with no more than 20 meters tall). We have installed the Antenna and the gateway Kerlink in the building's terrace with 25 meters tall.
I forgot: the frequency we used to transmit is 915-928 MHz for LoRaWAN over the US Band.
Yet we don't test it in a rural zone yet, but your video is a good reference to estimate a real distance for any prospect project.
Would love something like this as a transmitter working with a 'common codebook'. Data transmitted might be tiny, but if known conditions are in place between sender and receiver then that's not a problem.
"One if by land, two if by sea", but scaled just a little.
This is amazing. I love it... I've already got ideas for this that would blow you away.... I can't wait to find one and buy it fast!!!!!!!!
Are are using LoRaWAN for real-time asset management. Its a game changer!! MatchX is a solid Gateway,
man your channel is a goldmine!
Great video ! Interesting ! A guy with a Swiss accent had already stimulated my curiosity, now this is even more challenging.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
2:35 It always makes me smile, seeing such a product being named „HappyEnd“ 😅
Amigo muito bom seu vídeo, pude observar que o sinal sofreu interferência quando atravessou as torres de transmissão de energia.
Thank You. You explain its so well I can understand!
2:32 "Happy End" toilet paper. Lol! Never seen that before.
One top rail of a chain link fence is surprisingly sturdy for 20 ft. I use one in KS winds for a 3x5 flagpole and the only support it at 7 ft.
Great video! And greets from Celle :)
Another great video, thanks!
+Marco Reps Should meet +GreatScott
and MickMake czcams.com/video/gLteUR50_Qg/video.html ;-D
Ilan Messing yos plz!
Using LoRaWAN! They both live about 20km from each other
GreatScott is pretty much Arduino trash.
@@DrPepe666G but it's still good trash.
So funny! Thank you for the information. I had no idea this existed.
excellent video.... thank you for sharing.
Amazing. I love your sense of humor ☺️🤣
Thank you, that was a very nice video. Do you know when the MatchX Sensor would go on sale
This is one of the BEST videos on youtube. Thank you so much for making me laugh.
Awesome demo.
Omg I have been trying to tell people about this idea for years!! I want to buy one now..
Great video as always
i havent enjoyed a tech video like this in a while ;)
3:25 absolutely :P and I had exactly that router as a kid! That said, my only connected computer was ethernet wire length away. I'm sure I would cry if I had to use G at ~2mbps again.
Next time, try steel electrical conduit. It's stronger and you can screw pieces together firmly (as long as europe works the same way as the US and you can get this feature) and you can also use guy wires (steel cable).
aluminium tube on the roof... what about lightning ? :)
Yeh, I'm already looking for old military masts on eBay, they are usually reinforced plastic
Hol dir mal lieber einen Glasfasermast beim nächsten Amateurfunkflohmarkt!
Ich habe es schon seit Jahren auf dem Schirm, dass sowas existiert, aber noch nie geschafft, hinzugehen :|
I highly advise against a non conductive mast. Make it conductive and highly grounded. Otherwise lightning will burn your cables like a fuse guaranteeing it's burned
WInd surfing masts might be a cheap option for testing
Fantastic! Really amazing!
I'm glad that when you were walking around in the dusk you didn't stub your toe on any wild capacitors.
Love your humor, and it makes my MBD brain remember what you talk about.😅👍
OMG BRO YOU ARE AWESOME!! THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KINDNESS AND WISDOM --- I LOVE THIS!!! THANKS!!! I AM THINKING HELIUM BALLOON.....WEATHER BALLOON....OH BOY!!!!
very impressive
Wooowww thanks for this MatchX what a MASSIVE range... I didn't even know was possible... I'm very impressed just woowww!!
Square tubing may be stronger but my best suggestion would be to tie the top of the tube to at least 3 or 4 points to the ground, that should stop the top from moving.
Cool dogs hahaha... IOT POWAAAAAHHHH
ElectricBike look who's here :)
has nothing to do with lora or iot. this is the nature of rf transmission implemented in low bandwidth applications/scenario. the laws of physics that outline what can and cant be done have not changed. use whatever you want for your needs. welcome to the 1970's sir.
range is very dependent on bandwidth
thats how they achieving this range :)
support cables in threes (or more) at midpoint(s) as well at the top would greatly increase the stability and could enable a greater height and/or smaller tubing.
ElectricBiknffffffj. V e
Nice video, what type of range did you get for urban areas ?
Very interesting experiment..
You can base64 encode straight from the terminal my friend. Nice vids!
This might be a useful system for nearby conflict avoidance in aviation. Planes within range of each other would appear on the same network, effectively providing impromptu proximity data, and the low bandwidth could be used to pass simple altitutde and GPS positioning data. Like a backup ADSB system.
My understanding is that Mode-S/ADS-B is MUCH higher power than LoRa is both able and allowed to be used at (by consumers), which allows for the same range as LoRa or more. I’ve gotten ADS-B contacts from around 100 miles away with my cheap SDR and its adjustable dipole antenna
Very excellent information
2:34 Never seen "Happy End" toilet paper. Can you review it please? I might buy some in the near future.
There is no more toilet paper available in Germany. 😅
Thank you for the great video. I like your accent and the humor. Do you think that the device could make a connection from a concrete celler with tubes to the third floor? Thank you.
Your scattered in dry humor makes this video gold.
If that is a German humor, I'm pretty happy to have been learning German for some time now. And Kudos for the informativeness!
I’d like to implement this in my UAVs
Pretty cool. I'm wondering what is the effect of data rates getting further from the gateway
According to the Wiki it have between 0.3 and 50kBit/s/channel. So... it seams like the answer to that would be yes.
It seams like it uses a Ultra narrow band CDMA.. I would guess the 1Mbit/s rating is for all the channels
matsv201 Narrow band, yes. CDMA, no. It's a chirped spread spectrum. Watch the 33C3 "Decoding the LoRa PHY" video.
Control servo motors several miles away. This would be useful for radio controlled drones and aircraft to get long range. Although not enough bandwidth for FPV video.
Was machst du eigentlich beruflich?
Nett, einer der besten CZcamsr wohnt in meiner Region :D Grüße aus Wolfsburg.
danke, danke :) Grüße aus irgendeinem Kuhdorf.
Ütze ist ja auch echt mal ein lustiger Name. Aber OK, wahrscheinlich nicht der reale Ort...
In der Nähe von Uetze gibt es noch Krätze und Otze, das Kaff mit den meisten 'modifizierten' Ortsschildern überhaupt ... Da möchte man ja auch nicht wohnen ... :)
Marco Reps mach dir nix draus Marco. Hier in Sachsen wo ich wohne gibt es in der Nähe das schöne Örtchen „Oberhäslich“. Da will man auch nicht wohnen. Das mit dem Lora hatte ich beim Andreas auch schon gesehen. Ich denke sobald die Technologie so günstig und einfach zu programmieren ist wie ein esp8266 wird das wohl das Mittel der Wahl sein für jegliche Sensoren die auf Batterie oder Solar laufen. Mach weiter so. Ich mag deine Videos (und habe mir neulich sogar ein altes Keithley 199 zugelegt, aber noch nicht ausprobiert)
Grüße aus Meißen
Michael
Grüße aus Celle (das ist in der Nähe von Otze) 😉
Reminds by the looks about the Ubiquiti airMAX Rocket. And the PoE brick looks identical
I am really impressed
Nice video and nice product. 👍🤠
Awesome video !!!!!
Simply amazing
Thx for the video...we think on using LoRa as the last Master Communication -Node in our nRF24Mesh. we managed to "mesh" several esp8266 with rf24...LoRaWan can finally broadCast this into the cloud...mmh here i´m swimming still...you show this GateWay...nice..but then again i will need a wlan router (hotSpot) ..our setup is planned to get used in areas without wlan and stuff..so it seem..if no router (e.g) is available i will need a GSM module trans-mitter...mmh..my learning curve on this need a booster..will read more on this "edge"..
you even have sats using LoRa now.
the tinyGS projects uses ESP32s with LoRa chips and small antennas to receive signals from a few 100km in the sky
I believe some company has set up a lorawan gateway here. Saves me some money
< offtopic > Going to need you to make more videos. I've just binge watched all of yours. < /offtopic >
Lol "Happy End" is a hilarious name for toilet paper!
How can anyone worry about communicating when they have no way of wiping their arse?😂
I worked more than 1 years ago on lora tech. it’s just usable for iot
Cool video, keep it up, thanks :)
Oh ich bin Funkamateur und ich habe NICHT über dein Antennensetup gelacht, ich weiss nur zu gut wie es ist wenn man was unbedingt probieren möchte, danke für das tolle Video, Grüße aus Baden-Baden
this is awesome we could build our own wireless internet network
3:48 5:18 Cool dogs. Are they West Highland Terriers? I'd be very interested in a long range dog tracker.
You could use this to make real life Weasley Family clock.
Hi, may I know what kind of GPS chipset / module used on video? Thank you.
Show. Eu utilizo em monitoramento de estações metereologicas.
I haven’t finished the video yet. Some quick googling leads me to believe LoRaWAN’s speed ranges from 300 bits per second to tens of kilobits per seconds, depending on configuration and distance.
This limits it to mostly short binary and text data, and of course you will need to include some overhead for error correction. So at shorter distances, you could maybe send low quality voice messages, and at longer distances you would be limited to text. But it would also be sipping power, so unlike higher speed connections like 4G and such, you could run it with some small batteries and maybe solar panels. And then you could stick it in a tree yourself instead of having to build a cell tower and power lines.
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At the worst case speeds mentioned above, it would take about 20 seconds to transmit all the text above the dashes. At higher speeds it quickly would become negligible for 99% of short text messages.
so how far does it go? I was hoping you to take the car to check :D
from HAM radio, if you want a quick/light mast just buy a cheap telescopic fibreglass fishing pole (get one a couple of metre longer than you want as you throw away the two thinnest sections as they are too thin/flexible). You can sometimes get them reduced as end of line in the German discount grocers.
+Marco Reps what was the GPS module you/they used? Looked tiny.
I am trying to find something like this for a software engineering class project to create a requirements document for a low cost smart farming information system. Thank you for this video!
Yagi antennas work like sending donuts from the antenna. If you point it towards the area that you are interested in it should maybe get the 20km range
"Happy End"? What a name!
It sure is Fricking Awesome!! :D
This looks very promising, but it cant fet faster, right? Arround 3-6 Mbit would be awsome
You can receive data this way... But how you send it back without a powerful antena? RX Signal Good. Tx 0
Actually the small one is sending sensor data's to the stationary device which may have powerful antenna to collect week signals .
Its much lower frequency. Like sound waves the lower frequency can travel much further, but the downside is it can't carry an awful lot of information
Extended walkies!!
Would this be good for a diy home security system?
Yes, it seems reasonable for that application. Small, cheap sensors with long range and everlasting batteries ... I don't know about the security aspects of LoRaWAN yet, maybe it is easy to interfere or jam?
Those doing B&E likely aren't going to care much about "security" or jamming of arbitrary radio waves. =)
Well, it's not good for passing high-bandwidth traffic like video, but as a standalone intrusion alarm, it seems to be very well poised to be exactly that.
There is only enough bandwidth for intrusion sensor (on-off dry contact, such as door opening), there would not be enough bandwidth for security camera video feed.
get to the nearest cell tower and hide one of these in there
Yeah lol
It would be interesting if we made our own little cell tower with our own sim
Can LORA be used for controlling a wireless RC car?
Is it a reliable option for sending the control signals?
Interesting. I have been wondering about something like that being available pre made. I'll have to keep an eye on it. Very interesting. Do you think it would work with external antennas like omnidirectional/panel antennas? Lol may be possible to use a yagi on a rotator that would track the unit based off the GPS coordinates it provides! If one could make it accurate enough, they could maybe get away with a parabolic antenna. Maybe it would work better if the tracking was based off Elevation and Long/Lat. I guess it depends on how quickly/often you could send and receive the data in a usable form to keep up. If the aim was off, the signal would drop when using the distance you get with that kind of long range, narrow beam antenna. A nice little yagi may be better for the job overall. Then again, it does have two antenna ports, so why not both?....prob a few reasons 🫥
There is no "Starter" package for sale. Only the gateway looks familiar on their site.
Why not use amateur radio type antennas which can "magnify" the rf output up to 10dB (100 x) over what looks like a dipole built in?